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The Final Assasin

Posted: Thu, 27th Nov 2003, 10:47am

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MATT PUGH

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The son of a murdered Hitman is out to seek revenge against his fathers employer.


P.S. Loud gunfights may scare small cats and dogs.
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Posted: Thu, 27th Nov 2003, 2:21pm

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uh, wasnt this already on here
Posted: Thu, 27th Nov 2003, 3:16pm

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nice i liked it. good acting comparded to some movies i have seen. i liked the action. allthough i thought that the assain should have had a samari sword. biggrin
it was fun, awsome and entertaining.
peace out
Posted: Fri, 28th Nov 2003, 12:31am

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yes jesse this was already on here. But I had to take it off to hide it from the local media for a while. Then I resubmitted it.


PEACE OUT
Posted: Fri, 28th Nov 2003, 12:35am

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ok...........................
Posted: Fri, 28th Nov 2003, 3:58am

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Hide from local media????
Posted: Fri, 28th Nov 2003, 5:14am

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I think its a joke........
Posted: Fri, 28th Nov 2003, 5:44pm

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Good little movie, but this isn't the best that you've done. I liked Writer's Block much more for the story in it and your starwars movie for the FX. I was unfortunately kind of bored watching TFA and only a few things are worth mentioning...ie, the jump (although you cut WAY too much on it and thus lost some effect) and when he killed that guy in the pool. That was cool.

The dialogue was all over the place and was only hurt by the delivery. It felt like you were taking it one line at time (which isn't bad) but it lost continuity.

I do look forward to your other projects!
Posted: Fri, 28th Nov 2003, 8:12pm

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MATT PUGH

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A trailer of my film was showed in my school. ANd the media thought it was like a columbine film without acually seeing it. Columbine was a high school here in the US that was shot up my two students wearing trenchcoats. SO I had to hide it so the media couldn't get a copy of it and say wierd twisted things about it. The news lies about anything just to get a good story.

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Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2003, 2:20pm

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A good effort, but you have to invest in a tripod, which is essential.I notice many bad cross camera cuts. The line of speech is a bit awfull in the beginning, but I liked the story and the build-up of the story line. Another thing is the sihouette shots, I explain the scenes shot against the lights, windows ect... Always add addtional light and avoid backlight unless you conpensate with at least one or two stops over exposure.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK

Anthony Agius ( Malta )
Posted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2003, 4:16pm

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Ahhhhh the final assasin movie, re-release. This movie caused alot of head aches for me at the High school. Matt another great job, it's fun to watch you progress in your skills. For those who do not believe Matt, yes this movie cuased a big ruckus in Las Vegas. The media here is a bunch of rabid dogs that bribe our kids with cold pizza for anything worthy of tv time.

One last thing, the reason why it got everyone in a pot of hot water was becuase the trailer did not get across what the movie was about. So Matt you need to set your story up a little better in the trailer. That would have aliviated all the problems. But still good stuff

Riese
Posted: Sat, 27th Dec 2003, 11:42pm

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Awesome way for Patrillo to cash out. Sweet kick.
The camera steadiness during conversations and also the final shot of JJ walking away could have used some stabilization. The camera noise as the camera tilted back at the end killed me.
I'd throw in some more wide shots of the two guys talking at the beginning.....but that's just me.

Nice work. I loved the bullet-conversion job on the paintball gun!
Posted: Wed, 4th Feb 2004, 2:05am

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Rating: -3

Long and hard have I searched for the worst film ever made..
Posted: Fri, 6th Feb 2004, 5:38am

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and short and easy did I find the biggest dumbass on this site.


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Posted: Fri, 6th Feb 2004, 5:57am

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Haha. Nice retort, matt.
Posted: Fri, 6th Feb 2004, 9:37pm

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Well matt, heres the thing..

This might sound harsh or critical, but why else would you put your movies on here? obviously for people to see and comment on.


Basic summary:

Starts with a scene you could have filmed in a catholic church during its off-hours no problem, but instead its in an obvious teenagers room. (no comment)

Intensely poor props, one of which is an amidala pistol (wtf?)

This is when i was starting to wonder if it is a parody.

this followed by some cheesy xzibit wannabe trying to act like a guy you need to interrogate, then the worst shootout ever to be displayed on video (with airsoft mini's..uhh.why..) happens, also involving overacting and trememdously bad special effects. then you find your dads killer who is a ultra, ultra cheesy villainous teenager with (cheap) paintball gun..Overacting ensues, and the overly used and now typical and lame plot unfolds, followed by too long credits (which i personally wouldnt ever do with a movie like this one)


Remember, im not dissing anyone here, its the simple truth, this has go to be on of the most half-assed attempts i have yet to see. your clone test was better than this, and that was a test!
Posted: Sun, 8th Feb 2004, 4:37am

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Allright, so if I think that your film is terrible, I am unintelligent? It would be the same thing to call you a dumbass for not liking the tayste of oranges, which doesn't make sense.
Posted: Sun, 8th Feb 2004, 5:05am

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Yeah, that doesn't make sense. Tayste? THAT would make me question your intelligence.
Posted: Sun, 8th Feb 2004, 7:50am

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Bryce I'll announce to you when I get a huge budget to buy props. And when the church gets empty(if ever). So then I can make sonmething to fit your taste.

MAsta Ooba. I was calling you a dumb ass not becuase you don't like the movie. but becuase you were ignorant enough to type up such a pointless post. Many of people do not like my films becuase I don't have props or a boom mic. But what the hell can ya do with only enough money to upgrade your PC and buy gas for your car. And spend it on your girlfriend.


PEACE OUT
Posted: Sun, 8th Feb 2004, 8:31am

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Huge budget...


4 Plastic toy guns modeled after the real thing: $4.00 total at the dollar store

Church location for shooting the opening scene that wouldnt bother anyone: free

Better (non-cheesy) dialogue: free

More time spent editing: free

Simple and unhindering camera angles: free

Less corny action scenes: free

Putting a little effort and thought into someting people are going to have to download for a while: Priceless
Posted: Sun, 8th Feb 2004, 10:11pm

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Rating: +1

Acually there was a total of 3 plastic guns. totalling over $4 each you freakin' moron.

Also a paintball gun is damn near impossible to find under 60 bucks at least here it is.

And I am very honest about how I feel about my films. And yes I know the first action scene was corny. But the two after that I think I did very well in. By the way you are the only person to ever diss on my editing. One of the things I get good points for in every film I make, so I'll disregard that comment. As for the dialouge Perhaps it was too much for your seemingly small intelligence to grasp. Maybe I'll water it down a bit for you. And the only church I could use would not allow guns of any kind within its walls.

Wow. And you acually had the nerve to tell me I don't put effort into my movie. You are now at the top of my list for stupid ass people. You have no right to say how much effort someone puts into their movies. Especially if they are passionate about the craft itself. So untill YOU COME UP WITH SOME WORK OF YOUR OWN FOR US TO SEE. You can suck my ass punk. (CSB please don't erase any of this. Bryce needs to read this stuff)

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Posted: Sun, 8th Feb 2004, 10:49pm

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I tend to agree with you, Matt.

It's easy to talk about camera angles. Until the camera is in your hand.

It's easy to talk about dialog. Until you're delivering the line.

It's easy to talk about props. Until you're the one that has to rotoscope that airsoft to look real.

It's easy to talk about everything you read in that one book you tripped over. Until you have line production control.
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 1:12am

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Well, i wont comment on anything you said, since all of it was poorly said and overly defensive.

To put it bluntly, i have a hard time believing you put a large amount of effort into that. I happen to think you could do better if you were to spend some more time conceiving the lines and asking location permission. (why would you need the guns in the church? you could just angle them out.)

As for me talking like it is easy, thats exactly opposite of my point. Its not easy at all, infact, its takes alot of work and time and (that overly used word) passion to make a movie that seems like more than some replayed video of what you did yesterday. This movie didnt reflect that quite as well as i thought i would from the cinema pics and storyline. All you basically told me with that last post is that you know how to make excuse for your movies. Nothing more really....
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 1:25am

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Aculag wrote:

Yeah, that doesn't make sense. Tayste? THAT would make me question your intelligence.
Doing something really conservative like questioning someone's intelligence because of a typo is what makes me question someone's intelligence.
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 2:00am

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BaneyBoy wrote:



Doing something really conservative like questioning someone's intelligence because of a typo is what makes me question someone's intelligence.
Even this is pretty hard to understand heh
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 4:00am

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BRyce 007- no excuses are being made for anything. I was simply telling you to shut your can about the effort someone has put into their films. And also shut your ass about the cost of props. And I was also telling you to get off your fat lazy ass and make a film for us all to see. Before you start dissing the product of someone else. I didn't review anyones films poorly untill I put Star Wars up on here. So you shouldn't either.

It looks kinda gay to talk crap about someones artwork, while you're hiding behind an empty canvas.

PEACE OUT
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 5:55am

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recall how i never said you didnt put any effort in? i said it was hard to believe, and SEEMED like you could have done better. Are you saying you couldnt have done better? besides this, i dont really feel the need to pay for webspace when i get tons of people from around here who want to see it. I also never dissed your project, i said it could be improved. Saying that you could have not used a friggin amidala pistol is hardly dissing, its just common sense. Would you take a movie seriously if you saw bruce willis during a gunfight pull out an amidala pistol? (dont even bring up the budget, since toyguns that look realistic are very, very cheap) As for the hiding behind empty canvas, i already addressed that with the webspace comment.

Mentions of my ass: 2. how bout no more?
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 6:56am

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Bryce I use zedstatic to host my films. And it's free! I pay no money at all.
here is the site ( zed.cbc.ca ) just register and upload your film. Now there is no reason for you to hide your work.


PEACE OUT


PS. I'll stop mentioning your ass when you stop talking out of it!
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 7:02am

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I find your presence here on alam to be very negative. So far, you've bigged up your friends films and dissed practically everyone elses. Personally I wonder if you're just here to cause trouble. You say you're giving advice, but I haven't really seen anything worth taking into consideration. $4 for guns? Woooo... Like we wouldn't already know that. sleep

No webspace? Hmm... and you call these guys lazy? unsure

And what's with the dumb comparisons? I.E.
Would you take a movie seriously if you saw bruce willis during a gunfight pull out an amidala pistol? (dont even bring up the budget, since toyguns that look realistic are very, very cheap)
Well, gee. I was under the impression that Bruce Willis films are usually extremely well-financed affairs when it comes to the gun sections! And secondly, if you can't get past the look of the gun, why do you bother watching ANY film? You'd probably find too many things to dislike.

Adam.

P.S. I see Matt has been kind enough to give you a free hosting link! Showtime folks! biggrin
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 7:08am

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i would like to see your films as well bryce...
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 7:36am

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See, heres the thing about me being negative..

I dont know anyone at all on this forums whatsoever, and never have.

Not CX3, ajaxx, and whoever else is involved in cobra and M.A.F.I.A, mecha force, sidewinder, twisted studios or anyone else i have complimented and thought did a good/excellent job. dont know any of them, but i certainly think they show talent and know what it takes to make a movie entertaining.

As for you, adamlightandmagic, you seem to think im interested in making fun of and putting down everyone who had movies that i didnt like. Whereas, I though i was telling them in that main post in the filmakers forum called "check this out" that making better movies isnt very hard and if they really wanted to put more time and effort into movies, they're movies would look far superior to previous attempts. Incase some people havent noticed, if you watch certain peoples films on here, it seems that they dont make attempts to improve there movies, and instead fall back on what is easy like lightsaber tests and 2 min test gunfights. matt didnt do this, but i simply thought he could have made a better movie if he had thought it through a little bit more. Obviously this advice is not taken well, so i wont review or say anything about matts movies or your (very) few own. I will continue to give honest opinions on those others that dont resort to insulting and telling me that my reviews are wrong and stupid and that i should review the movies for what they are, home movies. I review them based on entertainment, and to put it bluntly, when i saw final assassin, i was laughing at how heavy the dialogue was and how underdeveloped and (seemingly) quickly the movie was put together. since you dont like hearing this, and neither does adam, i wont talk about it any further. As for my experience in movies, i have had to make many many many many many crappy and lame tests and parodies and anything else you could concieve in order to get where i am today. not to say that i am better than anyone else on this site, because only a critic can judge that. Also, i wont be linking any of my movies to this site because i can tell there will be some people waiting to tear it apart because they are overly defensive. So, to finish this post, "Inventive movie, good job"
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 9:48am

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I guess that answers that, huh?
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 6:01pm

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Bryce, If your films are any good I won't rip it to shreads. Just let go of your wimpy little attitude and show us something!


PEACE OUT

PS. If your are good at what you do then you shouldn't be afraid to post up your work on the free site that I just gave you.
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 6:29pm

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I would give Bryce's movies a chance. Because I'm a fair guy. So, I'd rethink your decision. I'd hate to think that you don't have any... j/k!
Posted: Fri, 13th Feb 2004, 5:21am

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I think people can criticize any film no matter how poorly it is made or presented. I haven't made any films myself (allthough I'm working on one right now) but behind good reason. I feel that you shouldn't create anything terrible or even faulty, and that you don't absolutely have to experience failing to succeed.
My, or anyone else including Bryce, criticizing youre poor piece of work, has absolutely nothing to do with how many films we have made ourselves. Terrible or exelent.
Budget- I agree that a sixteen year old attemting to set a budget for a film is very hard, even if you do have a job. But consider Bad Action Movie. We used plastic guns that were painted black and looked just as real as most of the guns used in films on this site (besides the shotgun, which was an antique one of our parents had).
Over all, we spent a total of zero dollars on the film. Just be creative. That's one of the things you're going to have to learn about filmmaking Matt.
Art- I noticed you brought up the word art in referance to you're film The Final Assassin. Art has allmost nothing to do with acting, storyline, characters, special effects, or music. Using you're camera to you're advantage, and making shots interesting is what brings art out of film. Make use of everything that you have. Be creative. I saw very little of this in the film.
For example, we used a tripod in Bad Action Movie to start it off (I know good ones cost money, but you can find some for ten dollars or less). Instead of a dolly, we used a car. Instead of a normal boring shot with lighting techniques, we used the sun to create a sillouette. That's art. And it's something very few people have the capacity to view or create.

Matt, I have a lot of respect for you. You write scripts for you're films, which most people do not. You act, which is hard I know. You edit (which I think you do a good job on, especially in Writer's Block). But there is allways several things missing from you're films, which allows people like myself and Bryce to criticize and point them out.
Remember that film is art, as long as you make the effort to transform it so. Try to think of more origional ideas for you're films as well, this will make them much more appealing to everyone. And spend time on you're films, actuall time. It is you're alie. You have a lot of time to impress people and show talent.
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I agree with everything oooba JUST said about filmaking.
Posted: Fri, 13th Feb 2004, 5:40am

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...you don't absolutely have to experience failing to succeed.
Rare. Very rare... Life is about trial and error. No-one gets things right, first time.

Art has allmost nothing to do with acting, storyline, characters, special effects, or music.
I can't believe you just said that. Almost nothing!? Try telling that to the actors, musicians, writers, etc. etc.

Instead of a dolly, we used a car.
So anyone with a driving license and a car is set!! lol. If you wanna get real creative, wheelchairs are very smooth. That's what I'd use for a dolly. Or perhaps something simpler like a normal office-chair on wheels - combined with a cheaply put together track made of cardboard tubing. This can be found in kitchen foil or clingfilm holders. No shit, it really works!

Instead of a normal boring shot with lighting techniques, we used the sun to create a sillouette. That's art.
I hear what you're saying, but it just sounds like you were practical. Anyone can have the common sense to do what you did. Even by mistake. Stumbling upon that technique. Hey, there's the trial and error creeping in.


What I find puzzling about you and your friends' posts - is that they stick up for each other (Fair enough) and have the same views (Hmm). Contradictions? God forbid.

Adam.
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See, masta ooba gets my point without saying im wrong 100% of the time.
Just to put it as simply as possible, there was little innovation.


Also, to comment on what adam said, I dont really see why someone would have to fail in order to succeed later. That wouldnt really make alot of sense if you are mature and intelligent enough to understand what makes something successful. Lets say someone goes and hangs out with steven spielberg for a month, but never actually makes a film of this persons own, but instead watches steve make movies and learns from what he sees, never having actually failed. Do you think he would be able to make a movie that didnt suck afterwards, or would he absolutely have to fail in order to become successful later? anyways, something to ponder..
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and that you don't absolutely have to experience failing to succeed.
In some cases thats true but if we are talking about film, which i would believe to be the topic, then thats false. Filmmaking is a constant learning process. It doesnt matter how established of a filmmaker you are either. When your done making a film and you sit back and watch it, you are going to notice things that you wish you'd changed. Or somebody is going to point something out to you about the film that they didnt like and even though you might get protective about it and say ("i dont see what your talking about" or "your wrong" or "thats the way i meant to do it"). You try and convince yourself that nothing is wrong but then it starts growing on you and you realize that you shouldve done something else for that particular (shot, scene, line, what-have-you). But your not really going to re-edit the film after its done, so what do you do? You learn from you mistakes. Try not to repeat the mistakes that you had in your last film and fix them in your new film. (i.e. - Trial and Error). Nobody is capable of creating the perfect film right from the start. Thats just my take on it, dont know if any one else feels the same.

-Chris
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You see? Trial and error. We are human. That's what you need to remember.

Oh and that little idea about watching Spielberg and then making a movie that can't fail? That was a joke, wasn't it? Just watching someone is learning. But applying it is something else. It's the difference between watching someone play a musical instrument and trying to replicate what you saw. It's impossible.
Practice and real experience are the keys to getting things the way you want. Not by watching someone work and trying to apply what they did. And if you do, that's going to turn into trial and error. Because it's near impossible.

Adam.
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well what Ive heard t'yall saying is that no one will ever be entirely satisfied with their film and we all no that to be true. However just because you (who has had to watch that movie a billion times while making it) think that it can be improved, others who havnt seen before or dont really care that much about filming, may think its awesome! then you would have success, just not in your eyes.

Oh we'all (my team and me) use books as trolly's for head shots or low to the ground shots. Just put the camera on the book and you can slide the book back and forth without much ressistance ! biggrin
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I believe that trial and error is not allways a must, especially if you have talent. I also believe that if you dedicate enough time and energy to a film, you can be completely satisfied with it.
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I'm not so sure about that. Even Spielberg has said that he always finds things he could have done better in his movies.

However, you can be completely satisfied with your movie under the circumstance, even if there are parts you know you could have done better.
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yes but, are his movies errors? no they just could be better in areas. They still succeeded. I dont think ooba is saying error is obsolete, he's just saying that its not what makes and brakes a movie all the time ( I think confused )
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I feel this movie is highly underrated
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Yeah, and that's why you can be satisfied with your movies even when they aren't perfect.
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Exactly, theres no such thing as the perfect movie, but i still think that someone could make a movie that was successful and entertaining having never attempted it before. Also, as a sidenote, i wasnt joking ALM, and considering half the stuff i see you say, it would seem you are joking about 90% of the time/
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MASTA OOBA. Isn't it funny how you ramble on about the talent and artwork and effort put into your film "BAD ACTION MOVIE" when it is getting lower ratings than mine. And isn't in funny how you diss on my film becuase of the "lack of effort" while yours shows none of the clever art work of which you were talking about a few posts back?

And also isn't funny how you speak of being creative. And yet you were taking ideas from this very film and parodying them in your film. MASTA OOBA is seems that you contradict yourself in almost anything you say.


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Posted: Sat, 14th Feb 2004, 3:36pm

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Bryce... just hurry up and use the freespace. We're all in anticipation of 'your' debut.

And surprise surprise, you turned to an insult instead of relaying your point.

Adam.
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1. The reason why Bad Action Movie is getting worse ratings then Final Assasin is because the people who are a part of FxHome are a joke. Also, we haven't been here for long and don't know anyone at all. People also are just not rating the film. Not that they would give it a good rating anyway, because they all have a terrible sense of humor.
People want to see certain things now, this includes terrible action and poor acting. Remember, bad is good now. This is why mainstream movies make so much money because the worse the film, theoretically, the more money it will make.

2. "...isn't it funny how you diss on my film because of the "lack of effort" while yours show none of the clever art work of which you were talking about a few posts back?"

What??? I seriously don't know what you could possibly mean by this. I USED SPECIFICS.
Allright heres an analogy that might sum up the dullness of that statement:
I take a bight out of an Apple and say "wow, that was a good apple. The natural sugar made it tayste sweet." then I take a bight out of a piece of sh*t and say "good lord that's disgusting. Heres where you come in and say "You just contradicted yourself masta oooba. You said that this piece of sh*t taystes bad, yet you didn't even state why the apple taysted good. Foo." and I say "Yes I did, I just used specifics. I said that the natural sugar made the apple tayste sweet."

Do you understand the analogy.
Also: don't write random sentances that have a good chance of being inaccurate. Not only is it rude, it makes yourself look like a dumbass and an asshole. So please just don't do it.

3. The reason why we parodied you're film is because it had so much material we could use that would contribute to our goal, which was to express how terrible and unrealistic mindless action films are. We are making our own films. We are being origional and using our own ideas.

Also, if you're going to use the word -contradicting- again, consider it's use in the statement you made: "And isn't it funny how you speak of being creative. And yet you were taking ideas from this very film and parodying them in your film. MASTA OOOBA is seems that you CONTRADICT yourself in almost everything you say."

Allright lets think about that phrase "being creative".
A HITMAN TAKES REVENGE ON HIS ALSO HITMAN FATHER'S DEATH. WOW. That might just be the most creative thing I have ever heard of in my entire life. Lets consider it again. MATRIX PARODY 3. Every line was taken strait out of the film. Exept for the added shittyness of "...or more educated, or better looking.......operator, load the announcements."
Writer's Block was the only thing even remotely creative in you're embodiement of work. And even so, you used techniques that were not so out of the ordinary.

Any time you feel the need to say something like "MASTA OOOBA, it seems as though you contradict yourself in allmost everything you say." please take the time to read over the three paragraphs that contradict the sh*t out of your own self.
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My philosophy is that you should dedicate time and energy and brains into filmmaking instead of throwing an onsomble of dickless ideas together and holding a camcorder up to them. Trial and Error?? Bull sh*t. Trial and Error applies to perhaps throwing dice, but not filmmaking.
It also has a lot to do with how we each look at the phraise Trial and Error. When I hear those words, I think of trying and failing. Fail in order to succeed.

But I'm looking at filmmaking as a complicated process. Something that you can't just throw out and wish for positive results. You do not have to fail at making a good film in order to succeed in making a good film. It doesn't make sense. It would be the same thing to say that in my opinion Trail and Error being applied to filmmaking doesn't make sense either.

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Trial and Error applies to perhaps thowing dice, but not filmmaking
Cuz you know... after your practice throwing dice alot, you'll be able to throw any number you want... Dude, dice has sheiot to do with trial and error. Its probability. I dont know why you said some nonsense like that.
Im need to make a post in the filmmaking forums.. ill bb...[/quote]
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I agree that throwing dice is probability, but I was using the term Trail and Error to apply it to something simple like throwing dice, instead of something large scale and complex like filmmaking. For example: If you want a seven, and you throw the dice and it takes x amount of tries for you to actually get it, are those x amount of throws examples of Trail and Error? Why not? You tried. And failed ten times even, untill chance gave you a seven.

See what I'm saying. I was trying to explain that the way I percieve Trail and Error is trying and failing until succeeding. And, that I don't think this process of facing a challenge is ALLWAYS true in filmmaking, as many have said.
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I dunno about all that.. anyways, i posted a new topic on the Filmmaking forums on whats being talked about in here. (the trial and error part)
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After this post, I'm moving to the topic CX3 has made...

Bad Action Movie is getting worse ratings then Final Assasin is because the people who are a part of FxHome are a joke.
Oh, of course. God forbid people might not actually like your film. Hmm...

People also are just not rating the film. Not that they would give it a good rating anyway, because they all have a terrible sense of humor.
Uh hu... So anyone with a humour different to yours is wrong? Can you imagine if we were all the same and didn't have our own sense of humour!? The majority don't seem to share yours. Get over it. confused

Also: don't write random sentances that have a good chance of being inaccurate. Not only is it rude, it makes yourself look like a dumbass and an asshole. So please just don't do it.
Did you just advise yourself!?

please take the time to read over the three paragraphs that contradict the sh*t out of your own self.
I don't think you know what contradiction really means after that.

My philosophy is that you should dedicate time and energy and brains into filmmaking instead of throwing an onsomble of dickless ideas together and holding a camcorder up to them.
So, you're calling your film an "onsomble" of "dickless ideas", then? Anyone can devote time, energy and brains into something and it still turns out rubbish. Lara Croft: TR2, anyone?

I was using the term Trail and Error to apply it to something simple like throwing dice, instead of something large scale and complex like filmmaking.
And therein lies your mistake. There is no trial and error when throwing a dice. That's all about luck. Whereas filmmaking... There are so many little things that come together in filmmaking that it relies on peoples' knowledge and experiences. And the idea of trial and error is that from this, comes experience. Applied theoretical experience from mistakes and practical experience. Simple, trial and error.

And when we watch movies, we get ideas and techniques too. But then you have to try and execute what you have seen and-guess what? Trial and error time.

Adam.

P.S. The Apple analogy just shows that you don't know what a contradiction is. Yikes... Here's a link for ya - http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=16733&dict=CALD
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Ok MASTA OOBA here is an Analogy shallow enough to fit your enormus head of air.

What does a dumbass say to a retard?

Give up.

The answer is lets be friends.

OK OK so it wasn't really an analogy but it sure does relate to you and BRYCE 007 doesn't it.

Listen your movie is honestly one not worthy of high praise. And I'm not saying mine IS. So just sit back and understand for one second that everything you are saying is making you look like a complete moron.

It sounds like you are saying your film is SOOOOOO good and artistic. And that everything else on the site is crap and only get good ratings because we all know each other. Well that's a very wrong judgment. I have never met anyone here face to face. We all live across the country and across the ocean from one another.

So the whole USER united thing is complete bull. As for your analogy.

Wut the hell are you talkin about anyway. You are about as good at analogies as you are at filmmaking. Just don't do it if you aren't sure what your trying to get out of your brain.

Now I can't say I don't like the much needed arguement on my thread. But MASTA OOBA, the point is, if you are gonna do a bad review on someones film. Don't hype up your movie when it is one of the biggest sore thumbs on the site. And is only well know for it's shear stupidy.


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Matt, I don't think that Bad Action Movie is greater then everything on this site. When did I ever say that?
What I did do, is try to give you some pointers since you were asking everyone how The Final Assasin could have been better, and used specifics drawn directly out of Bad Action Movie.

When you use an analogy on message boards, it should show why something someone just said does or does not make sense.
"What does a dumbass say to a retard?"
"I Give up."
"Let's be friends."
This is trying to express that Bryce 007 and I are a dumbass and a retard. In other words, Matt Pugh just said this:
"You and Bryce 007 are retards."

When I used an analogy, which I don't think Matt understood, it was resembling how something Matt said didn't make sense.



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Pugh, i really dont understand when i became a retard, maybe it was when you couldnt handle my straight forward and unbiased review of your P.O.S, better known as "the final assassin". So, whenever you decided to stop being insecure and lame about me not loving your movie, that would be great.
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Or maybe Bryce, I began to think you were retarded when you made a dumb PARODY with resemblences to my movie in it. Did you forget about that. You can't expect to parody someones work without consent and expect a good reaction to it. Especially if it was put together as sloppily as your crap was.

Second, perhaps I started thinking you were a retard when you fed your private parts to Masta Ooba during the filming of your movie. Resulting in the constant mutual ass kissing you two have been doing latley.

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Hmm..well, hey matt, i think you forgot something...I dont work with masta ooba or anyone that is involved with him, or anyone else you have insulted on the site, which means no one. Soooo, i never parodied your movie. Also, if that parody had been made with locations and a storyline similar to yours, it might have been closer than you would think... and feel free to never mention anyones anatomical parts entering other peoples mouths ever again..
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how the hell did you come to the conclusion that bryce was involved with BAM? CS productins is myself, Ooba, Baney, and Kaz
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Oops sorry waser. Bryce and Ooba were just kissing each others asses so much I though they may have been together on that.

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If agreeing with someone is kissing there ass, That would insinuate that you and Adamlightandmagic do things i wont mention...
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Kissing eachothers asses?
Adamlightandmagic just took apart every single statement I made in a post and defended you. If Bryce and I agreeing with eachother is ass kissing, then Adamlightandmagic defending the sh*t out of you is what I call sticking ones entire head in another's ass.
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Ya know, Bryce just said that...
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Don't drag me back into this.

I brought up the point about trial and error and found both Bryce and yourself, masta, to be very unfair to Matt. I simply defended my point and found your comments very strange. And you two both share something else in common...
How can you possibly come to this site and start fights with loads of members and then expect us to take you seriously? I also find these insults to be a very anti-social way of communicating. I wonder if you're just trying to get a rise out of people here with these insults.

And I have yet to find any of your feedback to be helpful. You don't see others here throwing insults around all the time. Maybe then you'll realise why people are getting upset and annoyed with you and Bryce.

Adam.
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adamlightandmagic never Lifted up his hands to say awsome things about my movie. That isn't the case when it comes to you and masta ooba. Like he said. He wass defending his own statement and simply saying that the stuff you guys were saying was a little screwy.

Seriously you guys need to learn a lesson fast about your conduct here. I used to be rude and inconsiderate when I first started activly posting and I was almost banned from the site. You guys should straighten up becuase you are heading down the road of defeat extremely fast!!!


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In case you didnt notice, i only partially insulted matt after he just went off on my post, and decided that i was an ass for telling him he could get some cheap and more effective props...i didnt try to start any fights
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BS Bryce insulting someone will start up a fight or arguement in any circumstance. Wether the insult is partial or not.

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It was lame of me to say something meaningless and negative, unless it had a point, which most of the posts did. I enjoy argueing yes, especially when it deals with giving other people pointers here and there. It's just a habit of mine.
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I think Matt Pugh is a bit too defensive in some posts. Both sides have had some good post though.
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Jeez....I havent read this thread in like a month ago. What I wanted to say is that Matt puts alot of hard work and thought in his projects. Although I do have to disagree with you guys about the props. You can not find a fake gun at the dollar store, or at walmart, or at k-mart, or at target, or at kb toys, or at toysRus. The simple fact is that many stores dont sell realistic looking guns anymore. This is mainly becuase or our stupid societies belief that playing cops and robbers with plastic guns is going to be the down fall of our youth.
As far as the dialog goes. It was a shootem up movie. You can probably count on one hand the number of good shootem up movies that have great dialog and no cliches(sp).
Also, Matt like most film creators are very protective of thier work, and who could blame them? The amount of time, working around FREE actors schedules, Making a things work when they probably shouldnt, no money, and another life away from film, makes one very proud of what they have accomplished. To work through the hurdles that are already in front of someone who takes on the process of creating something from a thought, putting it on paper, asking non-perfessional people to portray the ideas, filming, editing and finally giving life to something that was once a simple idea. This is what makes a film maker protective of his or her work. Until you go through the process you can never really truely understand the hostility, when someone puts "Long and hard have I searched for the worst movie ever made". Plus come on. That is one of the most non-intelegent statements ever made, what you have never seen Bring it on, Bring it on 2, You got served. biggrin
Many times people type off the cuff instead of thinking before typeing. I have told Matt this not only in his own posting habbits but also in dealing with some people on this site. Creative critisism is what makes us all better not useless statements like tha above is not needed.
Well I am done ranting. This web site is a great place for NOVICE, and I do use that word in the right context. FXHome allows all of us to get together show what we have done and also show improvements, short comings, and a have a good time.
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I thought that this film was far worse than Bring It On, Bring It On 2, or You Got Served. Try not to base sentances like "long and hard have I searched..." on your own opinions and deem them unintelligent, sence I was the one who typed it. Not yourself.
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What he's saying is that you need to respect the people here and the movies they make. Even if you think a movie is crappy. So instead of constantly jabbing back and forth (which is not entirely your fault), you could say "I didn't like this movie because..." and list some ideas for improvement. Then be done.
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Allright. Read a few pages back.
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Impressive that we managed to kick start this thread back into a frenzied insult fest, but i wasnt really intending it to be that way. Unfortunately i "Always gotta win the argument, and wont stop until its won" (as The anoyying as hell doctor phil would say). So, sorry for the habitual use of insult on my part in this thread, sometimes i just cant help myself. However, my opinion hasnt differed whatsoever razz But i do look forward to your movies improving and becoming better with practice.
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Bryce

That is what I am talking about. I do understand that sometimes tough criticism may be the only way, if a person does not improve after being told how to improve. Masta oooba, you remind me of the freshman students I teach to everyday. The main idea is being lost from your eyes to your brain. Oh well, seeing how I cant use all the methods of learning on this forum, I guess you will just have to fall between the cracks.
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Lost from my eyes to my brain.

When I watch a film, my mind is not working passively. I am constantly making connections, how did they do this shot, what directors style does it remind me of, analyzing the directors style as a whole, how much did this or this cost, how wide is the lense on the camera, did they use a filter, what is the character or subject thinking, what is the character or subject feeling, why is this or this happening, what significance does this or this have, analyzing the cinematography, what lighting techniques are used, is it natural lighting or directed lighting, did they really destroy that tree, or is it synthetic, is it really raining, or centered rain, is it a set, how is the set design unique, what does this or that symbol, how is this or that significant to the story, how can this or that a metaphor, did the director intend for this or that to be allegorial.

Lost from my eyes to my brain.
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Shame. I watch for the content not the technicals. I leave that till afterwards.
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im totaly with u on that
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masta oooba wrote:

Lost from my eyes to my brain.

When I watch a film, my mind is not working passively. I am constantly making connections, how did they do this shot, what directors style does it remind me of, analyzing the directors style as a whole, how much did this or this cost, how wide is the lense on the camera, did they use a filter, what is the character or subject thinking, what is the character or subject feeling, why is this or this happening, what significance does this or this have, analyzing the cinematography, what lighting techniques are used, is it natural lighting or directed lighting, did they really destroy that tree, or is it synthetic, is it really raining, or centered rain, is it a set, how is the set design unique, what does this or that symbol, how is this or that significant to the story, how can this or that a metaphor, did the director intend for this or that to be allegorial.

Lost from my eyes to my brain.
Maybe you are lost from the other way around... Your brain is so full, your eyes can't see! wink
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i think im gonna hafta agree...
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Masta ooba takes these films on the site WAY WAY too seriously. They are not Huge blockbusting productions, and yet he analyzes them like he's an Academy Award judge. No wonder he's so sour bitter and rediculously ruthless, to a stupid unjustified degree.


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Well, i suppose since you said that, i'll analyze your movies like small non block-busting, low budget movie not neccerarily meant to entertain others.
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Bryce007 wrote:

Well, i suppose since you said that, i'll analyze your movies like small non block-busting, low budget movie not neccerarily meant to entertain others.
What?! Most people here are low-budget filmmakers, but still make movies to entertain. You can't look at a simple amateur film and critisize it because the acting was a little off or they didn't have the best possible locations. Just please let this rest, everyone!
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Aw come on loydd, thats not what i meant. I mean that i wont watch movies on here and expect them to entertain people such as myself. Apparently, alot of people make movies on here for there own enjoyment, so i wont instantly assume that it was meant for everyone else.
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Why watch a movie if you go into it with the attitude that it won't entertain you? Isn't that a waste of time?

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i didnt say i would go into it with an "Attitude" that i wont like it, i said i wont assume it was meant for anyone but the authors entertainment. Unless its made but people i know specifically intended it for the audience, like cobra productions and twisted. this way, i wont be as harsh and have thread beginning and ending with unneccesary insults
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This has aged quite well. Much like cheese, or a fine wine.
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And yet, three years later, some of us are still arguing the same thing in the Dumpet thread that's discussed just three posts back:

On FXHome, do you judge the technicals heavily or not? There are so many films here that aren't up to anything, yet people love them; and to many, it's obvious why: they're viral and fun. Take any of Klut's stuff as an example of this.

On the other hand, however, you have film purists (more so than other FXHome patrons, granted) who want to see enhanced technicals and solid filmmaking.

Funny, years later, I still agree with your stance on this matter, Bryce.
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MATT PUGH wrote:

Wow. And you acually had the nerve to tell me I don't put effort into my movie. You are now at the top of my list for stupid ass people. You have no right to say how much effort someone puts into their movies. Especially if they are passionate about the craft itself. So untill YOU COME UP WITH SOME WORK OF YOUR OWN FOR US TO SEE. You can suck my ass punk. (CSB please don't erase any of this. Bryce needs to read this stuff)
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn, if only he could see you now. Imminent, The Hit, and more to come.





I wish I had a b!tch to slap right now. Where's MATT PUGH when you need him?