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Posted: Tue, 14th Oct 2003, 12:51pm

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Rating: +1

After a four month hiatus of actual filming (there was some RedFruit II editing in there), I have finally stepped back behind the camera to come up with, storyboard, direct and shoot this small action-comedyish short for class.

Can't really explain the story here, just watch the short flick and it's all nicely laid out there.

This was shot in 24fps with a beautiful 3-chip Panasonic Cam (the only 24p minidv to date) and edited with the standard Arsenal of Premiere 6.0 (screw the newer versions), Photoshop, AlamDV2 and my personal method of compression.

To anyone who can find the AlamDV2 effect used, 20 force points!


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Posted: Tue, 14th Oct 2003, 6:03pm

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The smoke comin out the back of the bmw when backin out the driveway.
Posted: Tue, 14th Oct 2003, 9:21pm

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I liked it. What'd you do to get that aspect ratio? Looked nice. The music worked well. I'd also guess that it's the smoke from the tailpipe. I didn't see anything else that looked like it could be.
Posted: Tue, 14th Oct 2003, 9:29pm

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Its mine aculag! BACK OFF!! MY 20 FORCE POINTS... my precious... haha, okay im done...
Posted: Tue, 14th Oct 2003, 10:15pm

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I don't care about force points. I'm just trying to figure out what it was. It was very subtle, whatever it was.
Posted: Tue, 14th Oct 2003, 10:56pm

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i agree, but it would have to be the smoke i'd think, it wouldnt blow so much in the direction that its blowing when the car is backin up, and i wouldnt think a bmw would smoke that much anyways, unless it was cold out, but he was wearing just a t-shirt... call me holmes... sherlock...
Posted: Wed, 15th Oct 2003, 12:06am

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man i wish i could afford a camera like that...how much did you get that for? ...my life would be so much better if i could just get one of those cameras...i would cut off one of my toes for one...seriously...o yeh..and the movie was pretty cool but id have to say if it wasnt for the camera quality i probly would of exited it halfway through...unsure
Posted: Wed, 15th Oct 2003, 12:08am

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Rating: +1

Look out, here comes Aculag!
Posted: Wed, 15th Oct 2003, 12:08am

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Oh jesus. Give me a break. If this was shot on a normal camera it would still be enjoyable. The fact that it was shot on the 24p is nice, and it DOES look great, but it's a good little short too, and not just because it looks good.

Haha. Nice call, sidey.
Posted: Wed, 15th Oct 2003, 12:09am

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Rating: +1

And he's got a fake deer!
Posted: Wed, 15th Oct 2003, 12:17am

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Wooo!
Posted: Wed, 15th Oct 2003, 6:08am

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The effect is the black things over the text in the end credits, right?
Posted: Wed, 15th Oct 2003, 6:40am

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The most dangerous kind of man....
Posted: Wed, 15th Oct 2003, 11:09am

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The white Flash in the first part when he is running out of the door
Posted: Wed, 15th Oct 2003, 12:11pm

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People shouldn't get caught up with 24P, it is rather pointless. Many films are recorded at 25FPS and then reduced to 24 because of the problems that 24P has with TVs and other displays.

What makes 24P footage look more cinematic on a TV is that its progressive, but that makes no difference on your monitor appart from the extra quality, but once its compressed for online download the difference better progressive and deinterlaced footage is nearly invisible.

Therefore, if you are making internet movies 24P doesn't really make that much difference and if you are making stuff for TV or DVD then 25P or 30P is actually better.

24P is only slightly useful if you're getting your DV printed to film (which always looks quite poor when projected on to a large screen), but even then, 25P is just as good for this.

Progressive is the way to go for cinematic feel (I discussed this somewhere else) - don't worry too much about 24, 25 or 30FPS.
Posted: Wed, 15th Oct 2003, 1:14pm

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It's bothering me that no one's really commenting on this film itself, but rather trying to guess what the effect is. That's kinda rude.
Posted: Wed, 15th Oct 2003, 3:35pm

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Thanks for the uh...lack of comments on the film. unsure

schwar: i dont care that much about the 24fps thing, it just looks nicer because its not the average 30 that we're used to. I'm in Canada, so our cams record at 29.97, not 25. But what I really like about the camera is that it has a pretty wide lens and manual zoom and focus. I love that.
Posted: Wed, 15th Oct 2003, 3:40pm

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The film deserves some more precise comments. The editing was obviously the stand-out element here, timed very nicely to the music - and often in unexpected ways. The paper-dropping bit in particular I liked. Nice shots, good editing, good music choice - entertaining and snappy to watch.
Posted: Wed, 15th Oct 2003, 8:16pm

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Rating: +1

Cypher, i think i figured out what you alamdv effect might be...now usually when you start you car in the driveway not much comes out of your exhaust but in your film it does wink maybe that's not it but that's all I can think of.
Posted: Wed, 15th Oct 2003, 8:32pm

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i would have to agree with the editing, was that zooming real? or a digi zoom? It was WELL DONE either way..GREAT flick
Posted: Wed, 15th Oct 2003, 10:49pm

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Thanks Tarn, Andrew. Most of the music was inspired by what was in Kill Bill biggrin

Now to answer some questions: no, the effect used is not the exhaust coming out the back of the car. It actually was very cold, me and the other guy I was shooting with were in our jackets and the actor was wearing 3 layers of t-shirts to keep warm. The coloring isn't as cold as i made it, but it was pretty chilly.

aculag: I changed the aspect to 2.35:1 in post, but in kept in mind that i wanted a wide angle when filming so i framed accordingly.

Andrew: like i said, the camera has manual zoom, so i manually zoomed in on all shots. i dont believe i have any artificial zooms in there.

More comments appreciated.
Posted: Wed, 15th Oct 2003, 10:53pm

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The editing was very nice...Just the framing, the overall feel...The elemental aspects of the short (can't think of the right word) Lighting was good, it flowed very well. Every different aspect fit very well together. But the best part was definitely the music smilesmile Heheh, good work man. Keep it up.
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 4:40am

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Sorry, but I'm not seeing what's so great about this movie. The editing was normal...average. I didn't care much for the shaky camera at times. The "plot" was rather unimaginative and predictable.

Sorry about the 1 star rating, meant to be 2 stars. 1 star for the nice zoom on a few parts...the bmw shift comes to mind, and 1 star for the soundtrack integration. So why does this movie deserve 4 stars again?
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 9:31am

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Because it is a solid short film.

Contrary to popular opinion, short films don't always require a fiendishly complex plot (neither do feature films, but that's a debate for another place). Many short films revolve around a simple idea, as did this.

Based off a simple idea we had an entertaining dash to meet the deadline, competently filmed and edited to a well-chosen music score. Editing isn't about showing off, it's about making the right decisions so that it just works.

I felt the film understood the limits and benefits of the short film, and worked a fun piece around them.
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 10:20am

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Yeah, I agree as Tarn said, one of the best short films I seen is "the long and short of it" by the LOTR guy. It dosent really have a plot, just a purpose.

Well, I think this one is great Cypher, it got a nice feeling, everything works togheter, You should have thought of a tripod in some scenes, but the tripod isnt your best friend really. good work
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 3:32pm

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Thanks Tarn, I appreciate it. My ultimate goal when doing ANY type of film is to have fun and make an entertaining product. It's entertainment, nothing more, nothing less really.

Most of the camera work was actually on a tripod with only a few handheld shots in there for efficiency and one or two steadycam shots cuz I like them.

malone: it'd be cool if you could change daveeyboy's vote to what he said he would have given (or get rid of the vote and he can revote).

But in any case, one can never make anything that will appeal to everyone.
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 4:21pm

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wow.

probably the most solid production I've seen on this site. The quality is consistent through out. The editing is luverberly (It's not a real word, deal with it) as are the shots. You kept a feeling of pace going.

well done. An entertaining short and one I won't hesitate to sit through again.

4.

Good work.
Cheers.
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 5:01pm

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It was indeed entertaining, although I think the camera work could've been better in places, it did give a feel or urgency to the piece.

It had great qualities for a short: tight, concise and straight to the point.

The Alam FX is in the credits. And it's a pretty interesting design, I must say. Cool idea! Makes credits less boring!
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 5:27pm

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I liked it, but I think very high 3stars is good.

I especially liked the teacher's expression where he's about to point at the board. It's like a, "you dumbass" kind of look! smile

ok. I'm desperate for some points, so...

1) Was an Alam "negative" filter used over the footage at the very beginning when overlooking the printer?

2) From 43secs to 45secs there's something weird above the boot of the car in the driveway. What is that white blob 1metre up?

Oh...wait a minute.. It's a basketball hoop!

Adam.
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 7:44pm

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4 stars you did a great job...and wow all those Alamdv effects the explosions and everything are amazing.. wink heh anyways loved the editing work and with the music the whole plot went smoothly entertaining me every second. Well done.
Posted: Fri, 17th Oct 2003, 1:07am

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Solidly made, but it doesn't bring up any emotion in me. It's like a professional car commercial. Good looking, but nothing is really gained from it, and there isn't much reason to watch it again and again.

But I commend you for the professional look.
Posted: Fri, 17th Oct 2003, 1:15am

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Fight: great to hear that even though this was only 2 and a half minutes, it is a solid production. If at least one person says it's enough to watch again, then I say that I have succeeding in making an entertaining film.

John Carter: Well see, i shot MOST of this, not all, so that's why the camera work wasn't the greatest in places biggrin (ie, that shot where he runs the corner and the cam tilts up for no reason). Yes, its in the credits...but what is the effect?

adamlightandmagic: the printer shot has no alamdv on it, rather it was created into a filmstrip and i took it into photoshop to add that beautiful glow to it and bumped up the contrast and brightness back in premier. rendering the glow took some time.

hollywoodwoody: heh, i had trouble trying to keep the explosions down biggrin

sidey: go eat a lemon wink
Posted: Fri, 17th Oct 2003, 1:20am

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I like lemons.
Posted: Fri, 17th Oct 2003, 1:31am

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But do they like you?
Posted: Fri, 17th Oct 2003, 1:46am

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Alpha Shadows on the credits? confused

Great little film. Very tight, music fit well. I liked it alot. I liked the "NYPD Blue" like camera movements.
I must say that I like this much better than the red fruit series neutral

Good work!!
Posted: Fri, 17th Oct 2003, 4:00am

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Only thing i didnt like about this movie is when he turns in the paper, the teacher does this friendly goofy bobble head looking look. Then he looks up at the board and the camera cuts back to the teacher and he has this mean lookin face on, with an elvis type lip and everything. I dont get why he was friendly and goofy lookin 1 min and then mean the next. Also at the end. The student doesnt look that shocked or upset. He almost looks like he's smiling when hes sitting down and putting his hands on his head. Just didnt look believable to me. Other than that, this film had some cool editing that was done to it.
Posted: Fri, 17th Oct 2003, 10:22pm

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Great movie, everything is so well done! The score was really good and for such a simple plot I actually had fun watching it. Good job.

P.S. Nice BMW biggrin
Posted: Fri, 17th Oct 2003, 10:59pm

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That's what makes this film better than most that throw effect after effect at the viewer. It's got a simple and fun story. Enjoyable to watch. Something to keep coming back to.
Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2003, 4:18pm

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Yeah, like everyone has said, good solid movie.

My only problem with it was the colour , the blue made it look like the white balance had been set wrong. You might have done the colour yourself though, and if thats the case I just didn't like the look of it.


Otherwise a good film
Posted: Thu, 23rd Oct 2003, 8:34am

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the film was good overall... editing and sound, the story and pacing - all good. but it wouldn't hurt that teacher to attend a few acting classes... lol.
Posted: Thu, 23rd Oct 2003, 8:56pm

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Well made. I liked the story...this makes movies fun to watch...The Story! Keep it up...good show.

Peace
Posted: Sun, 16th Nov 2003, 5:29am

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Hey everyone,

I've let time pass and collected some nice quotes from reviews and comments from you guys and posted them on the Scope-Films website.

Just visit www.scope-films.com and read the current news!

Thanks again for all the useful comments!
Posted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2005, 3:38am

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Yo dude how do you do the blue effect on your movie....(that give a cold look to the picture)...i want to do the same, but mine does not look as good....thx
Posted: Wed, 23rd Mar 2005, 5:46am

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Was it the tiny text at the end of the credits?

I loved your flick- the running back for the paper was amazing. Your selection of music was fantastic!!!
Nothing much to say- great job... and I love your website too... oh my god... I think I love you!

Please don't tell my mother, she's very anti-love... ever since she was attacked by a carebear last week she keeps snickering and wearing black cloaks around the house... I thought that was bad, until then she started calling my sister and I "Shrieky and Beastly" and things are just getting wierd. Especially since she's been in the basement for three days straight working on her "Hate Machine"...

Oh man, I'm such a looser...
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Gladius: I just messed around with the white balance. Some of it is actually overexposed and I wasn't using zebra lines to see that but it makes it look colder. It actually was cold during the shoot anyway. The actor was freezing.

Madmanmatty: I know, I'm awesome aren't I? haha Check out my other films as well, I'm always up for hearing what people thought of them.

The tiny text at the end is some ego-boosting I did for fun. It says "Hell Yeah, We Rule"

Loser or not, i got a nice chuckle out of that. haha
Posted: Wed, 7th Feb 2007, 9:38pm

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hey cypher

i've watched the movie right now, and i think the effect is the ketchup that squirts to the left as the runner hits a boy in school...
is it that? is it is it??? biggrin

sorry for coming up so late smile
Posted: Fri, 9th Feb 2007, 11:36pm

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4 years later, people are still guessing that effect.
Posted: Sat, 10th Feb 2007, 12:59am

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Ok, I'll spill the beans for Cypher. The effect is a light haze around the edges of your vision. All you have to do is drink a quart of tequila to achieve it. It's that simple.
Posted: Mon, 26th Feb 2007, 10:16pm

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lol, yeah, that's possible... no serious:
what u guess it is?
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Wait, hold on...did nobody ever guess what the effect was? And did I not reveal it?

If so, that's amazing.
Posted: Sun, 26th Oct 2008, 6:17pm

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I'd have to guess it's in the begining on the monitors.

But I'll also comment that this is a really well made film, 5/5 stars.
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I could of sworn it was a lens flare.