You are viewing an archive of the old fxhome.com forums. The community has since moved to hitfilm.com.

Flame Behind Letters... where did the flame come from?

Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 9:51pm

Post 1 of 40

Pooky

Force: 4834 | Joined: 8th Jul 2003 | Posts: 5913

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Rating: -1

Ok, I searched the forums and google but it didnt turn anything up. What I'm trying to achieve is letters like in the beginning of DXM where there is fire behind the letters... but I can't find a clip with fire on a black background... can anyone help?
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 10:07pm

Post 2 of 40

Sting939

Force: 410 | Joined: 3rd Mar 2003 | Posts: 88

EffectsLab Lite User

Gold Member

Well, there is an AlamDV plugin with flame letters http://fxhome.com/alamdv2/plugins/list.php?cat=38 but I don't know of places on the net to get them. The letters in DMX were mostly likely created using nice software, like After Effects, but I'm really not sure about that.
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 10:09pm

Post 3 of 40

Pooky

Force: 4834 | Joined: 8th Jul 2003 | Posts: 5913

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Rating: -1

Nono, I know how to make it, I just need a clip of fire over a black background. Oh and forgot to mention: sidey or mecha, where did you get the font for the letters in the beginning of DXM?
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 10:20pm

Post 4 of 40

sidewinder

Force: 4937 | Joined: 5th Aug 2001 | Posts: 2453

FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

The fire was just a bunch of alamdv flame plugins. We didn't use a single "wall of fire", we just cut and pasted a lot.

www.dafont.com for all your font needs. That's where we got the fonts used in DXM.
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 10:22pm

Post 5 of 40

Marek

Force: 2225 | Joined: 25th Dec 2002 | Posts: 1754

EffectsLab Lite User FXpreset Maker Windows User

Gold Member

I have asked them before... or seen someone ask them. They say that they can't remember the exact font but you should search around in the "Techno" section of www.dafont.com cool
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 10:24pm

Post 6 of 40

Pooky

Force: 4834 | Joined: 8th Jul 2003 | Posts: 5913

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Rating: -1

Ok thx (it's called Blade Runner).

Last edited Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 10:31pm; edited 3 times in total.

Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 10:31pm

Post 7 of 40

sidewinder

Force: 4937 | Joined: 5th Aug 2001 | Posts: 2453

FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

ummm...read up.
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 10:33pm

Post 8 of 40

Pooky

Force: 4834 | Joined: 8th Jul 2003 | Posts: 5913

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Rating: -1

sidewinder wrote:

The fire was just a bunch of alamdv flame plugins. We didn't use a single "wall of fire", we just cut and pasted a lot.
I know this is asking a lot, but could you put the clip on zed or something so I can download it? If you don't want to, thats ok, I'll try and find something...
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 10:39pm

Post 9 of 40

sidewinder

Force: 4937 | Joined: 5th Aug 2001 | Posts: 2453

FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

Oh yeah, you don't have alamdv. I forgot. smile

Hmm...I'm sure you can find a flame somewhere on the internet. If not, go outside tonight and film one, or do you need it before then?
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 10:46pm

Post 10 of 40

Pooky

Force: 4834 | Joined: 8th Jul 2003 | Posts: 5913

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Rating: -1

Well, I definately can't film one (too young, not allowed, and need it on a black background anyway). And I already searched for a flame on the internet... So can anyone here that has AlamDV do it for me please? It would be much apreciated.
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 10:49pm

Post 11 of 40

Kid

Force: 4177 | Joined: 1st Apr 2001 | Posts: 1876

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User Windows User

Gold Member

Why don't you do something else that you can do rather than just copy the DXM one?
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 10:53pm

Post 12 of 40

Pooky

Force: 4834 | Joined: 8th Jul 2003 | Posts: 5913

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Rating: -1

Well I just love the DXM one so much.... as well as everything else in DXM smile
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 11:03pm

Post 13 of 40

Magic_man12

Force: 853 | Joined: 20th Mar 2002 | Posts: 1350

Windows User MacOS User

Member

several options

buy alamdv
film it yourself
put a whole ton of explosion movies that are already made (on the black background) together. Layer enough of them to look like constant flames

http://www.detonationfilms.com/free_stuff.htm

or

cry


gl

-MAGIC
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 11:16pm

Post 14 of 40

Pooky

Force: 4834 | Joined: 8th Jul 2003 | Posts: 5913

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Rating: -1

Booo hoo hooo

smile
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 11:39pm

Post 15 of 40

sidewinder

Force: 4937 | Joined: 5th Aug 2001 | Posts: 2453

FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

If you film a flame during the night, it will be on a black background. Just get your parents to help you.
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 11:47pm

Post 16 of 40

AndrewtheActorMan

Force: 1859 | Joined: 31st May 2003 | Posts: 1477

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

c'mon, get a peace of paper, get a lighter, be sure its dark, film


easy!
Posted: Thu, 16th Oct 2003, 11:47pm

Post 17 of 40

Pooky

Force: 4834 | Joined: 8th Jul 2003 | Posts: 5913

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Rating: -1

Ok I'll try
Posted: Fri, 17th Oct 2003, 1:46am

Post 18 of 40

Marek

Force: 2225 | Joined: 25th Dec 2002 | Posts: 1754

EffectsLab Lite User FXpreset Maker Windows User

Gold Member

I hope you guys realize you have potentially created a future pyrotechnic... person. wink
Posted: Fri, 17th Oct 2003, 2:12am

Post 19 of 40

BackOfTheHearse

Force: 2660 | Joined: 17th Nov 2001 | Posts: 1099

EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

AHEM. The PROPER term for people such as myself is PYROMANIAC. Get it right. Or burn twisted



ha
Posted: Fri, 17th Oct 2003, 9:53am

Post 20 of 40

Simon K Jones

Force: 27955 | Joined: 1st Jan 2002 | Posts: 11683

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 5 Pro User MuzzlePlug User PowerPlug User PhotoKey 3 Plug-in User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker Windows User

FXhome Team Member

If you buy AlamDV you'll have as many firey backgrounds as you desire. smile
Posted: Fri, 17th Oct 2003, 10:17am

Post 21 of 40

AndrewtheActorMan

Force: 1859 | Joined: 31st May 2003 | Posts: 1477

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

Marek wrote:

I hope you guys realize you have potentially created a future pyrotechnic... person. wink
OH CRAP! AAHHH!!!!
Posted: Fri, 17th Oct 2003, 11:04am

Post 22 of 40

Pooky

Force: 4834 | Joined: 8th Jul 2003 | Posts: 5913

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Rating: -1

Tarn wrote:

If you buy AlamDV you'll have as many firey backgrounds as you desire. smile
Don't worry, I will as soon as I get enough in my allowance, I only learned about Alam AFTER I bought all of my programs (and thus went back to 0$).

Marek wrote:

I hope you guys realize you have potentially created a future pyrotechnic... person. wink
FIREFIREFIREFIRE!!!!
Posted: Sat, 18th Oct 2003, 1:10pm

Post 23 of 40

Pooky

Force: 4834 | Joined: 8th Jul 2003 | Posts: 5913

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Rating: -1

Ok, I tried but I can't find how to see through text. I tried all of the options of basic text and it didn't make it see-through.
Posted: Sat, 18th Oct 2003, 1:16pm

Post 24 of 40

Exclamation

Force: 2067 | Joined: 28th Mar 2003 | Posts: 480

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Rating: +1

Erm, its not "see-through" (as that would be transparentcy)

I think it's a displacement map. (Digital Tutors have a tutorial on this - though the CD they sell is much more detailed into ways of doing it)

If its not a displacement I'm unfortnatly not sure what it is.
Posted: Sat, 18th Oct 2003, 1:22pm

Post 25 of 40

Pooky

Force: 4834 | Joined: 8th Jul 2003 | Posts: 5913

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Rating: -1

Anyone know for sure and can tell me how to do it?
Posted: Sat, 18th Oct 2003, 1:43pm

Post 26 of 40

AndrewtheActorMan

Force: 1859 | Joined: 31st May 2003 | Posts: 1477

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

Rating: +1

Do u have Premiere? Do u have Photoshop?

*IF SO*

1.) Go into Photoshop and create a black image. Type out w/e your text is going to say in white.

2.) Save biggrin


3.) Import your fire footage and your text you just made into Premiere.

4.) Put the Fire Clip under the Text Clip.

5.) Go into the Transparency settings of the TEXT clip. Set it to Chroma or Diffrence Matte. Goof with the settings to your expecttations.

And thats it... not too hard

OH! WAIT!

and

6.) SAVE! biggrin

the end. Please, next time, think about your effect a little before you ask. Not everything will be layed out for you.

Enjoy!!
Posted: Sat, 18th Oct 2003, 1:44pm

Post 27 of 40

Exclamation

Force: 2067 | Joined: 28th Mar 2003 | Posts: 480

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Well, you could try displacements - it'd create a similar effect or maybe even better if its not one.

You always want the right answer then and there pooky, if someone makes a suggestion at least try it or experiment with the idea unsure

[Edit: Andrew posted right before me, I wanted mine to be straight after pooky's]
Posted: Sat, 18th Oct 2003, 1:47pm

Post 28 of 40

Pooky

Force: 4834 | Joined: 8th Jul 2003 | Posts: 5913

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Rating: -1

But what is a displacement map?

And I was trying to make it so I can apply shine to it in the end. So it needs to be all done in after effects. And that's where I don't know how.
Posted: Sat, 18th Oct 2003, 1:57pm

Post 29 of 40

AndrewtheActorMan

Force: 1859 | Joined: 31st May 2003 | Posts: 1477

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

Cant u use Premiere files in AE?


i thought u could


Exclamation wrote:



[Edit: Andrew posted right before me, I wanted mine to be straight after pooky's]
Sorry! heh cool

Last edited Sat, 18th Oct 2003, 1:58pm; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Sat, 18th Oct 2003, 1:57pm

Post 30 of 40

Exclamation

Force: 2067 | Joined: 28th Mar 2003 | Posts: 480

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Rating: +1

I hate this, I gave this displacement link above and you ignore it!!! This explains what it is and how to make one!!!
Posted: Sat, 18th Oct 2003, 1:59pm

Post 31 of 40

Magic_man12

Force: 853 | Joined: 20th Mar 2002 | Posts: 1350

Windows User MacOS User

Member

Rating: +1

A displacement map is a black and white picture. you then tell the program to use to colours in a certain way - ex - in a 3d program. you can create a rectangle - apply a displacement map with all sorts of black smudges, and where the black on that picture is, the regtangle will either rise or lower in those spots depending on the settings you make

- why dont you just make the text in green in aftereffects on a black blackground - import that composition into you main composition (with the fire) on top of the flames - key out the green and you will be able to "see through it"

-MAGIC
Posted: Sat, 18th Oct 2003, 2:01pm

Post 32 of 40

Pooky

Force: 4834 | Joined: 8th Jul 2003 | Posts: 5913

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Rating: -1

Well I know you can import premiere files into AE but then won't it aply shine to the rest of the picture?

Oh sorry Exclamation, I didn't notice that link (yes I know, I'm blind).

Wha? the link works but the web page doesn't load completely.
Posted: Sat, 18th Oct 2003, 2:10pm

Post 33 of 40

Exclamation

Force: 2067 | Joined: 28th Mar 2003 | Posts: 480

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

http://www.digital-tutors.com/digital_tutors/display_video_test.php?videoX=118

There is the link in a normal form (without it being in bbcode over writing)

If it don't load I'm not sure, but make sure that you click the big image that says "Click Here to Veiw Video" (if you dont see it then you are blind.. or have a broken quicktime player/internet browser.)
Posted: Sat, 18th Oct 2003, 2:15pm

Post 34 of 40

Pooky

Force: 4834 | Joined: 8th Jul 2003 | Posts: 5913

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Rating: -1

How do you go to the next tutorial?
Posted: Sat, 18th Oct 2003, 3:55pm

Post 35 of 40

Exclamation

Force: 2067 | Joined: 28th Mar 2003 | Posts: 480

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

The next one is not on the site (the CD only).

Just follow those steps and then change the settings to suit you.
Posted: Sat, 18th Oct 2003, 4:36pm

Post 36 of 40

Pooky

Force: 4834 | Joined: 8th Jul 2003 | Posts: 5913

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Rating: -1

Ok
Posted: Sat, 18th Oct 2003, 10:51pm

Post 37 of 40

Pooky

Force: 4834 | Joined: 8th Jul 2003 | Posts: 5913

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Just to check, sidey, mecha, what method did you guys use?
Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2003, 8:50pm

Post 38 of 40

Spam_Daddy

Force: 260 | Joined: 8th Aug 2002 | Posts: 144

Gold Member

now now now... you dont want to copy people now, that would just be bad news for everyone tard
Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2003, 9:22pm

Post 39 of 40

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

I'd say he's pretty set on copying it...
Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2003, 10:13pm

Post 40 of 40

sidewinder

Force: 4937 | Joined: 5th Aug 2001 | Posts: 2453

FXhome Movie Maker Windows User MacOS User

SuperUser

Indeed.

Pooky, learn how to use your programs. What we did doesn't involve a very complex concept.

So...

That means I'm not going to tell you, and you can try to find out how to do it yourself.