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Posted: Wed, 29th Oct 2003, 11:01am

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snitch. is a project my group and I did for class that had to revolve around lighting. This is the first thing I have plot graphed and lit properly since I started filmmaking.

They synopsis is pretty much Erica, the model student, is trying to steal exams, but Jackie, the student teacher, is able to catch her red-handed and a cool fight breaks out.

Before anyone starts, this is NOT inspired by Kill Bill. Yes, one song is from Kill Bill, but this was storyboarded and planned before I saw the film, so anything else is coincidence. If I had to say what inspired me the most, I'd probably go with Snatch because of the titles and fight scene.

There were some problems when filming this, so we had to go back and reshoot certain shots to make the peice flow and we also had to completely rethink and reshoot the ending. Our original ending didn't work once I got down to editing, so we had about 40 minutes the next day to come up with a new one. So, as a little bonus, attached is also the alternate/original ending.

Since this is pretty easy, only 10 force points to the first person who can point out where AlamDV2 was used biggrin

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Posted: Wed, 29th Oct 2003, 11:09am

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Andreas

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You post alot of movies biggrin

Extremly good, I like it!
You never keep suprising me!

Edit; Was the alam effect at the second girls name?
Posted: Wed, 29th Oct 2003, 11:21am

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tweak my nipples granny, and tell me im alive. that was truly excellent. The great use of visuals.

I mean this is what its about. i dont care for all these effected junkied productions. Its about how you use the camera. And man did you do it very well.

The sound was such and such a big help for making things look like they were happening and i think you done that rather well.

There were a few times you could have mixed the non diagetic sounds a bit better but other then that sure brilliance.

I was totally amazed by the shots one thing, i wasnt so hot on. was the jaggy movment you had applyed to the fight scene. its like when you try to slow it down. But because its not been over cranked, it just goes all bumpy. I think if anything you would need to work on that a bit more.

I would also like to comment on the actual fighting it self. it is pretty hard to pull off. and i wasnt really that fond of it. did look pretty amaturish. The standing poses and the flaining stances of the girls trying to grip there hands. But then to which i say, ehh they aint proffesional. Woulda been nice though. i love combat and martial arts! That let it down for me abit.

But other then that congrats on such a nice production lol even if you only did use one alam dv effect.

well done 4/5 for me!

oh yeah nearly forgot to add. i wasnt so hot on the zooming in shots. To me it just reminds me of dad filming a party "hello son wave the camera" that kinda took it away from me a bit but there we go.
Posted: Wed, 29th Oct 2003, 11:30am

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Rating: +1

Always good to see a movie in which special effects are just one aspect, rather than the main driving force. A fun idea for a short film. Good to see a different location and cast than the norm around here.

Camerawork was curious. In places it was superb, and it was always imaginative and full of nice ideas. However, a few shots (mostly in the first half) looked like they could have done with a little more stability, as jerky movement kind of give away the camera operator somewhat.

The fight itself was well-choreographed but was far too slow. I never felt that either girl was actually swinging with the intention of hitting to hurt. Of course, fighting is always a hugely difficult thing to convey on film, but just a fraction more speed to the movements would have sold it to me more.

Sound and editing was solid and slick, as usual with Cypher's work.

The good:

• The editing.
• Use of sound and music.
• Some of the camerawork was very dynamic and imaginative.
• Fun and entertaining concept.

The could-be-better:

• Some of hte camerwork suffered from being a bit shaky and jerky.
• The fight was too slow to be believeable.
• The lighting at the end was a little too uniformly dark.
Posted: Wed, 29th Oct 2003, 11:33am

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oh yeah, just to say so glad you didnt use that ending. i thought it sucked lol to say the least. it got a little too chessey at that point. with the guy trying not to smile while being taped on the sholder.

i thought woulda have ruined it big time!
Posted: Wed, 29th Oct 2003, 11:40am

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Very very nice

I liked the directing a lot, i always like to see someones own way of directing, and it was good the lighting was good to, i liked the music you picked for the scenes i think they went together very well, and like tarn said its nice to see a movie which special effects are just one aspect one being the main word, lol the explosion behind the exam thief but i liked that and i enjoyed that, very very nice work, looking forward to seeing what you come up with next smile

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Posted: Wed, 29th Oct 2003, 1:36pm

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Thanks for the nice words biggrin

+5 force to Kram and Andreas. Andreas for finding WHERE the effect is and Kram for WHAT the effect is (it was really a firetrail, but who cares, close enough).

This fight was storyboarded one way, but when we came around to shooting, we realised that the actors couldn't pull it off like I wanted them to, so most of it had to be reworked. I agree it's pretty slow, but when filming it, it feels MUCH faster and in anycase, I thought they did a very good job.

Coldfuse: This was planned shot and edited in less than two weeks. We shot mon-friday last week and I was already editing monday night. That being the case, I think i did pretty good with the non-diagetic sounds, but when playing back on a normal TV, they do seem out of place to me. It's really hard to find good swing noises (in fact, I only had one and I had to tweak the speed and equalize to make em sound different). The jaggy movement you speak of in the fight scene is a camera effect that makes it look much faster on playback, unfortunatley, the whole capture, color correct final render and web export lose the effect substantially and it becomes really jerky. When played back normally, the framerate is slowed down but blended together. I personally am not a big fan of those auto camera zooms and there were I think two storyboarded shots to zoom in, but in the hallway, when we originally shot it, there was LOTS of continuity errors so I went back and reshot. During shooting, I didn't really plan to use some of the shots that zoomed in, at least with the zoom part and was going to edit where it's still, but alot of the footage also had poor continuity there and I had no choice but to use those. Oh well. And yes, the original ending sucks...which is why we redid it biggrin

Tarn: I try wink I explained above what's with the camera work in the first half. But compared to some of my other films, you have to admit, it's MUCH more steady wink We got this sweet tripod on wheels that I just fell in love with and I oriented many shots to dolly and flow together. I think I succeeded in that (ie, when Erica goes into the room and then back out to the printer etc). As usual with all fights, even if they were slow, the girls took some hits and got a bruise or two. I tried speeding up certain areas (and did) but it makes them seem more jerky and I really didn't like it.

Kram: It's nice to hear that my directing is apparent, although I'm only in shot shot (im the guy in the blue near the begining) biggrin

As a little sidenote, besides the ending (ie, not including after Erica and Jackie are knocked out) there is only ONE handheld shot! OMG! Cypher only having one handheld shot?! What the hell?! And that shot is only maybe 2 seconds long, heh. For the rest, we used a simple steadycam that worked fairly well (that is, when the shots weren't on the dolly/tripod). So, since I know this is impossible, 50 forcepoints for whoever can identify the timeframe of when the one hand held shot was used! Remember, don't take into account the ending after they're knocked out, as there are I believe 2 handheld shots because it was impossible any other way.

Happy hunting wink
Posted: Wed, 29th Oct 2003, 1:52pm

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id guess aroung the 38-39 second mark

maybe?

haha i have one other thought but ill see if thats it first

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Posted: Wed, 29th Oct 2003, 5:06pm

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Magic_man12 wrote:

id guess aroung the 38-39 second mark
Nope. biggrin

That was just a tripod shot zoomed in and i was trying to frame it whilst zooming.

What's your other idea?
Posted: Wed, 29th Oct 2003, 5:15pm

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The nicely glowy shot through the door at 00:21?
Posted: Wed, 29th Oct 2003, 5:43pm

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My other thought was the above shot when shes walking into the school

18 seconds? it hink



its hard to tell what could be hand held when you are also using some kind of steady cam

-MAGIC
Posted: Wed, 29th Oct 2003, 5:48pm

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Tarn wrote:

The nicely glowy shot through the door at 00:21?
Oops, make that two handheld shots. heh. Yes, that is handheld, but not the one I was alluding too. lol

Magicman: nope, that shot was on a fully extended tripod. note: when i was compressing the tripod, it hit me in the head and it hurt.

And the shot is very hard to tell because its in some subsequent shots using the steadycam.
Posted: Wed, 29th Oct 2003, 7:38pm

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The standout bit of the film for me was the section where she is on the computer and the camera is following her in and out of the room.

I thought the fighting was fine, they did a very good job, maybe cutting it slightly faster, so you don't include them slowing down at the end of their swing.

The only confusing bit on the first watch was when the student teacher grabs the paper from the printer, I would have introduced her earlier, watching the theif enter the room or something...
Posted: Wed, 29th Oct 2003, 8:53pm

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Not bad at all.

You have a very dynamic style, it keeps the interest.

Very nice overall. But I have to wonder - in light of your previous entry: you seem to have an obsession with school matters... Delivering a paper too early and now cheating... wink

Anyways, most of the good has been pointed out. I like your work on the titles. Very sober yet elegant.


- Your POVs are well done but some of them are confusing in the editing. I wasn't always sure what I was seeing because you were missing shots of what's happening before for me to grasp everything.

- I think the editing could've been tighter in places, especially during the fight. When the student-teacher gives a high kick at some point, cutting faster would've given more impact.

- I know you sped up some shots, but still some are too slow (hard to tel if they've been sped up or not) but more noticeably when she throws her stick through the chair, etc. That section would need some more work in my opinion.

Nice work. Keep'em coming.

The girls did a decent job of it I thought overall
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 1:58am

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Rating: +1

Once again Cypher, you put your mark on a short film. I have a feeling once you make features, your films will be those where within the first five minutes we can go, "Oh yah, this is a Kirill film!"

The style and camerawork is very much signature and really lends itself to the story/idea of the film. Although the story is simple, you make it work with a number of angles, perspectives and shots.

I also thought the number of effects did not distract the viewer, but lended a better idea of what was going on to the idea/story of the short. They were subtle yet they worked.

You're definitely a solid cameraman and a solid director. As constructive criticism, I would just say the acting has room to improve as well as maybe using some dialogue. wink I know that wasn't the point of this one, but I can't wait to see you do a longer film that is not just action. Kudos.


JB
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 2:21am

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Good
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  • Titles
    (I liked them a LOT)
  • Music
    (Good Track)
  • Fighting
    (was ok, could have been better)
  • The part where the camera goes through the window

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Bad
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  • Some of the angles could have been better
  • I felt that some cuts were too fast


Other than that, a good short. Well done. 4 from me smile
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 2:27am

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That was awsome exept for the camera being shaky in some place. Other than that it was awsome, but 5 stars none the less!
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 6:18pm

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Those were some of the most creative camera moves I have seen on this site. That type of movement really puts the viewer in the action, I think. I guess there is a fine line between too much camera movement and too little, but again I feel you nailed it with the right amount in the right places. The walk-in zoom on your talent was a nice way to bring in the audience to tension of what was happening.

I was also impressed with the image quality. What camera did you use.? Also, please tell us more about how you lit your project. That's something that I want to improve on.

Finally, how did you recored audio? With a boom mic?

I really look foward to more from you.
Posted: Fri, 31st Oct 2003, 3:21am

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You're one step closer to Mahri's Revenge!

Nice fight directing, and good lights, except for the side shot in the hall -- - And the opening shot was funky cause of that zoom-

But other then that, really good. I like the flow of the camera before she steals it -
Posted: Fri, 31st Oct 2003, 3:37am

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Mahri's Revenge is the greatest. Aren't you glad I showed that to you?

otteypm: thanks, that bit was inspired by Bad Boys II...cept it wasnt as cool and didn't have a guy get shot in the head. heh.

JohnCarter: the only reason that my last two films have had school matters is because that's what they were for smile both films were projects done for class so I had only limited resources for filming, concept wise.

sfbmovieco: damn straight, "a Kirill film" biggrin I actually have been working on improving my camera work and have been recently actually leaning towards tripod work...i still think its a hazard, but when there's motion in it, it's worth using the tripod. plus, ill get people like b4uask to stop complaining about shakey cam even though their own films are extremely shakey...but that's a different story. wink Dialogue is an unexplored area of film for me, but i think that will be changing soon...

marek: it's funny that everyone else has said that some cuts weren't fast enough wink

ragnar: Believe it or not, that was actually shot on a 1chip cam with a relatively small lens. the only beefed up bit was i had a wide conversion lens mounted to give it a broader scope. the way i lit the project was just by using desklamps and glowlamps (without any covering on them, so just the bulb) with this reflector thing i have and a fresnel. We did the typical 3-point lighting and then the single bright light (the red). we just planned what we wanted where and luckily for us, most of it worked out like we wanted it to. i had to adjust the camera settings for certain shots (ie, to get the red to glow more) and i also did alot of color correction as the fresnel we used was way too yellow and gave it a crappy look (watch the deleted scenes, that's unaltered footage). the audio was all done using the cam mic. i didn't have any dialogue so i didn't bother with special audio equipment.

Thanks for the positive feedback and I look forward to more constructive critisicm.
Posted: Fri, 31st Oct 2003, 7:37pm

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That maris revenge is sweet. I mean shots are amazing chessy as hell which was ok sometimes just got a little boring after a while cos it was chesse after chesse.

Very sex orietainted, which is a good thing. But alas only so muchy can intrest me as a viewer sleep But some nice shots.

The directing was amazing the shots this person got,well what can i say was very well edited some points it could have been tightend up but i mean just WOW! that student films webpage, has some amazing films all different.

One thing i think which lets this place down sometimes is the fact you can only submit films with the effects. which most of the time are action films, you get youre very few which really do make a mark and are different.

I love this stuff, the zooming worked so well everything was planned to a T. again like youres i think what let it down was the fighting itself. I mean the pulling off of the dresses was all cool, and trying to hide the fact that the fighting which was one of the main points within the film just wasnt that great.

Once thing i must say though even thogh mecha said ur one step closer to Maris revenge, one thing to be careful of is the over using of many techniques. which sometimes let this film down. there was so much of the same it felt a little bit like a re-run sometimes.

But very nice it is though, they done an amazing job of it.
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Coldfuse that is by far the most sense I have ever heard you make at one time...I guess the old saying is true...Leave a monkey alone with a typewriter and someday you will have the works of Shakespeare...Your post wasn't Shakespeare but at least it wasn't mindless, incoherent drivel...

Cypher: good job on this movie...many of your angles were great. What kind of camera are you using? Some of the fighting was awful and I didn't understand the ending at all...Great lighting for the most part and the cinematography was certainly on point...Great job man.

Canta unsure
Posted: Fri, 31st Oct 2003, 10:15pm

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Nice work! I enjoyed your film, nice style. Evidently you put alot of effort and thought into your work. Look forward to your next... Good luck!
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 7:00pm

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You made me think WTF at a shot in the beginning, where the camera seems to move through a window. Thats always a good thing, you could have cought me rewinding. biggrin

You definately have a special style, thats not really something new (the fact that you have a special style, not your style itself). biggrin
And I bow to your feel for timing and editing. That is really something you do have an excellent eye for!

As in your films before, some of your camerawork is truly excellent (as for example the shot I mentioned) but there are also moments wich seem rushed, allthough that were minor parts.

The choice of music was really well, gave the scene a nice flow and the battle was, allthough a bit slow in places, pretty nifty.


The "story" on the other hand was odd. I didn't really get what happened with the 3rd person appearing and especially, why... crazy


Nevertheless in total a solid piece of work!
Posted: Sat, 8th Nov 2003, 12:11am

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Very good. The editing was right on and some of the camera work.....well I had to stop and try to workout how you did it. Still can't figure out how you make a camera go through a door or window smile

Good to see some girls actually in the lead for a change, not just window dressing.

I rated this as a well deserved 4. But hey, what do I know, I have NoClue about this stuff. biggrin (thats a hint by the way)
Posted: Sat, 8th Nov 2003, 5:57am

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Rating: -1

Hey,
Good Idea, but I don't know, it was just okay for me

If you want to see something real funny
watch jesus versum muhammad.

WWW.QUANTUMNINJA.com
Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2003, 7:09pm

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Coldfuse: I love Mahri's Revenge...really fun to watch. Some great camera techniques in there as well. You should go comment on their site for the film. Steve Reedy's a cool guy, watch his Battlefield Ultimate 100%...some really good CG there.

cantaclaro: I was using a Sony TRV-27...its only 1 chip, but adjusting contrast makes it much nicer. The ending many people dont understand. A few shots were done without any actors even being there. The ending is pretty much that Jackie beats up the guy by bashing his head into the counter (always fun) and Erica runs away during this. The last shot is a POV of the guy falling down.

Mantra: Thanks. this took one week to shoot and one more day the next week to reshoot the ending. Editing was done all days throughout.

Sollthar: good to hear I made someone stop it and see how i accomplished an effect biggrin Ya, the camera work is rushed at times and i didn't really overshoot this film so i didn't have too much footage to use. The 3rd person appearing was just an easy way out for me. I think it's much better than the original ending so i'm glad biggrin

rcamuk: Good to hear someone else had to stop it and figure out how I did some shots. always good news. the camera going through the window is not the first time i've done something like that. watch Break-in (http://fxhome.com/cinema/info_cache/movieinfo618.html) to see the same effect used before. It's really not too hard biggrin

nerdcore: care to provide feedback on why it was just okay? It's always nice to see why people didn't like my work, so i'd appreciate some constructive critisicm. and i watched the jesus v muhmamad thing...and the only good thing i can is that intro to the site. that's pretty amusing. but the actual vid i thought was pretty poor. the greenscrenning wasn't done too well and it didn't make sense.
Posted: Sun, 16th Nov 2003, 5:06am

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Cypher, how ever did you make those nifty titles? biggrin
Posted: Sun, 16th Nov 2003, 5:28am

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Hmm, I think I'll make a tutorial as soon as I get time. Anyone else interested in knowing how that's done?

In other news, I've let time pass and collected some nice quotes from reviews and comments from you guys and posted them on the Scope-Films website.

Just visit www.scope-films.com and read the current news!

Thanks again for all the useful comments!
Posted: Mon, 24th Nov 2003, 2:00pm

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sorry for my 2 vote,it was meant as a 3.I rated this as a trailer,and not as a film. as a trailer, the film looks good, good location, big cast, heist stroyline is original. i felt the trailer was a bit slow, starting with just titles again and again. also, i felt the music could have been used better. although it is important to edit trailers to your chosen music, i felt you could have been more inventive, instead of using structured cuts at certain points in the music, each lasting a similar lenght, i think this slowed down the pace. looking forward to the film though.
Posted: Mon, 24th Nov 2003, 5:37pm

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I think you've got the wrong movie...this is not a trailer, its a short film. There's no more after this.

crazy
Posted: Tue, 25th Nov 2003, 8:23pm

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Very nice work! Excellent variety of camera angles and shots. And I LOVED the way you did the character introductions. Nice titles as well. 4 stars!
Posted: Thu, 27th Nov 2003, 8:25am

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It's always hard to get Digital Video to look somewhat like film, but I think your smooth dolly shots, lighting, and whatever contrast filter(s) you added in post really gave the film a professional feel. Nice job (as everyone else is saying) on the character pause intros and the camera moving through the window and wall. Where are you taking your film studies course?
Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2004, 8:31pm

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Very cool editing, especially (as people have mentioned before) the camera going through the window. The character name intro were also good. I liked the big arrow and "exams" written on the white board.
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filmguy: i'm actually in my last year of high school but have applied to a few film programs at some universities. will know if i'm in may or so. i'm hopeful
Posted: Wed, 14th Apr 2004, 8:41pm

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The Movie has nice effects and a nice style, ok. But the Actors are Bad and the end fight looks very Stupid. Sorry a movie only with good effects and Styles is not a good Movie.
Posted: Wed, 14th Apr 2004, 10:09pm

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That warrants a zero...? even tho u said there's at least one good thing in it?


/backs away from the uninformed...
Posted: Wed, 14th Apr 2004, 11:25pm

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Out of 44 people, hes the only one. I dont think you should worry too much smile, even though it is pretty harsh. I guess that can be said about any rating though?
Posted: Thu, 15th Apr 2004, 2:27am

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I dont really care, it's just humorous.
Posted: Sun, 16th May 2004, 5:03am

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meunger

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The dolly shots - they're amazing guys. Big props to the DP and his team. Did I see some steadycam shots maybe? And for the time you had to shoot this (which I'm sure wasn't too long, since high school teachers don't understand how long it takes to make movies) the story and pacing was just fine.

I'm sure you've found out by making movies as a group, not as an individual who goes around finding everyone for his.her own movie that filmmaking is done by collaboration, and you guys did awesome with that. Together, your creativity graced this movie well. For what it was worth, the fight scene was great - it definatly is better than most I've seen on highschool-level movies like this. I could tell what scenes you spent time on and which ones you might have rushed...the beginning wasn't too shabby, but it definatly picked up in the computer room. Your leading lady is a 10 btw. Props to the casting director wink even if there wasn't one. She's a girl meant for the screen - I say that in a non-sketchy way. PEACEOUT
Posted: Sun, 16th May 2004, 7:55am

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Cypher

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Thank-you very much biggrin

I'm glad you liked the camera work...that's what I tried for in this particular video.

Youll be seeing the star of this in a new film ive been shooting for 3 months now...Pancakes Prelude. She plays a lead.

thanks for the comments! biggrin