Kill Bill is my God.
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 3:10am
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For those who have reservations about going to see Kill Bill, let me put those to rest now. See it.
When you first see "Revenge is a dish best served cold. - An Old Klingon Provberb" on the screen, you know its going to be awesome (to my recollection, the above stated lline was written by a man named Shakespeare, prove me wrong, please). At the end, when you see ***SPOILER*** Lucy Liu's head get scalped you know you just saw an awesome movie.
Granted, its not as good as Pulp Ficiton (it comes dangerously close, though), but if every film was as good as that, we wouldn't have many good films any more (reason being is that the bar would be too high for anyone to surpass).
To sum things up: this is by far one of the best movies in the 00's so far, and we still have another 6 years or so to go.
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 5:08am
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grr, it doesn't release till tomorrow here. . . . .
it definitely looks to be a fun show, though
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 11:36am
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This is THE movie i've been looking forward to all year. It must be really damn gory if its an actual R rating here (as apposed to 18A where people under 18 are still able to see it)
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 11:39am
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Not as good as Pulp Fiction? GAH! - I was hoping I would actually like Kill Bill - I spose I'll give it a try.
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 11:48am
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schwar wrote:Not as good as Pulp Fiction? GAH! - I was hoping I would actually like Kill Bill - I spose I'll give it a try.
I get the feeling it's going to be somewhat different than Pulp Fiction.
If the only thing I compare it to is Pulp Fiction I'll be very let down by the film - hopefully I'll be able to compare it to the other action movies that have come out recently.
Tarantino's movies all have crime as a central theme and they are all recognisably Tarantino movies, but people don't alway notice quite how different they all are in tone and style.
Reservoir Dogs - relatively straightforward crime/heist thriller, with some very nice acting. Pretty down-to-earth.
Pulp Fiction - entertaining blend of unlikely pulp crime stories, mixed with some very nice acting. Most stylised and heightened of the lot. Just good fun, if ya like that kinda thing.
From Dusk Till Dawn - standard cheesy horror gore movie. Couldn't be more different.
Jackie Brown - typical Elmore Leonard affair (ie, twisty turny plot that's a bit too fiddly for it's own good) with some very nice acting. More relaxed and laid back than the previous two, which is probably why lots of people dislike it.
I'm hoping Kill Bill will be something entirely different again...it looks to be more of a fun action movie, with a blend of Western/kung fu/anime and a bunch of other things.
One thing I'll be interested to see is the action, which Tarantino has never really done before...
Meanwhile, I'll go back to avoiding spoilers...
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 12:07pm
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schwar wrote:Not as good as Pulp Fiction? GAH! - I was hoping I would actually like Kill Bill - I spose I'll give it a try.
Are you saying you didn't like Pulp Fiction? That statment is pretty vague.
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 12:10pm
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Its ok, but nothing very special imo. But I'm not a Tarantino fan, not been overly impressed with any of his films that I've seen although I still haven't seen the whole of Reservoir Dogs...
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 6:18pm
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Sweet, I remember alerting this board to the trailer back in January of this year and i've been waiting for this gem ever since then !!! It's out today here in LA but I wont be seeing it untill tomorrow so i'm going to see 'House of the Dead' just to fill the time.......
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 6:27pm
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I don't know why McMurphy decided to compare it to Pulp Fiction, other than the fact that they're both Tarantino. He does that sometimes. I can't wait to see it, might go this weekend.
Vega, there are plenty other movies to waste your time on than House of the dead. I'm sorry, but that looks SO AWFUL. The only reason I'd be slightly interested in it are the action scenes, which only look average.
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 7:09pm
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Pulp Fiction is one of the most brilliante films i've ever seen.
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 7:52pm
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Pulp fiction is a pretty good movie.
Memento . . . . now that's an amazing movie.
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 8:56pm
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The Drunken Master is likely a better martial arts movie than Kill Bill.
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 9:05pm
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I'm with Mecha, Pulp Fiction isn't a bad movie at all, but it hardly compares to films like Memento imo.
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 9:17pm
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The thing about Pulp Fiction that really stands out is the way it's made. It's just really stylised, and such. Same with Kill Bill no doubt. I hardly think it'll be nominated for best picture, but it'll be cool to watch.
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 9:34pm
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mecha - memento was good. pulp fiction was good. yeah.
sidey - which one? Drunken Master was pretty hokey. somehow it they were actually able to make a Drunken Master 2, which was rockin' good fun. the fights in that were incredible. Drunken Master 2 is actually what most people in America know as Legend of Drunken Master.
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 9:49pm
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He is prolly talking about Drunken Master 2...cuz 1 was extremely corny...almost as bad as The Tuxedo...Drunken Master 2 is prolly the best Martial Arts movie ever made... Iron Monkey is good too...and Tarantino is also responsible for bring that movie state side...
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 9:59pm
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Actually, I was referring to 1, but looks like I need to see 2.
The problem with giving films credit for being stylized is the fact that style doesn't tell a story. If I go out and think of something that hasn't been done before, and put it in a movie, it doesn't make that movie good. If you've ever seen the movie Pi, that's a good example of FUNCTIONAL style, because it played with the picture in ways that reminded you of those old photos from the 1920s, as well as making blood and facial expressions more apparent, with a combination of lighting and filters.
Actually, Pi is a pretty good movie to add to the list of good movies.
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 10:48pm
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I´ve never been a Tarantino fan. I don´t really like one single of his films (From Dusk Till Dawn is Rodriguez Project, I do like that very much) and so I have little hope I´m going to like this one.
Maybe I´ll see it on DVD when it comes out, ya never know...
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 11:12pm
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Well, i just came back from Kill Bill. Before my opinion a few things.
It's rated R...and not the R where if you're with someone over 18, u can go, but the hard R where you cant see it if you're under 18, no matter what. Equivalent to I believe NC-17 in the states. Since it's rated R, if i have a chance of seeing it, it's not at the theatre i work at as i risk getting fired, so i got to another theatre not too far away. There, we get in supereasy without even a glance, and guess what, the showtime we went happened to be in IMAX!!!!! I f****** saw Kill Bill in f******* IMAX! (for the uninformed, imax is a screen 3 times as big and sound 50 times as good.)
now, as for the movie. its undoubtly, unbelievably, undeniable the best f-ing movie of 2003 (i doubt revolutions or return of the king will be better in enjoyment, action, camera work, music and directing). i love this movie. you can add it to my favorite top 5. infact, i'm going to go and update my profile with this as my fav movie of the moment. GO SEE KILL BILL NOW!
anyway, sidey. the first drunken master was one of the worst martial arts films i've seen and it was trying too hard to be cheesy that it turned out to be utter crap. I laughed my ass off because of they crappyness. intended or not, it was bad. drunken master 2 (ie, legend of) was much better and ranks up there with the best martial arts films and pretty much my fav along with operation condor (the nazi gold one).
Oh, and Tarantino has jumped a few spots and is now my favorite director, but still far under Sir Steven Speilberg.
And as for the ending of Kill Bill...this is the return of a true cliffhanger.
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 11:51pm
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I went and saw the first showing at my local film theatre...Now this movie fucking rocks. It just does. It rocks...Now it may not be the best movie ever made, but it's not trying to be. But I must say...This was the best movie experience I have ever had. I feel like paying the 6 dollars..I feel like they got ripped off because after seeing it I would of payed a lot more! Now, enough of the cheesy lines or whatever...
This movie is simply a cinema experience I will never ever forget.....
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 11:56pm
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*sorta spoiler*...not really
The VILLAGE VOICE last week declared MIRAMAX/DISNEY's KILL BILL "The Most Violent American Movie Ever Made," and the HOLLYWOOD REPORTER warned it "oozes, drips, flows, gushes, splatters... scalps, limbs and heads are freely removed from characters' bodies."
If you are a "girl or boy you must go and see KILL BILL and you will have a damn good time... boys will have a great time, girls will have a dose of girl power," Tarantino said this weekend in London.
When pressed about his KILL BILL recommendation for "girls and boys," Tarantino explained the film would be okay for kids starting at 12-years old.
"If you are a cool parent out there go take your kids to the movie," he told a reporter.
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA I CANT BELIEVE TARINTINO SAID WHAT HE SAID. That is hilarious...
Posted: Sat, 11th Oct 2003, 12:01am
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Yeah he was on the Jimmy Kimmel show last night piss drunk talking faster than the Micro Machines man...He gave a 5 minute speech on how 12 year olds should see his movie...and how they should buy a ticket to see "Good Boy" (one o them talking dog movies) and sneak into Kill Bill...it was hilarious....Good Times...ahhh
Posted: Sat, 11th Oct 2003, 1:31am
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Memento is.....a very nicely made film.
Much like Nolan's other work, Following and Insomnia - it's superbly well-made. Perfect filmmaking.
However, I have absolutely no intention of watching any of them again. They're technically and formally brilliant, but have absolutely no particular impact on me at all. That's not really a criticism of them, it's just that the subject matter either didn't connect with me (Following and Insomnia), or they were a bit too clever for their own good (Memento).
Batman...now that's where I'm really gonna see how good Nolan is.
Tarantino's films, on the other hand, I just enjoy so much I can watch them over and over again. In fact, when I watched Pulp Fiction a couple of nights ago, it seemed even funnier than I remembered. Character humour. You gotta love it.
Posted: Sat, 11th Oct 2003, 10:51am
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I saw it tonight, and I have to agree with every positive thing anyone's said about it. In fact, watching it, I didn't notice a single thing that I didn't like about it. Unfortunately, I was in a crappy audience who were laughing and making noises during inappropriate parts to do so, so that was kinda annoying, but nonetheless, seriously, Kill Bill is THE best movie I've seen in a while. I agree with cypher about revolutions probably not being as good, but I dunno about return of the king... Don't want to start a debate...
I could list a ton of reasons to see this movie, but I'll list only a few, that have also been mentioned before. The cinematography is absolutely stunning in every aspect, the directing is amazing, the acting is fabulous, the script is fantastic, and the action! HOOOOO MAYON! I went into the theater expecting it to be either a fun action flick, or a really fun action flick, and I got a REALLY f*cking fun action flick, with some seriously incredible filmmaking, some drama, some great comedy, some little throwbacks to other Tarantino films ("Square") that I know people in my audience didn't catch anyway (because they were morons...), all these things and more.
Simply put, this is the first truly amazing film I've seen all year, and you NEED to see it NOW.
And, again as cypher said, the cliffhanger is BACK BABY!!!
I can't say enough good things about it, but I'll stop now.
Posted: Sat, 11th Oct 2003, 10:56am
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Aculag, stop it, you're getting me all over-excited.
Posted: Sat, 11th Oct 2003, 11:32am
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Well I hope I like it but I have a feeling I might not for the following reasons...
1. Uma Thurman is really annoying
2. Although I like from dusk till dawn and jackie brown I don't like resevoir dogs or pulp fiction and think they're highly over rated and this may be like that
3. I like kung fu films and from the trailers it looks like tarentino is ripping off a lot of stuff which I am sure he will describe as 'paying homage'
4. Tarentino is a crappy actor and always makes an appearance and despite usually being short still crappens that bit of the film
On a sidenote, I didn't like Memento because Guy Pearce is also annoying and more importantly it bored me.
Posted: Sat, 11th Oct 2003, 11:51am
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Uma Thurman better not be anywhere near as crap and awkward as she appears in the rubbish trailers otherwise I'm gonna leave - but there is still hope.
As for Nolan... I loved Insomnia as well, but had no feeling of wanting to watch it again, until I saw my girlfriend watching it on sky, after 10 seconds I was hooked.
I've always given Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs at least 10 mins of viewing when I bumped into them on other peoples TVs and they have never convinced me its worth watching the rest of the film
As for Jackie Brown, I really hated that film in the cinema and I'm not sure I'm ready to give it another try just yet.
Posted: Sat, 11th Oct 2003, 6:09pm
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I just found a direct quote from Tarantino about Memento...
"Good movie! But there's a hole, okay? And it's this! How, okay, does he remember....his own f***in' condition?"
That is something that plagued me as I watched that movie...And this to everybody....The trailer doesn't gratify this movie at all...go see the movie it is enjoyable...
Posted: Sat, 11th Oct 2003, 7:05pm
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cantaclaro wrote:Good movie! But there's a hole, okay? And it's this! How, okay, does he remember....his own f***in' condition?"
Ya, I was bothered by that as well. But nonetheless, memento is really good. Not soemthing i'd watch anytime soon, but good to see it.
Posted: Sat, 11th Oct 2003, 9:27pm
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Kid...after you watch Kill Bill youll be kicking yourself for comparing it to his other movies....
Everything is a rip off of something...All movies are rip offs from threatre which date back to people like the greeks and romans...The romans ripped off all of greek's culture...I mean imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
So I wish people would stop bitching and just give it a chance. I went and saw Reloaded and gave it a chance. I didn't like it. But i have reasons...If you don't see a movie, theres no reason not to like it.
Posted: Sun, 12th Oct 2003, 1:35am
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Unless of course you KNOW a movie is going to suck...such as House of the Dead.
Posted: Sun, 12th Oct 2003, 1:59am
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Posted: Sun, 12th Oct 2003, 5:10am
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Eh...Kill Bill was good once the restaurant scene started - - the sword ceremony thing was too long and too quiet, and the whole crying in bed thing was done poorly, and once again, too long.
The anime thing was cool, but really abrupt.
The black and white for the fight was cool - especially since it kept it from getting the ol' NC-17 rating.
Posted: Sun, 12th Oct 2003, 5:12am
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First Impressions: 3 out of 4 stars.
I'll write more on my impression later, but let me just say that I definitely do not think this is the end-all of films. It was good, but not oh-my-god great.
Unless I have a sudden revelation, after some time this film will have faded from my mind like Titanic, Terminator 3, and Gladiator.
Posted: Sun, 12th Oct 2003, 7:33am
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I definitely don't doubt that it's the end all of movies...It's not. It's a great answer to the whole genre of action flicks...And I believe with a lot of junk in Hollywood coming out, that it was a creative and well thought out come back to all that trash. The only other thing I am looking forward to watching is Mystic River. I could be wrong though and it could be a terrible tragedy
I went and saw it again today and surprisingly the turnout was really good, almost as many as their were in the first showing of it at the local theatre...Some thoughts however....
I saw at least 4 different couples bringing in toddler aged children. What the fuck people, do not bring your little babies to an R rated movie especialyl when it's call KILL BILL...I saw about 6 people walk out of the movie (one couple walked out during the anime scenes, another during the lucy liu board meeting scene, and another during the house of blue leaves scene...)...i guess i cant blame them if it is too graphically violent, for them to sit through but the second time i watched it, i was able to stomach it a little better. The story elements made a lot more sense and i noticed a lot more things that i may find out more about in episode 2. for me it was a great watch both times, and ill definitely get the unedited dvd version of both movies together
EDIT: Where and when can I get the soundtrack? I NEED IT!
Posted: Sun, 12th Oct 2003, 7:50am
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That is the Soundtrack at Amazon...and I picked up a copy from Fry's Electronics...You should check out Barnes and Noble...they usually have every new movie soundtrack...I got the OUATIM Soundtrack from there for a pretty good price...
Posted: Sun, 12th Oct 2003, 8:57am
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I dont know how it is elsewhere but here an 18 means 18. They don't let obviously underage people in even when they are accompanied. The only one that being accompanied makes any difference for is the relatively new 12A rating. We don't have anything above 18 for films in cinemas only a special rating for porn that can only be bought in licensed sex shops.
Also it seems daft that some gory parts are in b&w to get by the censors, how does that make it less gory?!?
Posted: Sun, 12th Oct 2003, 1:15pm
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Kid wrote:Also it seems daft that some gory parts are in b&w to get by the censors, how does that make it less gory?!?
Because it isn't red.
Simple as that. Stupid, ain't it? American censors (and probably English censors too) simply don't like red blood.
That's how Lord of the Rings gets away with some gory stuff, because it's black orc blood most of the time. Similarly other sci-fi and fantasy stuff gets away with it by using green blood or what-have-you.
Red blood, however - ooh no, can't have that. So putting it in b&w means it isn't so offensive.
The Japanese have an alternate version of Kill Bill that doesn't use the b&w thing, because the Japanese censors aren't a bunch of fools.
Posted: Sun, 12th Oct 2003, 4:42pm
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Hopefully the DVD doesn't have it B&W. It made the guys in suits blend in with the background, and some of the action became tough to follow with all the close-up, movieng shots.
Posted: Sun, 12th Oct 2003, 7:08pm
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Tarn wrote:The Japanese have an alternate version of Kill Bill that doesn't use the b&w thing, because the Japanese censors aren't a bunch of fools.
Also compared to Japanese films its prolly quite tame. They like their gore.
Posted: Sun, 12th Oct 2003, 7:49pm
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The problem with Kill Bill is that is so similar to many of the movies posted on this website. What I mean is, the whole movie's plot was just a thin excuse to have a really really cool 30 minute fight scene at the end. I can just imagine Tarentino sitting at home thinking, "Gee, I really want to make a cool fight scene with lots of blood and Uma in Bruce Lee's yellow tracksuit. That'd be so friggin cool! Now...what excuse can I give her to put her in that situation? Ummm...revenge! duhrrrrr..."
Seriously, the plot is so thin and unimaginative. The whole movie really seems to be just a big piece of fluff leading up to a big action scene. Granted, there are good parts in it that are entertaining on the way to the finale. However, you can just tell the movie was made for the big fight. It doesn't make for a bad movie, but it's not a great one. And it's definitely not a good way for a movie to be made. Just my opinion.
Oh, but I would still reccommend seeing it. There are a lot of great lines and it looks beautiful. The last 30 minutes are incredible. The soundtrack by RZA was surprisingly great as well.
Posted: Sun, 12th Oct 2003, 8:44pm
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Daveeyboy wrote:the whole movie's plot was just a thin excuse to have a really really cool 30 minute fight scene at the end.....
....The last 30 minutes are incredible.
Posted: Mon, 13th Oct 2003, 2:00am
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Actually, the story is pretty good, the problem with that is that volume 1 is the action film, volume 2 is classic tarantino where everything is explained, like why Bill wanted to kill the Bride.
Posted: Mon, 13th Oct 2003, 2:18am
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How do you know what volume 2 is?
Posted: Mon, 13th Oct 2003, 2:26am
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I read the screenplay that was for the whole movie and there were lots of parts that were left out and i doubt they're cut all together.
Posted: Mon, 13th Oct 2003, 2:32am
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Yeah Cypher is right...Volume 2 has more explanation about certain parts...like how Darryl Hannah's character lost her eye...KBV2 is gonna be good....
Posted: Mon, 13th Oct 2003, 3:01am
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I liked the explanations of the characters. We only got a little of uma's but there was the anime for lucy liu's, I hope there's more stuff like that for each of them. That'd be cool.
Posted: Mon, 13th Oct 2003, 5:34pm
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I saw Kill Bill on Saturday night. I have to say that I absolutely loved it.
Yes, it is gory. Very gory. But the gore is in somewhat of a ridiculous fashion, bringing it close to the level of Peter Jackson's Dead-Alive (aka Braindead for those across the pond). I feel that a lot of it isn't necessarily meant to be taken seriously.
And as for the black and white sequence... Yes, American censors are strange. There's no other way to put it. Red blood is different than black blood, and for no apparent reason. But I didn't really mind the black and white, I thought that it added to the film, gave it a little push on the style envelope. I liked it, though it was sort of difficult to see things sometimes due to the speed at which things happened.
I especially liked the fight with the blue backlighting.. that made my day.
One question for all of you UK members... Regarding censorship, I've come to understand that the UK is generally less... prudish (for lack of a better term) with the way certain things are portrayed on screen. I could be wrong, but aren't things like nudity not as huge of a concern as they are here in the states? If that is true, then I wonder why showing nunchakus is such a concern over there? It boggles my mind.
Posted: Mon, 13th Oct 2003, 8:53pm
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Yes, awsome movie, awsome. I put this very high up on my top 13 list. I reccomend to anyone who enjoys clever, well-executed productions.
Posted: Mon, 20th Oct 2003, 12:37am
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heh, a top 13 list.
anyway, i've seen it 2 full times so far and still dont have enough (and bits and peices numerous times during shifts).