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Prodition- Final Release

Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 11:36am

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A hidden threat is carrying out assassinations of the Jedi. 3 younglings set out on a mission of justice, but their journey will take them into the heart of betrayal.

This film is a sequel to my first film, Power of the Sith. It heavily incorporates effects from AlamDV and is almost entirely done against blue/green screen. I used Lightwave for all of the 3D elements as well as After Effects and Premiere for editing and special effects/keying.

We spent 18 months working on the film pretty heavily, and we're all pretty happy with the final product. Hope you enjoy it as well...


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Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 11:39am

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Great stuff, really enjoyed that. I wasn't too sure at first - after all, we've all seen enough kids-with-lightsabers movies - but it soon became very entertaining, with the sheer amount of effort and work put into the project very clear.

Good comedy touches, too, could almost hear Ash speaking through the adult characters. razz Even the bloopers were genuinely funny for once!

Shows what can be done when you really put your mind to it.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 12:26pm

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Very impressive! As Tarn mentioned certainly lots of effort was put into this movie, and it shows. I'm certain you're going to get lots of questions about your use of green screening with the imminent release of Chromanator. Did you hire out a digital studio to do the filming or had you made the green screen yourself?? The 3D sets, again very well done, but when you composited them behind the live action had you thought to add a bit of blur to make the scene look a little more realistic? Anyway… top film, top marks, well done.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 1:07pm

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Looks like someone has hacked into CSB and stolen themselves a copy of Chromanator biggrin

Great stuff, very proffesional from start to finish.
Excellent balance and use of AlamDV effects too...
Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 1:20pm

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Thanks for the comments guys-

Hopefully I'll have enough bandwidth to continue sharing this file out. If anyone is interested in mirroring for me, let me know. I have a feeling I'm gonna kill all 50 gigs before the end of the month.

Tarn- yeah I knew that in terms of people liking the film I would be fighting an uphill battle right off the bat because...
1- It's a parody
2- It's Star Wars
3- It's Star Wars with Lightsaber battles
4- It's got kids in it
Still, I tried to make the film as entertaining as possible and hopefully it succeeds in one way or another to each viewer. It won't be for everyone, but if you've read the above list and aren't thoroughly disgusted, then you might have a good chance at enjoying the film. smile

timbuk2- The green screen studio is here at my work (I do computer support for a broadcasting company) so I was able to get in for free after pulling a few strings. Very nice studio too. I did all my keying in AE using the DV Matte Pro plug-in. VERY nice plugin.
About blurring for depth of field, I actually did do alot of that but apparently not enough. Eh... live and learn I guess.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 1:43pm

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Sometimes I get burned out by all of the Star Wars movies on here, but this was great. The kids were really cute.

One thing that struck me was the excellent lighting in the cockpits with the display panel colors on the actors faces. Very very nice.

Virtual sets were also great, and I know how much time that takes to get right.

Great job.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 2:36pm

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I really enjoyed that one! It was technically very well done! The editing was nice, the camerawork was good and the virtual sets were cool! Kudos for the amount of work that has been put into this. It is really amazing!

You created some really fantastic visuals there and showed some excellent 3D work (not all was in the same quality unfortunately).

I'm not much a fanfilm fan, but this one was really quite cool!


What I liked most was the makeup effects. I thought that looked really nice. smile
Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 2:39pm

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Technically, this was the most impressive piece of starwars fanfilm i have ever, ever seen.

It seems silly to point out what was so good about it, given that you know full well what they are, but i think its worth pointing out for those that aren't aware of why it work so well:

1. audio: the levels were just right. Not only did you do the simpler things like making the voice of someone over a comms channel sound distorted, but you dipped the volume of their voice to account for the distance the "mic" is away from the headset. You also had the engine noises suitably low, which as obvious as it may seem, was really nice. On top of all this, i think i noticed that you'd added reverb to suit the places in which the actors were supposed to be standing - another nice touch.

2. lighting: predominatly excellent, but see point 5.

3. AlamDV effects: subtle and accurate. Sabers not to glowy, explosions not the wrong ones (!) The only place i noticed something other than desirable, was the rocket trail to the sled-thing the kids jump on: it seemed slightly at the wrong angle.

4. 3D: utterly sweet. i know rather little about 3d apps, so i'll just keep quiet about this. vehicle motion was spot on, no jerking, nothing against the laws of physics.

5. Greenscreening: Although 95% of this was done well, i notice that some of the shots in the hangar (or whatever it was) had inaccurate lighting on the characters which made them look a bit washed out, which contrasted too much with the high colour 3d background. The cockpits and cockpits themselves were just sweet! how much money did you put into prop/set design?

6. Script: good and often amusing. There didn't seem to be much of that ugly "hint hint" stuff like there was in episode 1 - all those unecessary, ham-handed lines designed to introduce various things to the young audience ("mesir called jar jar binks, me sir your humble servant" ARGH. repeated use of "droidicars" about 14 times in one phrase; OK we got the point! they're new! now drop it ffs!). On the contrary even the technical lines were, on paper at least, matter-of-fact and uninsultingly unexplained razz However....

7. Acting: you knew i was gonna come to this. Whilst the adult acting was really very good, even the mock humour bits which are harder to pull off than you think, the child acting was bad. I'm not gonna go into this any further coz its just obvious, and frankly to have kids that young delivering those lines is a directorial masterpiece in itself! If i could offer a suggestion tho: get the kids to picture themselves actually doing it, practice the lines over and over again with their eyes closed, so that the distractions of the set don't put them off delivering them with the panache required for the situation.

8. Costumes: the only point i want to raise about this, was darth Zorn's mask...which was very good but unfortunately looks very much like those used in a UK comedy which take the p*ss out of celebrities ('Bo Selector'). As a result, i was laughing at zorn at all the wrong times, for all the wrong reasons! razz
Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 3:04pm

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It takes a very tall order for something with lightswords in to impress me, but you've managed to pull off a really great production, with awesome effects. The effort level from this is clear from start to finish - kudos to all involved as you must have worked extremely hard for the duration of production.

I really enjoyed that, downfalls include the ones already mentioned, I don't think I need to repeat them again.

Wow, a Star Wars parody I enjoyed.. maybe I'm ill.

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Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 3:08pm

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Sollthar- Regarding the 3D... I agree. I'm still pretty new to Lightwave and just know enough to be dangerous. Some of the fighter motion wasn't the best and I still need work in creating believable texturing and rendering. Still learning more each day.

xcession- good post- I'll try to answer some of your questions and comment a little bit...
Audio was handled by Scott Till, the guy who played Darth Zorn. It was his first time ever using Premiere and he did a great job with editing the sound effects. Alot of people forget that audio is really half the movie and don't do things like loop the dialog when the original raw footage has bad audio. The last 2/3rds of the film was looped because the ambient audio was crap. Alot of folks will just throw some music over that junk and crank up the bad audio to make it be heard. and let me tell you... getting a 5, 7, and 8 year old kid to loop his audio correctly is one of the most difficult things I did for this film.
The cockpit took me about 3 weeks to make and cost about 130 bucks. It was the most expensive part of the production, but I definitely wanted to use a practical set piece instead of a 3D one. It just looks better to me.
Regarding the acting- yeah, kid actors are really hard to get right. They're not going to be winning any awards, but man they sure had a good time. Alec really thought he was in a real Star Wars movie- pretty cool to see his face when we actually showed the film to about 70 friends and family at the premiere.

Well, glad you guys are enjoying the film for the most part.

er-no- Wow- That's about the best compliment I think I could get. It's good to know that you can get someone to enjoy your work, even if they start by going in with a certain disposition against that kind of stuff. Appreciate it.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 4:12pm

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Nice job man. That film was more than enjoyable. I was rolling when they started making fun of the darth lord. And the jedis look on his face after he was like "We put a tracker device on his ship aaand you brought him right here... phfaa.... " that was too funny. The comedy was great in this flick. 5/5 from me. Needs to be sequals of this series.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 4:33pm

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Hey Xcession, Thanks for the compliments on the audio work. It was a tedious process at times, but some of the best fun I've had editing. Our EFX library was limited so I had to build and layer several different sounds, at times, to come up with something that I thought was acceptable for the film. I also put a few fun sneaky sounds in as well. Listen closely as the Droid hovers over to Zorn next time and let me know what you hear. I think the fact that the movie was a parody of sorts also made it into the sound realm as well. Now as far as my role as Zorn in the film...Looking back, I thought that afterwards a long hair wig or dread lock wig might have made the face a little more believable (it looks pretty sharp with the hood on), but I think we achieved what we needed to. My only real qualm was, you just can't each chinese food with that thing on! Any ways, other than that I thoroughly enjoyed being a part of this project. Jeremy made it fun while keeping it professional the whole time. Plus all the cast and crew members really put a great effort into a really fun film! Enjoy and Happy New Year.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 5:59pm

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Well, much has already been taking care of!

I just thought it was great! the children actully did a good joob, so good directing! love the 3D, and most of all the cockpits! made it al so better!

I just love th way you animated thoose spaceships, it felt like it would be soo fun to go in them, and somehow it felt like children were driving them, also the way they "talked" to eachother! great!

Well, I can't complain on much! great work!
Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2004, 4:05am

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Great film but. . . .. . perfect five? There were errors with audio, lighting, and some of the backgrounds and I have seen better stories on alam dv. I think this is a very well produced film, but should not be ranked the highest film of all Alam-DV and should definately not be given a perfect score.

(It is not even the best star war's spoff on the site. . . .have we already forgotten Toy Wars?)
Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2004, 4:16am

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Toy Wars is a trailer, this is it for this movie. I felt the audio was great quality, what type of mic was used? Bluescreening was great. Effects too. It was a very well done film, and it shows that time and money were taken to work for this, unlike most "films" on this site. Great job guys. 5 from me. 3d was excellent.

Guest... Make a better movie then this, and come back as, not a guest. You do not realize how much effort is put into something like this. All of the backrounds (What were those done in?) and ships. Quality production!
Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2004, 4:39am

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Brettsta-
Audio was done with a cheap $14 lavalier mic. In all the scenes in the cockpit, we had a lav at the end of the headset mic. We tried using a shotgun mic for the rest of the shoots, but the audio came out really bad. We had to go back and loop all the audio from the last 2/3rds of the film, which was pretty difficult to get 3 little kids to do correctly. It really cleaned up the audio though. I just sat the kids in front of the computer and played back each scene while they listened in headphones. They spoke into the lav and we got a nice clean signal. Didn't take a lot of money, just alot of work- about a weeks worth just to do the looping.

All the 3d stuff was done in Lightwave, which I still consider myself a newbie at. I'm glad you liked it though. smile

and our Guest is right- the film isn't perfect. I never set out to make a perfect film (as if such a thing actually exists), but I did set out to make a fun film that other people might get a kick out of. Hopefully I did that- I don't sweat stuff like ratings and rankings- those things aren't really important to me. What is important is that I have fun doing this, and I had a blast. Just have fun- rankings are for college football teams. smile
Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2004, 6:50am

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Yup. Like the Buckeyes.. who should be the National Champs.. not LSU. But oh well, atleast OU didnt win... but thats a totally diff forum topic... excuse me.
Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2004, 8:21am

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Really well made, but I don't like kids in movies at all, so that hurt it a lot for me. But still, good job with it overall.
Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2004, 8:22pm

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This was pretty sweet. I found myself amazed at the special effects. The acting was kinda goofy, but it seemed like you all had fun doing this. You addressed my concern of the bad guy looking like the joker in the end credits, so that's awesome that you saw that too. The kids sounded a little slow with the dialogue, but throwing words like hilarious around when your 5 probably isn't an easy task. I actually got used to the kids as slow speakers after a while. I thought the bad guy and the adult jedi were the same people until I saw the end credits. I was about to say great job with the masking and choreography to make it seem like two people fighting, but in reality, there were two people fighting. The saber battle was a little blah, especially in comparison to Art of the Saber, but I'm glad you didn't dwell on it too long, knowing that it wouldn't be anything spectactular. The film was solid, I liked the beginning, and the end was cool. Keep up the good work. I suggest teaming up with a crew who can tell stories better, and you could make a really good film for a festival and maybe get noticed. What would be sweet is a film where you get the guys from Art of teh Saber and then throw them into some sweet backgrounds and special effects. I'm drooling thinking about it and I'm not even a Star Wars fan.. (don't kill me).
Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2004, 8:25pm

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PS:

Yea, the cockpits were money. The little thingy he was holding in his hand looked really good too. The effort is obvious here. Great job. It was funny as hell and I am still laughing at that last clip at the end where he's singing.
Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2004, 9:24pm

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I don't have much to mention that hasnt already.

I enjoyed it though. "Whatcha talkin about Willis?" was a nice little injoke. smile

But I noticed a small error you made in the starting titles. The imperial emperor isn't palpatine at the time of darth maul and the first two episodes, it's darth sideous. ;P

Definelty one of the best fanfilms to date.
Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2004, 10:38pm

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Wow. That was the most amazing film i have ever seen on FXHome. The 3d work was just perfect. The lighting, the models, all were top-notch. I cant beleive you made this on your own! The screen work was done excellently. I didnt notice a single flaw at all in the movie. The acting was good, even the little kids! Loved the outtakes reel, that was hilarious. Great, GREAT job. Keep making movies. And do you have a job anywhere for 3d work? Because if you dont, then you should definately get one!

5 stars!
Posted: Wed, 7th Jan 2004, 12:09am

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ajjax44- yeah, the saber battle wasn't all that impressive but it was the best that a couple of old, out of shape computer nerds could come up with. Besides, this really isn't a saber-centric movie. It really is more about the story than anything. AOTS is just amazing and there's no way I'd attempt to try and out-saber the Ho brothers.

Oh, and that cool looking scanner was actually part of a Transformer toy and I corner-pinned the Radar plugin from Alam on the device.

Hybrid-Halo- This film really isn't true to Star Wars Canon, so I took a wee bit of creative liberty with Palpatine. wink Different Strokes was one of my favorite shows as a kid, so I had to throw in a little Arnold Jackson.

Marek- Yep, just me sitting in my home office for a year and a half grinding away on the computer. Scott Till handled most of the sound effects but everything visually I did. I guess I don't trust anyone else to do things the way I envision them, or perhaps I'm a poor communicator when it comes to what I want- either way, I prefer working alone- it just takes longer. There were definitely some technical flaws in the film and most have been pointed out (although there are still several that haven't), but when you go over every frame of the film about a dozen times you catch alot of them. Some things (like poor lighting) I couldn't do much about once we got to post. Learned alot though.

And No, I don't do 3D work for a living- I'm a computer support geek for a large company. This is just what I do for fun. I've thought about looking into doing video graphics work for a living, but I'm afraid that would just suck all the fun out of it.
Posted: Wed, 7th Jan 2004, 5:17am

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You are one of the few people who "get" 3d CG, as well as compositing. Stuff like the object shodow cast on the jedi when that barrel (or whatever it was) flies by takes the movie up a notch. I have an idea of how you feel after a year and a half of work, but I'd like to see another film. Maybe something a little more simple, but just as polished. smile
Posted: Wed, 7th Jan 2004, 12:28pm

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Thanks Sidey- I did spend extra time on stuff like the barrel shadow. Glad someone picked that up. As much as I'd love to jump into another project, I've promised my wife to take at least a year off to reconnect with my family. Doing a film like this and trying to raise 4 little kids while keeping the wife happy burned me out pretty good. I still have some more ideas in my head for future projects, but they're going to have to be on the back burner for a while. The bad news is that they're more complex than Prodition. eek
Posted: Wed, 7th Jan 2004, 12:53pm

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That was fantastic!

I don't think there's much that I can say about this that hasn't allready been said - expect perhaps that I love it!

Great work man - keep it up smile

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Wed, 7th Jan 2004, 3:07pm

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I think that we all learned alot doing "Prodition". I like to say that the crew dove in deep into all this pc software applications and came up for air with a pretty darn good film. I think with what we have taken from this film will probably re-appear in a non Star Wars type movie in the future. Something all original and exciting, still keeping the story the main focus, but complimenting it with the visual and audio EFX.

Thanks for all the encouragement and honest reviews of our movie. It helps us to all be better film makers in the future. Plus there's so many inspirational features right here to keep us going and entertained. A true flow of creativity.

P.S. I still haven't read a post on a lil audio fun I had with the droid floating over to Zorn. If anyone catches that let me know... wink
Posted: Wed, 7th Jan 2004, 3:54pm

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Uncle Pain,

I heard someone from ILM say once that the last two Star Wars movies were the most expensive home movies George Lucas could afford. It seems that Dreamland Digital has continued this tradition to no end. I enjoyed the quirkiness and humor and even the kids looked like they were having fun. Jeremy’s subtle comedic timing is so natural and it was good to see Scott Till (although you couldn't really 'see' him) taking time out from his rock-star career to show us his light saber skills. I also understand that this was done with minimal equipment (Mr. Lucas please cal your office). I think it was a job well done.

Now - with all that talent, skill and obvious sense of humor it will be good to see the next offering. Hopefully this one will provide some return on their investment and involve more adults, a better script and originality. Maybe one day these guys can produce something that will replace reality TV.

Cheers,

DarthMaz
Posted: Wed, 7th Jan 2004, 4:39pm

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Thanks for the compliments DarthMaz! Maybe Jeremy will let me write a rocker track for the next film... razz I'm still trying to pursue the music too and Uncle Pain might be slapping it up on the bass or guitar...Yep another talent in his bag of tricks.
Posted: Wed, 7th Jan 2004, 4:50pm

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i think everything has been said that i wanna say, so i'll just repeat it biggrin
The 3D work i thought was fantastic. Some really nice visuals you had in there, the music went well with the scenes and it flowed very nicely it obvious a lot of effort went into making it and i applaude you for doing it as all the hard work has payed off, you have made a fantastic little film there well done.

Mark biggrin
Posted: Thu, 8th Jan 2004, 12:31am

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I gave this a five. Can't think why though biggrin

It's not as if this is some of the best bluescreening I've seen in here, nor that your sound/audio was right on the button. And I don't think it's because you can see how much hard work has gone into this by the quality of the film, acting, direction, sets and production.


I honestly can't think why I gave this a five. hugegrin


Nice effort. Maybe your next little sketch will be better ( biggrin )

hehehehehe
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wow, it'd seem this film is the highest-rated movie on fxhome.com at the moment.
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I felt the movie was very properly done. The lighting was nice and of course great 3d work. The short story was well put together and nicely told. This is all coming from someone who passionately hates star wars and anything related to star wars. I cannot stand it. The kids were cute, the fighting was okay (you guys should have thrown away those damn light sticks and boxed to a bloody victory) and of course noone cannot disregard the talent and time put in to making this short film. Good job. It's nice to see someone (with talent) utilizing their talent to create such an entertaining short. I look forward to seeing more.

And if i may ask, how did you acquire that awesome bluescreen?
Posted: Fri, 9th Jan 2004, 1:09pm

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ijohnson33-
Thanks for the kind words- I actually work at a television broadcasting company as a computer support tech. They had a huge green screen studio here and I was able to pull a few strings to get in. It was awesome- I don't know if you could really tell in the blooper reel section, but the floor area was 50 by 35 and the wall itself was at least 20 feet high. We were really lucky to get in there. The bluescreen stuff was actually just done in a small room. I bought a big roll of blue paper from a photography store that was 9 feet tall and 35 feet long for about 50 bucks and we put some of that on the floor for head to toe shots, but mainly just used it for closeups. We did all of the fighting in the green screen studio as it had alot more room to maneuver.
Posted: Fri, 9th Jan 2004, 3:12pm

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Hey ijohnson33, Do you know how goofy I would have looked with boxing gloves and that latex face? crazy LOL...jk. I think it would've been cool to see a few seconds of dropping the sabers for a little close combat with fists and kicks. I'm sure we'd have to hire stunt doubles that don't eat as many cheeseburgers as we do!

Good ideas though and great compliments on "Prodition"...Thanks smile
Posted: Fri, 9th Jan 2004, 4:57pm

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Yeah-stunt doubles would have definitely been necessary for anything more aggressive. I almost threw a hip doing that kung-fu kick to Darth Zorn. eek
Actually, some of the best fighting on this site was that film Adrenaline. What ever happened to that?
Posted: Fri, 9th Jan 2004, 7:23pm

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Great job on the video. It's so refreshing to see someone putting plot & morals together. The editing was good & the fx were good too. The acting was a bit stinky. I know how it feels having to use inexperienced actors though (protector of the universe). My cousin had some line trouble.
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Posted: Sat, 10th Jan 2004, 1:41am

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Ah...what a nice surprise. I was starting to get sick of all the "we did this in 10 minutes" videos. Well done. Now, here are my thoughts:

Sound was nicely balanced - Proper use of effects and sound design.

3D Graphics - Very nice when in space. But I think that the brightness or contrast was a little off when the greenscreen shots came in, e.g. look at the blackness of space behind the glass of the cockpit and look at the actor in front. The blacks were a bit messed in that instance.
More of a brightness/contrast issue that could be easily fixed. Shame, though.

Lighting - For once, someone actually gets this near perfect! Correct lighting to make things just work. But also added lights for effect, e.g. cockpit lighting.

Editing - Mostly great. But there were plenty of times when the pace could've been quickened. Did you use everything you shot in reference to dialogue shots? I just feel there could've been more cut away.

Alam effects - These were just right. Not too much and not holding back. Nice balance.

Props/Costumes - All nice additions. Nothing looked bad or cheap, thankfully.


I actually thought Zorn's mask was great, until he pulled the hood back and it just looked like an incomplete mask. After seeing the whole video, I can see that someone actually took the time and care that these things need. And eventually coming out with something that really can impress, but also ENTERTAIN.
But I have to agree that this film is not a 5-rating. It came near, but there are too many little things that pull it back. So a very good 4.

Take note, those who don't take time over their projects. This film is a good example of what happens when you take that extra time.

Adam.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jan 2004, 3:13pm

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nice, very nice!!
try fast forwarding it (he he he)
try getting the kids to speak a little more clearly
five stars
Posted: Sat, 10th Jan 2004, 3:26pm

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"try getting the kids to speak a little more clearly"

lol

That's what they sound like when they are speaking clearly. razz

Seriously, we would take about 10 takes of each line and after almost every take I would say "PRONUNCIATE!" and then they would get a little more clear. Eh- yeah, they sound like they have marbles in their mouths. What can you do? Speech therapy wasn't in the budget.
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great movie, just have a couple of questions. what camera did you film most of it w/? What type of mic did you use 2 get the crisp audio or other techniques? And finally, which 3d program did you use? Thanks
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All but one of your questions have been answered. Check the thread.

Ah what the heck... Lavalier mic and Lightwave for 3D.

Adam.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jan 2004, 7:02pm

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I loved it! 5
Posted: Sat, 10th Jan 2004, 7:21pm

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Alen- for the shots in the cockpit we used a Canon XL1S. For everything else we used a Canon GL1. The XL1S was VERY nice, but I could only get it for 1 shoot. None of the cameras were mine- I just had very generous friends and a few good connections.
Posted: Sun, 11th Jan 2004, 4:59am

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This is one of the most well-thought through films I've seen on the 'Net for a long time. Most are random snippets and cuts that really don't make much sense. Exellent, exellent, exellent. All that time definately paid off, and once again, it was exellent.

I did see some minor flaws that haven't been mentioned. For one, careful with color and contrast balance. When Alec is in the cockpit, there is a substancial amount of green in the picture. Most editing applications have color adjusting controls to remove green/blue/red from a clip, they take little time to render, and it takes minimal preperation. Consider this next time you prepare another masterpiece. Also, if your editing application has a white-balance corrector, you might want to use that instead. Contrast was also a little off-the-mark. Like adjusting color, I'm sure your editing application has a basic contrast adjuster, and I would advise to adjust the contrast until shadows (Particulary shadows emitted from the chin) show more vividly.

Also, remember to turn off all fans, air-conditioners, wind-tunnels, etc. when filming with a blue/green-screen. You can see, in quite a few shots, the background seeming to "ripple" due to the orginal rippling of the green-screen while filming.

As for the easter egg with the flying droid, it's driving me insane! tard I know I've heard it before, but I just can't point it out exactly. If I'm not mistaken, it begins at approx. 00:09:28;00.

Anyways, very good good, and good luck in the future!
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Excellent fan film

I was very impressed with the 3D visuals and music "composing".

but why did you have to use those kids!?

it was cute and all, but their one-liner's and talent detracted from the quality of the movie as a whole.

i realize it must have been tough working with such young actors, but it would have been so much better if they were older kids, say 11 or 12, or anyone with less of a dry presence on screen.

The bloopers at the end were quite funny! smile

Great production overall! I really enjoyed the film.

ILYKDP
Posted: Sun, 11th Jan 2004, 3:39pm

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I finally found out what the "easter egg" sound is! It's from the Jettson's!(one t or 2 t's?) Oh Yeah! I woke up at midnight last night at suddenly knew what it was!

Anyways, look at my last post to find out when the sound is.

Once again, great movie! biggrin
Posted: Sun, 11th Jan 2004, 6:02pm

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WE HAVE A WINNER! Unfortunately, we spent all our money on the film so all we can give you is some congratulations, and some helpful tips...

1. The Lord loves a working man.
2. Don't never, ever trust Whitey.
Posted: Mon, 12th Jan 2004, 1:47am

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when you say whitey, you do mean whitey herzog ex-manager of the st. louis cardinals, right?
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although you obviously have put a lot of time and effort into this, i felt all i was really watching was special effects.your greenscreen shots with your actors placed on the fx backgrounds are very well done, but i felt the occasional real location would have given the film some atmosphere or feeling. also the kids acting really began to irritate. an older cast would have helped alot in delivering lines and carrying the film. i understand this an effects film, and it is a very good one, but i felt this was effects with a film when needed instead of a film with effects when needed. you have an obvious talent for fx work and i look forward to your next showcase. hope i have been constructive in my criticisms.
Posted: Mon, 12th Jan 2004, 2:16pm

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Thanks for all the comments, both good and bad. Helps me to see my work through someone else's eyes and uncovers aspects of the film that I need to work on.

As I stated in my first post, I knew that some people would not like the fact that there are children in the film, but I make no apologies for that. I wasn't trying to make a perfect film with incredible actors and a flawless story, I was making a film with my own kids so they could have something cool to look back on as they grow up. I would have given my left kidney to have been in a Star Wars film when I was 7, and now they got to be in their very own Star Wars film which they think is pretty cool. They love it and that's what it's all about for me. Perhaps that's a little bit self-serving, but it's just my way of doing something really fun and memorable with my family. At the same time, I wanted to make the best film I could in regards to the effects of the film. Although not perfect, I can honestly say it was the best I could do at the time and I pretty much created the film almost exactly as I had envisioned it in my head.

I appreciate everyone checking out the film and hopefully you got some laughs out of it, and maybe even inspired someone to finish up their own creation. It's all about staying creative and staying committed to your project all the way to the end. There's nothing quite like being able to take an idea in your head and eventually being able to put it on a DVD or post it on the internet for others to view. Just finishing your project is a reward all by itself.

Thanks again for all the comments!
Jeremy
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First off to Chuter's comment..."although you obviously have put a lot of time and effort into this, i felt all i was really watching was special effects" - Tell that to George Lucas...LOL wink The fact is, for the most part, this IS an EFX film showing off the AlamDV and other software and editing software...and how cool things can be produced by time well spent with those awesome tools. I know not everyone digs kid actors, but our only other recourse for our budget was skipper the talking horse and pippy the jedi seal, so you can see we had to go with what we knew... razz Thanks for your honest comments and I'm glad you enjoyed the film for the most part. As far as real locations, hopefully they'll be in some future film attempts. smile

Now CONGRATS to SciDog on your sound recognition skills!!!! surprised You do get kudos for being the very first viewer to catch our little audio funny. I do hope that you didn't lose too much sleep over it though, after waking at midnight with your sudden revelation wink We owe you a Coke.
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i'm glad you've taken my comments in the right way. i didnt want to be another one of those guests with pointless attacks. darthzorn- in respect to your comment about demonstrating what is capable with fx programmes, you guys undoubtedly did a great job. thanks for your reply.
Posted: Mon, 12th Jan 2004, 8:16pm

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Hey Chuter...no problem. I do appreciate your honesty and comments. It's all good man. I'm glad we have a cool forum to discuss these pieces that we all do here...and it's even fun to throw a funny in here and there to keep it light. Seriously though your comments as well as the others here (Good and Bad) really do help those of us who are trying to continue to improve their skills in movie making. smile And just in case you're wondering, I was really pushing for the jedi seal...maybe next time...LOL razz
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Holy crap that was awesome. Though I still think art of the saber is the best movie on this site, this comes close to topping it. It was entertaining, and the kids we good too, unlike another kid from star wars who sucked *cough* Jake lloyd *end coughing*

By far, this is the most impressive movie I have seen on this site though. the special effects ruled. Lucasfilm should fire George Lucas and have you and the Ho brothers do episode III. can't wait for the next installment!
Posted: Tue, 13th Jan 2004, 3:06pm

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What an excellent film. Great pacing and story telling. Incredible use of EFX and sound. This has got to be one of the smoothest moving storys on this site! I also appreciate the fact that you can hear music, EFX, and dialog all mixed clearly. That's a tough quality to find on here. Good luck in your future endeavors...KEEP EM COMING!
Posted: Tue, 13th Jan 2004, 3:18pm

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Well this is my first time to fxhome.com and I landed on a great movie. Prodition is a really killer flick man! surprised Great star wars fan film. I just wish the film was longer. The kids were a little hard to get into at first but that all changed as they flew up to the hidden base. Wonderful use of 3D FX and the sound was awesome on my puter's sound system. The sound was clear, just like soulsurferx said. Very clear as compared to other videos I've seen before. It seems like you covered all the angles on this one...sound, editing, story, efx, and music. This was a great bit of fun. I hope the other films here are at least this good. Thanks for being the film that pulled me into this site. Heck I'm even inspired to do my own stuff now... smile 5 STARS ALL AROUND!!!
Posted: Tue, 13th Jan 2004, 3:30pm

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ilykdp wrote:

but why did you have to use those kids!?
I think because he was making it for himself and his kids, not for us. smile

I think it's fantastic - I'd have loved to have been involved with something like this when I was that young. Great stuff. Sure, they're not the world's greatest actors - but that's not really the point, is it?

The fact that unclepain and his team made something that not only satisfies their own aims but is also very entertaining to a lot of the rest of us is remarkable stuff.

Maybe he'll return with a sequel when the kids are older and impress us even more. smile
Posted: Tue, 13th Jan 2004, 3:36pm

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Perhaps he'll wait about 10 years until he does the next sequel, then have his kids romping around with attractive young maidens in fields, disappointingly curtailed by the rating of the film, and complaining about their controlling jedi masters etc....

razz
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Thanks for the kudos, and I hope that this will start a new tradition at FXHome.com! It was sooo exciting to find the easter egg, and I will always add easter eggs to my next productions.

KEEP THE TRADITION!!! SPREAD EASTER EGGS 'CROSS THE GLOBE! biggrin
Posted: Thu, 15th Jan 2004, 12:47am

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Very good job Jeremy! I think you did a fantastic job. FX, sound, it all looks good. Hey man ignore the comments about the kids, I know exactly why you did this film with your kids. They did a great job. Finally a movie posted on here that has a story, continuity, proper framing and a level of professionalism...not just a video with metal music and a load of muzzle flashes! Cudos to you man!

Peace
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Tasblades wrote:

Cudos to you man!
... Kudos wink
Posted: Thu, 15th Jan 2004, 1:50am

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Way to go guys! This flick was very very well rounded. I hope once my toddlers are a bit older I can do something similar for them. It looked like alot of fun.
Growing up we always had a video camera and were constantly doing skits and playing around with lightswords and laser guns. Too bad we didn't have ALAMDV2, a blue screen and a 'puter back then!


When I heard the Jetson's sound effect I cracked up. To bad I did not post earlier or I would have been the first neutral When I first heard it, I was reminded about "Twoness" they used that sound for the floating Sith droid. Really, really funny! hugegrin

The out takes were great. I laughed to tears during the free style lounge singing at the end. lol

P.S. Did your bitter half allow you to keep the cockpit set piece in the garage?
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Tasblades- I was wondering if you would show up in the thread smile
Oh, it doesn't bother me about people not liking the kids as actors. I knew from my experience with Power of the Sith that if I wanted alot of people on the internet to like the film, then a kid based film wasn't the way to do it. But as Tarn has pointed out, I really didn't make the film for them. I'm proud of what we've come up with in this film and any positive feedback we get is really frosting on the cake, ya know. Like I've told you in the past- when you put something out in the public eye, not everyone will love it and that's expected. When I first starting doing this, I would get really high off the praise and really down on the criticisms. I've gotten alot thicker skin since then and appreciate all the comments, but I don't base my satisfaction with the film based on the opinions of others. Sure, it feels great to have people like your work, but it's not the reason I do this. I do this to stay creative and to have something cool to share with my family. I'm truly surprised and honored to see how well it's been received here and it really humbles me. Bottom line though is that I love this hobby and very few things can bring the satisfaction that comes with taking an idea and turning it into a multimedia extravaganza for myself and others to enjoy. Pretty cool stuff this film making business. smile

averagejoe said "Did your bitter half allow you to keep the cockpit set piece in the garage?"

biggrin bitter half! You have no idea how accurate that statement is. My wife was pretty torqued with me for spending so much time on this over the last 18 months. She was very patient, but often said she felt like I was having an affair with my computer. smile But to answer your question... My cockpit set piece was left in the building where we setup the bluescreen studio at my work. I went back to pick it up after a couple weeks and found someone had thrown it out. D'oh! I was a little peeved at that one.

I don't remember much from Twoness, but the Jetson sound was actually Scott's idea. I loved the idea and I told him to just blend it in the background, but still make it loud enough for people to pick up on. I'll give you an honorary congratulations on picking it out. wink
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Hey first just to let you all know. On the Jetsons sound...I think Jeremy and I were in a bind to find a good hyperspace sound, and we found ourselves at a site with all kinds of sound efx. While searching we came across the Jetsons car...bam! I had and idea. I wanted to sneak it in there somewhere...not sure if the droid was my first choice...I think it might have been the rocket platform/sled or a ship, but it just seemed to slip in so well with the droid there...subtle but just enought that if a person was really listening they'd say, "hey what's that sound?", and maybe get a chuckle out of it. All in all it was just a little bonus to add "parody" to the SFX. I appreciate Jeremy allowing me to really be creative in sound editing.

So hat's off to SciDog who's now inspired to do some cool easter eggs, and also a Coke to Average Joe for catching it too!
Posted: Fri, 16th Jan 2004, 11:06pm

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Hmm, just wondering, when the droid lowers his guns/arms, the sound it makes, do you remember where you found it? If not, is there a way you coud send it to me? Cuz I've been looking my head off for that one razz
Posted: Sat, 17th Jan 2004, 2:23am

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That particular sound came off the Jedi Outcast Game CD. There's also a place called the Sound Bunker that has TONS of Star Wars stuff, including gear sounds.....

Check it out-
http://www.jushhome.com/SoundBunker/default.asp?page=SWDroids
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Ah, thanks!
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Just wanted to let you guys know that Prodition got picked up by theforce.net and they have a higher rez version of the film available for download if you're interested.

http://www.theforce.net/theater/shortfilms/prodition/index.shtml

Jeremy
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that movie was very well done. at first thought the kids were annoying but in the end, i thought it was something very unique. i dont think thats been done before actually. very impressive!
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That was brilliant. The kids didn't sound very enthusiastic but otherwise that was awesome! The blue-screening was ace. smile
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wow that was really cool, very well done biggrin
Posted: Tue, 27th Jan 2004, 4:20am

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A while back Scidog said this...
"Also, remember to turn off all fans, air-conditioners, wind-tunnels, etc. when filming with a blue/green-screen. You can see, in quite a few shots, the background seeming to "ripple" due to the orginal rippling of the green-screen while filming. "

I couldn't figure out what in the world he was talking about for the longest time because our blue and green screens were solid walls for the most part and we only used a fan during the rocket sled escape scene..... and then I watched the compressed film really closely and saw what he was talking about. In some sections of the film, the CG background appears to "shimmer" behind Darth Zorn while he's talking. It's a weird effect caused by the Sorenson compression that I never noticed before. I assure you it isn't in the master footage on my PC and the DVD of the film doesn't show it. It only shows on the web compressed versions.... weird. The strange thing is that even at a really high quality compression rate, the distortion still shows up. I guess I just chalk that one up to strangeness with Quicktime....
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What a big moving movie. All points for this brilliant production. I admired the hard work taken on directing the young boys. A real 3d dream movie, I will never conna reach this height. I have years of experience in this field but never before I seen a product this big. Keep it up and good luck. Keep the hard work, it deserves all points.
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You did a good job making this.
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Congratualations on making and keeping first place! I havnt actually watched it because it is too long for me to download (I usually stick to the ones about 5 minutes long) just something to keap in mind for us with slower connection in the future.
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Frozenpede-

Well, I really couldn't tell this story in 5 minutes. I did make a small compression that's about 25 megs, which is as small as I could get the 16 minute movie and still have the quality somewhat watchable. If that's still too large for you, then maybe you'll enjoy some of my other pieces available on my website. Most of them are 5 minutes or shorter and are available in smaller file sizes.
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cool Ill check it out!
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Outstanding, for those that have not seen this please watch it, I'll put this up there with Troops.
It was injoyable and enteraining, that's hard to find in a amatuer film that lasts 15mins.
directing 10/10
acting 9/10
costumes and make 10/10
sound and visual fx 10/10

can't say much more, loved it.
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Outstanding, for those that have not seen this please watch it, I'll put this up there with Troops.
It was injoyable and enteraining, that's hard to find in a amatuer film that lasts 15mins.
directing 10/10
acting 9/10
costumes and make 10/10
sound and visual fx 10/10

can't say much more, loved it.
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well this is the last day in the cinema and I never saw it waiver from first place once! for those of you who will stumble upon this movie later on you have found a one of a kind! watch it!
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Yep- last day on the charts... a sad day indeed. Thanks to everyone who commented on the film. I appreciate all constructive criticism and compliments. They really help us sharpen our skills and hopefully we can improve on our next offering. We have a few ideas for the future, but we're taking a break for a while to recover from the last year. Be sure to stay creative and we're looking forward to your next big projects!

Jeremy
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I definitely enjoyed the movie! Better than I could do! Anyway, what mic did you use?
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We just used a cheap lavalier microphone, but we used it to loop all the audio in post.
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Thanks for those cool comments Frozenpede. It's been a great ride. Thanks to all who saw and voted for us here. Your compliments and critiques were very valuable. We hope to have more for fxhome.com in the near future. Until then keep telling people about "Prodition" and Dreamland Digital. Good luck in all your entertaiment endeavors here. I'll be watching.
Posted: Fri, 6th Feb 2004, 2:19am

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by far the best film i've seen on here. excellent effects, awesome CG and solid editing make this one of my favorites. im not a big star wars fan, but i still enjoyed this movie ALOT. 5 stars.
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The FX and use of green screen in this film were amazing. Other than that, the writing was terrible, and the cast involved three children under the age of ten who were equally terrible, as well as two men who were, yes, terrible (acting does have a lot to do with writing of course).

Computer Generated Imaging does not make up for poor plot and dialouge. But, you did obviously spend a lot of time on this film, and did well. Good job.

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Yeah I agree with Ooba for the most part, I dont like some of the cheesey lines so much, such as "your gonna feel that one in the morning". The acting was not that great, but I guess you can't expect that great of acting from young children. Maybe put the woman who played as the "Sith Witch" in your next film, she was a decent actress. The effects are good, ill give you that wink
Posted: Thu, 12th Feb 2004, 9:03pm

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anonymous

i was to lazy to log on...anyways the most interesting thing bout ur movie was that you built the cockpit for the ship and then bluescreened it. i had been wondering when watching it how the tilting of the ships seemed so fluent. but that one kids acting...o man that was no gd. that really dropped the movie down for me. maybe give them a little more training and take more takes of it next time. especially with kids. and there might have been a little too much talking going on with the kids while in the ships etc
gd job though, really entertaining
Posted: Thu, 12th Feb 2004, 10:34pm

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sorry, i think this film is absurdly over rated, it was good, but not great
the effects of the sabers were flawless, and the space effects were excellent.

but the main question that comes to rise:

what is the deal with those kids!!!? they talk at like 1 mph, and it just makes for awful dialogue, kinda like the real star wars i suppose.
i suppose i aint bothered about the story, but it should not be top movie on the website.
art of the saber is soooooo much better than this trashy filth. sleep crazy twisted unsure mad cool :&rt;
Posted: Thu, 12th Feb 2004, 10:36pm

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Solid Snake wrote:

sorry, i think this film is absurdly over rated, it was good, but not great
the effects of the sabers were flawless, and the space effects were excellent.

but the main question that comes to rise:

what is the deal with those kids!!!? they talk at like 1 mph, and it just makes for awful dialogue, kinda like the real star wars i suppose.
i suppose i aint bothered about the story, but it should not be top movie on the website.
art of the saber is soooooo much better than this trashy filth. sleep crazy twisted unsure mad cool :&rt;
Chill! The kids are only like 5 -7. Try having 5-7 yuear olds act. Aint that easy, is it? It was a cool thing for someone to do with their kids!
Posted: Thu, 12th Feb 2004, 11:06pm

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Rating: -1

star wars geeks
Posted: Thu, 12th Feb 2004, 11:07pm

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No, not really
Posted: Fri, 13th Feb 2004, 3:04am

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unclepain

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Wow- Trashy filth? I thought that description was reserved for the Superbowl halftime show. biggrin

Well, once again, it's no surprise to me that the biggest complaint is the fact that there are kids in the film. You're pretty much going to fall on one side or the other which is cool. I totally expected that and knew going into it that the film would get that kind of reaction. Hopefully you'll watch the film with the fun campy spirit it was made in. If you're looking for a serious fan film with brutal fights and amazing acting, well... you're in the wrong place. If you're looking for a fun film with some decent effects, then hopefully you'll enjoy it.

Oh, and I'm not quite sure if Solid Snake intended his comment of "star wars geeks" to be an insult, but I actually found it a compliment.

Viva el dorks!
Posted: Fri, 13th Feb 2004, 3:18am

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I admitt that the kids did anoy me a little but I dont think that saying "trashy filth" is acceptable and is a little irrate dont you think?
The things with the kids was that their voices kinda ran together in a whiny tone, I know this is probably due to the lack of pubery biggrin but it still got to me. I think that if they keep at it their acting will improve well beyond that of their peers but for now it is kind of annoying, but I can deal with it because I know they are learning and I think that is the way others should look at it as well.
Posted: Fri, 13th Feb 2004, 3:31am

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Geez, I hope Fallen Angel doesnt get above Art of the Saber. We might get a bashing as well...
Posted: Fri, 13th Feb 2004, 4:08am

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haha
Posted: Fri, 13th Feb 2004, 4:46am

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I actually liked the lame cracks and stuff from the kids. At the beginning, I thought the acting was going to make it really bad, but as it went on I appreciated the humor from the kids, and the sarcasm from the Jedi, and how it was woven into the storyline. You guys definitly did a good job of balancing the comedy, while still telling a good story.
Posted: Tue, 17th Feb 2004, 9:28am

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Solid Snake

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hey uncle pain, do you go around your house or out onto the streets in those star wars costumes?
nah i didn't mean it to be an insult, i like star wars, just not so much as to get as excited as you may do
Posted: Tue, 17th Feb 2004, 12:35pm

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unclepain

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I still sleep in my R2-D2 underoos. Does that count as a costume?
Posted: Sun, 29th Feb 2004, 4:00am

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I think this movie was really well made. The greenscreen worked really great. And the fighting was good. Just next time, get grown ups to act as the 3 jedis. But, i do give credit to the 3 kids who acted in it. its kind of hard acting at that age, unless your having fun.
overall, i gave you guys a 4 out of 5
Posted: Sun, 29th Feb 2004, 11:11pm

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lembi2001

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I liked this film however i found it extremely difficult to tell what was being said on a few of occasions as the music was louder than the voices. Overall though this film was good. I like the idea of using kids as the lead characters. very innovative.
Posted: Fri, 2nd Apr 2004, 1:31am

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I thought that the movie was good over all. The 3d graphics, in my opinion, were great! A couple things though. First of all, is there anyway that you could just speed up the lightsaber fighting at all? I know that it is possible to do with what I saw in the rest of the movie. To me, it just seemed like you expected every single move. Second, try to leave out some-o-the knee slappers. I understand that you are trying to be funny, but the "making fun of Zorm" scene was a bit long for me. Over all though, I thought it was great. I still can't get over the 3d effects. Man, sooo cool! smile
Posted: Tue, 15th Jun 2004, 10:42am

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I think the movie was very good, though those kids did'nt sound that serios. They like, did not change moods. But the effekts was great.
Posted: Mon, 27th Sep 2004, 7:32pm

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Hy. The film was great but those kids...they were funny with there moves biggrin
And the spacebattle was great too. smile
Posted: Mon, 27th Sep 2004, 7:34pm

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Hy. The film was great but those kids...they were funny with their moves biggrin
And the spacebattle was great too. smile
Posted: Sat, 16th Oct 2004, 11:06pm

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Great Job guys!

You know some of these comments I'm reading above about the kids acting are insane. I'm laughing, are some of you people serious?
The kids in this were Fantastic! Give them a break. Do any of you remember when you were a kid?

I only wish I had someone to make me something this cool when I was 9 years old.

It's obvious the creators made this movie with the sole purpose of entertaining the kids.
I bet these kids have shown everybody, and so they should because this movie is a kids dream as a Star Wars fan.

Looks like to me you all had a lot of fun.
Sweet movie!

Stew
Richmond, Virginia
Posted: Tue, 19th Oct 2004, 7:01pm

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unclepain

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Thanks Stew! We appreciate the comments, even the bad ones. I knew from the beginning that there would be a certain segment of viewers who would hate the fact that there are kids in the film so it doesn't surprise me to see negatives comments about it or see folks voting a 0 on the film. Not a big deal- I think that most people who view the film with an open mind can appreciate the amount of work that went into this and the simple fact that we just won an award in the SuperTeam film competition for Best Visual Effects and some of the good comments we got back from the folks here and other places online validates that for us. As far as the kids go, different strokes for different folks I guess.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Dec 2004, 11:30pm

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Amazing film guys. At first I thought the kids acting would be lame but it turned out to be fine becos of the adults as well.

I was wondering, did you have to hire a green screen studio? I am making a film (amateur) and showing it at a school for charity, I am doing the editing. Also, did you use Chrominator for the greenscreen stuff?
Posted: Sun, 5th Dec 2004, 10:52pm

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unclepain

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Joabo,

I was lucky enough to work at a television production studio and pulled some strings to get into that green screen studio at no cost. I couldn't have afforded to rent it if I would of had to pay for it.

Also, Chromanator was not ready at the time this was in post, so I used DV Matte Pro from DV Garage which is a great DV keying plugin for After Effects.

Jeremy
Posted: Mon, 13th Dec 2004, 7:25pm

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kingofbling775

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good film..i thought the saber skills could of been quicker like in art of the saber but still a good film biggrin
Posted: Mon, 13th Dec 2004, 11:18pm

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unclepain

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LOL! If we could fight like the Ho Brothers in Art of the Saber, I wouldn't bother making films- I'd be out kicking people's asses. smile

Seriously- Art of the Saber is one of the all time great saber fights. I knew we'd never be able to pull off stuff like that believably since we're both about as athletic as 2 wet towels. You got the best that these old bodies could produce, and that ain't much.
Posted: Fri, 21st Jan 2005, 4:39am

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Talk about an unexpected perk of having kids: They can act in fanfilms. I never thought about that, why when I have kids I'll have a whole cast of padawans, jawas, and ewoks. It'll be great. I love your movie, adventuresome enough to keep my attention and "nice" enough I can show my little cousin. That's so crazy that you got a greenscreen studio, the mere thought makes me drool more than Jabba himself. Under normal circumstances I would critique a bit and try to offer some friendly advice but... I don't quite have your level of mad skills, so unless something comes to mind soon you'll have to be stuck with "Next time make it even better, somehow" It's a classic, and the burning question in my mind is: When is a sequel coming out?

-CJ-
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 12:08am

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i need help from somebody who knows the program. I just got it and i have no idea what im doing. First of all, if i want to make a lightsaber, how do i get it to highlight and stay on the lightsaber without having to highlight it every frame. It is taking me forever. Also, when i bring the video into alam, the video speeds up a lot and same when i export it. Is this because of my camera or the settings on the program. Someone please respond because i dont know what i am doin
Posted: Sun, 3rd Apr 2005, 4:33am

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Alright J man...
1st off: Welcome to FXhome.
2nd: Please don't use movie forums for tech questions unless they're relevant to the movie. (I suppose I'm being a hypocrite myself here)
3: Any technical questions can be answered in the Support: Help Forums section of the website found on the taskbar above.
4: If you want a saber to be stretched out to encompass multiple frames select the saber and activate the animation timeline. Then select "modify" "Full Stretch Effect", the saber will now be stretched throughout the whole movie. (There still is no quick way to do sabers, they take alot of time and alot of love)
Finally: Have patience. It takes work, but with time there's practically no limit to what you can do with ALAM DV II. (not to mention the future ALAM DV III wink )

My apologies to unclepain
Your movie is worthy of the Jedi archives. (aka my hard drive)
Posted: Mon, 4th Apr 2005, 11:41am

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unclepain

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Oh, no worries. I was just surprised to see someone commenting in here again. smile I'm trying to figure out how J Man selected this thread though for posting. I mean, he would of had to dig through a lot of film threads to find this one. I guess he thought this thread was hoppin? (Actually, it's been dead for a while now but, eh...)

Anyways, welcome J Man and thanks for the kudos ChristianJedi.
Posted: Wed, 8th Jun 2005, 9:33am

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I watched this about a year ago, it's still a big favorite. I love the 3D! Film on a whole is fun, cute, and humorous. It's neat that you involved the kids too. Can't wait for your next flick! hugegrin
Posted: Mon, 13th Jun 2005, 6:04pm

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Hi! I just watched the movie, and it was amazing!!!! Really cool effects there! By the way, did you make the 3D-backgrounds yourself? In that case, what 3D-program do you use?

Keep going!
Posted: Mon, 13th Jun 2005, 10:19pm

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unclepain

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Thanks! I used Lightwave for the 3D backgrounds, etc. You can browse the earlier pages of this thread for alot of other info about what I used in making this film.
Posted: Mon, 13th Jun 2005, 10:22pm

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make a new movie. now!
Posted: Mon, 13th Jun 2005, 11:29pm

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unclepain

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Hmm... well, I'm actually not sure if I'll ever make another movie. I'm kinda just enjoying being a dad right now. But I do have a few ideas cooking, but I really don't have anything new to speak of. Who knows when inspiration will strike again though. wink
Posted: Tue, 14th Jun 2005, 6:00am

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Well done mate. that was a great movie. I have been thinking, do you know how to creat the effect of "force pushes". You no like picking up objects with "the force". This is the last thing i need to learn for my movie. Be gratefull if you could let me know, if you know :p. Once again, nice film, and make another one.
Posted: Sun, 24th Jul 2005, 8:50pm

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Very nice movie indeed, only the saber fights could have been a bit faster and sometimes the younglings were a bit hard to hear. Overall very good movie. The lot of work this movie must have been surely paid off
Posted: Mon, 8th Aug 2005, 7:02pm

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THIS IS EXCELLENT!!!!!! the funniest movie i have seen all year. the lame costumes and makeup were top notch. the writing was way better than anything the simpsons have ever done and the acting was more over the top than anchorman. comic geniuses. 5/5 from me. WHAHAWAHWHAWHAHWHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA narm
Posted: Tue, 6th Sep 2005, 12:21pm

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HOLY SITH! THAT WAS SUPERB!
Gripping throughout, utterly hilarious, couldn't quite make out what the kids were on about at first but if it were entirely perfect I think Mr Lucas might ban it. 5/5 it has to be.
Posted: Tue, 21st Feb 2006, 8:59pm

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Loved the movie. I llove the fact that you used the kids (it tells alot about you) and love the CG in the movie. Overall, it is a great film and I will continue to watch it many more times.