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Posted: Tue, 27th Jan 2004, 6:45pm

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I need to buy some new software to create special effects.
Right now i use 3Dmax to make explosions, fire, smoke and other effects.
OK that looks verry real, but i need software thats more easy to operate.

A friend of mine told me about Alarm DV and Particle Illusion.
What i saw in the demo's on this site is a lot of swords and a lot of fire.
What i saw on the demosite of wondertouch was also a lot of fire and smoke.

Who can tell me what's the best option form me and why
The price can't be the problem because my boss is paying the software.

Let me know so i can advice my boss when he
Posted: Tue, 27th Jan 2004, 6:56pm

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I've never used Particle Illusion, so I can't say for sure. Download the demo of Alamdv and mess around with it for a while, to see if it gives good results (you can render in the demo, just with a watermark).

Most of the people on this site are probably going to say "Go with AlamDV! It's the best ever!", and it is a good program, and very easy to use, but sometimes the results can look a little amateurish. That's why I recommend trying out demos of both programs.
Posted: Tue, 27th Jan 2004, 7:06pm

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anonymous

Yes i've downloaded both demo's, but need advice from users who know the ins and outs of the programs.
They both have watermarks in the demo, and thats not the problem.
Maybe i can tell you what i think of the two so far.

What i can do with Alarm DV looks almost the same as i can with After Effects. Take a sequence of files and keyframe them on the place where i need them, but a lot cheaper then After Effects and the result looks good.
With Particel Illusion i can control every particle like the color, life, wind etc.
My opinion so far is that Particle illusion gives you much more
(i can even put an avi on each particle), but to work fast and easy i need Alarm DV

Am i right or wrong
Posted: Tue, 27th Jan 2004, 7:08pm

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The biggest difference is that in AlamDV, you simply place and manipulate pre-made effects in your movie, whereas Particle Illusion actually is a particle generator, so you have greater control over the exact type of effect you create. Particle Iluusion is a bit more versatile in that respect, but does not handle the actual compositing, I don't think. AlamDV, however, is much easier to learn and use, and is the easiest way to add effects of that type to your movies.
Posted: Tue, 27th Jan 2004, 7:22pm

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Personally I tried the PI demo and didnt like it. Alamdv is great, and many people make plugins from PI, so you get the best of both!
Posted: Tue, 27th Jan 2004, 7:40pm

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Well, if you go here http://fxhome.com/alamdv2/plugins/about.html , you can look at all the effects for alamdv (constantly being added to), and then you can figure out the manipulating system in the demo. I have never used PI, so i can't tell you much about it, other than i have trouble downloading it's demo.
Posted: Tue, 27th Jan 2004, 11:40pm

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I absolutely HATE ParticleIllusion, I downloaded the free 2.0 version and there are a bunch of problems: In AlamDV, there is a quad aroudn the object, allowing you to manipulate it how you wish, however, in PIllusion, you have to go to the Size option and make it smaller or bigger, but if you make it bigger, it looks like it gooes extremely slow, so I increase the velocity, but now the particles are all seperated, so I lower it but.... GAAH
Posted: Wed, 28th Jan 2004, 12:53pm

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anonymous

Today i've played with both programs and my opinoin is that yhey both have there pro's and cons.
I think that Particle Illusion is more a professional program and Alarm DV is great for video people at home.

My boss told me to buy both programs so....
Problems solved.
Posted: Wed, 28th Jan 2004, 1:44pm

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Can you stop calling it alarmdv please? It's caleed AlamDV. No r. I don't know where they came up with it, but it's right this way.
Posted: Wed, 28th Jan 2004, 1:46pm

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So much of the people who come here call it Alarm, and it does get annoying. Why in the world would it be called Alarm?!?
Posted: Wed, 28th Jan 2004, 1:59pm

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Maybe because it's Alarmingly cheap and easy?
Posted: Wed, 28th Jan 2004, 2:02pm

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If your boss is paying I’d say get both. Then you could use particle illusion to make plug-ins. Some of my plug-ins were made with PI.

AlamDV2 - Animates effects
Particle Illusion - Renders effects

AlamDV2 is a much easier program to use though.

Can you stop calling it alarmdv please? It's caleed AlamDV. No r. I don't know where they came up with it, but it's right this way.
Alam - Amateur Light and Magic

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Posted: Wed, 28th Jan 2004, 2:06pm

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Oily, how did you go about making the bionic effect?
Posted: Wed, 28th Jan 2004, 2:14pm

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Pooky

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Hrm, does anybody here that has PI 2.0 know how to fix the size problem I talked about earlier?
Posted: Wed, 28th Jan 2004, 2:21pm

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Oily, how did you go about making the bionic effect?
I actually did that in photoshop, I’ll PM you with the details.
(Don’t want to go off topic)

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Posted: Wed, 28th Jan 2004, 7:32pm

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AlamDV's best plugins for fire and explosions are created from footage of actual explosions and fire. Particle Illusion's are created from animated particles.

I have used both programs for quite a while and I can truly say that AlamDV has the upper hand of explosions and fire. Infact AlamDV has many things better than Particle Illusion, but if you get to grips with Particle Illusion's more complex options then you'd also be able to get some really good effects (maybe not in the fire/explosion category though).

The main difference - Particle Illusion's preset effects aren't that good, to get good you need to make custom ones. AlamDV's gold award plugins are really good, and so are most of the Silver and Bronze award ones. If there is something you want - request it, or even make it!