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Ultimate Guide to Video Editing Applications

Posted: Sun, 11th Jan 2004, 4:44am

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There seems to be questions about which application one should use to edit their video popping up relatively frequently around here, so, as this is a video-centric site, I thought I would start a little guide to all of the possibilities, with basic feature lists and prices.

Since there are a lit of users around who cannot afford the Proffesional-quality options, I hope to cover all of the less expensive ones, too. The goal is to create a good starting point for anyone to select the application that is right for them, regardless of their experience or budget.

It will be a work in progress for a bit, and more info and applications will be added as I have the time. Also, I'd be happy for any info you guys could provide if you have used some of these, because obviously I haven't used them all. Especially the Windows-only ones, since I'm on a Mac.

So here is the list:

Final Cut Pro 4: Mac OS X, $1000 ($400 academic from Apple’s Educational Store)
99 tracks each of video and audio
Real-time preview of effects and transitions
High Quality titling abilities
Soundtrack app included for creating music to fit your film
HD and 24P support
Quicktime export
Great Color Correction tools
Advanced audio mixing tools

Avid Xpress Pro: Windows XP, Mac OS X $1700 ($400 academic at JourneyEd)
24 tracks of video and 24 tracks of audio with unlimited layering
Real-time preview of effects and transitions
HD and 24P support
Excellent Color Correction capabilities
Good Titling Abilities (includes Boris FX6 LTD & Graffitti2 LTD)
Excellent media management
Mac and Windows versions in same box
Quicktime, RealVideo, and Windows Media Export

Avid Xpress DV: Windows XP, Mac OS X $700
8 tracks of video, 8 tracks of audio
Real-time preview of effects and transitions
Mediocre titling capabilities
Excellent Color Correction
DV support only
Excellent media management
XP and OS X versions in 1 box

Adobe Premiere Pro: Windows XP $700 ($250 academic at JourneyEd)
Unlimited tracks of video and audio
Real time previews
HD support
Multiple nestable timelines
Excellent titling tools
5.1 audio capabilities
Good Color Correction tools

Adobe Premiere 6.5: Mac OS 9/OS X, Windows $600
Unlimited tracks of video and audio
Real time previews
Excellent titling tools


Vegas Video 4: Windows 98SE/ME/2000/XP $560 ($160 academic at JourneyEd)
Unlimited tracks of audio and video
Real-time previews
Color Correction tools
5.1 audio capabilities
Titling tools
HD (limited) and 24P support
Advanced audio editing tools
Also available with DVD support as Vegas + DVD for $800
(thanks to Filmy[guest] for the additional info)


Pinnacle Liquid Edition 5.5: Windows 2000 or XP $650

Pinnacle Studio 8

Pinnacle Express

Final Cut Express: Mac OS X $300 ($150 academic from Apple’s Educational Store)
99 layers of video and audio
Real-time previews
Color Correction toolset
Integrated titling tools (also includes Boris Calligraphy)
Nestable projects and sequences
Optimized for DV

Ulead MediaStudio Pro 7: Windows 2000/XP $500
101 tracks each of video and audio
Real-time previews
Excellent media management
High-quality Titling capabilities
Integrated DVD authoring
Audio support includes AC-3 audio for DVD
AVI, WMV, Quicktime export
(thanks to padawanNick for the info)

MainActor 5

Ulead VideoStudio: Windows 98SE/ME/2000/XP $100
Real-time previews
One track each of video and audio
Titling abilities

Vegas Screenblast Movie Studio 3: Windows 98SE/2000/XP $100
6 tracks
Titling abilities
Real-time previews of effects and transitions

Apple iMovie

Windows MovieMaker

Roxio Videowave Movie Creator

Roxio Videowave Power Edition

Video Edit Magic

Avid Free DV: Mac OS X, Windows XP $FREE
2 tracks video and 2 tracks audio, with two layers per track
16 customizable real-time effects
Titling Tool
DV support only


This should get things started. If you have additional info on any of these apps, or know of others not on the list, post them here and I'll add 'em in (along with due credit). I'm primarily looking for technical info at this point (the type of stuff I've listed) as opposed to opinions on ease of use or whatnot. You can post your opinions too, though. Eventually I might work them in.

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Posted: Sun, 11th Jan 2004, 9:09am

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You could add Pinnacle Studio 8. Thanks for posting this. biggrin

EDIT: Whoops, I saw that you already have put this up.
Posted: Sun, 11th Jan 2004, 7:21pm

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Do you have any info you could provide on Pinnacle studio 8? I've never used it myself.
Posted: Sun, 11th Jan 2004, 9:46pm

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Just a few add on type things -

Sony (Formaly Sonic Foundry) Vegas is also a very powerful DAW as well. Beyond it's video abilities you can also create soundtracks, the 5:1 support was mentioned, but the ability to just mix in stero is also there. if you combine this with Sound Forge you have a full audio post suite as well. Acid has come in handy for many people outside of creating music - sound designers have used it for making ambiance loops.

Vegas related as well - some current 'downsides' - no hardware support but will work with *any* OCHI 1394 card or WMV card. It will work with Hi-Def but currently there is no way to directly capture or export HD material. Time Code support is limited. EDL support is very limited. If you need to do any sort of offline work and plan to go to online Vegas is not for you. No matchback option, and if you combine that with lack of EDL support and full timecode support, Vegas is not the tool for cutting films shot on film for negative cut.

If your needs fall with in the DV field (Mini-DV, DVC Pro 25, Panasonic DVX100 - 24p) than Vegas is 100% suited for your editing, mixing and color correction needs. (Just an FYI as well - Vegas was the first, and possibly still the only (?), software to handle the Pani DVX100's 24p modes natively. It does the pulldown automticly and handles 2-3 and/or 2-3-3-2. No need for DVFilm Maker.) Oh, and you can also render out to DVD - 24p DVD no less. There is an option for Vegas + DVD that adds basic DVD authoring to the package as well. Vegas uses it's own DV codec.

Screenblast of sort of the "le" version of Vegas. It is built around the same engine but it is more limited plus the 'ageement' states Screenblast is not for commerical use.

Premiere Pro 1 - Adobe, for whatever reeason, has done away with EDL support. No 24p support. Hardware support yes. Deck control yes. Uses the Main Concept DV codec

Premiere 6.5 - No 24p supprt. EDL supprt - yes. Deck control - yes. Limited compositing and animation capablilaties. Uses the MS DV codec.


Left off the list -

Canopus Let's Edit. - Open ended software that will work with any OCHI firewire card. (Following the Vegas lead) Cost about $200.00 (US). Also comes in a "RT" bundle with a analog/firewire card combo (Firewire out only) for $299.00 (US) and an "RT+" bundle that comes with an Analog/Firewire card (Firewire AND Analog out) for $399.00 (US).

Windows XP or 2000 / Mac OS 9 or later
Titles, effect, transitions - all the usual things. Not sure about EDL support, Deck control, HD or 24p
Posted: Sun, 11th Jan 2004, 9:54pm

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You should definately add Ulead Media Studio Pro...

Its a powerful editing system with loads of features, check it out:

http://www.ulead.com/msp/runme.htm
Posted: Tue, 13th Jan 2004, 6:55pm

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To back up Tap2:
Ulead Media Studio Pro 7: Windows XP/2000 $300 street (B&H)
101 tracks each of video and audio
Real-time preview of effects, overlays (compositing) and transitions
High Quality titling abilities. (Dedicated module in addition to Video Editor embedded titling features.)
Audio editing module (in addition to Video Editor audio mixer)included.
AVI, WMV, MPG, Quicktime export.
Full AC-3 Audio Support
Excellent media management (Capture module can scan DV tapes at 20x and automatically mark and catalog scenes for capture and/or indexing)
Capture from DVD.
DVD Authoring included.
Rotoscoping module included.
Tweenable masking/object/title animation module included.
Very good compositing abilities.

Have fun.
Posted: Tue, 13th Jan 2004, 7:58pm

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Thanks guys. I'll work those in as soon as I can.
Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2004, 1:16pm

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Just for those who are interested Vegas Video 4 has 3-wheel primary and secondary color correction filters, which can be used with the included Waveform, Vectorscope, Parade, and Histogram monitors. Very useful for matching footage the "scientific" way, and some on the fly color corrections.
Posted: Wed, 25th Feb 2004, 5:12pm

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Slightly off-topic, but what will "Academic" say? It's a rather large price difference between academic and full, so it's nice to know wink

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Posted: Wed, 25th Feb 2004, 8:41pm

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Academic reflects special pricing available to peoplw who are either students or faculty at an accredited school. If you are still in school, chances are very good you can get a lot of software at very discounted prices. Generally the only difference in the product is that academic versions usually don't have printed manuals, just PDF versions. The software itself is almost always fully functional.
Posted: Wed, 25th Feb 2004, 9:01pm

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I've bought some academic software that came with manuals. But you aren't supposed to make any money off of them.
Posted: Wed, 25th Feb 2004, 10:28pm

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Every academic software Ive gotten came with manuals.
Posted: Wed, 25th Feb 2004, 11:28pm

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What goes under "Student"?
Junior High School, High School, College or what?
Posted: Wed, 25th Feb 2004, 11:48pm

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Erico wrote:

What goes under "Student"?
Junior High School, High School, College or what?
all
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 11:30pm

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With Roxio Movie Creator you sometimes get problems like a misplaced frame or problems with transitions. I have also had problems with compressing video repeatedly, especially with any text. However, the windows movie maker works well for compressing and sound editing.
Posted: Fri, 30th Apr 2004, 5:45am

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AIST MovieDV 4.5 or the new version 6 I found for the money is very reasonable. For under $70 you can't beat it with all the plugins they have for it. Take a look www.aist.com

The site has both English and Germen and whatever...I found version 6 on the Germen site and it's not offered on the English site. Very nice. Give it a try.
Posted: Fri, 30th Apr 2004, 8:37am

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EditStudio is a fantastic program for the price (£59)

http://www.puremotion.com/editstudio/index.htm

You can download it from the site, like AlamDV.

It has tons of features such as colour filters, lens flare, tons of transition effects (Herb Garden), & in-built keying too, though not so customisable as Chromanator. It also has audio effects, such as panning. You can have picture-in-picture effects, with motion too, it supports keyframes, & you can have other motion effects such as being able to select a region of the video & only altering that part e.g. masking a person's face.

It has a very easy to use interface, & Computer Video magazine recently gave it more than 90% in a review.

Check out the manuals on the page above. I really recommend this program.
Posted: Sat, 1st May 2004, 1:34am

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hey, final cut express is great if you don't want to buy final cut pro! It's really powerful!
Posted: Sat, 26th Jun 2004, 9:44pm

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use adobe premiere its the best!
Posted: Fri, 2nd Jul 2004, 3:58pm

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Or for the more budget minded.. (And probably more technically minded too)

Cinelerra

Its Free...
Posted: Fri, 9th Jul 2004, 12:06am

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What is better?
Premiere Pro

Or

Final Cut Pro for MAC

Please answer me :\
Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2004, 2:52am

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How many audio tracks does Pinnacle Studio 9 have, and also, what's the best between these two: Pinnacle Studio 9 or Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5?
Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2004, 3:30am

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go with premiere its alot more powerful than pinnacle in the long run
Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2004, 3:37am

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Pinnacle is horrible! Definately Premiere.

As for Mounty, go for FCP, it's better IMO.
Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2004, 8:23am

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Also, Vegas 5 is out, as is dvd architect 2....might want to update that. And also, you CAN capture HD, just not true HD. The HD its meant for is the only kind available to the semipro consumer (sony fx1, jvc hd1)

The only three i would reccomend on there for PC users is Mediastudio, Vegas 5 and Premiere pro. Pinnacle liquid isnt really that great (and it takes over your computer when you run it) and the other products by pinnacle are known for theyre unreliability.
Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2004, 12:54pm

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Filmy[guest] wrote:

Vegas uses it's own DV codec.
Never used 4, but I have version 5. Yes, it has it's own codec, but you can switch it off with a simple tick box, switch to using the Microsoft DV codec, or any other one on your system. I have mine set up to use the Main Concept DV Codec.

If you're using DV on a PC, then Vegas 5 is the one to go for.
Posted: Sun, 12th Dec 2004, 4:15pm

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if someone could AIM me im having some real problems with vegas 5