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Matrix Revolutions Opinions

It was good.63%[ 25 ]
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Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 1:46am

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I thought the movie was amazing. Def kept me on the edge of myseat and showed me things that I didnt think it would. Has any1 else seen it? And what did u think of it? I know my review is short but im eating right now as well, i'll add more later ha.

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Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 1:54am

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I am about to see it tonight.
Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 2:05am

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Hey

some people already said their opinion in the Revolutions Blue sky post


I liked it

some didn't make any relevance to the sotry...ie the french guy and the trianman... then ending was kinda wierd

*SPOILER*

if the machines have been trying to kill the poieple for 100 years then why the hell would they agree to have peace with them all of the sudden when neo mentions smith for the first time?


*END of spoiler*

Overall i thought it was a pretty good film

-MAGIC
Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 2:12am

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Blast, I spend half an hour typing my topic on and off and by the time I finally get around to finishing it there already is one. Oh well... confused

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Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 3:07am

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haha, i agree magic man. I didnt really get that either.
Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 3:12am

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haha i found out now its because it links it to reloaded..read the other matrix post


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Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 3:17am

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Magic_man12 wrote:

Hey
*SPOILER*

if the machines have been trying to kill the poieple for 100 years then why the hell would they agree to have peace with them all of the sudden when neo mentions smith for the first time?


*END of spoiler*
They were aware of Smith and his growing power all along. Neo didn't just bring him up. In the original script, the 'Big Head' doesn't agree, but machines come out of the underwork and convince him that Smith is growing beyond their control and would soon take over even the machine city. I'm not sure why they cut it down. Either way, they knew Neo was the only one that could stop Smith and save the machine world. (Once again reiterating on the fact that machines need humans to survive and vice versa from Reloaded)
Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 3:21am

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Hmm....

well....the peices seem to be falling into place nicely now dont they.........haha

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Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 7:24am

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SPOILER

Neo had half of Smith inside of him from when he destroyed him in the first movie...Smith had half of Neo inside of him from the same encounter...The machines needed the full "Smith Code" in order to find Smith in the Matrix and destroy him...When Neo figured out that the war could only be stopped by his death he gladly obliged because he had nothing more to live for...

Now to answer the other question...If you have seen all of the Animatrix movies you would know that the machines wanted nothing more than to be friends with the humans...to be accepted as equals...The machines didn't need the humans for power but they continued using them to further the measure of control and continue balancing the equation...Neo coming to the machines so frankly was what they wanted...he told them that he was the only answer to the equation and that if they didn't listen all would be lost...The Mainframe calculated his chances and figured WTF...

END SPOILER

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Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 7:57am

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Revolutions was awesome! The ending was fitting but a little sad, sad

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So, did Neo die??? Did the oracle prophesize his return if the war begins again?

and one last thing, was it just me, or did Agent Smith call the Oracle his mother? (I heard him say "mom")

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Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 8:17am

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Well Neo did in fact die in a physical sense...but he will return if the War starts up again...Agent Smith did call the Oracle "Mom"...for she is the mother/the matriarch of the Matrix...

Oh I wanted to point out one more thing...Trinity HAD TO die for the war to end...Neo couldn't live without her...and had she lived there is no way he would have become a martyr for the greater good.

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Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 9:12am

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Rating: +1

"Well Neo did in fact die in a physical sense...but he will return if the War starts up again" < How do you know this?

Who knows if Neo died, while his body was moving away they did a random shot in Neo electrical vision mode which means he could still be alive - one of the many questions that they didn't bother answering.

The only good bit was the Zion battle, which was quite stunning (while people were not talking) although still scattered with randomness. For instance, if the EMP is "the only weapon we have against the machines" why didn't they have loads installed at Zion, or at least 1?

The rest of the film was dire - the Neo Smith fight was just silly. One second they have the power to hit each other 1/2 a mile (through a building), the next the hit each other like regular people (a couple of feet into a muddy puddle). Yet again the digital doubles were randomly poor.

The lobby remake was rubbish as well - Matrix Regurgitated more like. Where did all the slow-mo come from in the last 2 films? The first film used it to enhance stuff, this one used it all the time. Whats with Morpheus shooting baddies point blank (and them shooting back) and nobody getting hit?. What was the point of the Trainman, must be up for most pointless character in a film ever.

Another thing, so according to the Animatrix in the wars we tried to kill every robot ever - hence the big battles beginning. Since they took the planet and enslaved the human race they have harvested our bodies, and fed the dead to the living (which they are still going to do) but humans are now fine with this - all is forgiven as long as they let out a few people who reject the Matrix. Thats just rubbish - the human race wouldn't work like that ever!

I was hoping they would pull something out of the bag that could answer all the questions they tried to set in the dire Revolutions but no, they ignore everything and just go for more rubbish.

Although I'm not a huge fan of the first film, compared to the last 2 its a masterpiece. What a waste of time, I could have been watching Finding Nemo again!

"The war is over, the war is over... Repunsel!"

Bring on Return of the King...
Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 10:42am

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The ending was probably the most ludicrous thing I've ever seen. History has shown us that humans will wage war over the smallest, most insignificant things. Bitter hatreds can last hundreds of years - as evidenced in some parts of the world even today.

However, the reasons for the hatreds that exist in the real world today pale in comparison with the situation put forth in the Matrix trilogy. Humans create robots. Robots get a bit too clever, so humans set about organised genocide to completely rid the world of robots - the Nazi illusions weren't exactly subtle in the Animatrix. The robots then manage to strike back, enslaving the entirety of mankind and feeding off them for energy. The dead are liquified and used as food for the enslaved humans, and new humans are bred in giant fields.

Now, I'd say there's enough history on both sides there to result in them being a slight bit miffed with each other. A peace would hold about half an hour, until the first human ends up in the same room with a robot and smashes it to pieces. It's absurd, and only a complete lack of understanding of the very basics of how humans work could lead to anyone thinking that ending is halfway decent.

The rest of the film was plain dull for the most part - the fights were slow (and made even slower due to massive over-use of slomo) and embarassing half the time. The acting was plain awful, except for a couple of actors. The dialogue was as pretentious, overblown and empty as in Reloaded.

What shocked me the most was my total detachment during Trinity's death. It had absolutely no effect on me at all. In the first film, I really liked these characters. I was worried for Morpheus when he was captured, and when Neo saved Trinity as she fell out of the helicopter I was on the edge of my seat. But now, as she dies, all I can wonder is when the film is going to end.

HOWEVER - and this is a big however - there was one sequence that was, perplexingly, in a totally different league.

The battle for Zion. Astonishing stuff. I mean, truly one of the most incredible things I've ever seen in the cinema. My jaw was on the floor throughout, I was excited, tense, nervous, upset when characters died, thrilled when the captain guy was kicking squiddy ass, amazed by the visuals and sound - the whole sequence was brilliant. It reminded me of how I felt when I first saw the first film back in '99.

If only films 2 and 3 had been like that all the way through, instead of being confined to a 20-minute segment. A great shame.
Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 1:06pm

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Revolutions was a great disappointment. It was full of cliche & stereotype.

Things that made me groan:
- the little cutesy girl
- the Indian guy ("love is only a word")
- the Link/Zee lucky pendant thing
- saccharine happy sunset ending ("I made it for Neo")
- Trinity's 10 minute goodbye speech (well it felt that long anyway)
- the whole thing with the Kid & the captain, I knew the Kid was going to get on one of those machines (rip-offs from Aliens) EDIT: (what seem like rip-offs from Aliens) 30 minutes before he actually did
- following on, cheesy lines like "I never finished the training program" & "neither did I".

Things that I liked:
- Zion fights (though it was overlong)
- Monica Belluci (not enough of her, although we did get to see quite a bit of her wink )
- the aerial combat scene, even though I've been working on a film that has 3 aerial combat scenes that I imagined to be how it has been done in Revolutions...Grrr. Now when it comes out people will say I've nicked ideas from the Matrix.


All in all, I disliked it far more than I liked it. The Matrix is still my favourite of the 3, & seeing 2 & 3 makes me wish that they'd left it at that.

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Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 1:10pm

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Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 1:12pm

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Mellifluous wrote:

- the whole thing with the Kid & the captain, I knew the Kid was going to get on one of those machines (rip-offs from Aliens) 30 minutes before he actually did
Argh! Aliens didn't invent mech robots that enhance humans! Everyone keeps going on about Aliens as if it was the first to think of it.

The earliest I know of is Starship Troopers, which was written (I think) back in the 50s. Then you have all kinds of Japanese manga stuff that features mechs like that. You've even got the mechwarrior games.

The thing in Aliens was just a cargo loader! It was a fork lift truck with legs - hardly the same thing.

I agree with the rest of your points, but the Aliens thing keeps annoying me whenever people bring it up. smile
Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 1:22pm

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Bad mistake, it's just they look so similar even if they do have different roles!
Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 1:26pm

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Has anybody worked out why Neo was unplugged from the Matrix at the start, as normal, even though the last time we saw him he was lying comatose on the medical table, and the whole point was that he wasn't physically connected?
Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 1:28pm

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I was wondering that, but I expected he went back with the Trainman, then woke up from the coma, then jacked in to see the Oracle - still would have been nice to show this. Its a chumpy film, what can you expect...
Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 1:31pm

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It's been bugging me intellectually, but the obvious explanation wins...bad continuity?!
Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 1:41pm

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Hey


The whole neo being jacked in even though hes on the table with nothing connected to him is weird

only thing i can think of is in reloaded when he stops the sentinals with his mind it throws him in between the two because he did soemthing you shouldn't be able to do in the real world


Tarn, when you said about the human emotion thing, about wanting to kill the machines even with peace...i agree with that, totally human idea. However, revolutions does manage to capture human emotions well.
When Trinity explains she would die for Neo or do antyhing for him, i beleive that is a true human feeling (if you are in love that much), same with the Link and Zee thing when she is getting the shells ready, i see that as human, as i can see love doing that to people very easily.
I think it captures human emotions well.
But we never do see a human walk into a room with a sentinal by itself do we? The film leaves it open at the end - so when you say they dont capture real human actions or emotions, technically they do, because you never see what happens AFTER peace occurs, and i feel they do get it very well with the love stories occuring



-MAGIC
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I think emotions were only ever touched on in a very blatent Disney style way. As for the idea that 5 mins after the film ends the war starts again, that just makes all 3 films even more worthless.
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Magic_man12 wrote:

When Trinity explains she would die for Neo or do antyhing for him, i beleive that is a true human feeling (if you are in love that much)
Without wanting to come across as a cynical old grump, that's mostly a load of cobblers. smile The natural human instinct to do is run away. Natural human instinct is to save yourself. What's unusual -and heroic - is when people overcome that to fight beyond themselves. Which is what the characters like Trinity/Neo etc do.

However, the average population of Zion are not heroes. They're just ordinary folk. And the first moment they see a vulnerable robot, they will beat its circuits inside-out. Just the way it goes.
Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 1:48pm

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One idea I had is that Trinity was predetermined to love Neo...the Oracle said she would...is it really love then?
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I really don't think there is that much to it. I think they have left all this stuff open because they could really work out the story that well themselves and have just left it open for everyone else to make up.
Posted: Thu, 6th Nov 2003, 1:53pm

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Continuity problem is an understatement......I'm really pissed about this one. twisted

I'm glad I brought this up here.

It's been buggin me all night (I saw it last night)......I thought it was just me and I missed something (ie, one of the crew said "plug him in while he's unconscious"). How could they have missed that.......why would we "assume" anything......Schwar is right, totally sloppy film-making. I've hutned everywhere for an explanation and I can't find one.....I still loved the movie but I think this kind of "mistake" is unacceptable when you're playing with a $100 million + budget.

This is almost as problematic as the lack of explanation for Cypher contacting the agents in the first film........if the operators can read the code and constantly track movement in the Matrix how the hell was he able to:

1) Jack in by himself ?
2) Meet with an agent undetected ?

I know all films are ripe with errors so I prefer to remember all three movies in a positive light rather than piss and moan like a little kid so I'll shut up on this one now.

I haven't read a single post here yet that doesn't make a valid arguement (not that my opnion on that matters anyway). Revolutions was missing two essential ingredients in my book that would have made it movie of the year:


1) A wicked Bullet Time fight
2) Monica Bellucci's top coming off (quite possibly the hottest woman EVER!!!!!)

Thanks for the chat fellas. Always a pleasure.

-Neo

PS - I'm suffering from Avatar shrinkage.......painful..... redface

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Tarn wrote:

Magic_man12 wrote:

When Trinity explains she would die for Neo or do antyhing for him, i beleive that is a true human feeling (if you are in love that much)
Without wanting to come across as a cynical old grump, that's mostly a load of cobblers. smile The natural human instinct to do is run away. Natural human instinct is to save yourself. What's unusual -and heroic - is when people overcome that to fight beyond themselves. Which is what the characters like Trinity/Neo etc do.

However, the average population of Zion are not heroes. They're just ordinary folk. And the first moment they see a vulnerable robot, they will beat its circuits inside-out. Just the way it goes.
Yeah, many films project very stilted views of humanity & human nature, very idealistic etc. that are pretty out of touch with the reality. There are exceptional cases. People like to think they would sacrifice themself for others & generally really altruistic but are they?
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Dammit. That's just not how I invisioned one of my favorite series coming to an end. Although if you look back to the "Revolutions prediction" topic, I actually got a lot right.

**SPOLIERS**

The Good

The battle for Zion
The Hammer chase sequence
The Machine City
Most of the Smith battle
Smith being punched in the face
When they fly above the clouds
Seraph
Coat-Check Fight
The Black Cat

The Bad

Neo gets Blinded
Trinity Dies
Some cheesy one-liners
Bane(Worst.Character.Ever)
The new Oracle(nothing in particular, I realize they needed to replace the actress who died, but, idk...)
The Trainman
Trinity calls The Merovingian, "Merv"
Hell Night Club (Those people were freaky wink )
NEO DIES
Link's joyous, and very girly, scream
Kid ( Just because I think I would have made a better Kid)

THE TERRIBLE

NO FREAKING RAGE SONG AT THE END!!! WTF?!
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Neo wrote:

1) A wicked Bullet Time fight
Yeah, shame films 2 and 3 didn't have anything as innovative and cool as the bullet-time bits in the first film - like when it does that zoom-close-up on Morpheus' ankle as he gets shot in the room just before jumping.

In fact, what happened to all the nice comic book angles, like the shot from high on the building, looking down as the rain falls, and the bridge with the water pouring off it. The first film is full of really nice cinematography.
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SPOILER



Why were people let down about Neo's death? That was seemingly all I heard about as we left the theatre. The Matrix does, after all, retell the story of Jesus Christ. It is interesting to note here that when he dies he is in the position of crucifixion. Viewing the movie with that interpretation seemed to forgive many of the grievances about the movie previously mentioned on this post, but that is just me.
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Megasteakman wrote:

Why were people let down about Neo's death? That was seemingly all I heard about as we left the theatre. The Matrix does, after all, retell the story of Jesus Christ. It is interesting to note here that when he dies he is in the position of crucifixion.
Yeah, that was really subtle. razz

Neo dying didn't annoy me at all. I'm a real sucker for self-sacrifice in movies. Although the technobabble way in which he sacrificed himself kinda nulled the actual moment.

Didn't help that it wasn't even entirely clear whether he was dead or not.
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Agreement again.

I didn't mind that Neo croaked. In fact, it was almost "poetic" (the flaming crucifix emminating from his chest, not to mention the JC pose of his corpse). Trinity had to die, you knew that was coming after Reloaded. The whole "agent Smith in the real world" was pointless except to work the "blind man with sight" metaphor into the film. They should have "shown" Neo crank him on the head just for the "R" rating!!! wink

Like you've all said, there is a lot of stuff that seems thrown in just for the sake of "trying" to be philosophical. While the Wachowski's may not be "philosophers", you can't blame them for trying. If nothing else, the film is different. You gotta love that. I sure do.

Incidentally, did anyone catch a glimpse of the "nipple tweaking" in the Merovingians club.....he......he....he..... crazy

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I am puzzled.

After seeing Reloaded, where it was obvious that the filmmakers had lost the "magic" of the first opus, you would be hard pressed to make me lose $15 to go see Revolutions knowing that they were shot back to back. Disappointement could only be the end result. Even the Revolutions trailer sucked!

Reloaded gave me the impression that it was a rushed, patched together script made to capitalize on the mountain of cash they made off the first one. That was it for me. There was no creativity in Reloaded, just more of the same times ten until you got sick to your stomach. And when they started hiding behind the psychobabble because they realized they couldn't possibly live up to the expectations they had created, well, I knew then I should keep my money in my pockets for the sequel...

I just don't understand why some of you didn't, since you claim to not be fans? And in Scwar's case, not even liking the first one?
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I'm interested in films in a general sense, so I try to see as much as I can. That includes a lot of the rubbish, unfortunately. I watch films for lots of reasons - entertainment being the primary one, of course. Another it to learn filmmaking techniques. Another is simply to gain knowledge of the state of cinema and cinema history. The Matrix trilogy is an important part of cinema history, for good or ill...
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Definitely for ill it seems Tarn...

Too bad - seems to me it's a major missed opportunity. Because the first one, while not perfect (no movie is), had managed an original synthesis of genres. It was not innovative (a lot of influence from Mangas and other stuff done before), but it married things well in a visually refreshing way.

Seems to me the Wachowski's ate up more than they could chew...

Too bad.
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Agreed completely. The Matrix trilogy is the biggest missed opportunity in film history that I can think of off the top of my head... neutral
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....how about Episode I & II.
Talk about missed opportunities........the horror.
(I know I'm setting myself up for pain now.........)
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I dont think Episode 3 will be that big of a let down, because in a way we already know what happens, its just how its going to be showed. So ya cant really be let down by story ha. But thats a whole diff. topic.

And people say that the initial instint for humans is to run and not be a hero. But i can tell u the damn truth, If that were one of my parents or sum1 i loved who needed me help in a life or death situation like that, i know i would be there in a second. It shouldnt even be a matter of thought. And thats what Link and whatsherface did.
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CX3 wrote:

And people say that the initial instint for humans is to run and not be a hero. But i can tell u the damn truth, If that were one of my parents or sum1 i loved who needed me help in a life or death situation like that, i know i would be there in a second. It shouldnt even be a matter of thought. And thats what Link and whatsherface did.
Yes, I like to think the same about how I'd react.

Have you ever actually been in a situation like that, though? 'Cos I haven't, and I get the feeling that I have no idea how I'd really react until I was actually in a situation that forced me to make the decision.
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I agree........self preservation can be a pretty powerful emotion......history clearly shows that some people will "pull the trigger" on a loved one just to stay alive while others would gladly sacrifice themselves.......

I'm happy never to have faced (and hopefully) never will face such a challenge/situation.

Nobody wants to tackle the "Nipple Tweaking" huh.....? he....he.....

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Who said Neo Dies????

They've certainly left enough options to make another one - However, i'd be suprised if they did.
I certainly WASN'T Dissapointed, and I don't understand how people can't respect it. Some scenes were visually amazing, but I agree with things like "the Lobby remake scene was poor." and they have sort of lost the 'cool' quality of the first film. I'd have liked one of those Reloading things in MaxPayne 2 - that'd been cool. Anyway, I'm not gonna go on and on but still.. the people who said it was 'crap', what would have you done to make it better??????

And why the hell do people like LOTR so much? To be honest, I prefur Braveheart.
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Decent actors/script/dialogue would be a start.
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TAP2 wrote:

Anyway, I'm not gonna go on and on but still.. the people who said it was 'crap', what would have you done to make it better?????
1. Reduced the number of nasty digital double shots.

2. Re-written almost every single line of dialogue in films 2 and 3.

3. Recast almost every role.

4. Re-structured films 2 and 3 completely (probably making them just a single film).

5. Removed all the technobabble solutions (how do we defeat Smith? Let him absorb you! Then he'll, like explode in light. And so will everyone else, somehow!).

6. Shortened the Smith-Neo fight, or done something more interesting with it.

7. Lengthened the battle for Zion and given it more structure, and more mech fighting.

8. Improved the kung fu, or done something more interesting with it.

9. Removed the Merovignian and all the largely irrelevant characters and plot diversions (or integrated them better).

10. Made a far more satisfying final reel.

11. Removed the horrible sunset ending (which reminded me all too much of the deleted scene ending to Terminator 2 - which was left unused precisely because it was rubbish!).

12. Given the main characters more screen time.

13. Given Morpheus a better send-off.

14. Removed Agent Smith from films 2 and 3 (!).

15. That's enough for now...
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Ok - I wasn't expecting anyone to give such a big list. biggrin
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Heh, sorry about that. I hate being negative about stuff this much - I'd much rather love a film than hate it. I think the reason I'm so annoyed about this is for two reasons - 1. it's such a big missed opportunity, because the Matrix trilogy should be something I absolutely LOVE and 2. the battle for Zion shows how cool everything could have been, but wasn't.

All in my opinion anyway. smile
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It's always a good thing when you go into a movie expecting something really crappy and find it almost a chore to sit in your seat for an hour before the actual show starts but once you get out of your seat those 2+ hours, you realize you were entertained and actually enjoyed many parts of the movie.

This happened with Revolutions to me last night. After seeing Reloaded earlier in the year, I thought it was mediocre crap and that Revolutions was headed in the same way. So, I kept my expectations really low and didn't plan on paying for it after Reloaded. Luckily, my dad wanted to see it and he paid, so I didn't mind.

Right, trailers finish and the green WB screen comes up, to my surprise, nobody in the soldout, 444 seat theatre cheered much like was done for Reloaded and even Episode 2 a while back. I didn't hear a single sound, except maybe for a few seats shuffling. In fact, until a very cliched joke about 20 minutes into the movie, not a single audience sound was heard. Not that the audience was drawn into the movie, but more because nothing happened. You can cut down the first 30 minutes into 5 and you won't miss anything.

So I'm sitting there, trying to care about the characters but it was pretty difficult since the Wachowski brother's decided it would be a good idea to introduce a handful of new characters without any real backgrounds to them and expect us to believe they are important.

Aside from the rather poor begining and overall dry plot, the action in Zion saves this film (well, that helps the film, but it's really Hugo Weaving's performance that saves the day). It's just cool. Not the original cool of the first Matrix, but a new kind of "let's blow shit up" cool. I admit, the mech-warrior things look better than they did in Reloaded and you quickly forget about the imperfections of thier design. Like Bad Boys II had me going "woah", there were some really cool "woah" moments in Revolutions as well.

The biggest problem I found with Revolutions was the pacing. A lot of scenes had no flow and transition between them. There could be a big action that had just occured in the Zion's hangar and the next cut is a perfectly still (boring) shot of the council, talking. Things like this break you away from the narrative and make you go, "wtf?" The film couldn't decide at what pace to transitionalize so instead it just cut between scenes.

Aside from many problems in the narrative, acting, even visual effects the film satisfied me with a good 2/3 of the movie. Not a very good movie, but not a very bad one either. Like me, just expect something poor and you should be pleaseantly entertained.

3 out of a possible 5 stars.
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I have not seen the movie...But I must say I disagree with the attitude of "go in expecting shit, and you'll be pleasantly surprised." Not that you should believe all the hype, but I do feel that a film should at least give you the hope that it will be decent enough for you to anticipate it coming out, and you enjoying it. If I have to lower my standards and anticipate a movie and make myself think that it will be pure crap, then maybe the movie wasn't worth seeing in the first place...
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sfbmovieco wrote:

I have not seen the movie...But I must say I disagree with the attitude of "go in expecting poo, and you'll be pleasantly surprised." Not that you should believe all the hype, but I do feel that a film should at least give you the hope that it will be decent enough for you to anticipate it coming out, and you enjoying it. If I have to lower my standards and anticipate a movie and make myself think that it will be pure crap, then maybe the movie wasn't worth seeing in the first place...
I totally agree with that. You shouldn't drop your standards as it sets a precedence for accepting future crap with our hard earned cashola. I felt that way with Episode II. As the "axiom goes, you can't polish a turd" or perhaps "never squeeze five pounds of sh*t into a two pound bucket".

I also never let a crowd sway me if it can be avoided. I was totally surprised by this Trilogy and I wonder if opinions might change in a year or so once everyone has had a chance to appreciate that the Wachowskis simply refused to conform to the classic hollywood SFX script and deliberately scripted a cryptic epic once they had roped us in with the first film. I honestly believe, having seen them interviewed a few times, that they made this movie knowing the outcome of the "philosophy" behind the madness and the effect that it would have on the audience. I don't buy that this was written on the fly.
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Ok.......new twist.......a friend just saw it and he pointed out something kinda crazy that I missed last night.

There are 23 survivors at the end of the film (shown on screen....there might be more.....this does include the zion council)........that's exactly how many people the Oracle/Architect told Neo he would have to choose to "repopulate" Zion when the Matrix "Rebooted"........

hmm......might explain the final scene of the film..........

Just a possibility. My friend may have had a few too many sips of uncle Jack who usually travels to theatres with him.

Can anyone else confirm or deny what he claims to have seen....??

Even a web posting on this would be interesting......
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Neo wrote:

...the Wachowskis simply refused to conform to the classic hollywood SFX script and deliberately scripted a cryptic epic once they had roped us in with the first film.
As long as you're talking about the first one. Revolutions is the classic hollywood SFX script with their matrix spin on it. Nothing "revolutionary" is done with it. Revolutions takes the really cool story and concept that the first one had and does nothing with it. It's a painfully simple, linear story. Entirely predictable up to the end (because you dont think they'll end it as shittily as they did) and somewhat heartless. Too many characters for you to follow/care about and very poor pacing.

And when i said if you're expecting crap, you should enjoy it, that doesn't mean that you lower your standards before watching it just for that. I had high expectations for Reloaded and I didn't enjoy the movie and I thought that for the most part it was poorly made. Then revolutions wasn't looking the greatest and when i saw some bits of the neo v smith fight at the end, it looked like total crap (and that fight still is crap) so i was expecting crap. I didn't purposely lower my expectations, it just worked out that way.
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Well as most of the negative things that have been mentioned are true, there are some really great things we've yet to touch on. For instance, I really enjoyed the part where Smith said to the Oracle, and I paraphrase, "You knew I was going to do that [after knocking the cookies off the table]. Which means you spent the entire time baking those for nothing. And you also knew that I would be here. Why would you sit in that seat if you knew I was coming? There must be a reason, a purpose, for you to sit there." Well, something like that wink. Great piece of dialouge in my opinion...
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Hugo Weaving was the best part of the movie. I just love his performance when he tries to laugh. Also, the guy who played Beihn did a fairly good job mimicking smith.
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The actor playing Bain (sp?) did do a great job.

Overall i didn't find the acting in the film too bad. Link and Zee's acting together was very beleivable...in my opinion anyway. Same with the kid and the army dude whose face almost gets ripped off.

Overall the acting wasn't bad

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Personally, I didn't see the point of Bane. And I hated how he spoke like Smith spoke, yet Neo didn't recognise the voice, & acted all shocked...as if that's going to happen. I'd recognise Smith's voice anywhere.

I don't think it's cryptic, either. The philosophy in the first Matrix was pretty good, but the stuff they had in 2 & 3 was real lightweight stuff you can find in cheap schoolbooks. It's cryptic because I don't think the Wachowski's had a clue about what they wanted to do, & they just made a bad job of realising their patchy concepts for 2 & 3.

In the original Matrix, the Wachowskis didn't conform to the classic Hollywood SFX script, but I think in 2 & 3 they did, probably because they had to (the studio & producers asked them to). You just have to look at all the explosions etc in 2 & 3 to see this. The big studios have this idea that all we want to see is huge explosions & stuff, so they decide to "give the audience what they want". But in the original Matrix there was only one explosion - the helicopter hitting the building (2 if you count the lift explosion).

For me, 2 & 3 are just Hollywood big spenders with their wallets prevailing over common sense.
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Read the first page; haven't seen the movie yet. But DUDE, I knew Neo had to die or something ever since watching Reloaded (it wouldnt make too much sense for this "savior" character to just come down and smite the enemy masses).
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Mellifluous wrote:


For me, 2 & 3 are just Hollywood big spenders with their wallets prevailing over common sense.
Not sure I totally agree with this. I think, especially if one considers the dialogue which I know a lot of people thought was muddled........but I think it's a kick back at the studios. Kind of like saying "thanks for the money, now choke on this". The last two movies run like the everymans philosophy book done over sci-fi. Not your average Hollywood bump in the road. Albeit the effects were better than the first film, I guarantee you that with a similar budget for the original, the three films would have looked the same in terms of grandeur.

The bottom line is this: "Money talks and bullshit walks." I don't think it's selling out. As a matter of fact, I'd love for a big studio to offer me a $5 million dollar pay check just to blow shit up so I can make the 14 year olds of this world say "cool". Name the time and the place and I'll film it with a smile on my face and Meg Ryan in the front seat of the car that I blast off the street. wink
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Neo wrote:

Not sure I totally agree with this. I think, especially if one considers the dialogue which I know a lot of people thought was muddled........but I think it's a kick back at the studios.
Erm, most of the dialogue was the worst kind of cliched Van Damme style corny action speech...
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Neo wrote:

Ok.......new twist.......a friend just saw it and he pointed out something kinda crazy that I missed last night.

There are 23 survivors at the end of the film (shown on screen....there might be more.....this does include the zion council)........that's exactly how many people the Oracle/Architect told Neo he would have to choose to "repopulate" Zion when the Matrix "Rebooted"........
Eh? What about the huge temple cave full of a few thousand people?
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Heh, there were thousands. This all goes to show that people are reading far too much into these films and trying to find things or make up their own story.

If the dialogue was a "kick back at the studios" or trying to go against the hollywood norm then not only did they fail, but they also made themselves look like very poor script writers.
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schwar wrote:

Heh, there were thousands. This all goes to show that people are reading far too much into these films and trying to find things or make up their own story.

If the dialogue was a "kick back at the studios" or trying to go against the hollywood norm then not only did they fail, but they also made themselves look like very poor script writers.
Well thats what I remembered as well......I told him he'd smoked half a blunt too many. wink At least I know to save my money just for a return performance to check that scene out.

I meant the philosophy not the stupid dialogue between Smith & Neo, Morpheus and Niobe et al. Sorry, should have been more specific. A little to much "With Nail and I" perhaps for some..........
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Neo wrote:

A little to much "With Nail and I" perhaps for some..........
Aah, now there's a film with good dialogue. smile
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he......he......totally.

If they through in a couple of chroma key sets and the odd black leather outfit the Matrix would never have been made!!!! wink
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OK first of all this is all just our opinion.

We really enjoyed Revolutions and we really liked Reloaded too. We think that the Wachowski brothers knew exactly what they wanted and made the films exactly how they wanted them. If you look at some of the storyboards, they look like your watching the movie only in drawings because the Wachowski bros know what they want to see.
Another thing is I think it's interesting how all of you can criticize it when a lot of you probably would never be able to make a film that does this well. I know it's their jobs and they have millions of dollars at their disposal but what do you think you would have made with it?
We really don't mean to make fun of anyone or make anyone angry because a lot of what is made here is very good. We just know we'd never be able to make anything as good even if we had unlimited resources.

O.K. now to Revolutions. First of all We'd give it about a 4 out of 5 stars. There were some bad parts and some disappointing parts in the film. We were kind of upset to see Neo and Trinity die but we were expecting it. sad I also pretty much knew Neo was definately going to die after Trinity died. Another problem is that there was no bullet time and there wasn't enough combat in the Matrix. The whole zion fight was AMAZING. Seraph kicked butt and we wanted to see more of him. Smith was great and we also loved the whole part where he throws the cookies. smile Good stuff. The final battle was pretty cool but the cg wasn't that good. But Smith's face sure did look funny when he got punched. biggrin
We aren't big criticizers of movies and usually any movie we feel we'll like enough to see, we like. We really liked the matrix trilogy and are kind of upset it is over. sad
That's all we have to say for now. Still can't quite think right.
We hope we haven't angered anyone by our post and want to reiterate the fact that these are our opinions.
Just our 2 cents.
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I came into Revolutions with three friends and my dad (I'm under 21 and they wouldnt let us in otherwise) expecting to see a solid movie but not better than the first. I thought the beggining was kindof long and club hell wasnt a very memorable scene other than Monicas Belluici's beautiful...u know. Oh and the Merovingian - "Its interesting how similar the patters of love are to the patterns of insanity." I liked the whole Bane confrontation and the fact that Neo was blinded. It sortof made Neo seem weaker and more prone to fall, raising the stakes. Zion battle AWESOME. Captain Bafoonay or however you say it made it really awesome. I was pleasently suprised that they even used his character so much. Plus I actually had one of his lines in my war film I made over the summer. In Reloaded I thought that Kid was a stupid character but he had a pretty cool part in Revolutions. I like how terrified he was going into it and not like "WAHHOOO lets kill some robots!!!" One thing I would've changed was I would've wanted him to say "There is no spoon." when he shot the chain holding the gate instead of "Neo I believe." because only people who have seen Kid's Story would know that he said that at the end. Yea that would have been cool.
The whole going to the machine city scene was cool in my opinion because it was so suspenseful and made Neo seem even more vulnerable. Trinity's death could've had alot better dialogue but just the fact that she died really made Neo's death even more right. The Superbrawl - I was impressed but not as impressed as I thought I would be. I was expecting it to be 14 minutes of pure action where it was more like 5 minutes of fighting 9 minutes of Smith which was cool also because Smith is just awesome. Neo dieing was a cool thing for me because of its origins in the death of Christ. Neo being taken over by darkness and then being resurected was almost exactly what happened and I'm glad the wachowski's put that in. Before I saw the movie I read a spoiler that said Neo turned into the sun in the matrix. That sounded alot cooler than Sait "painting" it for neo. And I would've liked to see the sun look more powerful and less pretty pinkish,like the one in my sig. Thats probably too nitpicky as its just not how I imagined it to be.

Anyways I thought it was a vast improvement over Reloaded minus the boring bit at the begining and the wierd nipple tweaking at club hell.

8/10
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Kyeju wrote:


Anyways I thought it was a vast improvement over Reloaded minus the boring bit at the begining and the wierd nipple tweaking at club hell.

8/10
Ah Ha!!!!!!!

Finally someone else noticed the "Nipple Tweaking"!!!

Nice touch, very subtle, and totally "twisted" (no puns intended). What the hell was up with that huh!!?? eek
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There was nipple tweaking going on?
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Yeah dude.
In the Merovingian's club there was some serious tweaking going on.
Very strange stuff......
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yeah, but they were ugly and the fashion designer for the scene must have shot 1kg's into thier system while designing to make em that bad. bah. club hell had good potential, alas, it was wasted...like the whole trilogy.
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I didn't think the trilogy was a waste.... overall i think its pretty good...(my opinion anyways)

I DOUBT they will make another one. if Neo was the ONE (an anomolee (sp?) equation thing) and Smith was his oposite......basically when smith takes over neo...its two sides of an equation combining.... basically if neo is the + and smith is the - ....it balances the equation out.... which equals ZERO......therefore....Smith GOne...Neo gone (dead) - as smith says everything needs purpose...if the "equation" is balanced then there is none....i think?

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I think another Animatrix would be awesome, showing life after Revolutions. Another live-action movie would probably make me hate the Wachoski Bros.
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I think somehwere down the line would be a final matrix to close everything. The wachowski's always apparently envisioned matrix as a trilogy. So then they wrote part 2, but it was too long so they decided to split it into 2 (thus reloaded and revolutions). that still leaves the possiblity of the actualy third and final volume for the trilogy.

There still is hope.
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No no no, let the damn thing die and go away forever. The last 2 have been painful enough.
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OK but on the positive side of things what did everyone think of the score?? I thought Neodammering and Navras were awesome.
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Not really my kind of thing. I really liked the score in the first film, it matched the subject matter really nicely and had a nicely unique sound. 2 and 3 were a bit too overdone for my liking.

I tend to prefer classical scores - Howard Shore being my favourite composer, with the likes of Danny Elfman and John Williams close behind.

Having said that, Kill Bill has an astonishingly good soundtrack. It's as if it was all original material written for the movie. Tarantino has a knack for taking period and contemporary music and moulding his film around the songs, so that it is as if they were always meant to be together. A technique that is brilliant when it works - which it rarely does. Using a song in a film is easy, but using it in the tightly woven way of Tarantino, Kubrick, PT Anderson etc is something else...
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I was sitting in Algebra 8th period today and when I was supposed to be thinking about formulas I thought of the matrix. Then I thought, well WB decided to put the matrix into all these different medias. The game, two movies, the animatrix. What I'm going to do when revo comes out I'm going to recut them. I mean cut down on the amount of fight sequences, cut out some of the dialogue, add in some of the footage shot for the game. This is what I thought of...

Film begins with Kid's Story starting where he is sitting in class. He gets chased by the agents to the roof and says "Neo..." and lets himself fall. Neo shoots out and catches him. He wakes up in zion and we are reunited with neo through the kid. Neo's dream would be intercut later. I think this beggining would be more fitting and more reminiscent of Trinity's chase in the matrix.
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Why don't you add a poll to this post?

Did you think it was any good
YES or NO
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Personally, I think the movie was nice.


*SPOILER*

I like how they ended it with peace. Everyone was expecting a fight to the death, and they gave the audience a jolt when they made peace.

On top of that, if you watch the animatrix, the machines always wanted to have peace, and it was the humans who faulted and became corrupt.

The part where he jacked back in at the end wasnt well done. But the rest was great.

*END SPOILER*

I give this movie a 9 out of 10.
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You guys are nuts.


The movie was awesome.
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Are you being serious?
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I hope not.
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Do you guys think it wasnt as good because it wasnt fresh like the first movie?

Thats what Im thinking.
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sidewinder wrote:

You guys are nuts.


The movie was awesome.
I agree.
I laughed, I cried, it was better than CATS.
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Honestly, I think those of you who disliked it never wanted to enjoy it in the first place. You went in to the theatre expecting a bad movie, and in turn, that's what you got.

And I'm serious. The movie rocked. It's too bad you can't enjoy it, because the only one who loses out on the experence is yourself.
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AMEN! haha

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sidewinder wrote:

Honestly, I think those of you who disliked it never wanted to enjoy it in the first place. You went in to the theatre expecting a bad movie, and in turn, that's what you got.

And I'm serious. The movie rocked. It's too bad you can't enjoy it, because the only one who loses out on the experence is yourself.
Well said.
I got basted like a Turkey for saying how much I loved it way back.
It's become cliche to "like" a sequel.
Critics crap on them and the fans just hop on the bandwagon.

If you were expecting a crappy sequel, your mind was already made up and you went in shooting holes in it.
I could punch a hundred holes in the original film, any of the LOTR movies, you name it.
Look for problems in life and you'll find them everywhere.
Seems to be a broader worldwide dilemma at work here...... wink

Personally, I thought Reloaded was more entertaining than the original.
I went in with a completely neutral, but positive attitude towards Revolutions.
I came out pleasantly surprised and had a great time.
Those two brothers created a trilogy that I'd rank with the Original Star Wars, Indiana Jones & LOTR.

I'll wait for the beatings to come, but this is just opinion and that's all that matters in this big six page mess.

Opinion=Freewill.
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sidewinder wrote:

And I'm serious. The movie rocked. It's too bad you can't enjoy it, because the only one who loses out on the experence is yourself.
I enjoyed a fair portion of the movie (zion battle was kickass), but that doesn't make it good. The movie isn't bad, but its not "awesome" as you say it is...not even close. It has its moments, but the dull, pointless, stupid moments in it weigh the movie down alot.

Honestly, I think those of you who disliked it never wanted to enjoy it in the first place. You went in to the theatre expecting a bad movie, and in turn, that's what you got.
Explain Reloaded then. I wanted to enjoy that movie, I was ready to have a good time watching it...but the movie sucked. Below average, bored me with mediocre action scenes and poor acting.
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Those of you, like Sidewinder (if i'm right), who do or have seen someone working with 3D will truely appreciate how amazing the Zion scene was.

I watched the origional last night, and I agree with some people - the cinematography of the origional was far superior - especially the camera angles.
However, it was obvious many years ago that the Matrix sequels would be an excuse for the film makers to load them with as many effects as possible, and that is exactly what they've done. The sequels were aimed at people who wanted 'more amazing matrix visuals' rather than those hardcore dialog analysts biggrin
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Neo wrote:

sidewinder wrote:

Honestly, I think those of you who disliked it never wanted to enjoy it in the first place. You went in to the theatre expecting a bad movie, and in turn, that's what you got.

And I'm serious. The movie rocked. It's too bad you can't enjoy it, because the only one who loses out on the experence is yourself.
Well said.
I got basted like a Turkey for saying how much I loved it way back.
It's become cliche to "like" a sequel.
Critics crap on them and the fans just hop on the bandwagon.
Erm, sorry, but that doesn't quite work. smile

Case-in-point - X2. I don't really like the first X-Men film. When I went to see X2, I wasn't expecting it to be anything special. Was hoping it would be good, of course, but realistically I only expected it to be fairly average. As it turned out, it's my favourite action movie of the year. I loved it.

Revolutions I went it with a completely open mind - I wasn't excited about it, but I also wasn't determined to hate it (what would be the point of that exactly? Other than wasting £5...). Unfortunately, most of it did nothing but bore me.

The battle of Zion bit, however, thrilled me to pieces. It was fantastic, as I've said many times already. I just wish the rest of the film had had a similar effect on me.

Big blockbuster movies and sequels are the kind of movie I like the most. However, I do expect them to be well-made to a certain degree. Most blockbusters are fairly rubbish, unfortunately, but when they're good, they're damn good.

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sidewinder wrote:

Honestly, I think those of you who disliked it never wanted to enjoy it in the first place. You went in to the theatre expecting a bad movie, and in turn, that's what you got.

And I'm serious. The movie rocked. It's too bad you can't enjoy it, because the only one who loses out on the experence is yourself.
that's ballcocks - different people have different tastes.

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www.aintitcoolnews.com That's a pretty close review to how I felt.

No, Cypher, you talk as if what your saying is the truth. the movie was awesome, but youidn't enjoy it. wink

In reloaded, did you truly think it was going to be a great film? 20 minutes in, were you pumped for the next scene, or did you expect the rest of it to suck? I know by that time, I felt that the movie was letting me down, and the hype had set the standard way too high. So throughtout the rest of it, I kept thinking that it wan't going to be the groundbreaking movie it was.


Whereas in revolutions, I heard it was all about the fight, so I go in expecting to see something along the lines of Ep. II, but instead I get blown away by the movie with the best special effects EVER.

Maybe that's why some of you didn't like it. I can enjoy a movie based on its special effects, if they are of the caliber of Ep. II, or higher, like revolutions.
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The reason i'm talking as if what i'm saying is the truth is because you are talking in that same manner. If I were to say, "i think it alright, nothing special", you'de go along the lines of "i'm sorry but your opinion is wrong" (as you always do). So instead of saying my opinion, i'm telling you how the movie really was. It makes it easier for you to understand as your opinion is wrong, not mine wink
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Apart from the Zion battle which was technically very very good (poor dialogue scattered about) I found the film laughable for the most part. There were so many simple problems with just about every idea put forward, stupid cuts and a bunch of terrible acting and dialogue.

I can understand people loving the Zion bit.

I can almost understand some people enjoying the Smith vs Neo fight although I found it really tired and very random.

I don't understand how anyone can call this a great film. The overuse of slow motion. The plainly dire dialogue and acting of some of the charactes. The boring and quite slow fighting styles (see Kill Bill for some great fighting where you really feel part of it, and I didn't even like Kill Bill that much). The random death of Smith which is never explained in anyway. The fact that Neo doesn't appear to be dead because there is a random shot in electro vision. They don't keep an EMP in Zion!

Sure they had some great effects when they weren't doing digital doubles (which were again fairly poor for the most part) but this doesn't make it a good film. Spider-man had terrible digital doubles but it didn't matter as the film wasn't about effects.

As a special effects exercise it wasn't bad but wasn't anywhere near the best. As a good film in itself it fails on ever level. As the completion to trilogy it only manages to undermine the first films character and confirm how terrible Reloaded really was.

P.S. When you say "best special effects ever" you mean use of special effects or the quality of them and the skills used to make them. If you like the look of them then thats up to you but they were not the best quality or the best technically at all.

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schwar wrote:

The random death of Smith which is never explained in anyway.
If Neo is the one - an anomely or F*k up equation in the matrix - and Smith is is oppsite, when Smith takes over neo, wouldn't that effectively Balance the equation? therefore eliminating both of them?



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TAP2 wrote:

Those of you, like Sidewinder (if i'm right), who do or have seen someone working with 3D will truely appreciate how amazing the Zion scene was.
Yes, I totally agree, I use 3ds Max and its like a dream when you see all that coming together, and the physics the battle had was just beutiful. Watch it again for that battle and watch the "squiddies" rip apart and maneuver.

That scene put that movie in my "Great Movie" book. smile
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Neo doesn't die, or at least might not (random electro vision shot).

From the way that the machines fed something into Neo's body (symbolised in the film by something passing down the cables to Neo's body) we are left to assume that by Smith joining with Neo allowed the computer to interface him in some way and kill him - or at least we could assume that.

We really don't know this as it had zero precedent in the trilogy and therefore we can all just make up our own ideas - the use of a simple plot device could have stopped this but they obviously missed that script writing lesson. The whole of the film is pretty much like this (and Reloaded), as nothing is really explained we can make up what we want.

Anyone remember Neo's amazing (and never used again) telekinetic abilities in Reloaded? Come on people, these mistakes are simple and all over the place. It may have effects that you really like, and you may like the action sequences so good for the people that do.

I want a story that makes sence, with plot holes covered well and loose ends tied up. After all the questions that Reloaded tried to ask, and all the possibilities open to the film makers with the last film all I can say is it didn't deliver. In some ways thats personal preference but in others it was just bad film making/script writing.

P.S. If you want great CG then see Finding Nemo, which also has a great script and great acting.
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No, I still think it had the best special effects out of any film. the 3d was better than anything else around, and it was at a high level throughout the film. Remember in the end, where the matrix resets itself? That shot was amazing.

Also, I sincerely doubt that there are holes throughout this movie. Not everytihng is explained in the films, but it doesn't mean there isn't a reason for them.

First off, you say Neo isn't dead. I say he is...

Remember how Smith downloaded himself into Bane? Its likely that when the matrix needs to be reset, the machines download "the one" into a person of their choosing. Therefore, when smith was "uninstalled", along with the program for "the one", Neo's body is basically all that's left, with his mind totally gone. All you see when it goes to "neo-vision" are the machines inside of him still interfaceing with the matrix.

So when it comes time to reset the matrix for a seventh time, the machines will just pop the program into another body, and The One returns again.
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The Zion had great quality CG, but not better than stuff thats been done before as it was at the easier end of the film CG spectrum - metal and concrete with no natural lighting isn't as hard as organic structures and animals. The digital doubles were still only ok, not the best by a long shot.

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Where the hell did the phone booths go?

And what was up with the waltzing with guns through the nipple tweakin' goth club?
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What was with the whole goth club scene, and the lobby remake (but crap) before it, and the trainman..........
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Anyone remember Neo's amazing (and never used again) telekinetic abilities in Reloaded? Come on people, these mistakes are simple and all over the place
That is one thing I will strongly agree with. The films were loaded with mistakes and contradictions.

And how the hell did Neo get to that train place anyway?
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TMM wrote:



that's ballcocks - different people have different tastes.

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This is what I'm trying to get at. We can bash each others heads into the wall trying to convince oneanother that "we're" right and "they're" wrong. The bottom line......some people liked it, some didn't. Nobody is right or wrong. To each his own. razz
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I think it has something to do with the sentinals he stopped in reloaded. He pulled some "in-matrix" stuff otuside of it and it put in between the two?

but then again thats only a guess, im not sure if it actually is in the movie or not

The foreign guy Neo talks to is there for a reason though - if you watch reloaded - when Neo walks in the room to go see the french guy - the camera shows neo look to the left showing some security guys or something taking a guy out of the room, the guy they are takin out is the foreign guy.

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Yeah i noticed that - there was a tint of suspense music and the camera showed a random bloke walking off.. I was wondering who that was.
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Rating: +1

The trainman/club hell scenes are completley unneeded and don't further the story. It seems that they're there just as filler cuz the wacho bros thought it'd be fun to confuse us by having neo stuck somewhere. As soon as neo gets out, there's nothing more to do with it later on and it did not aid, just wasted time.
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Yep, totally Cypher. These things add to the random feel the last 2 movies had.
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wasn't the whole point of that to link revolutions to reloaded?

explain neo's coma from the reloaded

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Ya, it was meant to link. But with that same token, explain the purpose of neo going into the coma in the first place.
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Still my main problem and I'll definetly agree on this one.......or how the hell he ends up going from lying on a table in a room with Bane to waking up after being unplugged by Morpheus from one of the Interface Chairs in a separate room with no Bane in sight...... tard
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My opinion?

Waste of two hours of my life, and money.
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obviously not much of a 3D person then??
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must not be
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schwar wrote:

stupid cuts and a bunch of terrible acting and dialogue.
I could agree with that for the most part. I thought the dialogue could have been way better and less cliched.

schwar wrote:

quite slow fighting styles (see Kill Bill for some great fighting where you really feel part of it.
THAT IS A NO NO. I thought that the fights were awesome. When Neo and Smith were fighting with the lights flashing around them I was thinking how far these actors have come and how good they have developed to be, especially Keanu Reeves. Kill Bill had some good fighting but I wouldnt rank it higher than this.

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On Digital Doubles(which were again fairly poor for the most part) .
The digital doubles were perfect throughout the whole of 2 and 3. I dont think it is possible to get a digital double to move as realistic as a human could but as stills they look perfect.
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Revolutions' digital doubles were the possibly best digital doubles in a movie, ever, and if you disagree, you're wrong.

Pay attention to the movie! Best doubles : the mech/zion scene.

Stop saying "the doubles were the worst ever!" and point out WHY.

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The digital doubles were perfect throughout the whole of 2 and 3. I dont think it is possible to get a digital double to move as realistic as a human could but as stills they look perfect.
Heh, problem is that the Matrix is a movie, not a stillie. smile

Making a CG double in a still image is incredibly easy (if you have the skills, of course - I couldn't do it!). It's the movement that is the trick.


The narrative mistakes in films 2 and 3 that have been mentioned in this thread are very odd. The Matrix is one of the tightest sci-fi scripts ever written - it has a helluva lot of ideas and concepts to get over to the audience, and it does it fluidly, with great pacing, in ways that are both visually and thematically extremely interesting.

The Matrix could have been incredibly confusing and random, but they tie everything together superbly. It all follows through, concepts introduced at the start play out at the end, all the plot points are developed, every scene (and every fight) is vital to the story and the effects serve the story perfectly.

This is why the first film was hailed as such a breath of fresh air after the rather turgid action films of the '90s.
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MechaForce wrote:

Revolutions' digital doubles were the possibly best digital doubles in a movie, ever, and if you disagree, you're wrong.

Pay attention to the movie! Best doubles : the mech/zion scene.
In the mech/zion scene they looked fantastic, as did everything else. They also weren't doing much, other than sitting in big mechs and waving their arms around. Plus the shots were generally full of tons of movement and mad lighting and debris.

Stop saying "the doubles were the worst ever!" and point out WHY.
They looked plain wrong? That's about all you need to say really. If you can watch the movie and notice when it switches from real actor to digital double, then the CG doubles are not doing their job properly.

Same in Spider-Man - you can tell when it's a CG Spidey. Now, neither Spidey's CG doubles nor Matrix's doubles are bad. Not be a long way. They're pretty darn good generally - but they're not good enough to work on me.

Now, in Spidey I didn't really mind because a) I really liked the movie, and was more interested in the Parker stuff anyway and b) you couldn't have got a stuntman to do those moves anyway.

In the Matrix 2 and 3, lots of the digital double stuff could have been done pretty easily using greenscreen, and to much better effect. That's why it irks me a bit more.

Saying that the effects in any major modern picture are bad is only a relative thing. They're all pretty amazing, really, it's just comparing them to each other, and how they serve the film they are in.

Y'know, some people say that the cave troll in Fellowship of the Ring is poor, and they then blame it on the CG. Of course, no other technique could possibly have made it look that good. People forget how ropey effects used to be (anyone remember the Rancor from Return of the Jedi?), because we're all spoilt these days.

Spidey swinging through New York? When it comes down to it, that's incredible.

Y'know, when I watch Jason and the Argonauts, none of the creatures look real. But it doesn't bother me, 'cos the film is cool. The effects are used wisely. They're the two crucial things - do the effects serve the film intelligently, and is the film any good?
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Revolutions' digital doubles were the possibly best digital doubles in a movie, ever, and if you disagree, you're wrong.

Pay attention to the movie! Best doubles : the mech/zion scene.

Stop saying "the doubles were the worst ever!" and point out WHY.
Nope, you're wrong. razz

The texture quality and the model detail of the digital doubles in Revolutions was well below that of some of the digital doubles in Episode 2.

The reason I was so disappointed by them is because John Gaeta said the Matrix digital doubles were flawless, the best the world has ever seen blah blah blah. He is wrong, but then its a bit of a struggle facing the huge skills and man power of ILM, a company very much linked to the development of the worlds most powerful 3D software.

The Matrix DDs are obvious to the eye in most of Reloaded and Revolutions. They are nowhere near perfect even when still. I'm surprised anyone would say they were, especially anyone with more than a passing interest in 3D.

The movement was another issue, but that was stylised like the movement of Yoda in episode 2, so thats a matter of taste, although I didn't think it flowed correctly from live to CG footage.

Sure the digital double's in the mechs were fine, but this was for several reason... totally CG surrounding most of the time (no need to replicate natural lighting), limited movement, the were random people to whom we are not accustomed, not the centre of attention, no slow motion and very few close ups.

Obi Wan is still the ultimate digital double in a film so far, something that Neo and Smith never came close to for a second. Maybe if they hadn't used slow motion so much we wouldn't have noticed the problems with the digital doubles.
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Mecha/Sidey - I know we're not gonna agree on the Matrix but to be honest I was more impressed by your digital doubles. I can't wait to see your next ones. The problems is the nearer you get to realism (perfection) the harder it is to improve, but in many ways the final image itself becomes harder to live with.

In Spider-man the digital doubles were so far from real that you kind of accept it and get on with the film. The dds in the Matrix were at the awkward point of nearly being realistic, but not quite. Obi Wan in Episode 2 had crossed over to real and it was only after watching "making of" material that you realise where the CG was.
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Does nobody remember the digital doubles used when Neo punches the crap out of Smith?...those were the most realistic doubles I have ever seen...PERIOD...

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I work in a theatre, watch bits of movies all the time, blah blah blah.

I walked in today to watch some bits during work. Some CG doubles are really good, others are total crap. For one, in the pointless lobby-esque sequence, when the one guy jumps from pillar to pillar....awful. Words can't describe how poor that looks. Movement is off, body is jerky, too much motion blur and all of the above. Then the bullettime neo punches smith: that's freaking amazing!!! Well, smith is. Neo looks nothing like Keanu that I have no idea what they were thinking. It looks waaaaaay to fake that you don't even need to think about it.
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there are so many things i didnt undertand. Why can neo kill machines in the real world???

How is it possible that he can see the machines, when he is blind??

Bellucini was really hot eventhough only 6 seks of her was shown. not enough fighting, and the ones that where there were lame, boring.

And trinity's speech was really ridiculous, like"do you know what has changed in the last 6 hours?" neo replies"no" than she says"nothing"
i mean hello, duh. crap text.

only agent smith ´makes me laugh sometimes, think he is ridicoulisly good looking sleep . Funny facial expressions though!!!

alright enough of my opinion, just wish i hadnt of wasted 10 euros on that crap.

Best thing would have been, if theyd left matrix the way it was.

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devilskater wrote:

And trinity's speech was really ridiculous, like"do you know what has changed in the last 6 hours?" neo replies"no" than she says"nothing"
i mean hello, duh. crap text.
Heh, I'd forgotten about that line. I could see it coming a mile off, and was desperately hoping that they weren't going to do it. Of course, they did.

Worst lines of dialogue of 2003? Perhaps. smile
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Hey, what cg part with Obi Wan in episode 2 are u talking about. ( I guess it must have been realistic CG if i dont even remember CG being in it for him)
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Almost all of the Obi-Wan/Jango Fett fight on Kamino was using CG doubles. Check out the bit when Ewan McGregor gets the cable wrapped around his arm (when trying to retrieve his saber), and then gets dragged along the floor. All CG. Quite remarkable really.

The Star Wars DVD commentaries are well worth listening to - the films are technically astonishing, and far more so than you ever realise. There's stuff going on in them that is darn clever.
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Pah! Whatever happened to REAL people doing REAL stunts??? Stuntmen are a bunch of woossies these days, so what if they lose a limb or two or die or something while making a film!

As for Matrix Revolutions, what a load of contrived crap! That's my opinion so it must be so!
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Agreed. Whilst rewatching Terminator 2 the other day, I got a great thrill from knowing that some guy actually did all those crazy, insane stunts.

Same with the old Bond films compared to the new ones. You might know it isn't actually Roger Moore doing half the stunts, but a real human being was at least involved.

The best thing is to use a real stuntman and then use CG to put the actor's face onto the stuntman. Then you get the best of both worlds.
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A good use of CG was the bike part of the chase scene in Reloaded. The CG cars and lorries really worked well for the most part and made the live action really come to life.

P.S. Look I can say nice things about the Matrix as well!! eek
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Actually, the bit where the agent jumped off the bridge and onto the car looked crap. smile

and i say even more nice things about the matrix than you biggrin
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P.S. Look I can say nice things about the Matrix as well!! eek
Shock, horror! Look tight chaps this is headline news!!! razz
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Neo and Smith are an equation... positive and negative.
The moment they melted, the equation resulted in zero, thats why both died.

So basically what happened is exactly what the architect said: The Neo-variable was calculated into the matrix. It already happened a couple of times and it happend just again.

The matrix just restarted and the equation starts all over again, thats why the oracle said neo is going to come again.



To the film:

I found Revolutions much better then Reloaded, but still far from the opluent ending the matrix would have deserved back in 1999...
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well put, but I thought the whole point was that THIS NEO was different from the others....

Therefore, there's a chance he might not be dead confused
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No, he's dead alright..but was he ever alive in the first place?
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Judging by his acting, I'd say no. razz

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Tarn wrote:

Judging by his acting, I'd say no.
Cold.
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lol,

actually when the critic's say his acting tallent is rubbish in the 2nd and 3rd films, they're talking out of their ass.

He had much harder acting to do in the origional... and I thought he did the part really well.
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are u serious tarn?? that looked real as hell. Thats amazing. I might be changing my vote on graphics and have matrix 2nd to episode 2...
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Yep, the Star Wars DVDs are worth getting for the extras/behind-the-scenes stuff, even if you don't like the actual movies themselves (presuming you're interested in the technical side, of course!).

As for Reeves' acting and the character of Neo - I really, really enjoyed Reeves' performance in the first film. I thought he carried off the 'reluctant saviour' thing really nicely. But he didn't work very well in films 2 and 3 for me - that could be more to do with the material he had to work with, though...
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I have both Ep 1 and Ep 2 DVD's...where is this cool info? I never actually watched em.
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I don't know whether I should ask this in a totally different topic, but talking of extras, which DVDs out there have the best extras that have actually helped you from a filmmaking perspective?

For me, Pleasantville & eXistenZ have been of most value...

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It'd be very interesting if someone were to make one long film out of the three, but edit it in a more effective way. Cutting out the unnecessary bits. Shame the wachowski bros didn't do it for us biggrin
Anyways, i'll stop the dashing out of random thoughts for now.

If the prices come down of the SW films, I may buy them and watch the FX stuff. I'm ordering some stuff for christmas tho, somebody tell me - Is XMEN2 any good... apparently it's amazing and Tarn, you said it was probably your favourite action film of the year??
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Both Star Wars DVD commentaries have lots of good technical info (although the creators' lack of interest in any of the character/drama/actors is notable). But all the documentaries on both discs are interesting, and well worth a perusal.

As for the best DVDs out there...well, the best I have in my collection (in terms of DVD extras etc, not in terms of the film itself) would have to be:

Fellowship of the Ring 4-disc (nothing comes close, at all)
Blade 2
El Mariachi/Desperado double bill
Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
Star Wars 1 and 2
From Dusk Till Dawn (curious stuff on that one)
This Is Spinal Tap (only if you're a fan!)
Superman
TRON
Terminator 2 (ultimate)

I can vouch for all of those being utterly fantastic DVD packs.
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TAP2 wrote:

I'm ordering some stuff for christmas tho, somebody tell me - Is XMEN2 any good... apparently it's amazing and Tarn, you said it was probably your favourite action film of the year??
Yep, I love X2. My favourite action movie of the year (kind of tied with Kill Bill, but they're both very different kinds of things for me...).

X2 does a remarkable job of balancing so many characters, whilst still being really fun. Great cast, too. It's just classy filmmaking from start to finish.

Make sure you watch the first one first, though, if you haven't already. Although it's not in the same ballpark (it's not even in the same league. Hell, it ain't even the same sport!), it's still Ok, and is vital for getting the most out of the sequel.
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I agree, maybe that's because I own most of them biggrin

El Mariachi - I remember watching this some time ago but someone told me there were 2 versions??? are you talking about the origional or the remake.
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Great commentary on Spinal Tap? I saw tha tmovie a few weeks ago...I love, Christopher Guest's best. (he exploded on stage).

And I have T2: Extreme Edition...great commentary by james cameron and his co-writer. It's freaky when he pointed out numerous shots that are so dangerous they had to be CG and he just goes, "btw, what you see there, is exactly what we shot, minus some color adjustments". The guy jumping from the back of the pickup on the truck doesn't even have a wire on him! HOLY CRAP!
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Okies, i'll prob end up buying the XMEN1/2 Double dvd pack biggrin

That's exactly why Terminator 2 is a great film, we don't have much of this fake CG crap - it's all real.
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Yeah I just got X2 today...yet to take a look-see.

Terminator 2 is a good disk, I agree...the sheer scale of the stuff they've crammed in, including the full script as well, sets it apart.

I want the El Mariachi/Desperado double DVD & I saw it in a shop not so long ago. They've sold out now, & I've been told the double pack has been discontinued!?

I recommend the eXistenZ DVD because it has an extensive documentary about the production designer Carol Spier, & the commentary is great too.
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Mellifluous wrote:

Yeah I just got X2 today...yet to take a look-see.
Gah! Isn't this DVD not due until Nov 25th?! And if you somehow got a copy what are you doing writing posts...you should be home watching it!
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Well, it was out in the UK yesterday...where are you?
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You left the matrix DVD off your list. wink
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Yeah...The Matrix Revisited DVD was pretty kick ass...Lots of information...
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i got the matrix revistited for my bday
that is the best movie of the 'trilogy' hehe....

or a 'foreagy' confused
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Quadrology ?
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hehe, i didnt know what it was....i should have said, "four movie series"
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After 4 it is just a Series...Right...?...::scratches head and walks away more confused than before::

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Mellifluous wrote:

Well, it was out in the UK yesterday...where are you?
Dosen't get released in the US until the 25th sad
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hey hey hey, quintology... dont 4get about "Untold Story" wink