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Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 7:09pm

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The Christmas holiday wasn't a good one here at FXhome. Having just overcome a problem with Chromanator's video support, we were then hit by further turmoil shortly after most of the team left to fulfill family commitments over Christmas. Being a small company of just four core people, this reduced CSB's manpower significantly.

This would not have been a problem, except for the unexpected news from our accountant that our accounts details were needed immediately, rather than by early January as we had previously been led to believe. The accounts unfortunately had to take priority and Schwar found himself sorting a year's worth of accounts, which had not been factored into the original release date equation.

Had we been informed earlier about the urgency of the accounts data, there would have been at least two more sets of hands to help in the data collating - instead Schwar had to battle valiantly by himself through most of Christmas Eve and Day, sorting the information so that he could get back to coding Chromanator by Boxing day.

Since Boxing day things have progressed far better and we have caught up a little to the original schedule. Unfortunately we are still not where we would like to be, even now that the whole team is back in action, but by the end of the week we should be back on track for the release. In the meantime we will continue to release screenshots and further info about Chromanator so that you are as up-to-date with the progress as possible. After the release, the following weeks will be spent ironing out any identified issues and tweaking the program to get the very best performance for you all.

To thank and respect all those who have already supported us by pre-ordering Chromanator, the special pre-order discount and extra Force allowance are no longer available in the FXhome store. We'd like to thank all of the pre-order customers again and assure you that this delay will be small - we just need a few more days to finish Chromanator to the level you rightly expect.

We are really, truly sorry for this delay and will do our absolute best to get everything back on schedule by the end of the week. Again, many apologies and please feel free to ask us any questions.
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 7:21pm

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Hm, that sounds like real bad luck with the timing. sad

Being in the chat most of the time, I saw how hard you all worked the last couple of days to get the app released in time. I'd say a couple of days wait isn't a major problem.


I for my part can wait, as I know you will release quality. And I know you guys will work even harder to make the delay as short as possible.
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 7:24pm

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man i thought that chromator was comming out tommarow. confused this is a damper to me, i was so excited to get my chirstmas present from CSB digital, but i can hold on a little longer, after all the things that CSB has done for me, i will wait.
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ps: please get the new plugins and movies up though, its been awhile.
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 7:25pm

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solthar you should work for CSB digital, and help them out,that would be cool biggrin
peace out
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 7:26pm

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I think Tarn has updated everything else and we're working virtually 24/7 to get past the delay. I wish I could have just dumped the accounts stuff but I wasn't given that option.

Better get back to it, come and see us in chat if we can be any help.
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 7:29pm

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Unfortunate how these things happen, but they so often do. I can attest to the guys working their collective asses off though, before and during the Xmas period to get everything out asap.

At least we can be sure the final product, when it arrives, will be what we've all been waiting for.

Good luck to the CSB guys smile

PJ
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 7:31pm

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I know now is not a good time to ask, but any news on paying via pay pal.?
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 7:33pm

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solthar you should work for CSB digital, and help them out
I wouldn't be of much use to them, trust me.

CSB do a terriffic job and they all work like maniacs, I've seen it. I can't hold up with them. smile
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 7:33pm

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We are looking in to the paypal situation smile
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 7:44pm

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Total bummer, still its not like a delay in release dates is exactly something new to the software industry....although i will bet my arse, here and now, that some self-righteous prole will make out like this is the first release date a company has ever overshot, ever.

Still, finances are what keep companies float, so they are far more important that your megre software (Thats aimed at you whiney proles) and its far more important to get it sorted, THEN get the software sorted so that the company is actually about to sell *anything* (thats aimed at you sensible people).

LONG LIVE CSB, and may they long uphold the correct order to do things in.
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 7:45pm

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Thanks everyone for your support.
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 7:55pm

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i would guess that a short delay is going to be better than the programs never coming out, luck that someone was able to work over christmas to get the job done.
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 8:03pm

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sorry everyone for being stupid
please tell me if i am mistaken on the plugins not being updated
peace out frown

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Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 8:19pm

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I appreciate the honesty and integrity of CSB Digital.

Thanks for keeping us informed.

Be careful about working too hard, you don't want to neglect your
health!


Take care (really!) smile
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 8:24pm

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Thanks for the honest info, you guys will never be politicians wink
All the best...
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 9:31pm

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Honest....? well they didn't have much choice did they?

Lets be frank this release was a bit of a cock up..... I seem to remember chromanator being "right around the corner" three moths ago.

But by the looks of things CSB has learnt there lesson and now knows how to handle these situations.

So im looking forward to smooth and relatively on time releases of Alam DV3 and DigiGrade (mainly DigiGrade;).

So by the looks of things, things can only go up from here on.....

BRING ON 2004!!!!

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Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 9:37pm

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I've went back in time and saw in June that Chromanator was coming around then lol
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 9:47pm

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... wow...

That was really unfortunate for you guys. I really feel sorry for you. I don't really care when the software is realesed (well, the sooner the better I guess), but I just want it to be the best of your work so far; and I believe it will be.

I really wish you luck to get it realesed as soon as you want it to be.
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 10:48pm

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why are people rating me low when i am just asking a simple question, on if they updated all the plugins, because i submited 2 plugins and they are not on. i am not mad at CSB digital for not updating, i was just asking, people you need to not rate people down for asking a question.
so sorry if i offended any one sad
sorry
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 10:50pm

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The movies are up already. Malone is working his way through the plugins, but there's a bit of a backlog, and we still have lots of other things to be doing. So hang in there, they'll be up soon. smile
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 10:54pm

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thank you tarn, it just seems if i EVER ask a simple quetion on fxhome, people rate me down. so now i am afraid of posting. sad
peace out CSB keep up the good work

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Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 10:57pm

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Heh, you keep writing CBS and Tarn keeps changing it to CSB biggrin

CBS is a totally different company smile
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 10:59pm

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Good. I mean, I don't think I'm ready. Deep breathing and all, I've tried to prepare, but only one day?! I'd faint! I need more time too.


A Quality product is well worth the price you have set, a few days is easily understood and forgiven.

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Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2003, 12:04am

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Thank you for really telling us all how it is. We all have our setbacks. Mostly, they end up being things we have no control over, such as this instance. Many of us have to bust our butt and work long hours, before we can relax and you guys have gone far beyond that. We really appreciate all the extra work you have done through this holiday season and we egearly await the final release of Chromanator. biggrin Finally, I wish all of you at CSB-Digital a great and prosperous New Year! You guys are awsome and this year will be huge!!!

Peace Out,

John cool
Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2003, 2:05am

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As, I am well aware, from running my own company accountancy can be a major pain in the ass, cos even if you are well aware of what you are doing and what money went in and out to who it still isn't what the accountants need.

I know CSB have missed a couple of their own deadlines. The first one by a long long way, but rest assured that they are now truely close to finishing. Schwar hasn't done a runner to Mexico as some of us predicted smile but he has in fact been working hard on getting a product out to you guys.

What I do have to say to be fair and I hope no one edits this is that CSB have come up with deadlines several times in the past and not met them. This is a real problem because everyone wants the products as soon as possible and doesn't like to be kept waiting. However, I know Schwar and the rest of the team have been working really hard and are now close to finishing all 3 of the new products and we will be really happy to see them out. The stress of meeting deadlines can actually be a problem in itself, slowing down progress and I think this has been a factor recently.

CSB has in the past been eager to set release dates which have jumped the gun but this one really was close to being met and the mistiming with red tape was unfortunate and has pushed them back a couple of days. However this time it isn't just an excuse and it really will be out soon. I hope everyone is eager and has their blue/greenscreens at the ready. I know I do and I will be racing you to get my movie out in the cinema.

More importantly than this, I was out in a club tonight, and some chick I was trying to get it on with and her mate ripped me off by £20! I don't care about the money really, just by being friendly to me she would have made more, but how out of order is that!?! I could understand her taking me for a chump and taking the money to buy herself or friends a drink but to out and out lie and pretend I gave her only £10 is despicable. She drinks in the bar I work at and trust me she will pay several times over. twisted
Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2003, 4:03am

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That is so irresponsible of you guys. You guys keep setting deadlines and breaking them. That is no way for a REAL company to operate.

Just think if Adobe had made a release date and had alot of people pre-order it, then tell them that they don't know when they will get the product?

I know you aren't adobe but if you ever plan to be as big as them then you need to get your act together.
Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2003, 4:42am

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Adobe overrun their deadlines just like any other company. I could tell you several ways in which CSB are making better use of your cash on the project but I can't because I signed confidentiallity papers with Adobe and Schwar won't let me beta if I spill the beans on the CSB side. razz

Seriously though just look at any highly anticipated game, os or any other well publicised program. They either come out before people know about them or they overrun. This is because programming isn't something which has exact timing or percentage done, it is a bunch of problems and when you solve them it is ready. Its very hard to say exactly when that will be. However the closer you come the more accuratly you can predict and now we know its gonna be very soon.
Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2003, 5:52am

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Ok thats fine.... Im ok....I mean its only like 3 days right.....ohh man this is all my folt....

Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2003, 7:56am

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I partially agree with WiRyPoCkEtLiNt....but on the other hand I can understand what a pain it is to meet deadlines...and all companies push back deadlines too.

My advicec to CSB - for other releases you have in the future - set a deadline that is WAY past (not TOO far tho haha) the date you think it'll be done - that way when its done, you have all that time to 1) make minor adjustments for perfections
and 2) release it early and surprise everyone!!!!

looking forward to trying out chromanator

-MAGIC
Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2003, 10:19am

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To All the guys at CSB Digital,

I work for a multi million pound international company and WE miss deadlines constantly! And it usually ends up costing us millions of pounds.

I say, don't worry about it. The products you create and supply, at the prices you supply them, are amazing and your loyal customers will understand and be willing to wait. We would much prefer you take the time you need to get it right, rather than rushing and releasing a dodgy package.

See you in the Chat Rooms,
NoClue


To All of you who are moaning,

GET A GRIP twisted . These guys are producing high quality, extremely powerful products, for the price of a meal for two in an average restaurant for gods sake. I'd like to see some of you try it. If what these guys are doing isn't good enough for you, why are you here? Sod off and go buy Adobe products at 10 times the cost. Oh, and by the way, they'll be a lot more difficult to use as well.

Personally, I would rather wait another couple of weeks/months and give CSB the time they need to produce a really good finished product than see them rush it out for you whining sods and have a product that crashes or has to be constantly patched.

Paitence is apparently a virtue. Try having some. hugegrin

rcamuk
Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2003, 10:21am

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It is major dissapointing not to get our hands on it - and ok, it will be a few days late but it's not like it won't be great when it is finally released.

I admire them for doing everything they have done over the last couple of years - I could not even begin to imagine what it takes to program something like chrominator - all I know is that when there are only a handful of staff it WILL take time. If there were more people involved it MIGHT happen faster but that's not always a guarantee...

We all love to think we can get things done sooner than is possible, and yeah, there are delays - these people are only human. They can't work 24/7 as much as they would like to. Do you think they LIKE to miss deadlines?
Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2003, 12:06pm

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It is irresponsible to an extent: customers put their faith in a company to release stuff on time; but on this particular occasion i doubt any major retailers are going to be phoning up their stockists saying "DAMN THAT CSB, now my Shelves are EMPTY!". I also doubt any of you lot are going "NOOOOOO, my masterpiece wont make it to Cannes" with any seriousness.

So given that the only people this product is going to, is online individuals, csb have luckily avoided all of that.

Secondly, for someone to assume "real" companies (whatever that means) are always totally on deadline etc is just naive and deeply stupid. Wake up.

And thirdly, you think that csb LIKE being delayed? you think they actually believe turning out products late is a *good* thing?

if you ever plan to be as big as [adobe] then you need to get your act together
LOL, talk about stating the obvious. Tell them something they don't know.
Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2003, 12:25pm

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Thanks for sticking up for us but I don't think its fair to have a go at anyone who is angry that the Chromanator is gonna be late - its a fair comment. Although software companies are late all the time this is not a valid excuse and we know we have to try harder with our estimates as our deadline record is hardly the greatest.

We are a small company and we find it hard to balance giving out release dates (which everyone is always asking for) and predicting how things will go over the following weeks. We will do our best.
Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2003, 12:28pm

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Integrity, CSB has.smile
Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2003, 12:35pm

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Anyone who is angry must be VERY selfish.

Schwar had to battle valiantly by himself through most of Christmas Eve and Day, sorting the information so that he could get back to coding Chromanator by Boxing day.
Enough said...
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Just wondering, will Chromanator be released in a couple of days, or maybe in a couple of weeks?

Red Hawk
Posted: Mon, 29th Dec 2003, 2:07pm

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We hope we will be back on track for the Release Candidate at the end of the week.
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This is kinda off-topic, but the extreme delay of AlamDV3 is more impacting to me that that of Chromanator.

So what is the release day of AlamDV3? What about Plugins? At least put an estimated date on the portion of the website where related.

Plug away though guys, I do thoroughly enjoy your products. I'll concur with another poster, I'd much rather see quality over meeting a date (within reason).
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I have to wonder why I am getting a -3 for just being upset? I love all you guys and I love the products you put out. I mean come on where can you find a community like his? The CSB crew has allways been so nice to everyone. I love how the makers of the software will actually answer your questions. You have always been so nice (thats why you don't have anyone else upset about this little mishap) You guys are more like friends.

My dad is alot more upset then I am. First of all he doesn't really trust online buying. It was a big step of faith for him to let me buy alamdv(anyone who has been around for awhile knows about that wink ). Now because we don't even know for sure when we r going to get chromanator his faith in this company shoot. Now because of these unforeseen complications my Dad isn't going to let me buy any more CSB products.

I realy like all you guys and I have never had any harsh words toword anyone on this forum (those were my first -1s), but because of CSB's irresponsibility it has cost them my business.
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I have removed your - ratings, and as I said before you have every right to tell us how you feel.

I must say I think it would have been more irresponsible to release something that wasn't ready to be used by you guys and that would have compromised the company and the future of Chromanator.

We have already said that we are aiming to be back on track by the end of the week but given the situation we found ourselves in I think what we did was the only option.

Shopping on our online shop is very secure, much more than handing over your credit card in a shop (where they can just swipe your details with special devices) or handing it over in a restaurant (where they can just copy them down). If you or your dad have any questions then feel free to contact me directly at joshua.davies@csb-digital.com

Again sorry for the delay.
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Ok, I'll admit I'm not bothered by the delay because I don't even intend to buy Chomanator, but delays happen all the time. Newtek still havent released LW 8, and they have only 2 days to ship that on time.

I have only bought AlamDV 2 from you guys, and it rocks. I'm using on a film (once I get my footage :p). I actually have the Adobe big guns (AE etc) but I'm using this just because it does what it says on the tin.

Your stuff might be later coming out than everyone hoped, but from what I have seen it seems to be worth waiting for.

You would get a whole lot more complaints and moans if you released a sub-standard product. Take your time!

(Then again, it doesn't bother me, like I said I'm not buying this one...:p)

Roll on AlamDV3. biggrin

Pete
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Sorry just to clarify:

schwar wrote:

We hope we will be back on track for the Release Candidate at the end of the week.
Does this mean that you guys will be back on track in your project plan timeline about the "real" Chromanator release, or does this mean a "real" runnable RC of Chromnator will be available for us end-users (that pre-ordered) to download and start using?

PS. A manual or online help on how to use Chromantor sure would make the exta wait a little less wink But would settle for somemore screenies that you talked about.


Thanks and keep up the good work,
Coop
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The Release Candidate will be a full version of Chromanator but, as it will be the first public release, it may have a few issues that need sorting out and a few features which will be expanded. The issues could be minor bugs, or they could just be some cool tweaks or suggestions that you guys come up with. As for features there will probably be more filter tools in the final version as we can add these as and when we make them.

I expect we'll be fiddling and tweaking all of the new programs after they are released. This doesn't mean that the first version that is released is 'unfinished' at all - far from it. However, it is inevitable that new ideas will be thought of over time, some of which we'll want to implement. It's all about streamlining the program and making it as good as possible.

We'll get some fun stuff for you all to look at up on the site ASAP. Keep your eyes peeled. smile
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Ok no prob. I can wait awhile longer biggrin

Man we have alot of whinning people on this forum.

So they missed the deadline a bit.

Believe me it will be worth the wait! biggrin
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Ive waited this long so what's one more week. Some people are so impatient.
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Well, as you may or may-not have noticed, I've always been open and honest about my wait-and-see attitude towards this program. The only CSB-Product I "own" is my free copy of AlamDV1 (released just before AlamDV2).

That said.... my personal feeling is that this delay should in no way diminish anyone's opinion of the product or company. Release delays are a simple fact of software development (and just about any industry for that matter.)

For those who have not worked in the software industry, let me aquaint you with the two, unavoidable rules of the trade:

RULE #1: Development will take longer than you expect.
RULE #2: Development will take longer than you expect, even when you take Rule #1 into account.

These "rules" affect companies large and small.
CSB, Adobe, Apple and Microsoft are no exceptions.

I, for one, am impressed that CSB has choosen to take the time to do all they can to release the best possible product rather than flush it out the door to meet some deadline set prior to present circumstances with the attitude of "well, it's gonna have problems no matter what so let's just get it out there."

Those that have already made their payment still get the full value promised. Namely a discounted price, 500 force points and a name in the credits (something I've NEVER heard of from any other software company before). No company can garuntee that all will go 100% as planned when taking early payments. It's just life.

Best of luck to you guys as you wrapup your product for release.
In the meantime, try to still....
Have fun.
Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2003, 5:52am

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What I do have to say to be fair and I hope no one edits this is that CSB have come up with deadlines several times in the past and not met them. This is a real problem because everyone wants the products as soon as possible and doesn't like to be kept waiting. However, I know Schwar and the rest of the team have been working really hard and are now close to finishing all 3 of the new products and we will be really happy to see them out. The stress of meeting deadlines can actually be a problem in itself, slowing down progress and I think this has been a factor recently.

CSB has in the past been eager to set release dates which have jumped the gun but this one really was close to being met and the mistiming with red tape was unfortunate and has pushed them back a couple of days. However this time it isn't just an excuse and it really will be out soon.
Couldn't agree more.
Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2003, 3:12pm

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I'm going to go with the more forgiving side. While I don't know if I really need a chromakey program, I will certainly be buying Alamdv3. Alamdv2 has been on my computer for a fairly long time and I have lots of faith in the CSB team. To that end I will just say good luck, and I hope you can get it out as soon as you want it to be out. Sure if Alamdv3 is delayed, it will be dissapointing, but the final product will be much more than worth it. I'm sure this will be the case with Chromanator.
no pain no gain, as they say.
Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2003, 3:19pm

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Hmm, I'm just wondering, if Chronomator is delayed, why those who bought it/will buy it in this period of time won't get discount etc? Well, I bought it even though, but just being curious. wink
(to be honest, I've tried from about saturday, but fxhome.com was down, and menaged only yesterday neutral )
Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2003, 4:07pm

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What I do have to say to be fair and I hope no one edits this is that CSB have come up with deadlines several times in the past and not met them. This is a real problem because everyone wants the products as soon as possible and doesn't like to be kept waiting. However, I know Schwar and the rest of the team have been working really hard and are now close to finishing all 3 of the new products and we will be really happy to see them out. The stress of meeting deadlines can actually be a problem in itself, slowing down progress and I think this has been a factor recently.
Agreed. CSB could set the deadline a week ahead of the first deadline.
But they want us to have the product as soon as possible, and don't want the finished product to be sitting there for a week.

But somepeople, get it into ur heads that it's not apocalyptic that it has been delayed.
Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2003, 5:34pm

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I don't have a problem with it being delayed. I think it was a sign of a good relationship with those who preordered, like myself, and the people who have bought their programs by posting a notice , and sending me an e-mail, about the problems they had instead of not saying anything about it and just let the deadine come and go without a peep. (Like some companys I know of that charge much more than CSB does). I for one look forward to the next version of Alam and will be more than happy to preorder that when the time comes. This delay in Chromanator is no more of a bother to me that a package from UPS that got delayed. It's just life guys. Don't sweat it.
Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2003, 5:50pm

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fertesz

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Yeah, post a notice. The problem is, that I was out on vacation, and my father did the transaction, so I had limited possibilities. sad
Still, my question is just from being curious.
Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2003, 6:32pm

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I, for one, have been looking forward to the release of Chromanator ever since I decided to get serious about blue and green screen special effects. As much as I'd like to have it right now, I can't help but sympathize and agree that more time usually equates to a better product. My only concern now is that the CSB team does not get in a hurry to release it before it's ready just because of the delay. By all means, take your time and produce the product worthy of your efforts.
Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2003, 6:35pm

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TAP2 wrote:

But somepeople, get it into ur heads that it's not apocalyptic that it has been delayed.
Although it is worthy of a delay being apocolyptic...
Posted: Wed, 31st Dec 2003, 11:55pm

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In ten years of professional development, I've only seen a couple of projects go out "on time". The smaller the team, the more likely there will be problems.

Give the guys a break; programming is hard than it looks, and running a business is even harder.
Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2004, 9:42am

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fertesz

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What is here to talk about? The Chronomator isn't on time. Nevertheless, many people (including myself razz ) bought it. And I suppose many more will buy it, when it comes out. There's nothing to talk about. When they'll have product ready, they'll release it, it's good they wait till it's ready, isn't?
Only this thing with prorder troubles me, but as for now nobody answered me, maybe they're busy with Chronomator etc neutral Well, I can wait.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 7:28am

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Im goin to bed now cuz its last as hell... Im so hoping that when i wake up 2morro that chromanator will be out... *Says a prayer*
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 11:30am

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Yeah, I'm sure a lot of people are doing the same thing... but I think CSB would notify us a couple of days in advance, prior to releasing chromanator.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 11:13pm

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Despite the slowdown, I'm still REALLY eager to get my hands on AlamDV3 even if only the demo version...