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Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2003, 5:47am

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chec out these cool revolutions posters http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/
Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2003, 6:18am

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screw the poster go watch the trailer


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Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2003, 12:10pm

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Posters are nice.

Trailer is silly.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2003, 2:10pm

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Tarn is right.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2003, 2:39pm

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I must admit the trailer is pretty bad... After the inept movie that was number 2, it REALLY doesn't bode well for number 3... I sure as hell won't spend ten bucks on that dud. I am still pissed over the money I wasted on number 2. Matrix is getting almost as disappointing as the new Star Wars...
Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2003, 2:50pm

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I'd say the new Matrix films are far worse than the new Star Wars films. They both suffer from poor dialogue and pacing, but at least the Star Wars films are brilliant from a technical standpoint.

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Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2003, 3:21pm

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Rating: -1

Tarn is right AGAIN.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2003, 4:09pm

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(head down) I have to admit that i'm a fan of the matrix films for a number of reasons...

1) Are we forgetting what the matrix is all about (no not a hollywood money making scandal), It was and still is a breath of fresh air to those of us who can still remember the action films of the 80's and early 90's where the likes of schwarzeneger and stalone paraded around half naked blowing S**T up with big guns. Ok I admit there can never be enough stuff blown up in a film but the formula was getting stagnant and ultimately boring as hell. Then, in the late 90's came a film, a film with zero hype, a film with a small budget and a reasonably inexperienced crew... This film CHANGED the way we perceive cinema and you have to give credit where credit is due.

2) OK the films aren't perfect, they have numerous flaws, such as the totaly lame CGI character animation and the fact they tried to interlace the story between the film and the video game but who gives a damn we should be encouraging people to experiment with conceptual ideas not ridicule them when things go wrong... and I personaly admire the matrix team for attempting something new in the face of those who would otherwise see them fail.

3) Its about time that some japanese influence has been bought to hollywood (watch "Ghost in the Shell" you'll see what I mean)... Now I dont have a problem with watching subtitled movies which is why my DVD collection is cramed with over 70 international films from directors such as Fellini, Takeshi, De Sica and many more and its true that most of the worlds greatest films are foreign by origin. So why is it that hollywood still insists on turning out the same old crap when there's a wealth of foreign influence out there... Well thanks to the matrix japanese style has found a place in hollywood and all I can say is well done Matrix team.


Finally... Before anyone attempts to tell me there are foreign influenses in hollywood think when the last time you saw a film based on...

-Iranian Cinema
-BollyWood Cinema
-Taiwan Cinema
-French Cinema
etc...

(Must have been made in Hollywood)


So all in all I happen to think the Matrix films whilst not being the most technically sound films ever made and are probably not going to win any oscars on the scriptwriting front are an example to all young film makers to make films not only based on convention but to explore new ideas.


...Oh the posters are cool smile




P.S: The greatest CGI Ever has to be in The Lord of The Rings

P.P.S: The new Star Wars films Suck Ass!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2003, 4:50pm

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The Matrix films don't explore any new ideas, though. They just use lots of old scifi and Japanese ideas. The first film uses them very well, creating a highly entertaining mix. The second film was just a pretty lame film, though.

Most of the things you wrote about do indeed apply to the first film. It was nice to get something a little different - but that was more to do with the very, very poor level of action movies in the 90s than The Matrix itself (although the 90s started well, with T2, Batman Returns and Total Recall it soon became utterly rubbish, with only Starship Troopers and Blade springing to mind as being any good until the Matrix). But Reloaded was just a bloated, pretentious mess.

Also, foreign cinema has just as much rubbish as Hollywood does. It's just that it gets filtered out before we even know it exists. Just as loads of Hollywood films don't even reach the UK. It's a misconception that all French cinema is arty nonsense, just beacuse that's all that ever seems to get exported.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2003, 6:04pm

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greatest cgi ever in lord of the rings? hardly.

I dunno. the more I think about it, the more I realize how much the Matrix wasn't that original and instead just ripped a lot off.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2003, 6:15pm

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To my mind, Attack of the Clones has the best CGI ever. The film in general is several years ahead of what anybody else can do, just as Phantom Menace was back in '99.

However, I'd say that Fellowship of the Ring is the most successful use of effects I've ever seen. In that you don't really notice them, and the serve the story perfectly.

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Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2003, 6:19pm

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I'm thinking that Matrix 3 will be good, and the reason 2 was bad was it was just a plugin from one to 3.

We'll see.

greatest cgi ever? Finding Nemo!
Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2003, 8:29pm

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Tarn wrote:


Also, foreign cinema has just as much rubbish as Hollywood does. It's just that it gets filtered out before we even know it exists. Just as loads of Hollywood films don't even reach the UK. It's a misconception that all French cinema is arty nonsense, just beacuse that's all that ever seems to get exported.
You see I never said all French Cinema is arty nonsense, I meant that you can go else where in the world if you want a change from the usual hollywood pap... but the problem you have there is you are likely to encounter subtitles which for some people IS a problem. So I think hollywood should bring together foreign influences... like they did with The Matrix and The Ring (whether these are good examples who knows smile) and bring a bit of culture to those who would normaly avoid it.

Oh, and as for French Cinema have you ever seen "La Hain" or "Irreversable" - Arty Nonsense... I think Not wink

P.S: Japanese Cinema Rules!!!!!!!!

P.P.S: Star Wars Ep 1&2 still Suck Ass

P.P.P.S: Finding Nemo's Cool - "Rock On Pixar"
Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2003, 8:37pm

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Ichi The Killer wrote:


You see I never said all French Cinema is arty nonsense
Indeed you didn't. Sorry, didn't mean to imply that. I was more musing on the subject in a general sense. smile

Ichi The Killer wrote:


P.S: Japanese Cinema Rules!!!!!!!!
Haven't seen much of it. Haven't been overly keen on what I have seen, although I do find it very, very interesting.

Ichi The Killer wrote:


P.P.P.S: Finding Nemo's Cool - "Rock On Pixar"
Can't wait to see that. biggrin
Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2003, 8:39pm

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They both suffer from poor dialogue and pacing, but at least the Star Wars films are brilliant from a technical standpoint.
The Matrix 2 and 3 don't have any technical brilliance? That's a load of crap!
Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2003, 8:55pm

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The first Matrix, while it ripped off a lot of other stories, had the merit of being visually impressive, had a decent enough story and created an intriguing universe. Matrix 2 on the other hand felt to me like "Oh my God! We all got stinkin' rich out of this! Let's quickly throw something together so we milk all these suckers for all they're worth!" kinda of deal Holywood always pulls when they make lots of dough (witness the new Star Wars which for all their technical brilliance - I agree with Tarn on that point - it is so brilliant it feels more like an ILM demo reel than a movie!). I sat through AMtrix Reloaded bored out of my skull because it was only more of the same, nothing original, none of the magic of the first one. They made you care about the characters in the first one. In 2, they kill entire shipful and you are still yawning! It was a boring, pretentious, bloated film. Sorry but they won't see me for number 3. It seems even worse if that's possible. And it's a shame because they wasted a very good concept as far as I am concerned.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Oct 2003, 11:53pm

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sidewinder wrote:

They both suffer from poor dialogue and pacing, but at least the Star Wars films are brilliant from a technical standpoint.
The Matrix 2 and 3 don't have any technical brilliance? That's a load of crap!
I didn't say that. smile

They certainly do have moments of utter brilliance. The first film in particular is superb. However, the huge over-reliance on CGI in Reloaded - particularly sub-standard CG doubles - hurt the film from a technical standpoint.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2003, 2:30pm

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tarn what u on about. no technicall brilliance. (HOLDS HEAD IN HANDS) M8 lol no no no no. Matrix 2 was sweet. I loved it. It evolved on something that i felt was very hard to evolve on. It used CGI cinimeatograpy in a sweet way, and the effects were sweet.

Now im gonna have to step in here and say WHAT U TALKING ABOUT when u say attack of the clones has the best cgi. YOU MUST BE MISTAKEN if were talking about exelance in the cgi department. its gotta be the final fantasy seires lol spirits within supparses anything graphicily! shame it sucked as a film. But thats cgi for ya. I do believe that attack has some nice ideas, but to me wasnt as realistic as the square enix guys!

And luckyly my friends you are inluck, i have found out that they are making another film, its a squel from final fantasy 7 to which ive heard will only be realsed on dvd one link is 49mb the othwer is a zip for 29mb i think the 49mb has better quality but shows the same stuff really, shame about sound sad

http://www.gamerclans.com/main/modules/med...misc/ff7-ac.zip

http://www.fok-j.com/ff7ac01.mpg
Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2003, 2:53pm

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EP2 - Obi Wan vs Jango Fett fight - nearly all CG, including Obi Wan = best digital double ever by far.

Matrix Reloaded = too much of a bad thing...
Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2003, 5:08pm

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Holy Crap, a FFVII movie!
Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2003, 5:28pm

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lol schawr

SPRITS WITHIN -ALL CGI lol

yeappers there is indeed, a final fantasy film supposedly its only comming out on dvd, the footage was at the tokoy game show, but hasnt been offically realsed so were pretty lucky to see it!
Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2003, 5:31pm

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Are you sure that's not the game they're showing? There is a sequel coming out for the PSP supposedly.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2003, 6:20pm

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i am sure, its been said. its a movie that there realising not a game. people said it might be a squeal to the game, but that was untrue. its a movie! gotta be for sure, and when it says at the start a game not for playing, kinda helps the fact if u know what i mean.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2003, 7:41pm

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Or are they doing both?

It could be very likely that they are releasing the movie in tandem with the game for the PSP. (playstaion portable)
Posted: Fri, 3rd Oct 2003, 7:49pm

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PSP...is vaporware as far as im concerned...by the time it comes out the next-gen Gameboy will be out....and the PSP will go the way of the NeoGeo Pocket, Wonderswan, NoMaD, GameGear, Lynx, and very soon the crappy N-Gage...Gameboy has stood the test of time...and it will continue to do well....FFVII would be cool though...

Canta unsure
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and as we have said before, good effects don't make a good movie..
Posted: Sun, 5th Oct 2003, 1:39pm

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i could be really rude there, but im not going to. cos im not like that!

Yea that is true it doesnt. but the matrix reloaded, had something of a style that most american movies that tried to pull off, *especially matrix influenced films* Couldnt!

I mean who has done a hundred agent smiths fighting one guy, and pulled it off so convincingly? you have to give it to them. In a world of copies and i mean COPIES, it came out orginal again.

If you look at ur films, there maybe an iconic standard of the matrix within it. Look at sidwinders fool x and his double which was very well done. That could be seen as iconic matrix, u know and maybe was i dont know really. Dont hate, apprecitate!
Posted: Sun, 5th Oct 2003, 4:42pm

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Why does everyone hate the new Star Wars movies so much? I thought the story was weak at times but the fx were amazing. To be completely honest I'm mostly a fan of star wars because of lightsaber duels, and you must admit it's impressive when they fight because it isn't all cgi and fake crap with cgi doubles doing all the stunts. Props to the Star Wars movies lol wink.
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 12:28pm

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Fudge...now you got me started!!!

Okay, the first Matrix I was okay with. I saw it back in Junior High. It's my second year in college and now the last 2 Matrix films are comming out. With that in mind, lets see where Hollywood took a turn for the worse:

-The first Matrix movie was a hit. It broke new ground reguarding f/x. Every movie after the matrix used references and ripped-off scenes. The film itself took things from the bible and made them they're own (which I thought was a nice touch). When they mention Zion, I was thinking of a huge underground hotel with old buildings such as convienent stores and such...more on the lines of Mad Max style....but I guess we were treated with a high/low/how the hell can they survive techno tribe. With all that machinery they have down there, you'd expect they'd have at least a tailor here and there for cloths that actually cover the body (not that I had a problem with the half naked ladies....it just got a little rediculous). Bullet Time....the famous special effect. The one effect that required a dozen cameras to accomplish.....wait, whats this?? They didnt use "true" bullet time in matrix 2??? CGI??!!!!! Give me a break. The last thing I wanted to see was video game Neo battling video game Smith. I could understand when they needed CGI for the clones...but Neo looked like friggin' rubber man while fighting!! What were they thinking?? "Oh look, the first matrix movie made a ton of money!! Lets hurry up and make sequals! Let's cash in on this, making the fans buy the video games and cartoons so they can actually get a "sense" of what the Matrix REALLY is!!!" I'll tell you what the "Matrix" is....it was a good movie, but of course they taint it by selling out and not spending enough time making it look good. I wouldn't be a bit suprised if in the next Matrix movie that Agent Smith turns out to be Neo's father....Morpheus ends up with Neo's babe......and they never actually destroy the "matrix" program casue they're actually living in one......There, can I have a million bucks Hollywood???
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 12:45pm

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Personally I really liked Reloaded. redface Why do you guys hate it! hehe, I guess like most things, this is just a matter of personal opinion. I, for one, will be going to Revolutions on Premiere night, and I'm sure I won't be let down.
Posted: Sun, 12th Oct 2003, 4:44pm

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orion0340 wrote:

Personally I really liked Reloaded. redface Why do you guys hate it! hehe, I guess like most things, this is just a matter of personal opinion. I, for one, will be going to Revolutions on Premiere night, and I'm sure I won't be let down.
We also really liked the Matrix Reloaded. Sure a few of the shots were kind of pointless but we thought it was great.
I think that it was made how the Wachowski bros wanted it to be made. Also, if you really wanted to defend some of the not so great CG than you could argue the fact that they are in a computer program and computers still have glitches. Maybe it wasn't meant to be perfect. smile

We actually went to see Reloaded at the Imax and plan to go see Revolutions on the Imax it's premier day.
Just our $0.02 worth.