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TFA vol.2 CLONE TEST

Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 3:18pm

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MATT PUGH

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This is the very rough cut of the first scene in my film THE FINAL ASSASIN VOL.2 I wanted to see if I could do cloning decently or not. The scene in the acual film will have many more clones and be much more complex than this short scenario. But tell me what you think. Of the Music choice. Film style, sound effects and ect.


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Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 4:04pm

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Nice short film! You definitely succeeded on the cloning. The props were good and the muzzle flashes and blood were added in very well.
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 7:21pm

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nice man. im ready to see this movie. when can we expect to see the finished version?
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 7:37pm

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nice matt, those air soft guns you used in that test, well i have them too lol...ok i will shut up. good job matt entertaining , makes me want to go do a cloneing test.
peaceout wink
Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2003, 4:42am

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Serpent wrote:

Nice short film! You definitely succeeded on the cloning. The props were good and the muzzle flashes and blood were added in very well.
Obviously, watched a different film than I did. The clones were good, ok I'll give you that although a clone test where the actor has on a mask doesn't make much sense. If he is going to where a mask why go to all the trouble of cloning. I did notice that the other guy was cloned briefly as well. As for the ALAM effects I thought the muzzle flashes were weak and fake looking and the bullet hits were even worse. As is almost always the case the blood hit(s) didn't look very convincing and if a gunshot causes blood to fly across the room there is likely to be some on his shirt as he lays on the floor. Not just this film that always bugs me and I see it alot.
Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2003, 6:57am

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Ya know seeing as how we all use ALAM DV I think that people are insulting the people who designed the muzzle flash plugins. Everytime I make a film I hear complaints that the muzzle flashes and the blood are too fake and weak. NEWS FLASH!! That's becuase they are fake! I don't have the money or even the care to go out and buy real guns with blanks or squibs to squirt blood. And even if I did, some of you guys would still say the blood and muzzle flashes are fake becuase you probably have never seen a real gun shot. Or blood from someone being shot. But I just needed to get that out. It's been stressing me out for a year now.


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PS. Thanx for the positive reviews guys!
Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2003, 9:04am

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FINALLY! Someone with a reasonable defense to unreasonable criticism.
Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2003, 3:09pm

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MATT PUGH wrote:

Ya know seeing as how we all use ALAM DV I think that people are insulting the people who designed the muzzle flash plugins. Everytime I make a film I hear complaints that the muzzle flashes and the blood are too fake and weak. NEWS FLASH!! That's becuase they are fake! I don't have the money or even the care to go out and buy real guns with blanks or squibs to squirt blood. And even if I did, some of you guys would still say the blood and muzzle flashes are fake becuase you probably have never seen a real gun shot. Or blood from someone being shot. But I just needed to get that out. It's been stressing me out for a year now.


PEACE OUT

PS. Thanx for the positive reviews guys!
Sorry, I hate to carry this on, but more often than not it isn't the plugins themselves that create good effects but the way you manipulate them and blend different effects together. For example anyone can throw what looks like a still of an explosion on the end of a gun and call it a muzzle flash. But adding lighting effects, smoke, illumination, lightbulbs etc can all make them look much more realistic. Thats why I do think it's fair to say to someone that their muzzle flashes look crap. Of course I have yet to download this movie and as such I havnt seen the muzzle flashes in question.

I'm just babbling now aren't I? Meh. Merry Christmas.

Cheers.
Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2003, 9:18pm

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No idea what that one dude shot himself in the head.
Other than that, worked decently as a clone test I guess.
Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2003, 9:42pm

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Yea, just some advice. When you have some1 shoot a gun, you should use a strobe light and have it flash whenever they shoot. (ofcourse have the light off screen) and just place the muzzle flash on when the light flashes. Look around and see if u can borrow one from any1. If not, small 1's are not expensive at all, $10 maybe. Also, I would just stay away from the blood hits. Those are pretty hard to make look real in a movie. I'd say your better off with out them. It will give it a more pro look w/o them.

Just tryin to help
-Chris
Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2003, 12:25am

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MATT PUGH

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Thanx for the tip CX3!


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Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2003, 2:01am

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As a test, that was great, as a film that was bad. Good job it was just a test.

Obviously it's just rough and not meant to be great, but you've got the workings of a fantastic film in there. Good to see you've got some decent prop guns this time round. I really enjoyed the first film and a bigger sequel would be very welcome. Still the same problems of costumes, locations and props, that I didn't like the first time round. Fairly good use of music though.

3 stars
Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2003, 8:02pm

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No prob matt
Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2003, 11:37pm

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Grr im jealous of you, what i would give for some airsoft pistols. Thats the one annoying thing about Australia, lack of convincing firearms. I have been reduced to buying replicas which are generally upwards of 250$. Still I did like this, when i read the title i was expecting it to be a little slipshod. You managed to impress me though. Im looking forward to your sequel.
Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2003, 11:45pm

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You can buy airsoft guns online at tons of sites for really cheap. Search the forums and you'll find some good stuff.
Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2003, 11:47pm

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Yes this is true, but it is illegal to import them into Australia. Some sites can take them apart and ship them seperately for you, but there is no guaruntee.
Posted: Wed, 31st Dec 2003, 7:07am

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Interesting concept. Works good if you only have a few actors. smile Music was good, and worked well with the action. Like CX3 said, the blood looked fake. Also, what was up with the clone that shot himself? Was he from a bad batch, or what? wink
Posted: Wed, 31st Dec 2003, 7:37am

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The pressure was too high for that clone so he decided to give up while he was ahead. That's why he shot himself.


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Posted: Wed, 31st Dec 2003, 2:31pm

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Great clone job. How did you do it?
Thanks
John

please send reply to jstewart@smkw.com
Posted: Wed, 31st Dec 2003, 3:01pm

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Sorry for being random, but where do you guys get such 'cool sounding' pistol sounds.

I've ripped thousands of them from games, but I can't find ones that sound as good as that...
Posted: Wed, 31st Dec 2003, 3:53pm

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http://www.jushhome.com/SoundBunker/default.asp
go thier thats where i got tons of great sound. like explosions and fight sound and guns. and thier great quality wink
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Posted: Wed, 31st Dec 2003, 4:56pm

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MATT PUGH

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I use all of mine from theforce.net/theater and look at post production under soundeffects download the gun SFX and bingo almost everything you'll ever need. As for explosions, SPIDER-MAN the PC game has hundreds of extrememly useful sound effects that can be combined together to create amazing effects. Hope this helps.


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Posted: Wed, 31st Dec 2003, 5:23pm

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That was pretty cool! I was wondering, when I have two clips layered, one of me in one spot, one of me in another, and I want to make both appear, what do I have to do? I have Adobe Premiere 7 and Photoshop Elements.
Posted: Wed, 31st Dec 2003, 6:03pm

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One way to do it in Premier is this -

Create a new title, and just draw a big blue square on the half of the screen where the 'first you' isn't. (assuming that one guy is on one half, the other guy on the other).

Put this title on top of a clip where the man isn't covered by the blue. Render this, and export it as an uncompressed AVI. You should now have your first clip, with half the screen covered by blue (where the man is in the second clip).

Then, start a new project, and import that file you just exported. Place this on the timeline, on video track 2.

Then take the other clip, with the guy in the other place, and put it on video track 1. Then by going to video options>transparency>bluescreen on the first clip (on track 2) - bingo.

I hope that makes sense. It's probably not the 'proper' way to do it - but it works for me.

Hope this helps - any questions, just ask.

Cheers,
Arktic.

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Posted: Wed, 31st Dec 2003, 6:06pm

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Though i wouldnt try that Brettsta. That doesnt sound like much fun. U will have chromonator soon. That'll make it much easier.
Posted: Wed, 31st Dec 2003, 6:09pm

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Heh - it only takes a few seconds to do though, so untill Chromanator, it's the easiest way for me smile

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Wed, 31st Dec 2003, 6:20pm

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Wouln't It be quicker to crop the end that the person is not in?
Posted: Thu, 1st Jan 2004, 1:01pm

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Heh, yeah - a lot easier.

Silly me wink

Cheers,
Arktic
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jan 2004, 2:13am

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did you do animated garbage mattes around all the guys when they were in the scenes together?
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jan 2004, 6:13am

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Sorry, I don't even know what garbage mattes are. So the answer is no. I just masked out what I didn't want you guys to see around the actor.

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Posted: Sat, 10th Jan 2004, 11:37am

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Hey - you commented on my clip, so I thought I'd return the favour.

I liked this quite a bit - there were a few errors, but the main thrust of the clip was cool.

Bad points - I didn't get why the cloned guys were wearing masks. Surely this defeats the point of doing a clone test at all?

Also, when the guy shot himself in the head, there's nothing to explain to the viewer why he's done it. A line of dialogue would have made that a lot clearer.

Good points - The effects seemed quite solid, and there was a sense of storyline going on there (though obviously I'd like to see more of that in the full version) - but that's permissable as it's only a test.

All in all, a solid 3 from me - keep up the good work mate smile

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Sun, 11th Jan 2004, 6:55am

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gracias for the comments Arktic. And wearing masks doesn't defeat the purpose of cloning someone. I got more than one of the same person on screen at one time. That's all I wanted to achieve. As for the suicide. The actor was just goofing around and I decided to keep in and use it for the thing that wakes me from my slumber. Just a goofy little thing to do that's all.

PEACE OUT

P.S.
This was a test. No dialouge wanted or needed.
Posted: Sun, 11th Jan 2004, 12:08pm

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Heh - no problem mate. As I say, I rather enjoyed it, and I look froward to seeing some more of your stuff.

Cheers.
Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2004, 11:19pm

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yea I LIEKD it alot, great cloning job to
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Posted: Sat, 24th Jan 2004, 11:34am

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Nice test! good work!