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Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 10:33pm

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Sharp

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Hello.

Would it be possible for CSB take all the plugin’s that are currently available, and burn them to a CD. Then offer that CD to us Gold Users for …lets say…. £20 + P&P.

I know we can download them for free, but considering that broadband is not available everywhere, it would save people like me month’s of downloading, and a small fortune on Internet changes.

It’s just a thought, and I don’t thing people would be looking for fancy graphics on CD-Cases or anything like that. Just a CD-R in a Jiffy bag would be more than enough.

What do you think ?.
I guess CSB makes a few pound for taking the time, and they save everyone without broadband a small fortune a lot of time in downloading. Sounds like a good idea to me ?.

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Sharp.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 10:36pm

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Could make a few pounds, yes, but at the same time CSB have got to think of the piracy issues.

Currently AlamDV's copy protection is - effectively - the fact that people have to log into the website (using an account they got by buying the program) to download plugins....plugins being the be-all and end-all of AlamDV use.

If those plugins were put on CD, CSB's grip and control over the downloading of plugins, and hence the illegal use of AlamDV, is lost.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 10:40pm

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and you say all the plugins, you cant do that, they are being uploaded CONSTANTLY...guess you could have a yearly one, like with all the newest ones.

Andrew biggrin
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 10:52pm

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Hi Xcession.

Piracy wouldn’t be a problem.
In my post I asked that the CD only be made available to GOLD Users.

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Sharp.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 10:53pm

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Sharp: that doesn't prevent a gold user making the cd available on p2p, does it? no.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 10:57pm

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Hi Andrew.

Sure, I understand that they are uploading new ones constantly. But my original idea still sounds good. If I could buy everything that was available right now, that would save me months of downloading.

At least then people on dialup stand a fighting change of keeping up to date.


Regards.
Sharp.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 11:03pm

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u don't need all the effects anyway - what's the point in buying every single plugin, when u can download the odd few that you need, here and there, whenever you need to...

TMM twisted
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 11:04pm

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Hi Xcession.

Sharp: that doesn't prevent a gold user making the cd available on p2p, does it? no.
What’s stopping any broadband user from downloading the files and doing that right now ?.

Either way, I’m talking about offering the CD to people who can’t download large files.

Dial up users don’t even use p2p. It’s totally pointless.

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Sharp.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 11:12pm

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Hi TMM.

That’s a good point.
I don’t expect people to install every single plugin, that would be silly, but at least we wouldn’t have to deal with downloading what we like.

For example…. I was looking at 1 plugin tonight that I would love have. It was a 32MB download. That’s a good 4 hours downloading on Dial Up.

Part of my idea was to save me and anyone else in Dial up the cost of downloading for hours on end. So even if we don’t need all the plugin’s, at least we won’t have to download the ones we do need.

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Sharp.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 11:14pm

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My personal opinion is that CSB would have to be pretty damn crazy to do something like that, mainly because of what Xcession said.

I'm sure if you desperately want a plugin, you can leave it downloading while you go and watch tv or something biggrin
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 11:22pm

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Hi TAP2

I simply don’t see how Piracy on P2P could be more of a problem.

Anyone already with broadband can simply download the files and share them with whomever they like already.

So what difference would it make releasing them on CD to Gold Users.

You already have access to the files.
There’s certainly no worries of anyone on Dial up offering the files on P2P, that’s for sure.

Anyway, it’s all just an idea. Something to think about and chew on.

Have a great day everyone.
Bye.
Sharp.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 11:30pm

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Let me explain,

1) If AlamDV is cracked, and it probably has been on some sites, then it's not too serious as people can't gain access to plugins. Crack sites are probably more of a threat than P2P, as it's easy to download a crack but not the programme. This leaves the 'login for plugins' the last line of defense for anti-piracy.

2) You've got a point, it only takes one selfish user to share the plugins, but a CD just seems stupid. All of CSB products, don't involve the delivery of items - and starting up a Plugin CD would. There'd also be delivery limitations, such as only shipping into the UK - When the majority of CSB's customers are Americans.

I just think that a CD would only lead to trouble...
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 11:33pm

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The fact that plugins are technically already shareable, is not a reason for giving up trying to keep what control CSB *do* have.

You have a point about the fact that modem users don't have the sharing capabilities, but then people with broadband could also order the cd, as theres no way of authenticating who does or doesn't have a 56k.

The difference that releasing them on cd could make, is that the small amount of control that csb have, is further lost.

But anyway, i don't make the rules, i'm simply explaining what i think will be the reason for not doing what you suggest.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 11:41pm

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TAP2 wrote:

2) You've got a point, it only takes one selfish user to share the plugins...
Don't you mean an extra genorous? A selfish person would probably keep all the plugins for himself... right?
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 11:43pm

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i think he means selfish for the community and csb in general.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 11:46pm

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Its so easy to download the plugins from the site. Not to mention that it is pretty well protected. Magic codes were a great idea CSB! Piracy is inevitable. No doubt about that, but we don't want to increase the amount of it, especially when it comes to CSB products. CD's may sound like a good idea at first, but you can come to realize that it would lead to much unnescessary output.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 12:12am

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Hi Sharp. I've got the same problem as you, being on dial-up. The best solution I found is to get a download manager, they aren't too hard to find online, and then you can either download them a bit at a time when you have a chance, or set up a few plug-ins downloading before you go to bed. When you wake up in the morning, there they are.

Still not a CD, but it does eliminate a lot of the hassle of downloading a bunch of plug-ins.
Posted: Mon, 22nd Mar 2004, 4:03am

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I don't think the CD is a good idea, mostly for the reasons already discussed here.

If dling is so much of a problem to Dial Up users, I think plugins should be better compressed in that sense. I don't have AlamDV (purchased) yet so I wouldn't know much about how big the plugins are but I'm quite surprised that a plugin could be as large as 32MB. I'm sure there must be some way around this.

When you come to think about it, there really isn't much you can do about the disconveniences to dialup users. In about a couple of years, this won't be a problem as most people around the world will have switched to dial up.
Posted: Mon, 22nd Mar 2004, 5:56am

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The thing I liked about CSB and their products was that it can't be found anywhere else but the site. Even then you had to pay for it. Unlike Adobe Products and other company products out there, you don't see CSB products on shareware programs like Kazaa, WinMX, etc. Plus seeing how CSB isn't nearly as big as Adobe, it needs to keep its pirating down. One thing I also liked about ALAMDV was that the plug-ins didnt cost any money. And if you were to put all the plugins on a CD , you might aswell just make an installer CD for alamdv all together. Everything would be compressed, plug-ins included, but then it would be on kazaa in no time once someone EVIL gets their hands on it. then youll be seeing Magic Code generators too! That wouldnt be cool. Let's try to hype these products only to a certain extent and keep it to the real people wanting to make movies and not the people out there just to be assholes and post the products on shareware programs. biggrin