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Who watches the criminals

Posted: Wed, 26th Nov 2003, 11:35am

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A criminal thinks he's got away with another crime.....

Superteam Presents a short Thriller with no "comedy"





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Posted: Wed, 26th Nov 2003, 12:01pm

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Good stuff b4! Really enjoyed this one, and felt quite spooked by it in places - particularly when he walks back into the room to find the camera all set up.

This is by far my favourite film of yours. In fact, I'd say this is your best film - concise story idea, nifty camerawork, solid acting, generally well-executed. Only thing that could have been improved noticeably is the music - not the choice, but the levels, which varied a bit at times and were a bit distracting.
Posted: Wed, 26th Nov 2003, 12:30pm

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Thankyou Tarn smile

I started to use copyright free music and the sound was really loud, I was impressed by the quality of the music but as you said when it came to "theme from godzilla" the music level changed sad
Thanks once again.
(I got the copyright free from: http://www.freeplaymusic.com )
Posted: Wed, 26th Nov 2003, 1:18pm

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heh, nice one b4! I reconized some of that music from Freeplaymusic.

Nice, i liked some of those camera angles they seemed a bit more creative than SMOOTHNECKS or the STARGATE series. A few bothered me, the one at VERY end mostly. When you went behind the pole, the camera tried to focus, then it kinda looked out of focus on the subject until it worked again....just minor things.

Cool! a 4 biggrin
Posted: Wed, 26th Nov 2003, 1:23pm

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Hi

that was intended sad the idea was not to show you how it was until the last point ( also the 2 cars in the film were different and should have been the same ) so I used the out of focus to help.

I enjoyed making this, your right Smoothnecks I couldn't do much creative because of the amount of CGI and the 3D stuff. sad
thanks for you comments.
Posted: Wed, 26th Nov 2003, 1:27pm

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About the last shot - I actually found it a bit redundant. I'd have rather it ended before that shot, as you understand everything that is going on, and ending on the criminal being killed would have been perfect. The extra shot with the car at the end seems kind of unnecessary and somewhat lessened the "whoah..." impact of the ending for me.
Posted: Wed, 26th Nov 2003, 1:45pm

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hmmm,
really, I was scared that people wouldn't get it.

Maybe I should have done a test screening first?
thanks for the comments I'm going to enter it into the 2004 IAC film festival ( entries need to be in by end Jan 04 ) I'll proberly change the ending then.
thanks once again
Posted: Wed, 26th Nov 2003, 1:50pm

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Yeah, with films like this it's always really difficult to judge as and when the audience are going to 'get' it. Maybe people that watch the movie could write here at which point they 'got' it, to help you determine what to do for the festival entry?

I think I 'got' it when the main guy walked into the room and saw the camera on the TV. At that point I thought "ooo..." but wasn't certain, then it got confirmed by the stabbing. So the final shot, for me, seemed like a bit too much.

Good stuff, though, as I said. This is the kind of short story that really appeals to me - just a solid idea, explored effectively, nicely structured with a bit of a twist and mystery. It's why I love the old sci-fi short stories from the 50s and 60s: they were all based around a core idea, explored it carefully and imaginatively, then ended. Leaves you thinking and going "oo...." smile
Posted: Wed, 26th Nov 2003, 3:24pm

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I really liked that
Its the kind of short story that i like and it kind of had an eeriness to it especially when he was watching the video tape i thought that was filmed well, and then when he walked back in and saw the video camera on top recording him i thought ooo i like, i liked it a lot very cool

Mark biggrin
Posted: Wed, 26th Nov 2003, 3:27pm

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nice angles - guy walking to car
reflection shot of guy in car with it angled!! most impressive. nice depth!
the window shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! unbelievable
going in the house shot I didn't like sad Couldn't tell who it was. maybe compression smile
hands in bag! Bag pov!
pc shot excellent w/ skull
pov CLICKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
cu!!
reflection in PC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
angles! angles! the overhead open door shot!!!!!!!!!!
WOW! best thing on ALAMDV!

These are just the notes I took but I wanted to give you some quick feedback! Great work!
Posted: Wed, 26th Nov 2003, 3:30pm

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Rating: +1

Quick, someone give X a sedative!
Posted: Wed, 26th Nov 2003, 3:50pm

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CLEAR *BZZZ* CLEAR *BZZZ*

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Posted: Wed, 26th Nov 2003, 3:54pm

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I have replied to a message in a long time so I built up a lot of positve feedback!

And the piece was excelent. I have been reading lots of film books lately and B4 technique has gone through the roof! I realy was very impressed!
Posted: Wed, 26th Nov 2003, 3:56pm

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It did seem like a big advance. Maybe by not being over-ambitious on the special effects department, b4's been able to show us what he can really do.
Posted: Thu, 27th Nov 2003, 3:19pm

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While I have enjoyed your sci-fi work, this genre appears to be where your talents shine. I'd like to see you do more in this new area. I liked the lighting-creepy-and the tight claustrophobic feel of the set. The death-by-knife was anticlimatic, unfortunately. This was a nice example of where the 'less is more' philosophy of filmmaking stands out. It had a stark and ominous feel to it. What's next? I would have given you a 3.5 but I don't know how to do that.
Posted: Thu, 27th Nov 2003, 5:48pm

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Very different Ian, and I enjoyed it, a lot of thought had gone into the shots which you used throughout. I didn't really see the point in the ending being there and you coulda dramatically stopped it at the point of the camera being on the tv... smile

Really nice editing as well, smooth sound bridges (two elements that your Stargate episodes seem to faulter on).

Enjoyable! 4/5
Posted: Thu, 27th Nov 2003, 6:00pm

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Congratulations B4 on a project which i think is your best work yet.Only 5mins long yet a real spooky story unfolds B4 your very eyes in a creepy and unnatural look designed to put you in the middle of it all.This is a well thought out story put into the movie format with great flair and it looks like u enjoyed every minute of this one.
Everybody involved in this have shown great skills and restraint.
Bloody great stuff.
All previous posts say it all .
Posted: Thu, 27th Nov 2003, 7:39pm

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Great work Ian, very hard to fault that - a very origional film, it's great to see people being so origional.

I think the only real thing that let it down was the 3D Glass, in a film like that I don't think it's worth risking because as soon as someone sees 3D that looks out of place, it gives the film a poorer, more amateur impression. But even so, it worked well. The camera going through the other window looked great.

The only other thing I would of suggested, is a 'colour' tweaken. Different colours emphasize different 'mood's. As we saw in Solthar's NightCast prologue, it worked really well because he switched from a warm, yellow glow of colours to a dark, blue set of colours.
In your next films, try to do something similar.

Anyways, I'll give you a 5 for it. Great stuff!
Posted: Thu, 27th Nov 2003, 8:39pm

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Cheers everyone for your honest and great comments biggrin ..it was different to do some serious acting for once (instead of the falling over and acting dumb..lol)...but i did find it hard to keep a straight face at times..but you don't see that, thank god..we are going to work on a few more shorts as it give us a chance to show that it's not all spoof and comedy that we do...and it helps us expand our scope of film making.....again thank for your comments we will take all that you have said and use them to our advantage.....cheers...(the Criminal)
Posted: Thu, 27th Nov 2003, 8:55pm

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Not bad b4, not bad at all. I liked this much more than your sci-fi movies.

Pros:

-fx - very subtle and great use for the glass. I love that kind of stuff.
-music - nicely chosen

Cons:

-the framing was poor for alot of it and the camera work seemed undecided. too many closeups
-a little too slow

3
Posted: Thu, 27th Nov 2003, 10:58pm

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Hey

Wasn't bad at all.

Like Cypher said - too many close ups - seems like everything gets a close up (ex: the hand on the railing post- why? lol)

The glass shattering was alright - doesn't look like it fits the scene tho. Doesn't land on the seats, falls to slow, disappears? why not make deflectors for the glass shards so they actually fall onto the seat with dim shadows maybe?

- the glass on the other window was GREAT tho. Didn't even realize it was added until i thought to myself "how the hell did he go through the glass?!?! someone roll it up REALLY quick?!?!?!?"

WHen the guy is in a "trance" when hes watching the movie seems a little - weird? he seems more hypnotized than shocked - and his reaction to the phone is a little late.

It's hard to understand it at frist - Why is he breaking into the car?
and between all the cuts and shots there is just under 1 minute of "travel" time and "getting the camera set up" time before you see any of whats on the camera. Maybe it's not necesary to show EVERYTHIGN he does in getting the camera and setting it up, as you forget that he took it out of a car and its not his- @ first i thought he was watching a regular movie and didn't understand why he was in what looked like a trance.

I dont understand the shot where the glass skull is in front of the actor. It takes the viewers attention away from him and what hes doing, maybe if it was blurred and didn't have such a strong presence?


The death wasn't bad - Possibly Idea - When you have the close up on the camera's lens - why dont you put 3d glass over it, then you can put in a reflection of the killer sneeking up behind the main guy. So as the main guy is staring at the camera the killer sneeks in - all in a reflection in the camera's lens?? - might look cool! or not? lol

is the person walking up to the house @ the end the guy's family and their next? the framing of that shot (from inside the house) is a bit off. There is WAY too much headroom above the actor as they walk outside towards the house.

And maybe you can do something cool with the "WHo watched the criminals" title at the beggining? instead of plain white text.

Sorry if it seems like im badmouthing the film. Honestly i thought it was great - just trying to help out in hopefully making it better. Everythign i said is just an opinion obviously so disregard all of it, part of it if ya want wink lol
Great film tho! Good Job!

-MAGIC
Posted: Fri, 28th Nov 2003, 9:21am

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Thanks
I Have taken everything everyone has said and will use it for the prequal, Don't worry I already tested the story out and people was blown away by it, so it should be good confused

I was wondering if anyone would notice that the camera was pulled through the car insted of zooming out, ( I put the camera on the tripod and extended it fully and put the camera on the end and puled it through then in AE if added the glass with reflection to make it look like the camera came through the glass without breaking it, looks better without compression. )

thanks once again.
Posted: Fri, 28th Nov 2003, 3:35pm

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I thought it was being pulled through the car - if you ask me i think that would look better - its kind of like WTF, how did the camera go through the window - gives it a very proffesional (similar to bad boys 2 or panic room) kind of feel almost.

I would suggest leaving it as if the camera is being pulled through the car.
Unless thats what its supposed to look like. If its supposed to be the camera zooming out, i would say leave it so it lookes like the camera is being pulled...

-MAGIC
Posted: Fri, 28th Nov 2003, 9:38pm

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Yup this was a really good one, nice to see something more subtle, I thought the ending was fine, I probably wouldn't have shown the actual death, but the ending where the case is put back in the car I like because it makes it a nice circular story.

My only real complaint would be about the music, I just thought it was too over the top dramatic, I would have preffered to see it with no music but lots of enhanced ambient sounds to make it spooky.
Posted: Fri, 28th Nov 2003, 10:37pm

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I liked the over the top music, I think it would have suffered without it.

I like the concept, a sort of a polish on snuff movies..I've seen a similar film to this called "Tesis" which had a similar shock factor.

The glass shatering was good, although the sound could have done with a bit of surround added to it - what I call atmosphere. It sounded too contained.

Some of the camera work was too jittery for me, & I kept on seeing someone loitering in the distance inside the house, though you didn't see their face/full body, & that kept on bugging me.

On the whole though the film had a lot of style, it was just let down by a few things that might easily have been fixed.

I agree with the others about the ending. I thought the film lost some of its power seeing the person's face, you should have left their hood on.
Posted: Fri, 5th Dec 2003, 1:45pm

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Rating: -1

do you always vote for your own movies?
Posted: Fri, 5th Dec 2003, 3:50pm

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I have done after I saw 100's of others do it sad, ( no need to hide behind guest ) I'm not angry about your question and it raises a point that at least i vote fairly on other films aswell, i've seen people on here that only vote for their film and no others.

Infact I watched Toy Wars: The Phantom Scalper Menace and thought it was worth a 3, but before I voted I looked at how others had voted it and at that point it was all 5's and because my film is in the top ten I didn't vote because people would think I voted it low to get my film a higher score, so me being fair has stopped me voting on other films.
How many people can say the same?
I hope this answers you question.
Posted: Fri, 5th Dec 2003, 6:00pm

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How can u vote for ure own film...just because other pathetic individuals see the need to vote to raise their film, does not mean u need to be a sheep..if u appreciate ure film tht much then u will give it the chance to do well without ure influence. Sadly it wont work out for you in the real world and if you cant take honest criticism whether it be positive or negative then you cannot succed in filmaking. Unless of course you are just an amateur with a film hobby. If so dont come onto this website pretending to be something your not (talented).

P.S Please please please make an interesting film.
Posted: Fri, 5th Dec 2003, 6:12pm

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ZanarkandAbes wrote:

How can u vote for ure own film...just because other pathetic individuals see the need to vote to raise their film, does not mean u need to be a sheep..if u appreciate ure film tht much then u will give it the chance to do well without ure influence.
You see, up until here you had something of a point.

Unfortunately you went on to write this:

Sadly it wont work out for you in the real world and if you cant take honest criticism whether it be positive or negative then you cannot succed in filmaking.
What exactly are you referring to here? I don't recall you offering any criticism of b4's movie, 'honest' or otherwise. As for what other people have said here, it is pretty clear that b4 has taken note of everything and appreciated the comments.

Seeing as b4 has made many films and has many fans, and has had his movies watched by thousands of people, I'm not sure what you define 'success' as. Your own personal stamp of approval perhaps?

Unless of course you are just an amateur with a film hobby.
You write that as if it is a bad thing. In which case you'd be insulting just about everyone at FXhome.com. Everyone here started out as an amateur with a film hobby. Some people have progressed beyond that. Again, what exactly is your point?

If so dont come onto this website pretending to be something your not (talented).
I can't recall b4 pretending to be something he is not anywhere in this topic. In fact, this seems to be more about you making a personal attack on him for no particularly good reason, and with even less basis in reality.

P.S Please please please make an interesting film.
Many would say he already has. How would you define an 'interesting' film? What is interesting to one person may not be to another - b4's Stargate films were not directly appealing to me due to my lack of familiarity with the show, but many fans of the Stargate show really enjoyed them.

Sort out your argument and then let us know what your real gripe is. In the meantime, go back to playing blitzball and don't take pot shots at people for no reason other than to seemingly try and make them feel bad.
Posted: Mon, 8th Dec 2003, 7:22pm

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Thanks you Tarn for your comments....the other person ( can't be bothered to spell IT) seems like they have a great big problem and are here just to moan...ok there are a few people that don't like our films, but it happens in the movie world, and you just have to live with it....I do all the acting in our films (guy with the glasses) and i have know b4 for many years...he enjoys what he does and films with so much passion (not going gay here...lol)...but sometimes he can take comments a little personal..but i think everyone has their reason to say things and there are a few films on here that i thought were trash...anyway thats my say and moan.....but cheers for the defence Tarn...much appretiated smile
Posted: Tue, 9th Dec 2003, 8:11am

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this does answer my question b4uask, however, this is not a personal attack on you or your films in anyway, but it would seem more fair and realistic if your vote for your own film was a 4 maybe or whatever rating you felt it deserved, but if you vote it 5, then its hard to see at as a realistc evalutation of your own work as it seems rather biast. (oyh btw - toy wars deserves way more than a 3!! ) i hope i dont seem like i'm having a moan.
Posted: Tue, 9th Dec 2003, 9:20am

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Voting is a great idea but don't get so hung up about it. Being in the top 10 is great & gives you kudos but we are here, after all, to make films & show them to everyone. I haven't submitted a film yet but when I do I will find the personal replies in the forum more valuable than the ratings or position in the chart it receives.

I don't really take chart positions seriously, but if you are taking it seriously then maybe you shouldn't vote for your own film as it can seem sneaky. Also, you should rate a film what you think regardless of what you think anyone else will say, so maybe you should have voted what you thought for Toy Wars, b4?

I don't take it seriously because everyone is going to have a different opinion about how good a film is, & come from a different viewpoint, & base their rating on different criteria than everyone else, & that's why I find comments more useful because it allows you to see where people are coming from.

Mel neutral
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Hi
I have given my films in the past lower scores sadly they wee hosted with geekshelf and have now been deleted and because they were not "5" star films i've not wasted my new webspace on putting them back up. ( hope that shows that I believe in fair ratings)
I mentioned before about the way I rate films, ( Lightsabre films have lost something for me so they need to be special, also if it's a trailer i will only give 4 or lower to allow for full film to get a 5, If there is something in a film that I can't do and it's good it will get an extra rate point, but to me toy wars seemed avarage, sorry ( I know comments like this can cause people to be upset when they believe the film should have the top marks ) but i've learnt on here the everyone votes in their own way using the experience they have learnt.

If your comment " toy wars should be worth more than 3" is to be taken honestly then the same would apply for this film "who watches the criminals" where it got a vote of 0, but I learned the same as Mellifluous, comments are more important than a quick fix in the top ten and after 3 weeks it's gone, but the comments can change you in to something better.
Posted: Mon, 15th Dec 2003, 9:18pm

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nice movie, but please next time, take a picture a someone with better lips or at least pick the dead skin off them so there's no lumps. It was kind of nasty looking, otherwise, goodjob!
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lol,
I'll mention that to him for the next film.
Posted: Sat, 20th Dec 2003, 5:35am

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Nice job as always B4. Really liked most of your camera angles but felt some were too obstructed (such as the last shot with the window). Cool foreground framing with the crystal skull! The story is a little hard to follow. Minor quibbles that have been said before. Nice job overall. You always put your heart in your projects and it shows.
Posted: Sat, 20th Dec 2003, 4:16pm

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Enjoyed the movie. Nice new logo and the skull / remote control shots were fantastic. I thought the film had a lot of tension and this was helped greatly by the acting of the main guy. Seems some others have given him gip... What I will say is that everybody has a slightly different idea of what makes good acting. I personally think he does a wonderful job using a variety of subtle facial expressions to convey his thoughts in a highly plausible manner. cool
Often people don't 'get' what an actor is trying to do and they misread the performance - this happened a bit with my film 'The Spirit of The Hunt.' I will always defend peoples acting in moments like this: I went to the London Academy of Performing Arts and am now an equity card carrying actor - although limited in experience compared with some I know a little of how people work hard and take pride in their acting. It's putting in the effort and having a go that when all is said and done makes it admirable. This is as true of Shakespeare on the stage as it is of an fxhome movie.

Good movie with a morally dubious 'hero' - kill a mosquito with a sledgehammer style justice.