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Terminator Effects Test

Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 11:46am

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Arktic

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A Terminator-inspired test clip, where I slice open my arm to repair the control rods, similar to the way that Arnie does in T1. I wanted to see what it would look like combining physical effects and AlamDV plugins - and I think it looks OK. Unfortunatley, it's been made on my webcam, and edited in WindowsMovieMaker - so the editing is a bit off, and the picture quality isn't what I'd like it to be - but other than that, I'm quite pleased with the result.

I'd appreciate any comments/constructive criticism - bearing in mind that this is only a test, and I allready know that the editing and such isn't top notch. This is my first AlamDV film, so don't be too harsh wink

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Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 12:14pm

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As test goes (I hate tests!), this one wasn't bad at all...

It actually had somewhat of a story and was well made overall except for the following:

- You jump the axis a lot, usually a no-no unless you want to create an shock effect, which I'm not sure you pulled off here.

- Your physical effect of the skin being pulled off is pretty good, except when we actually see it "lifted off" the arm. A tighter cut there would totally sell the illusion (I know you said your edit ain't all that great but just thought I'd mention it nevertheless... One never knows).

- Use of Alam FX was neat and they were well integrated for the most part. One thing that bugged me was the static shot of the hand when you use the Terminator vision. It's very obvious the arm doesn't move and is still whereas you had those cool shots before where the fingers were moving. The contrast is striking. Rotoscopy on the Terminator eye needs to be better but you did amazing on you slow zoom on the open wound!

- The angle on your arm when you fix yourself with the wielding torch is a little too high so we see that there is nothing there. A slightly lower angle would've sold the illusion better. The smoke was a nice touch and well thought out.

Good work! You actually took the time to think and plan things out. Very nice!
Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 2:22pm

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Hi Arktic!
I appreciate it's a test but any chance of a Q/time version so Mac users can view it ?(or if there is a way of converting Windows files then I'm listening..?)

I'm really interested in physical/make-up effects and would like to see your film.

Thanks dude!
Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 7:33pm

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I liked that, very good use of the effects(except for the eye). I like how well the robotic arm thing fit your arm.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 8:43pm

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Wow - thanks for the fast feedback & kind words guys smile

John - yeah, I agree with those points. They were mainly due to space restrictions and such - so these won't be there if I do use this sequence in a proper film. As for the 'static-ness' of the POV shot - again, as I was using my webcam, it was hard to set up the shot so that the camera didn't shake like it was being held by a babboon on acid. So I compromised and used a still - but this (hopefully) wouldn't be a problem in a full scale version of the idea. Thanks for the detailed reply mate, I really appreciate it.

Mantra - I'm sorry, I can't convert the file at the moment, because I haven't got my proper software installed on this machine. What I will do, though, is get a bunch of screengrabs, so that you can get an idea of what the effects look like. I know it's not the same as seeing the thing in action - but it might be some help to you.

Brettsta - Yeah, the eye does look a bit pants - but without it, I just felt that those clips were lacking something. If I do something like this for real, I think that it would be easier to use a prosthetic hook-up or similar for those type of effects - because it'd look a lot better. As for the plugin - major kudos goes to Oily for making it smile It's a great little effect, and I can't wait to make something that really does it justice.

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2004, 10:11am

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darth_paul_goku

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Gore usually does not bother me. but seeing a big chunk of skin been cut off... Cool effects. I like it. what are you doing for your next project? wink
Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2004, 1:35pm

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I meant to ask you - which effects did you use for the "welding"? It was very convinving.
Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2004, 1:57pm

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Nice one Arktic, you turned the original test into something somewhat of an idea smile

I still prefer the running away falling over idea. wink

Very nice though, now go make a film biggrin
Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2004, 5:53pm

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Nice cool

and good use of one of my plug-ins!
Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2004, 8:47pm

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Very nice, the cutting of the skin effect was awsome, however you pulled it off. Great use of plugins and cant wait to see some of your full version stuff.
Posted: Tue, 6th Jan 2004, 10:38pm

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Thanks smile

John - I used the "Arc Welder" plugin as the main basis of the welding effect - but also using the "AlamDV1 Lightbulb" to emphasise the flashes. On top of this I used the "Smokers" plugins - but rather than using one at a time, I made them very transparent (about 70-ish%), and layered them. I thought that this gave a more realistic effect overall. I think that was the shot I was most pleased in, in terms of use of plugins - as you said, the camera angle wasn't great - but still, I won't make that mistake again smile

I hope this helps.

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Fri, 9th Jan 2004, 9:02am

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Hi. Slipstreampictures - can I just ask why you've given this a one star rating?

I'm not bothered if you liked it or not - it's just that I'd like to know why, so that for the next movie I do, I can improve on what you thought let me down here smile I highly value everyone's opinions - but the reason for this being posted here was to get some feedback so that I can continue improving my work - and without comments, I can't do that too well.

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jan 2004, 8:23am

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MATT PUGH

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I'll be frank since it's 12:21 AM here and I just got back from a play. This was boring. When I watched it a couple days ago I didn't get to vote on it becuase I had fallen into a drowsy accoma for a few days. I mean the FX were decent but nothing very innovative to me. 3 stars.


PEACE OUT
Posted: Wed, 14th Jan 2004, 5:49pm

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Mantra

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Hey Arktic!
Finally got to see your test movie (now I have downloaded Windows player for Mac) and I really liked it. I would go along with alot of the positive comments already posted and also agree with John Carter on the possible improvements you could make, but it was cool!

I look forward to seeing your own Terminator film in the near future smile
Posted: Thu, 17th Jun 2004, 7:13pm

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Wow that was really cool.
Posted: Fri, 12th Aug 2005, 9:18pm

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That was an awsome clip!

I know you said that you didn't really work to hard on the editing, so the angles and stuff you probably already know about.

I knew that you obviously weren't really cutting open your skin, but the open with the knife was so convincing, I had to remind myself it wasn't real.

I never actually saw T1, but I would assume that if you were a robot, there would be no blood, but i could be wrong.
Posted: Fri, 12th Aug 2005, 10:09pm

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Arktic

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Hey sgb4622, thanks for the comments!

Heh, it's been more than a year and a half since I did this test, so it's cool that people are still watching it smile

Looking back on it now, the cutting effect is pretty good - I'm quite proud of that. Oh, and the Terminator does bleed because it's a cybernetic-organism - living tissue over a robotic endoskelleton. So there ya go wink

Cheers,
Arktic
Posted: Fri, 12th Aug 2005, 10:39pm

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AHAHAH I remember this, and to this day I had NO idea you made this mate. Good times.

Ouch, I gave it a 2 over a year ago..... At least we're friends now! smile
Posted: Fri, 12th Aug 2005, 11:18pm

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Ahhh, how things have changed, eh Waser?