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The Dark Soldier Wizard Battle

Posted: Wed, 19th Nov 2003, 3:01pm

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shadowhawk

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This movie is actually a scene from a bigger movie that my brother, our neighbor and I are making. I made the intro so you would understand what has been happening earlier in the scene.
The effect used is a green flaming sword. I used vegas video to edit the whole thing. I also used some effects that vegas video had, for some of the wizard effects. two animated gifs are used too.


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Posted: Wed, 19th Nov 2003, 4:00pm

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What can i say?

This movie makes me feel utter apathy towards everything and everyone. Right now i don't want to get back to work, I don't even want to go home, and i can't even be arsed to find something to do with my time. Even getting a cup of coffee, or going back to bed seems to hold so little appeal its no longer worth it. That about sums it up really.

Somehow, you have created a movie that is so incomprehensibly mundane, that it has actually blown my mundane fuse. I once had this brilliant idea (when i wasn't particularly sober) about how one would go about making a movie that manages to send any viewer mad, because it streams pure consciousness into their heads. You have managed to achieve the boredom equivalent.

Ok, enough with the negative criticism, and time for something more positive.

The main issue i have with this film is that it lacks even the slightest semblance of pace or timing. Whilst i understand how hard it is to choreograph a fight scene, one would have thought that with such a poor final result, you would have at least spared the user and edited it down a little. No such luck.

If you *are* going to do such slow fighting, i'd also suggest closer camera shots. Seeing the actor haphazardly swing the blade of his sword vaguely near his opponent, then make blow after disinterested blow at the sword of his opponent, (not even the opponent themselves) is not particularly interesting. A closer camera angle brings the audience closer to the action, thereby increasing the drama.

Think about your cropping in general too - seeing the hero's companion standing around idly kicking at a clump of earth whilst the battle rages on, doesn't exactly make you believe what you're seeing to be real!

Ignoring the lack of action pace for a second and focusing on the action itself - well choreographed fight scenes involving hand-to-hand combat of any sort (or sword to sword), MUST have proper attack in them. Your scenes exemplify how not to do it: Attack the person, not their weapon. Tieing in my above point about pace too, if you are going to attack the sword of the "baddy", at least shorten the length of the scenes, and make it appear less like 'Death' is just holding out his sword for the other kid to thwack it.

Interesting use of effects. Much better than some of the movies on this site, i must say, but also much worse than some. Think about how you'd want to see it if you were in the cinema - a random black murky smudge appearing whenever swords connect doesn't seem that normal to me... Does it to you? I'd have imagined sparks, or perhaps flames (from a flaming sword), or perhaps just light.
The effect used by the wizard to finally vanquish the enemy was actually remarkably cool, but probably not the way you think it is. For me it held a rather cool alusion to Manga energy explosions, where light radiates outwards with melodramatic lines flying outwards from the epicentre.

Ok i think the remaining strength left in my body has finally ebbed away.

/me crawls into a corner and cries himself into a coma
Posted: Wed, 19th Nov 2003, 5:23pm

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shadowhawk

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Hey Xcession! Thanks for your reply and advice. This scene is only an excerpt from a full length movie we've been working on for about a year. It's our first attempt at filming, editing and adding Alam effects. We actually have a few scenes with 20 extras. We had lots of fun making this movie and this scene anyway. This movie has an actual story line so we can see why you might not have gotten the full flow of the scene. And as far as that kid kicking the earth, that was part of his character in the whole movie. He's actually the main enemy in disguise so in this scene he had no reason to fight his own soldier. We see where some different camera angles could have been added and the pace picked up.

Thank you again for all your advice. It is very helpful. We will take heed and practice some of what you've suggested. We agree with some of the things you mentioned. Look for our other short movie called "The Omega Battle" (Located under the "Action" catagory.

Shadowhawk

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Posted: Wed, 19th Nov 2003, 11:58pm

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the thing is to have fun making the movie thats one of the most important parts but there were so many things that could of made that better for example, if your going to have a locked off camera shot, make sure that for one it dosnt have ALL of the fight in it and also make sure nobody is blocking your view.
Make the fight look more dramatic use different camera angles try editing it in a bit more, for example a big swing cut to a different angle perhaps behind the person your fighting and then it will look like a fluent strike just at a different angle and try speeding the fighting up a bit, and not have someone walking around leaning around on stuff make sure its only who you want in the shot, you had good custumes and props and a nice little effect in there to it was just a shame so many things didnt work properly take a few things on board that xcession and other people will say you look as though you have some good ideas, but just pull them off in the wrong way, keep at it and really have a think about some things next time and im sure you'll be more then happy with the results, if you need any help at all come and ask people on this community someone will be happy to help.

Mark biggrin
Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2003, 12:18am

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Thanks Mark

any advice will help


Check out my other movie "The Omega Battle."

It's under the "action" category


Shadowhawk cool
Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2003, 3:08am

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that kinda stunk (slow boring) but thr was that one cool efect that beam light thing lol next time plan out your cenes a little better
Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2003, 9:16am

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Hopefully the next one will be better, but ya when someone else is standing arouund kicking the dirt, and is even in the way of the shot! then it loses its effect for the movie.

Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2003, 1:26pm

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This was pretty bad.

The fight scenes were poor, but I have to take your ages into account. But everything just seemed so random. One of you were fighting the guy with the mask, then the other took over, then you changed again, one of you seemed to kill the guy with the mask, then he got up, then he went down again, then got up again. One of you stood around, staring at the floor, shaking his head.

The fight would have been so much better if you had done some close up shots of the fight, but there were just long shots & medium distance side shots which didn't really excite me as a viewer. So, PLAN your fight, & have a cameraman, so while you're planning your moves he can test out how to shoot them.

I'd get a cheap microphone as well, & attach it to the camera, if you're going to make a talking picture, because I didn't hear much of what was said.

Costumes weren't bad, you put some effort into them, but one thing I'd say is don't wear trainers, they ruin it. either go barefoot or wear boots covered in cloth or something. And the dark wizard could have had a wizardy hat as well.
Posted: Thu, 20th Nov 2003, 6:48pm

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That was pretty painful to watch. It's too bad you wasted all of that nice costuming of the wizard on such an ill-planned and executed short.

I think we need to create a new award category for most bored actor. The prize would go to your friend who stood on the sidelines staring at the ground.

If you are going to make a comedy(which this was)then go for it all the way.

It looks like you had plenty of people around for your shoot. Perhaps next time one of them can run the camera and give us some different perspectives.

Sorry to join the feeding frenzy here, but you made it pretty easy. Still, aside from the comments I still think you are capable. You just have to plan ahead more, perhaps sketch it out first, something. Just setting up a camera and letting run is not going to produce great results.
Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2003, 6:41am

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What was that?? tard
Posted: Fri, 21st Nov 2003, 8:59pm

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smile Since this is your first attempt at a movie and this was just an excerpt from the movie, its understandable that most viewers would not be able to grasp the mood of this scene. If they all understoond the full "picture" of the storyline and how it fits in to the plot, I'm sure this would make a huge difference in the way they view this one excerpt. There have been good suggestions made for improvement, but not enough encouragement for all the hard work involved in the product. It is obvious that you have put much hard work and thought into this particular scene, although there are some rough edges that will undoubtedly get ironed out through experience, practice and time. It would be very interesting to see your final product-the full length film. Seeing as though you only had three people in this particular scene, and no other people to help shoot the film, its also understandable that you needed to use a tripod to film it. While I agree that the actor who got in the way of the camera was not thinking clearly at that moment, it does seem that could easily be fixed by cutting and splicing at this particular point-a minor issue. Yes the pace could be faster, but in light of all the other scenes and effects that will be added to the rest of the film these blunders will more than likely fade away in the midst of the creative storyline. You are extremely creative and talented, to have thought up the idea of a full length film, costumes, brought in extras for some of your scenes, lines, plot, various filming locations, music, intro & credits, special effects, sound effects, all on your own initiative, and only being 11 and 13 years old when it began! Great Job!! Keep up the good work and you will indeed succeed!
Posted: Sat, 22nd Nov 2003, 12:00am

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observer wrote:

smile Since this is your first attempt at a movie and this was just an excerpt from the movie, its understandable that most viewers would not be able to grasp the mood of this scene. If they all understoond the full "picture" of the storyline and how it fits in to the plot, I'm sure this would make a huge difference in the way they view this one excerpt. There have been good suggestions made for improvement, but not enough encouragement for all the hard work involved in the product. It is obvious that you have put much hard work and thought into this particular scene, although there are some rough edges that will undoubtedly get ironed out through experience, practice and time. It would be very interesting to see your final product-the full length film. Seeing as though you only had three people in this particular scene, and no other people to help shoot the film, its also understandable that you needed to use a tripod to film it. While I agree that the actor who got in the way of the camera was not thinking clearly at that moment, it does seem that could easily be fixed by cutting and splicing at this particular point-a minor issue. Yes the pace could be faster, but in light of all the other scenes and effects that will be added to the rest of the film these blunders will more than likely fade away in the midst of the creative storyline. You are extremely creative and talented, to have thought up the idea of a full length film, costumes, brought in extras for some of your scenes, lines, plot, various filming locations, music, intro & credits, special effects, sound effects, all on your own initiative, and only being 11 and 13 years old when it began! Great Job!! Keep up the good work and you will indeed succeed!
Hello, observer. There's a play I'd like to you to read or see at some point or another. It's entitled "Death of a Salesman" by Arthur Miller.

I'll summarise one of the key points now.

Effort don't mean Sh*t. There are plenty of people on this site who put a lot of effort in but if the end product is rubbish then it will be graded accordingly.

As such I have yet to see this film but from what I can tell it's problems do not stem from the fact that it is only an excerpt of a larger project but instead from general filming errors. Slow and crap fighting for example, so on and so forth.

However, you are right in trying to encourage. We learn from our mistakes. And hopefully improve from them. But, as I say, I have yet to watch this and your opinion may be justified, It's just I'm picking up a completely different vibe from others who have commented on it.

Cheers.

P.s Also register! People are always very cautious of taking on board unregistered persons opinions.
Posted: Sat, 22nd Nov 2003, 5:29am

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Don't really know what to say about this.
I like the good Wizard costume though.
Posted: Sat, 22nd Nov 2003, 11:55pm

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Sorry but that was hard to watch. I know you are young but so am I and I know a lot. Plan your scenes out more and have the kid who was kicking the dirt take the camera.
Posted: Sun, 23rd Nov 2003, 3:09pm

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Hi there, just wateched your short. On the plus sides we can say good effort for a location, bridge battles are pretty good ideas. Good effort on the costume side of things, although I will say and I think it has been said already...trainers and shoes on Wizards don't work at all, and your dark wizard visably has denim shorts on under the dark cloak...I would suggest getting a longer cloak for the dark wizard and some riding boots or longer older looking boots for the the Gandalf type wizard. Some of the editing in this needs a huge tidy up, there were cuts made and it was painfully obvious where they were. I will say good work with the green light sword it was always in place throughout. The scene where u drove your sword through the wizard, the sound effect went as though you stabbed him then you visably lost the sword control for a moment and it came back toward you before you had to force it into the ground. The guy who had a very small part to play constantly looked bored while watching the fight, maybe encouraging you would have looked better instead of milling around doing nothing. Someone was caught on camera during the battle that should'nt have been there. The music was atmospheric though, hard to hear the voice acting but just about caught what was going on. Nice warp effect at the end, but maybe a nice effect to show the Dark wizard healing himself after he took the pasting he got, as he just got up and ran away. maybe better to have had him explode into a ball of light perhaps? Sort out the niggles and you will have a better result at the end, maybe try and borrow another camera and film from multiple angles and paste them all together for a better movie experience. Not going to give you a dress down like alot of the other posts, we are all supposed to help eachother and improve, not rip into the people involved, constructive critisism is the best, not downright disrespect, remember people that there are alot of people out there that don't even know how to transfer video footage to PC or MAC let alone edit effects onto the footage.....So fair play on the effort here guys, just be aware for the future of the slips that were made during editing. I would seiously consider re-shooting this scene and pay closer attention to the comments made that you consider helpful.....look forward to seeing more in the future. biggrin good luck