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NightCast Prologue

Posted: Sat, 1st Nov 2003, 10:13pm

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This is NOT the final NightCast film, just to make sure that's clear! biggrin

This is a demo/prologue we'll use for promotional purposes. It is meant to show the quality we're able to work in and give a little insight into the character of "Harry", who will become NightCast later on.

So I hope you enjoy our little prologue movie! smile


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Posted: Sat, 1st Nov 2003, 10:16pm

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All I can say is that was awesome! It really made me want to watch the full thing right now! I did get distracted upon second viewing by a tiny amount of camera shake just before he bought out the baton but thats because I was looking for something to pick at!

This is very professional, and even included the action film cheese 'Its dangerous'.

5/5 just because I want more.
Posted: Sat, 1st Nov 2003, 10:28pm

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aww man! its divx...quicktime one please sollthar? biggrin
Posted: Sat, 1st Nov 2003, 10:32pm

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Where to start? We've got to know Sollthar's work well over the last few years. The NoControl Cinema logo has always been like a "Warning: High Quality" notice, and that's no more evident than in the NightCast prologue.

Technically I find the film hard to fault. Great cinematography with some beautiful grading and framing (love the sharp shift from orange to blue in the first 2 scenes). Perfectly-paced editing, aided by excellent shot choice. Acting is solid, with Fabian proving to be a very convincing action hero, particularly through a very good physical presence (not just in appearance, but movement as well).

And then there's the music. Aaaah, the music. Where do I start? It's as if Robin has channelled all the great superhero scores (particularly Danny Elfman's brilliant Batman score), infusing it with his own style to create something truly fantastic. Enhancing the emotion and the action at every turn, the score here is top-notch. Wonderful to hear original music in a movie on FXhome.com of this calibre.

If the purpose of this demo/prologue is to create interest in the full NightCast movie then it has succeeded!

The good:

• The music!
• Great visuals
• Compact but effective storytelling
• Convincing action
• Tight editing
• Well-placed humour
• Great overall style
• The music!!

The could-be-better:

• End credits seem a little out-of-place (could be largely due to compression, but they didn't seem to 'fit' with the opening credits and the style of the film)
• Erm, I'll get back to you...
Posted: Sat, 1st Nov 2003, 10:41pm

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eek What could I say?

A beautifull opening scene, with some beautifull legs, (sorry not your's fabio) the only lack there was the girls english, wich is the only problem in this piece. There was some great shots, with some great lightning, I will learn from the master as I just myself started to light all my scenes.
Fabio looks great (not gay way) as a superhero, he really got the style and kicks Ben Afflecs ass (and many others).
Some great music, Im sure everyone will try to nick your's to use in thiers movie, so keep it safe razz

Great Luck Marco

/Andreas
Posted: Sat, 1st Nov 2003, 10:56pm

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Thanks a lot for the comments!
(There will be other versions online soon andrew)


I'm very happy to see that you like it! Was a real hard week putting that all together. Cool the work paid off! Thanks a lot!
Posted: Sat, 1st Nov 2003, 11:00pm

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Really awesome! Except the 3D bullet and pipe bomb were kinda shiney. I love your bullet hits.
Posted: Sat, 1st Nov 2003, 11:07pm

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Wow! Dude!

Some serious effort went into this, and it shows. Everything tarn said was right on.

However there are obviously areas where it can be improved - if there weren't any, this would already be in my local cinema razz
I'm going to make my criticisms fairly anal, as i believe you're at the stage where the following points need to be addressed if you're to move up to the next rung of the ladder. The points below do *not* take into account the fact that its only a trailer, as i can't tell - obviously - if the final movie contains the same issues or not. Therefore i'm assuming it does.

1. Colour: Very nice. Orange-->blue was good, as tarn said. However i can't help thinking it was all a bit monochrome. With only one main scene on view, and in a very small area, its only fair to assume the local light-sources will create similar colours, but all the same it seemed to stand out a lot - to me at least.

2. Effects: I'm unsure if the final film is going to be batman-stylee, or real-stylee. If its the latter, try to avoid use of the smoke as much. Guns smoke, sure, but not as much, and in in reality a body doesn't smoke when its hit. Also, the smoke was too prominent when it was used. It needed some transparency to match the lighting better.

3. Acting: 99% good. All except our hero's first line. Call me a pedantic tw@t, but i can't help thinking it wasn't delivered very well. Inflection was wrong, or something. Given that it was the very first line of the main guy, i'd have thought it was something important enough to have user a better take of.

4: Props: this point is gonna be hard to improve on without major budget - the bike Fabio drives - it wasn't exactly the dog's bollocks was it? I certainly didn't think "omg, this guy is hardcore!", which is what i presume i'm meant to be thinking.

That, however, is it. The rest was really impressive!

I sense an increase in films of this calibre on Fxhome, and its all good!
Posted: Sat, 1st Nov 2003, 11:16pm

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LMAO

The Bike, yeah... Well... heh... Sometimes you gotta take what you get. biggrin



Thanks a lot for you comments! You really pointed out some good things I will definately write down for the next production!
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 12:09am

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very very good..its probly the most film like movie on this site and i didnt even think of the camera shots or anyhting because i was so into watching it which is a great thing...the only thing i think could be better are the effects such as explosions and some muzzle flashes...like the first bad guy in the beggining who was shooting from ontop of the building or whatever..his muzzle flashes could of been better...and the 3d grenades could of been made to look a little more realistic...but besides that i think this movie is great and cant wait for the finished whole movie...is the soundtrack made for the movie or taken from another movies soundtrack? because it sounds really good and works perfect with the movie
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 12:10am

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One word.... WOW! This is very good and well made.

The only think to improve for me will be the bullet and the bomb... I little too CGI. But except that this is very good.

Shadu
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 12:11am

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i just posted as the guest...i forgot to ask what camera was used to film this?
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 12:16am

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wish i could see it.. sad
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 12:20am

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Thanks!

@ streetsk8erc
I will go over the CG parts again, as there is something I must correct anyways, you're right. It is very CG.

The Music is composed for this film by my very good friend Robin Hoffmann, who did a fantastic job!

We used a Panasonic NVDX-110 to shoot the film


@shadu
Thanks! Yeah, as said. I might find time to gove over those elements again


@ Andrew
other formats are online as soon as Tarn puts them in (I'm uploading a small wmv version right now
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 12:22am

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goody!
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 1:22am

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Excellent stuff, I wasn't really expecting anything else though biggrin I thought it was all great, to improve the pipe bombs try using a more detailed texture rather than colour with a bump map and matching the lighting a bit more, and probably soften the edges with a bit of motion blur, but obviously that sort of stuff takes loads of time.

Love the bit where he hits the girl.

How does this stuff relate to the teaser, I thought that had a bit of a different style to it???
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 2:26am

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FABIAN RETURNS!!!

It's good to see an old face in a new NCCinema production.

Your projects never cease to amaze the FXhome community and I am sure the final project will be even better.

Good casting for the slow-mo bikini shot. wink

The smoke from the shots was a great effect; was that a plugin or actual smoke?

Great work to all the NCC team!

ILYKDP cool
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 3:02am

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Hey Marco!

Really neat work once again here! But I fear for you when the FXhome purists will find that you have shown a woman in her underwear! And two consenting adults kissing! Shame on you! Next thing we know you'll be showing breasts like that Power Corps creep! wink

But seriously, Marco, that was pretty nice. I'll pull a Tarn and go with categories:

The (very) Good:

- Lighting... Hard to do, especially at night, with no budget... You pulled it off in a way that, while not realistic, was still extremely convincing... Well done!

- Music... Nothing short of amazing. Robin is a very good composer. Impressive work.

- Camera work. Now, I bow my hat to you my friend. That's camera work! Good, dramatic angles, definitely conveying a comic book feel... It felt like a comic thanks to your play on perspective and your layering of the frame... Loved every frame! razz

- Directing. Efficient, solid. Straight to the point.

- Editing. Tight. Also straight to the point. Fluid.

- Film look. I don't know how you pulled it off, but it had a nice, warm film like feel to the piece. Neat!

The (not so) bad:

- Motorcycle... Not totally convincing. But as you say, we work with what we find... wink But in some cases, maybe if we don't have what we need, we should not show it... Just an idea. I felt it brought the production value down.

- Acting. Needs a bit more work in places. The intention is there, the will is too and they obviously working hard but sometimes, a little extra push seemed necessary to me... But it's nitpicking.

- End shot: Nice try with the time lapse - hard to do on video. But try to match the footage a little better. The lighting doesn't change enough, killing the effect in my opinion.


The Bad:

- CGI: probably the worst I've seen from you so far. Cartoony, somewhat mismatched lighting wise. It detracted from the nice feel of reality you've established. I felt the CG in the teaser was stronger than what's on display here. A big letdown here. Sorry if I sound harsh. You set the standards around here so we expect the best from you, Sir Marco! wink

- Titles. They need some work. Especially the end titles. They somehow look weak in comparaison with the rest of the work. Maybe some more developed graphic work is needed. Avoid repetition at the end too, I would say.

Impressive work overall. Still trying to scrape my jaw off the floor. Can't wait for the real thing! wink
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 4:47am

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eum.......I seem to be having a big problem with your movie.No, it's not bad, I haven't seen it yet. Everytime I click on the folder in which it's installed into it freezes the whole computer and everything goes wacko everytime. I finally deleted it after trying numerous times without it freezing on me. So... Is there any way I can see it? Or am I doomed for eternity!? oink
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 4:51am

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Loved what I saw and like someone else said. I wanted to watch more! I've just got one thing to badmouth and that's the sound in certain spots. I'm a sound man, so I wanna help there...

1) The suiting up - some sounds were too bassy here. Cut the low-end bass (not all) and simply add mid frequencies for better 'weight'. Lose some 300Hz part of those sounds to make them less muddy...

2) The alarm clock - it made me grab my ears in pain. Tone it down a little in volume and cut frequencies between 2-4Khz. That'll make it nicer to listen to.

I won't bother with anything else. But if this is just a demo of the main feature, then we're in for something real special.

Adam.
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 10:13am

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Thanks for all the great comments! It's nice to read funded statements to what people liked and what not and WHY. smile


@otteyPM

Yeah, I'm going over the Pipebomb again. it does have quite a CG look to it. Maybe motionblur is a good idea!

Yah, the NightCast Teaser had a bit of a different style. We're hoping to connect those in the final film.

@ilykdp

The smoke was real smoke but filmed somewhere else and added in. Sometimes it was done with the smokemachine.

@JohnCarter

Thanks for the detailed listing! Great you liked it!

Heh, well, she still does wear a bikini... yet... smile

The lighting was quite difficult and the main part where the money flowed in. We had a portable powergenerator and a collection of different lights.
Realistic lighting wasn't really the goal though, it should just look cool. As NightCast is going to be a comicfilm realism has to prepare to be bended a bit. biggrin

I did aim for a cartoony look with the CG effects, but you're right. They did turn out to look quite CG-like and I don't really got why yet.


@mod_007

Hm, odd. Try another compression. There is a Realversion and a (pretty bad) wmv version


@adam

Oh, cool. Some completely different aspects, thanks for pointing that out! Will look into that. (as you might have heard then, I'm not really a soundguy and neither is my girlfriend Michelle, who did the first part of the films audio)
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 11:05am

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Gah, now my breakfast is soggy. That was so great I couldn't even get a single mouth full in. Great again, its getting boring saying that. razz
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 11:14am

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I did have a lot to say, but it's been said already.

In a class of it's own.

I did think the star should have called for backup after his friend got shot.

The hit in the girls face was well done.
CGI is always a tricky thing and people expect the best from people, I like to look at the film as a whole and say.....
" If this is what Sollthar done with very little money, Just think what he could do with more money."

Top stuff, nuff said smile
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 11:20am

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Errr, what was that crap? I've seen better stuff than that in my toilet bowl in the morning.











Yeah right.

*Bows down*

That was just...quality. That is what it was. I would leave you with a bunch of comments but I'd only be repeating what other people have said. However I must mention the pipe bomb bit. Cos it is a really cool concept there's just something a little off about it. I think the camera jerks a little during the shot which makes the bombs path look slightly odd...

but maybe that's just me.

5 stars and an offer to bare your children smile

Cheers.
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We have seen Sollthar working first-hand and he is a man who is definitely going places. A born director, he takes control very well, and is always straight to the point which saves time and money.

It was an honour to work with Marco and Michelle and I can't wait to see what they do when someone gives them a larger budget. I also hope we get to work with them again in the future as they were two of the nicest people I have ever met.
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 11:52am

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Thanks b4!

Heh, I love the hit. Maybe it's just my weird sense of humour. smile
Yeah, as said. I do agree the pipe looks very CG. i've experimented with the material for a long time but I never really got rid of it. sad

@Fight

lol. Nice intro. I was wondering first why your name wasn't "guest" biggrin

Yeah, now you mention it. The camera does indeed shake a tiny bit... hmm... maybe thats it.

@schwar

*blushes* redface

Thank you very much for your nice words.
Even though a "same to you" always has a cheesy feel to it, I can really say that the same goes for all of you CSB people. I have been overwhelmed by your kindness and leaving a place never felt that bad before. sad

I am already looking forward to our next meeting! biggrin
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Nothing really bothered me as much as the quality (had to watch the WMV one so, yeah, pretty bad quality) But the cool thing is, the greatness came through!

The explosive thingy didnt really bother me, it just should have been a HAIR darker and a HAIR or two less shiney.

The lighting is the thing that i liked. It has been discussed a bit, but i think its awsome. I donno if this is what you were trying to do, but in every shot that Nightcast was in, it looked like something was following him. Like something is close behind, donno if thats what u wanted or not. But it looked cool!

Well done Sollthar! And let me know if there are any little children who dont speak English that i could say the lines for wink .

Well done!

Andrew
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I see it now:

"Sollthar and NoControlCinema - Raising the Standard of Amateur Movies...
Sort of Like a Cow Stuck in an Alien Tractor Beam!"
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 1:11pm

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Exclamation wrote:

I see it now:

"Sollthar and NoControlCinema - Raising the Standard of Amateur Movies...
Sort of Like a Cow Stuck in an Alien Tractor Beam!"
Sollthar and Amatuer really don't go in the same sentance...

TMM twisted
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Hey, thanks alot for the great comments about the music. I really appreciate it!

For everybody who wants to listen to the music itself, it's now available for download at my homepage:

http://www.robin-hoffmann.de/

Greetings and thanks again

Robin
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 1:33pm

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Well, what can I say that hasn't been said already? As always a high standard piece that gets it all right. Sure there are some bits that could be tweaked, but fellow FX'ers have covered those.
Great to hear an original score! Keep on inspiring!
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 3:21pm

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You your crew absolutely blew me away. It was definately not hard to give a film of such high quality 5 stars. Your carmera work amazed me and brough a realistic professional feel to the film. I was also impressed with the acting, lighting, and the sky at the end how it changes. Keep up the great works guys and I hope you go far with this film, congradulations wink
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 3:23pm

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that was so cool! man your amazing. you never stop suprizing me. lol
hands down best movie on fxhome. and man it just felt like it was a real movie, like from hollyhood. very impressive. i noticed that u got alot better at the camera shots aswell.
once agian very impresive
peace out
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just another amazing addition from me, I won't even bother writing it. biggrin
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Andrew, the new quicktime update supports divx and avi movies man. Atleast i know it does on Mac.

and im about to give me quick lil review as well.

Edit: Yea, that was pretty sweet stuff.

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is that the downloaded able quicktime, or quicktime PRO?
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I dunno, it might be pro might not, im not to sure confused
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cuz i played it on quicktime and the sound worked...thats it, just a white screen


anyone know how to help w/ out having to use the DIVX player? like is there a place that u can just get the codec file to put into Windows Media?
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Try VLC player, a free player available for Mac OSX. Plays anything.
Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 7:06pm

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So guys,
Finally I did the big step of signing in for FXHome wink and I am glad I did because it gives me the oppurtunity to say thank you!!!!

You not even know how much we (NCC) learnt through this community here, because Marco take notice of every mentioned thing and we try to improve after....

So as I started: Thank you!



And by the way I am glad that you enjoy our work... it was great fun to do, although we were freezed to death... (0°C / 32°Fahrenheit)


so, wish you guy all the best

Fabian Ramseyer
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AndrewtheActorMan wrote:

cuz i played it on quicktime and the sound worked...thats it, just a white screen


anyone know how to help w/ out having to use the DIVX player? like is there a place that u can just get the codec file to put into Windows Media?
Yeah, they hid it on the site to make you think you need the player too.

Here you go smile
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Heh, greetings Fabian!

Yeah, it was quite freezing. Not to mention the unorthodox shooting time from 9 PM to 7 AM. biggrin





Thanks again for all the great comments!
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All the nice things have been said and I agree with many, so here are some things that i believe can be improved on:

To tell you the truth, after seeing the NC Teaser, I was expecting something completely different for the prologue. They don't seem connect stylistically or visually. The lighting is much different. I found the teaser to have much more light, even in darker areas. So my next point is the lighting. Shit, it's better than i can hope for with my knowledge of light, but I still didn't enjoy it. I liked the blue shades alot, but not the orange palette. It seemed too unrealistic, it was too orange and I found it distracting.

The camera work was very unbalanced in my opinion. It seemed that you weren't sure exactly what style to keep it in and i found you jumping between the extremes, ie, a perfectly still shot into a wobbly handheld. The begining set the tone for a nice, still atmosphere, but near the end it started to break. Coming from someone who enjoys more fluid/non-tripod work, it sounds funny i know. but i believe it didn't work here.

The editing was spot on for most of it, except there were some conventions that i didn't like. There were alot of cuts where you simply moved into a tighter shot, slightly different angle and it through continuity off for a moment. The editing in bits seemed to try and confuse the mental map of the viewer, such as when NC was beating that guy up with the stick. I didn't like the editing there as many cuts seemed to be complete reverse angles with the actors framed the same, so it was kind of confusing (not as bad as the worst cut in a 2003 film...in revolutions where neo and smith are in the rain and about to punch each other and it reverses angles. horrible horrible horrible).

Other than those things, I rather liked the prologue. I didn't much have trouble for the CG element, sure you could tell it was fake, but the concept was there and it was very strong.

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Posted: Sun, 2nd Nov 2003, 8:19pm

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Wow, very good work !

The framing, lightning, music and acting was superb.
It really looks like a movie made for cinema.

Hope the full movie arrives soon smile

Greetings
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Posted: Mon, 3rd Nov 2003, 10:34am

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Excellent job! When I first saw, "The Test", I knew that you were on to something. One thing you have a gift for is, "Entertainment." Sure anyone can make a film, but it's not always easy to keep the audience attention. Although there are some technical problems with the film, over all I feel that you are starting to get into your groove-your style.

The bullet tracking was almost overused. I still think that you made good use of the AlamDV plug-ins. Personally, I think that they are best used in concert with practical effects. I know that you know that but just wanted to remind you not to use CG for the sake of CG.

The Acting was satisfactory. I'm sorry, but the girl in the beginning was kinda uglay-not a typo-nice body.

The music was done very well and fit the action and the type of genre. Yes, I did notice your foley work. That was good. But now that you are starting to pay more attention to detail, I want more. See what happens when you start to become professional?

You're good and will get better. I'm sure that with enough funding you could pull off a top notch production.

I don't try to sugar coat my comments on anything. If something sucks bigtime, trust me, i'll let you know.

Finally something that doesn't suck! Good work!
Posted: Mon, 3rd Nov 2003, 9:01pm

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Great film, I thought the attempt at a sex scene was not really needed. Kind of an attempt to have people give you a good rating without trying. Either that or you just wanted to see the lady in her underwear. Of the 2 I'm not sure which one I think it was.

Also, I think you need to work on how the characters talk. Are they german. I have a german cousin & he sounds sorta like that when he talks. Other than those things I think the film will be great when it comes out. Good work.

P.S. Less sex please. Lord knows we have enough.
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Rating: +1

steevix wrote:

P.S. Less sex please. Lord knows we have enough.
There's a limit? smile

Anyway, Sollthar I expressed my veiws on this in chat. But, if I wrote it up here, I'd surely be copying and pasting other comments.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Nov 2003, 9:14pm

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Rating: +7

P.S. Less sex please. Lord knows we have enough.
I disagree completely, the scene is about love, not sex.

It is important because it gives the main character some depth. He is not just an empty killing machine, he has reletionships, he is capable of loving and killing.

I find violence more disturbing than sex.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Nov 2003, 9:17pm

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Rating: +2

Thanks otteypm. I would have answered the exact same.
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Here, here, otteypm! Exactly what I thought about that.

Steve, you don't have to like it. But you can't tell the creator to stop putting something mildly sexy onscreen. It's his choice and I think it was a welcome change from the usual.
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Sollthar, I told you you'd get it too! biggrin

Hehehehe

The Lord works in mysterious ways indeed...

No but seriously folks, since when is it a problem to show or hint at the ultimate expression of love (as in this case) or any other situation of sexual nature? Ain't it part of life? Why is it okay to slpatter one's brains on the wall but not show female flesh? In both case ( at least as far as film goes), it's trickery and the scene is faked so where's the issue? I would imagine than killing somebody is a much worse image than a couple having consensual sex...

But I am an atheist so I must be in darkness...

In any case, I have a feeling that the scene will be necessary in the future for plot development and nothing creates more drama than conflicts linked to love... Soap operas make fortunes on the concept! And don't get me started on romantic comedies...

Keep up the good work Sollthar and ignore the bigotry...
Posted: Mon, 3rd Nov 2003, 11:26pm

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Although it has been said 40 times already, this was truly an awesome piece of work. Great job as usual Solly!! smile
Posted: Mon, 3rd Nov 2003, 11:29pm

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One, there wasnt even any sex. Two, what do u mean by we already have enough sex? No1 is submitting porns on this site. Still, its sounds funny to me hearing a guy basically saying " Eeww, i dont wanna see a good looking girl in barely any clothing, i'd rather see a guy get shot 5 times, then blown up into little peices!" Because you know, nothing is wrong with alot of sick violence, but when a girl sheds some clothing now THATS crossing the line....... ? Think about some of the violence studies. Violent behavior in films has been shown to have bad influences on mostly young males and can cause them to act violently (Im in psych right now). But i dont see any studies saying that films with girls in the nude causes girls to run around naked or anything... aaaand.. if it did... i probably wouldnt mind as much as young teens running around with guns and or knives. I mean its just some love, and if its needed to tell a story then so be it. Movies can portray real life and well... sex is pretty important in real life, if it wasnt then most of us wouldnt be here ha. So whats the big deal that a sex scene, a very mild sex scene at that, is in his movie? Its just used to help develop the story.
Posted: Tue, 4th Nov 2003, 12:12am

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"Lord knows"? who? The lord? The intangible, conveniently does-he/doesn't-he exist guy who still has his minions in the priesthood shovel his "word" under the guise of teaching, despite himself being a mythological result of a lack of scientific understanding from thousands of years ago?

somehow i wouldn't be worried about what he allegedly knows or doesn't know razz

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Posted: Tue, 4th Nov 2003, 12:19am

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Solthar,

Very, very, very well done. Like the shots, framing, timing, linked shots, transitions everything. Great CG work. I wasn't too fond of the sky at the end but that could have been the compression. Great job.

I don't know why the sex scene got off on a religious tilt but since it did hear is my thought to it. It was tastefully done and well filmed. JohnCarter's seemed to have been done for the shock value and I have never seen nudity in a trailer or teaser here in the States.

But to keep this thread on track maybe someone could start a different thread if they want to talk about sex scenes in films or religion. I have made my religious views clear before and just had to chime in that I am a Christian and they have nothing against sex and neither does God (that go forth and multiply bit was from Him wink )

Anyway.... great work Solthar and I have a couple of questions about some shots!

X
Posted: Tue, 4th Nov 2003, 1:23am

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Xcession, stereoatype any other religion, and you would be labeled a bigot. But I see it's open season on christianity...

Anyways, one other point...

Many of you talk like sex has never caused any problems, but violence can only produce evil. I guess I'm fitting into the American mold here, but I don't mind film violence, and I like a little bit of modesty in what I see on TV during the day. If it's late at night, and generally not a familiy viewing time, I don't see a problem, and having a chick in her underwear isn't a big deal. But for things like JohnCarter's trailer, I think that something like that should be appropriately labeled. I definitely don't think it's something kids should watch.
Posted: Tue, 4th Nov 2003, 1:40am

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Well, my trailer was appropriately labeled.

As somebody else pointed out, Christians have nothing against sex. I think it's open season on bigotry and people who use the "Lord" to push their views on others, hence disrespecting the very tenets of their own religion...

Please give me an example of when sex caused bad things? Except STDs (which are disease like any other) and rapes, which are violence and sex combined, sex never caused anything bad... It's the perception of it or the desire for it that causes violence and bad things.

My point is: I don't mind film sex OR violence. The point is just that: It's just a film. Everything is fake, simulated. And serves (or not) to advance a story. In the end, it's entertainment.

In this case, it is essential to the character's background and I suspect for the future of the plot as well. Same as in my movie, except it was a trailer and you only saw glimpses. 34 frames to be exact.

Sex is part of life. Violence is part of life. And movies imitate life or at least try to reproduce a reality that we interpret as life... That's why you care about a character.
Posted: Tue, 4th Nov 2003, 2:14am

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Sex is good - I like it.

I'm agnostic so I'm not worried about what anyone's god thinks.

With that out of the way I thought the video was as good as any of the stuff they show on network TV.

This is professional level stuff and without the big budget.

If you build this character and find the right pilot -- your in business.

Keep the girl too -- she's hot:)
Posted: Tue, 4th Nov 2003, 3:32am

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I only gave it a 3 because some things seemed really out of place.

First off, the good. The action was pretty badass stuff, and none of your effects looked too cheesy. I thought as far as post production goes you really kicked ass.

The mixed. I thought the lighting was a mixed bag, sometimes it was awesome and sometimes...well it wasnt. Also the acting was a mixed bag, but it definatly leads toward the better side. Some things though, like that asian guy who "briefed" him on the situation were almost laughably bad. The girl and the guy were doing a good job though.

The Bad. The scene where he puts on all the gear? It was SO out of place i thought. I swear to god at the end i thought he was gonna out on a mask, cause i thought this was a superhero movie at first. It goes in a completly different direction then the begining would have you believe.

This is all just my opinion though, and good job. cant wait to see the full thing.
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Isn't Nightcast Prologue, just that? A beginning of a comic book character? Just like "Castle" from The Punisher where we see the family get killed and he survives. Isn't that what this demo footage represents? His beginning?

Mind you, now I think about it - why do we get the suiting up bit in his "normal" state? Shouldn't that be kept for the actual point where he really does suit up as the comicbook type character? Or am I totally off? And why do I have so many rhetorical questions!? confused

Adam.
Posted: Tue, 4th Nov 2003, 6:28pm

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@Ziko

First off, thank you for your comments! But concerning your critics about the dressing up:

It is meant to be a hero, a cop with outstanding talents... and it was supposed to be in a beginnîng of a comic-style!!! SO I think it is not wrong in place!


@adam

I see where you coming from with your point about doing the dressing up scene later in the project, but you underestimate our comic-story wink

He is kind a supercop and he does not have to get one!
harry's final character, the comic hero, is a process that is going to leave him without special equipment, his body is all he needs...
there would be other points to this issue but it will reveal in the final project..... or may be sollthar has to add something?

Greets Fabz
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I get the feeling that once people see the full movie they won't have these problems with the prologue. smile
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No, I don't really have to add anything, thanks!

This Prologue is a Tech-Demo. We chose to use it as well to give a very tiny insight in the character of "Harry", who will become NightCast in the later film.

As it is a comicmovie, it needs comicelements. Wich is in this case, mostly the dressing scene. Allthough the film does not have a lot of other comicelements as "NightCast" will have, we wanted to already set the tone to a comiclevel.
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sounds pretty good then, i really cant wait to see the full thing. I am a huge comic fan, and a huge comic movie fan.

Wishing you guys luck.
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Beautiful.....absolutely....beautiful....and that 's not just the ladies.One cannot imagine that this footage is the work of amateur filmakers.This is a visual and audio treat in every aspect.
Marco and crew this is a joy to watch and I'm sure a major step towards your professional goals.........and this is not the FULL production...WOW!
EXCELLENT WORK ALL OF YOU!


O'l Dav

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Posted: Fri, 7th Nov 2003, 5:17pm

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Thanks a lot Davlin!

I appreciate your comments very much and I'm delighted by your words! Thank you!
Posted: Fri, 7th Nov 2003, 9:53pm

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When watching that, I could hear a little voice in my head saying "this guys sickeningly good".

Can't wait to see it. As you may have seen, Turicon is my number one on my top ten films list. This looks like Turicon x10.

No negative points. This could be amazing.

This was also, I point out, on the really low quality version, I think I'll just start downloading the better quality version now.

The quote "less sex please, lord knows we have enough" is going in my favourite quotes list. Hilarious. Earlier today I was down town with some mates and there was this preacher guy shouting about how "men today are filled with lust" "damn right I am" was my response. "hell yeah" was this birds response and this preachin' blokes acting like it's a bad thing. smile

Great stuff and it's good to see ol' Ramseyer in front of the camera again.
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Right, tried downloading better version. Stupid computer acting... well... stupid. It says that it could not find the appropriate compressor. I'm watching (or at least I would be) it in quicktime and just updated it, but it still won't do nothing.

Any Ideas?
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Thanks for your comment Two_Gunned! smile


Hm, the codec is DIVX 5.05. Try downloading the newest divx codec from www.divx.com
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2003, 9:15am

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greetings (it' s me, dotperinch *eg*)

sollthar: wow, that's amazing stuff ... again wink so robin told me the truth all the time ;-p ... I think I have the solution for your little cg explosives, during my work on the assault tank, I created a nice metal material, that I give you (or robin) when I am online with ICQ next weekend. And perhaps a little texturing preview of the tank himself *eg*
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SORRY>>>>SORRY>>>>>SORRY>>>>To Marco.
I've just rechecked the vote I gave....5stars.....and you're correct informing me of an error in my application of this vote....cos it's registered as ZERO....Marco and crew will thrash me to within an inch of my life for this......beware Nightcast is on the way.
I hope the CSB crew can rectify this stupid mistake of mine.
I must also apologise for the delay in this action but I've been off-line for ages.

This is definitely not my day.

O'l Dav
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Thanks Dotperinch! Yeah, the material is badly worked out, makes it look so CG! I'm glad for any help!



Heh, don't worry davlin, I have clicked the wrong thing a couple of times too. biggrin
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Been busy so I haven't had the chance to be on line or to watch many films. Glad I picked this one. One word. WOW. Loved every second of it. I have yet to see a single film you've put on this site or your home webpage that I didn't like Sollthar. Would love to see the final version.
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Can't say I'm surprised. I mean, it's from NCC. Good work once again. Anything I could say has already been said. Um.....snooch to the nooch?
Posted: Sat, 15th Nov 2003, 7:55am

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damn this guy is good man that was really enjoyable, i think you are a master in lighting that look so good that was shot with the xl1? amazing looking man
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Thanks!

It was actually shot with a Panasonic NVDX-110, wich is a 3CCD cam, but not as good as the XL1 in picturequality unfortunately.
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What an amazing looking film. Great actors. They looked and acted their parts perfectly. Unbelievable. The visuals, effects, and editing are really on a whole new level. surprised Congratulations. wink
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Can you give us an insight into how you set your lights? Amazingly, or not, I too was thinking of a generator and three lights! Would be nice to get some info on how you've used them.

Adam.
Posted: Sun, 16th Nov 2003, 7:01am

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yeh it had to be a 3 chiper, looks really good i just looked up the camcorder thought it would look more indieish but it looks more home camcorder, anyway cool stuff if u say the xl1 is better how come u didnt use it? i like the canon xl1 it looks really cool, question this panasonic vs canon gl1 what u think is better?
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Hey Charlie! Great to see you joining the onlinecommunity! How have you been?
Thank you very much for the nice words! They are highly appreciated coming from you! Thanks a lot!


@adamlightandmagic

Well, we had a couple of light with different warmth (The light blue ones actually being installed at the location) and two warm orange ones to carry around and power with the generator, We really just moved things around until I was happy with what I saw through the camera. smile

@QB

The XL1 is just better in picturequality, I actually hate that cam. I used it for my feature film and will never use it again.
The main reason why we didn't use an XL1 though is pretty simple: I don't have one, I have a Panasonic cam. smile

I don't know the GL1 unfortunately, so I can't tell. But as I said. Personally, I don't like the XL1 one bit.
Posted: Mon, 17th Nov 2003, 12:05am

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Sollthar did like our XM2 (GL2 USA) quite a bit I think. The quality on that is great.
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As Sollthar already knows... I also find the XL1's extremely vulgar to use, they seem to only work as cameras worthy of filming when they are cemented into a tripod which is then surgically attached to the ground. However I have had brief experience with an XM2 and they are a lot nicer to pick up and move about while shooting, even for doing test shots.

Its a shame a camera with such a flawed design (in my opinion) is allowed to be so popular over its beautiful brother (the XM2).

smile

As for the prologue, its awesome biggrin (as i've already said but hey, gotta stay on topic)
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Yeah, the XM2 looked great! Much more pleasant to handle and the picturequality seemed fantastic! (yet I only saw it on Tarns tiny TV) wink

I might get one of those, I really liked it.
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Sollthar wrote:

Yeah, the XM2 looked great! Much more pleasant to handle and the picturequality seemed fantastic! (yet I only saw it on Tarns tiny TV) wink
I have a proper TV now, you'll be pleased to hear. smile

But, yes, we'e always been very impressed wtih the XM2. It retains the general dimensions of a good quality camcorder, which I like purely due to familiarity and mobility, but I'm not overkeen on the menustructure - setting up the camera can be a nightmare.

I might get one of those, I really liked it.
What, a tiny TV? smile
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Okay Sollthar, you asked for comments from a complete novice, so this is what you get biggrin

Snitch Vs Nightcast
Why did I give Snitch 4 and you a 3? Well, ok, yes your camera work, lighting, etc is really good, but to be honest I found the film quite slow and it's very much like loads of others in the archives.
The camera work in Snitch could have been a lot better, but some of the shots were a lot more interesting (eg. camera appearing to move through the doors).

I realise this is an FX community, but it doesn't matter how good the FX in a film are if the film doesn't grab your attention. I found this film so typically like all the other films on this site. Guy with a gun, killing bad guys. Which in itself is not a bad thing, but the pace just seemed to drag a bit. Snitch had very few FX, but it caught and, more importantly HELD my attention.

The fight scenes in Snitch have more energy in them, where as yours appear to be uninteresting "just shoot everyone". At one point Fabiens gun runs out of bullets and he has to hit a bad guy with his stick. Great, but then his gun suddenly has bullets again so he can shoot the guy with the bombs. Maybe I blinked and missed something.

You also have two things that cannot be forgiven:-

1) Blatent use of a girl in underwear. Great for the pervs (I include myself in that title), but not necessary for the film smile. As with a lot of the films on this site, it appears as if you have fallen into the trap of using girls as window dressing/set decoration. Maybe for the full movie you could give one of them a bit of character.

2) Cool biker dude, black boots, black gloves, black clothes, even a black gun............. and then a silver crash helmet...ahhh. As a biker of some 15 years I have to tell you this is a no, no biggrin


Sorry if this seems a bit harsh, but I'm just trying to be honest. Also, remember, everyone has different tastes. There is only one person whose opinion you should be interested in................ your own.

It's obvious you have a talent and great passion for making films, but hopefully you don't make them just to hear other people tell you how great you are, you make them because you love making them.

If other people like them, then that's a bonus, but I make films because I enjoy doing it, it's something Slayer and I can do together and it's good fun biggrin

All in all, I got more entertainment from Snitch. Therefore, Snitch got the 4 and you got the 3. Sorry smile

Hope this all makes sense and please keep talking to me in the chat room biggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin


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Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2003, 12:41pm

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steevix wrote:

Great film, I thought the attempt at a sex scene was not really needed....you just wanted to see the lady in her underwear......P.S. Less sex please. Lord knows we have enough.
Sollthar, I've just been reading some of the other posts and came across the one from Steevix (quote above) and all the related posts from everyone else.
I just want you to know that, even though I commented on the same thing, it wasn't for the same reasons.
I have no problem with sex or naked women in films (the more the better biggrin ). Reading through the other posts I now realise that you were trying to portait a more emotional side of your main character. Unfortunately, I have to say that this doesn't come across in the film. Whatever you were TRYING to show, all that came across to me was the excuse to have a semi naked woman in your film.

As I've said before, everyone sees things differently, so don't read too much into my comments. Looking through the forum it appears that everyone else got it, so maybe it's just me and Slayer.

Perhaps if you want to show a more loving relationship you could use a more realistic scene. Don't go with the typical "naked girl" sex scene and perhaps use a romantic meal, or show them cuddled up on the sofa watching the tele....... you know, like real couples do smile . This might show a more human side of your character.

Right, I'll shut up now, or I'll waffle on for hours. hugegrin

Look forward to the full film.

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Really nice! That shooting shot was nice...., and actors was really great....,
Maybe it can be longer, but it`s ok....,

4 Stars from me!

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Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 6:39am

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What did you use to achieve the blood effects when the "bad-guy" is shot...[the part with the slow-mo bullet near the truck.] And also, how did you do the choppy spin move around the motorcylce? Thanks so much, and keep up the GREAT work! smile


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Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 12:24pm

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The blood effect actually is the AlamDV blood squirt plugin. smile


The spin around was a huuuugely complicated technique... well.. actually, I ran around him and adjusted the footage. smile
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2004, 1:33am

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That was pretty flawless, I loved it.

The spin around the bike was probably my favourite bit. Top stuff.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2004, 11:54am

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... Awsome ...

camera, lighting, sound was VERY good.

Allthough the "slowmotion bullets" and pipebomb could need some improvements.

Very professional work, good acting.

How did you make the widescreen format (I know how to, but there is many ways to to it, and I'm trying to find the one with best quality).
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jan 2004, 11:49pm

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Thank you!!


The Widescreen format is actually fake. In this version, it just has been cropped to this size and in the original, there were black bars added to a normal 4:3 picture.
Posted: Sat, 24th Jan 2004, 2:14pm

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Solthar, as always, your movies never dissappoint - excellant work from you and your crew!
Posted: Thu, 29th Jan 2004, 6:23pm

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URRRR.....?
Posted: Fri, 20th Feb 2004, 2:05am

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Hi,

really an awsome movie!

I am very new to the topic of filming so I have one question: Did you really shoot all your material at night or was the night effect done in postproduction?

Thank you,

mausbaer
Posted: Fri, 20th Feb 2004, 7:37am

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Pretty good. The lighting was top notch, as was the camera work. the acting was also pretty good, And the later scene with the sneaking up and killing that guy with the baton/knife was a great parody of 80's action movies, i can see you guys know about subtle humor. Great job. But the earlier one was even cooler, probably because it had nonstop serious action as opposed to any parodying. Thumbs up though.
Posted: Thu, 18th Mar 2004, 2:03am

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Good, But I would rather hear it in german and read subtitles, because the accents kinda threw me off.
Posted: Thu, 18th Mar 2004, 2:28am

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i love the accents! not to be off topic, but solthar wouldnt be the same without the accents, and i assume the same for this film
Posted: Thu, 18th Mar 2004, 3:02am

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I agree with guest, I would love to have the original German w/subtitles. It seemed like really bad acting with the dubbing, and I would love a chance to brush up on my German. smile

But great job either way. Although I couldn't get the divx version to play on my pc for some reason in divx player, so I had to watch in crappy Windows Media. sad
Posted: Thu, 18th Mar 2004, 6:22am

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Heh. well, we shot it in english directly. There isn't a german version.
One of the actors is american, so he can't even speak german. smile
Posted: Thu, 18th Mar 2004, 8:49pm

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Oh. Well that's the crappy Windows Media again for you. smile
Posted: Fri, 30th Apr 2004, 10:06am

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the main actor is the best nerd i ever seen.He really dont know how to boxe.the film is pretty good
Posted: Sun, 2nd May 2004, 4:25am

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Did you use real squibs when the guy got shot or was that digital smoke? It looked great.
Posted: Sun, 2nd May 2004, 9:18am

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It was digital smoke. I used the smoke-effects we sell as stockfootage on http://www.nccinema.ch - They're great to simulate squibs and ricochets.
Posted: Sat, 18th Jun 2005, 11:33pm

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Posted: Tue, 8th Nov 2005, 11:37pm

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Likked it A lot... Really looking forward for the complete version of the Movie... Keep on doing this.. you're pro LoL... wink
Posted: Wed, 20th Dec 2006, 4:53pm

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One word: Awsomeness!!!
That was a brilliant movie, the music was top notch and the grading was just, wow!

Only 2 points to improve on:
1)The english of the bikini wearing woman.
2)The CG stuff.

But a 5 from me none the less
Posted: Fri, 31st Oct 2008, 11:28am

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No need to complain but the link to the movie
seems to be broken

Can you fix that Solthar?
Posted: Sat, 1st Nov 2008, 8:04am

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Works fine here. Maybe a temporary server overload or something... unsure
Posted: Sat, 8th Nov 2008, 11:41am

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Sollthar wrote:

Works fine here. Maybe a temporary server overload or something... unsure
Well that "temporary" overload seems like it is permanent

I wish i could see your awesome short film like the rest sad