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Aliens Vs Predator movie teaser

Aliens Vs Predator: Yes or no?

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Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 11:00am

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http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avp/large.html

Well, don't get too excited about that one.

This is more me wondering what people think about this movie. I'm a big fan of the Alien and Predator movies, as well as the AvP games. However, the AvP movie is sounding worse and worse...

Set on Earth, present day, in Antarctica. Hardly inspired. And would seem to totally undermine the other films.

Ah well.
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 11:05am

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I dont really get how they could make a good story out of this, indeed the Alien movies are cool, so is predetor, but togheter? that aint gonna work!

The movie industrie is loosing it!
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 11:07am

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The concept has worked very well in comics and games before, so there's no reason why it shouldn't work in movies. However, as usual, the worst elements of Hollywood appear to be making it, and are doing it 'their own way'.

ie, they're mucking it up.


Bear in mind Predator 2 actually linked the two movies, so they've been linked for some time now...
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 11:10am

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This movie is gonna suck and then blow...what an awful idea...the aliens have moved to Antarctica folks and they are there to stay...and better yet the have built an ice pyramid to keep them warm in such a harsh climate...

Canta unsure
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 11:14am

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Movies gonna suck, because there just trying to do it. For a marketable appeal. Unlike the games which if i remember rightly first came out on the Atari jaguar which had some sweet graphics at the time (unfortuently the playstation came out with polygons. that basicly took it to the next level)

I dont know who is directing this. But if it was ridley Scott who has done such films as Alien and blade runner... then i would be very happy and excited but ehh hes done stuff like match stick men. so i dont think he would ahve been doing this.
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 11:19am

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right thats it... its gonna flop its directed by the guy who done resident Evil.. then again that did get me a few times crazy even when i expected it. DAMN BUGGA!

Hold on then maybe he might do a good job of this!
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 1:53pm

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It probably will be bad - not to mention it'll probably end up negating both franchise from the sound of it - but people will line up like obedient little lambs to go see what the fuss is all about and the studio will make moutains of money... LIKE EVERY OTHER TIME!

It's a no-brainer for the studio. Doesn't matter how much it sucks or how bad they make it or with little or no respect for what came before it... It'll make truckload of cold hard cash... Because everybody will go see it NERVERTHELESS! So Fox as a company will be successful and happy! And the fans most likely unhappy, poorer of $10 bucks but ready to shell out for the next disaster...

Look at the "outrage" over the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake... Boards on the net where burning with "How could they?", "Let's boycott them!", blah blah blah ad eternam nauseam...

End result: Box-Office success...

I rest my case.
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 2:00pm

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You are completely right Christian...they did the exact same thing with Freddy vs. Jason...that movie sucked ass crack...and yet everyone flocked to the theaters to go check it out...and you know what they aren't gonna stop because people are stupid and are more willing to dish out money to see trash than a good well thought out movie...it is like the more incoherent the better with the mass populous...which proves what i have always said...most people are dumber than a bag of rocks...

Canta unsure
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 2:10pm

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On the other hand, the original Nightmare on Elm Street isn't exactly a good film, so it's probably not the right comparison to draw. smile

People will indeed flock to AvP - however, if it does indeed suck, it'll pretty much scupper anymore Alien or Predator or AvP movies.

Look at how Batman & Robin killed the Batman franchise - it did well, but the backlash was huge. Very nearly killed comic book movies entirely until Blade (to a small extent) and X-Men (to a large extent) came along.
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 2:16pm

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I don't think many people realise Blade is actually a comicbook character. Silly really, some of the original Blade comics are awesome. Batman and Robin was just so bad it really did mess things up. However just as was said in Jay and Silent Bob Strike back,

'because of XMen everyone is jumping on the superhero bandwagon'.

Its so true. neutral

Now then, the Fantastic Four?

or maybe Viewtiful Joe.

/me gets the spoon and begins to stir
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 2:22pm

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Tarn, the only thing that prevented Hollywood from making more Batman movies after the Clooney debacle was the FEAR that the next one wouldn't be successful because of the backlash. If they failed next time at the bat (pun intended), a lot of execs would've lost their cushy jobs. But the movie was still a huge success money wise so Warner succeeded as a company... But see, they are at it again... With people that seem to make more sense and are more talented, granted, but it hasn't stopped them. Actually they've been talking about Batman sequels for years - at one point Darren Aronofsky of Requiem for a Dream fame was attached. And it didn't stop comic book movies - they were few and far between anyways before, with the exception of Superman and Batman made by big studios, the rest was (bad) straight to video fodder and TV shows... You are right that Blade changed all that (and was greenlighted after the Batman debacle) since it proved that even a bad movie about a second tier superhero could make lots of money if made to look cool enough! And it ended Marvel's streak of bad (read: not money making; artistic value is irrelevant in the Studio World - a movie just needs to be well photographed...) films from great characters... From there on the floodgates where open...

As for Nightmare, it wasn't a great movie but it had a somewhat original idea: Your dreams can be a door for Evil... The premise was interesting and tons of teenagers died in somewhat creative fashion...

And Er-no: Fantastic Four is supposed to come out December 2004...

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Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 2:27pm

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JohnCarter wrote:


And Er-no: Fantastic Four is supposed to come out December 2004...
Excellent, now then, what about Turok. With Christian Bale.

Heh
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 2:28pm

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JohnCarter wrote:

You are right that Blade changed all that (and was greenlighted after the Batman debacle) since it proved that even a bad movie about a second tier superhero could make lots of money if made to look cool enough!
Your opinion. Mine is that Blade was a great film biggrin
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 2:29pm

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Of course it's my opinion... biggrin
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 2:30pm

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JohnCarter wrote:

Of course it's my opinion... biggrin
razz Ah.. good good, you just put it in a way as if it was a universal maxim! wink
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 2:33pm

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er-no wrote:

JohnCarter wrote:

Of course it's my opinion... biggrin
razz Ah.. good good, you just put it in a way as if it was a universal maxim! wink
Sorry if it comes out that way. I'm very passionate about this subject. Big superhero fan, you see... And I hated Blade with a passion. Very badly crafted in my opinion. And sequel was even worse. But hey! The thread is about Aliens vs Predator! Let's get back on track! wink
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 2:35pm

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JohnCarter wrote:

Tarn, the only thing that prevented Hollywood from making more Batman movies after the Clooney debacle was the FEAR that the next one wouldn't be successful because of the backlash.
Indeed, that's what I was referring to. Thought B&R was successful, it effectively killed the franchise - certainly something that the execs at WB would not have wanted.

The short-sightedness of the studios unfortunately means they seem unable to see past the current film, making them incapable of comprehending the consequences of a bad entry in a franchise.

But the movie was still a huge success money wise so Warner succeeded as a company...
Only partially. As above, they would have considered it far more of a success if they had been able to rattle of lots more lame sequels. As it was, it's been floundering for years. Although they've given it to Chris Nolan now, so perhaps somebody with half a brain has managed to infiltrate WB.

As for Nightmare, it wasn't a great movie but it had a somewhat original idea: Your dreams can be a door for Evil... The premise was interesting and tons of teenagers died in somewhat creative fashion...
Unfortunately I didn't see Nightmare until I was about 20. So I'd had years of my friends telling me how cool the movie was, and its reputation was built up hugely. Then I saw it and it seemed to be a rather lame, amateur little movie that was more dull and embarassing than anything else. I guess without that cheeky feeling of "I shouldn't be watching this" when you're 11 years old it somewhat lacks any punch. smile

And Er-no: Fantastic Four is supposed to come out December 2004...
I'm a bit worried about that one, simply because 'Fantastic Four' is a title you can't really get away with these days. It's extremely 50s, and just sounds stupidly camp now... not to say it can't be a good film, of course.
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 2:54pm

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Well, I'm with you in worriness about FF, Tarn... If only for those two reasons:

1 - Peyton Reed, the hack behind "Bring it on!" was supposed to direct - but I hear he may have quit over "creative differences". I don't know how you can go from that pap on to direct a big budget superhero movie?!?!?! What are the execs smoking there?

2 - George Clooney is being courted to play Reed Richards...
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 2:59pm

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Hm, I quite liked Bring It On on its own terms. Although quite how you go from that to Fantastic Four bemuses me - unless, of course, they're going down a bright campy day-glo route. :&rt;

As for Clooney, I'm not familiar enough with the character to know if he'd be appropriate casting. Clooney is a curious actor, though - sometimes he's fantastic (mostly when working with the Coens, it would seem...), and sometimes he comes across a bit flat. We'll see...
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 4:03pm

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Hmm... I'm not sure if the movie really is going to suck. I won't sream out loud what a shit it will be yet cause I haven't seen anything from it yet.

I must say, Anderson made the IMHO best videogame film yet, Mortal Kombat. I really enjoyed that for some reason. smile
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 4:19pm

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As it happens, Fantastic Four is no longer in anything vaguely looking like pre-production and it will not debut in December 2004. Peyton Reed did leave the project, but frankly I don't see why he couldn't have directed it. True, Down with Love and Bring It On aren't action films, but Bryan Singer hadn't done anything really close to X-Men, so I'd have given Reed a chance. Odds are, like Superman, Fantastic Four will never happen (or take an incredibly long time coming) because the producers and director could never get the budget under $200mil. Add to that they wanted A-List stars for Reed Richards and Sue Storm (George Clooney and Renee Zellweger were considered, but never approached) and you've got a film project that's aborted before it's even started.

If you're waiting for decent comic book movies, wait for Hellboy, Blade: Trinity, Batman: Intimidation and hell, possibly even Constantine. Just avoid Catwoman like the plauge and Ghost Rider (which seems to be heading the way of Fantastic Four thanks to the ever unreliable Nic Cage).

Oh, and AVP sounds dire. However, great plan by FOX to ensure no more decent Alien or Predator films are made! Good grief.

PJ
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 4:24pm

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Don't forget to avoid Punisher.
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 4:26pm

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Oh yeah, Tarn's right, avoid Punisher. Apart from the promotion for the film being dire and the cast being dodgy, can you really trust any film nowadays with John Travolta in it? I think not smile

PJ
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 4:37pm

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I'm not saying that you have to have direced action to do an action film, just that Peyton Reed has NO STYLE. His movies are bland. Stories may be decent and all, but the man is just a hack. He points the camera in the general direction of the action and hopes for the best. At least, it's the feeling his films leave in my mouth...

Thanks for the update of FF, I appreciate it. But I read recently that Avi Arad still thought he would be out in 2004 despite probelsm with Reed and budget...

Catwoman does sound dire from what I heard.

Punisher will be hopeless absed on set photos I've seen. Thomas Jane is nowhere near convincing as Frank Castle...
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 4:48pm

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I wouldn't say Peyton Reed is a hack. There are many hack directors out there, I wouldn't consider Peyton Reed one of them. True, Bring It On may have been point and shoot filming, but Down With Love certainly wasn't IMHO. He did a great job of emulating as well as updating the styles of 1950s and 1960s romantic comedies. I think he did pretty well, as the script really wasn't that great and the dialogue sub par. But that's just my opinion.

PJ
Posted: Fri, 31st Oct 2003, 12:18am

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Excellent, now then, what about Turok. With Christian Bale.

really, cuz if its true do you know a spot to learn more about it.
Posted: Fri, 31st Oct 2003, 4:52am

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Mmmm...

Jurassic Park 3, but instead of running from the Dinosaurs, blowing them up!

...


That sounds interesting...
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There's only one way to save alien Vs. Predator:

To blow everything up in sight for an hour and a half. And get bigger as you go.
Posted: Fri, 31st Oct 2003, 8:21am

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What do you expect when you see three predators on a pyramid SURROUNDED by Aliens? A smidget o' blood and a wanna-be story line? Come on guys, from the concept art, this looks AWESOME. The back story is good enough as it is. Resident Evil is underrated in my opinion, and I think Paul Anderson will do a darn good job, listen to the passion in his voice when he talks about the series'. Plus, almost all directors now with the last name Anderson are good: Wes Anderson, P.T. Anderson (eery), getting a mental picture? It's not going to suck if its a Hollywood movie. Just think if it was an independent. What this movie needs is a 200 mill budget. "Nuff said.
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Seems to me that the computer isn't doing its job right... On top I'm logged in, below, I'm not. Conundrum.



I am the almighty Guest.
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You're totally right on, McMurphy. From watching the little featurette on quicktime's site, it looks like it's gonna be really sweet. It looks like they're going into a big history thing with the species too. I think it'll be awesome.
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A director's name has nothing to do with how good it is gonna do... They are gonna have to prove to me that this movie is a good idea...I want blood guts and explosions...if i don't get that then there is no way ill be happy with it...

Canta unsure
Posted: Fri, 31st Oct 2003, 2:03pm

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Erm...

The whole point of the featurette is to convince you that it's good...

It's called marketing.

Anderson is a very uneven director. He did some good and he did some bad. What doesn't make sense in this film is that it's set on Earth modern times. Meaning now. So I guess there will be no humans there in Antartica because otherwise we would have documented records on the Aliens before Sigourney Weaver ever fought them! What's in Antartica are mostly research stations and military bases! Somebody is gonna document that, no? Oh yeah! That's right! I take things too seriously. I have to TOTALLY suspend disbelief in order to watch a studio film... And ignore the six other movies that came BEFORE it...

So my question is: If they go without human characters, how long can you keep interest with 2 groups of creatures who talk in growls and/or alien tongue?

As Canta says: There'll better be a lot of explosions, blood and guts... And can somebody can explain to me how they'll erect a pyramid in the middle of Antartica without nobody noticing it?

It all sounds SO ridiculous!
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JohnCarter wrote:

Oh yeah! That's right! I take things too seriously.
Not in this case. The Alien movies may be b-movies at heart, but they've also always been very 'serious' movies - especially the first 2. They believe entirely in their own universe. I have a nasty feeling that AvP just won't fit in at all.

So my question is: If they go without human characters, how long can you keep interest with 2 groups of creatures who talk in growls and/or alien tongue?
Subtitles? razz

It all sounds SO ridiculous!
Yep. unsure
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Well, a friend just sent me a link to Paul Anderson script review for AvP on Ain't it Cool News. It ain't pretty with SPOILERS galore, so consider yourselves warned:

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=16395

Here are a few choice bits:

"Though there’s no shortage of Alien and Predator throw-downs in the third act, what I think will piss off the fans is the way this script thoroughly ignores the lore of the previous films."

and

"It’s strictly about a quick score at the box office now. Judging from this script, I think it’s fair to say that Anderson’s only in it for the money, too."
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JohnCarter wrote:



As Canta says: There'll better be a lot of explosions, blood and guts... And can somebody can explain to me how they'll erect a pyramid in the middle of Antartica without nobody noticing it?

It all sounds SO ridiculous!
NOT toooooooo much. otherwise i would get hella bored. Make it like both first films. with alien make it psycho sexual horror, but then with the blood and explosions of Predator.

I guess you could make it like aliens for action with bare gun fire and the word FUCK!
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There's a human there, no?

Whatever happens, I hope it takes place throughout a long span of time like the featurette suggests. Of course, we WOULD still have some sort of records of the aliens being here....

Coldfuse, do you like the movie I Spit On Your Grave?
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Aliens and Predator are both in my top 20 movie - I love them to bits. I'm also quite a big fan of the first AVP game. This film is somewhat of a dream for me but everything I've seen so far points to it being a nightmare. Oh well, another great idea destroyed I expect. Sandy Collora (Batman Deadend) should have got this film - bet he could have done something great and kept it in the style that made the old films so great.

BTW - Have they given the rating they are aiming for, not another PG13 or something silly is it?
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Nope, unfortunately definitely PG-13, FOX wanted that as it's late summer fare and they can get all the teenagers in. So violence will be severely limited or made considerably more 'sci-fi' oriented. Once again, FOX have pretty much ensured we won't be getting the Alien or Predator sequels we wanted. The Arnie/Danny Glover Predator 3 plans would have been better.

PJ
Posted: Tue, 4th Nov 2003, 6:52am

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Uhhhh.... I think someone stated earlyer that the second predator movie linked the two series together (Aliens, Predator). If that person was reffering to the scene in which Danny Glover is on the predator ship, and stumbles into the "room filled with sculls", then i have one thing to say. That scene showed an Alien Scull! ok people.... remember.... the Aliens have exoskelotens..... not internal...yeesh. I think that Alien vs Predator is a terrible idea, and should remain a video game only. Further more, i was dissapointed with Alien 4 as it is!! yeeesh. please, i loved the Alien series, and I loved the predator series (though i didnt like 2 much). But they are dead!!! for the love of god!! leave them be!!! tard pleeease!
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Movie man wrote:

If that person was reffering to the scene in which Danny Glover is on the predator ship, and stumbles into the "room filled with sculls", then i have one thing to say. That scene showed an Alien Scull! ok people.... remember.... the Aliens have exoskelotens..... not internal...yeesh.


...so what stops it from being part of that exoskeleton?

I think that Alien vs Predator is a terrible idea, and should remain a video game only.
It started as a comic and a series of novels, the games only came a lot later. It's a proven concept, it makes a lot of sense, and it works very well. Hell, you can even through Batman in and it still works! razz
Posted: Tue, 4th Nov 2003, 2:26pm

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I seem to recall that in Aliens, you see an Alien head get smashed by a car. With no indoskeltoen. But since i havent seen Predator2 forever, i find it possible that it is a Queen scull. In fact, now that I think about it, i think it is eek Also, i liked the comics biggrin But i have an objection to this film. I seriously think that both series are dead. I loved them both, but im sick of terrible remakes at the expensive of the series, only to make money. I just think a comic is one thing, but filling a two hour slot will be difficult. It seems as though it is going to be far more of a joke, than serious like the Alien series.