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Posted: Mon, 2nd Feb 2004, 1:34pm

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Kaz Gamble

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A man caught up in something. Something big. He doesn't know what they want. he doesn't know who they are. He doesn't know the ninja's name. In this theatrical bombshell of a movie, there is intrigue, there is loss, there is sacrifice, and there are explosions. Oh, and there are sparks. Lots of sparks.

He's being set up.

Enter: Bad Action Movie, the debut film from Cabinet Squirrel Productions, a small-time independent quartet based in the depths of Salt Lake City suburbia. If you think this is a normal action movie, you're wrong. In this film, you'll have to fight to keep from soiling your pants. All you can think is, "Is he going to be okay?" The depth of character in this film is amazing, the dialogue: inspired.

So, grab some popcorn, get your girlfriend, and settle down for as long as you can for Bad Action Movie. With the special effects masters out of Cabinet Squirrel Productions, you will be on the edge of your seat, and your girlfriend will make out with you. Filmed on location in Salt Lake City, Utah; you'll be saying, "You're tooo late!"
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Posted: Mon, 2nd Feb 2004, 5:15pm

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Rating: -3

I hated this movie.

To start off with the acting was crap! (no offence but when the phone call happened at the start why did he run outside and the house exploded?) Also why did the guy in the car climb out of the window when he coulda used the door?

And who was that man that says "i know the way"? This story just dosent make any sense what so ever plus the acting was not realistic either.

Ok you done well with some of the effects but apart from my that it was rubbish!

i give you 0 for this movie.

Im never usually this harsh but i was dissapointed.
Posted: Mon, 2nd Feb 2004, 5:57pm

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Rating: +1

Sledge Hammer subtlelty there Callum, remember when you write your review that although it's your opinion it's only fair to have a two sided argument (e.g I wasn't too impressed with X but there were some good ideas). As most people well know the vast majority of users are Amatures and you shouldn't begin watching these films with hopes of seening the next Matrix etc. And remember that no one likes to see a post saying: "I hate this thing which you have spent time working on" or "this movie is crap, get acting lessons moron" or something to that effect. Be more careful when reviewing stuff as you might hurt or offend the maker (Then they might hurt you! twisted )

Waiting for download, review coming soon)

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Posted: Mon, 2nd Feb 2004, 6:17pm

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Right then now I've watched it I can comment but before I do I just want to say that my review is based on it being a comedy (If it wasn't intended to be one then I am very sorry.)

The acting wasn't that bad, none of the actors overdid it, as it's so easy to do in this sort of movie which is a good thing. The car window thing was pretty funny as was the whole "You don't have any bullets" thing. For the most part the effects were added well although one or two of the muzzle flashed could do with being a tad bigger and some of the explosions wobbled a bit with the camera. Having sparks on the grass was a bit of a bad idea, maybe next time use one of the particles plugins. The use of the "F" word really brought the whole movie down a bit for me as it was used for no apparent reason. The plot (if there was one was also unclear but the movie worked out at around a 2.5 star level.

Good luck for future projects.

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Posted: Mon, 2nd Feb 2004, 8:27pm

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Rating: +1

you guys got some mad skills redface
Posted: Mon, 2nd Feb 2004, 9:46pm

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callum, you completely missed the point of this entire movie. It was a parody. It was meant to be the embodiment of the stupid and nonsensical aspects of every action movie.

First, the acting was supposed to be crap. Everyone over-acted because it was supposed to imitate action movies.

As the audience, you don't know WHY the house exploded. We did this because if the movie was about a guy who watched TV for 8 minutes and 15 seconds, it wouldn't have been interesting. You are supposed to want to figure out WHY his house exploded. You learn more about the story as the movie progresses. Nothing was really explained (as in the typical action movie), which leaves you wanting to see a sequel (how they do it in every action movie).

Edit: The sparks on the grass were intentional, as sparks are always overly exaggerated in action movies.

On a side note, does anyone know why sparks ricochet off the ground next to James Bond's feet when he is running away? Why would they be aiming at his feet? It doesn't make any sense.

The useless and unexplained explosions were intended to make the audience aware of how REAL action movies can use explosions or any other action uselessly, yet the audience is perplexed by it.

The guy used the window instead of the door because it allowed the protagonist to escape. Doesn't make sense, but it also doesn't make sense why 100 trained marksmen couldn't shoot down James Bond, now, does it? IT'S MAKING FUN OF ACTION MOVIES.

The ninja was the mysterious character who we learn more about in a possible prequel or sequel.

I didn't think anybody could be so bland as to not pick up on the satirical humor, especially with the name "Bad Action Movie."

Edit #2: I feel ashamed that I have to go through every joke in the movie and explain it in its entirety; it really takes away all of the subtle humor.

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Posted: Mon, 2nd Feb 2004, 9:48pm

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hey, I helped make this movie and in the description we were thinking about pointing out that it was a joke, but we thought the deliberate over-acting and title would have made it obvious. but yes, it is meant to be making fun of action movies, and no , there is no story, again pointing out how most action movie's stories are crap

oh yeah, the sparks on the grass and on his back(along with many other things) were a nod to The Final Assasin by Matt Pugh and how many sparks were in that movie.

I mean, look at the description for the movie. we wrote "The depth of character in this film is amazing, the dialogue: inspired."

The point is that the characters are crap, and the dialogue is meant to be horrible. I mean "you're too late!" You can't think we were serious when we made it, well at least serious about making an action movie.

I can understand if you give us a bad rating if you don't think it is funny, but please don't rate it as an action movie.

Thanks all! smile

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Posted: Mon, 2nd Feb 2004, 10:02pm

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A comment on the use of the "F-bomb" in the movie:

It was my least favorite part because I thought it may offend people and it was unnecessary, but then when I thought about it, the entire movie was unnecessary and so is every action movie. The reason you go to see an action movie is to see explosions and badasses telling people off.
Posted: Mon, 2nd Feb 2004, 10:38pm

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Kaz Gamble

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Thanks for the constructive criticiscm guys! I'm just gonna go kill myself now
Posted: Mon, 2nd Feb 2004, 11:31pm

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Kaz Gamble

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I guess the most i can hope for now is that this film might just barely pass up "The Mystery???"
Posted: Mon, 2nd Feb 2004, 11:37pm

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It wasn't that bad. I thought it was decent, although the f-word was rather unnecessary (didn't really fit, but I did like the "I can't take it back" line). Some of the lame action was pretty funny and creative, but it started to get old after a bit. Also, I would think as a parody it would at least explain a little of the story, or at least end it better than having the guy run down the street. But it was decent. Two stars from me.

Make sure when you make your parodies, you don't overemphasize the actual humor.
Posted: Mon, 2nd Feb 2004, 11:47pm

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BaneyBoy

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Lloyd66 wrote:


Make sure when you make your parodies, you don't overemphasize the actual humor.
How can you say that when 1/2 the people who watch it here don't even catch the humor in the first place?
Posted: Mon, 2nd Feb 2004, 11:47pm

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This really wasnt as bad as I expected. I think its a cool thing to do with your friends. Showing that to your friends and stuff is cool and will impress them. Then you got us here at fxhome. We know how to do all the stuff so its not as impressing to us, but if it makes us wanna keep watching, we rate it high. I for one did not think this really was bad. The mystery??? goes alot furthr down then this. I found some things funny like when it tlooked like the guy was jumping high and landed 2 ft udner. I didnt like the sparks and some other parts, but dont be put down by the peoples comments. Bad ACtion Movie.. Isnt the fact that its a parodyg implied? I gave it a 2 because it was alright, but has much room for improvement.
Posted: Mon, 2nd Feb 2004, 11:50pm

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thanks for the comments. i have to say i expected a little more than 2 stars, but like you said, we have it on this site to see what you guys think, and our friends love it, and we are happy with it, so life will go on.

btw, the main source of our material was from the final assasin, so watching that again may explain some of the jokes. hehehe anyway, i going to stick around to see our score tally in at like 1.8 smile
Posted: Mon, 2nd Feb 2004, 11:52pm

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BaneyBoy

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Brettsta wrote:

Bad ACtion Movie.. Isnt the fact that its a parodyg implied?
Once again, other people didn't even get that far...

The most "impressing" part about it wasn't the visual effects. I was most satisfied with it after the sound effects were added in.

Edit: Most people will not catch this. We weren't really trying to impress anybody, just give people a good laugh because we though you would have known the typical characteristics of crappy action movies, seeing how this is a filmmaking site and all.

Obviously people here just have different taste and senses of humor, I would rather watch the parody of a stupid movie than a stupid movie.

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Posted: Mon, 2nd Feb 2004, 11:55pm

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I wouldn't say Final Assassin was our main source of jokes, I've only seen that once and I don't remember it except from that it had some unoriginal story like "you killed my father, I want revenge" and bad acting.
Posted: Mon, 2nd Feb 2004, 11:59pm

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well, thats where we got the jump and the sparks, so I guess you are right, but when we were making it, that is what i thought of the most.
Posted: Tue, 3rd Feb 2004, 12:06am

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Saying that this movie is bad because it had no story is like saying that Lord of the Rings was bad because there weren't enough clowns juggling bowling pins.

A plot was not meant to be in this movie. If there was a plot it would have defeated the purpose of making it.
Posted: Tue, 3rd Feb 2004, 12:22am

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This movie was bad. But luckily it was supposed to be! Good job on a first film. Tighter editing, better sound, and a little more precision with the effects and you're alright. More close-ups too helps to bring you into characters more. As far as story - it was funny. No need to be specific there, just all around random humor. And there was a ninja. You can't go wrong with ninjas. 4 from me for effort and since it was your first film the actual product was worth the grade. If your next one isn't any better, I will be surprised.

AJ
Posted: Tue, 3rd Feb 2004, 1:34am

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thanks ajjax, that gives us all somewhat of a boost.

it kind of sucks because we really honestly thought everyone would like this movie, but, eh, what are you going to do? make some more movies, that's what smile
Posted: Tue, 3rd Feb 2004, 1:57am

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Ok, now, I understand that this was supposed to be bad, but the way you pulled it off was bad too. I hate commenting on things that are supposed to be parodies, because I can't ever tell if the things I think were bad because they were supposed to be, or if they're just bad. I really don't like comedies where people do stupid things or act really dumb just to be funny, so that part I didn't like. I thought the part with the "ninja" or whatever was funny. When he was rolling around to avoid nothing.
Posted: Tue, 3rd Feb 2004, 2:03am

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thanks for the comments aculag, but we weren't trying to get humor by acting stupid, we were just pointing out how bad most action movies are, and that's where the humor was meant to be. I understand though, we hate it when people try to get humor out of just acting like a jackass
Posted: Tue, 3rd Feb 2004, 2:19am

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One of you (I'm to lazy to check who) mentioned how lame some things in action movies are, like when 100 trained assassins can't kill James Bond. I agree that there are many lame action movies that get all their thrills on high speed chases and sex, but you have to understand that some things are a part of cinema. Like in the James Bond example, it would be really boring to stage a scene like that in a way that's realistic.

For example, if an assassin was chasing an FBI agent in real life, I'd bet that there would be a lot of just sitting around, waiting for a perfect time to jump out of hiding and get away. And I'd also bet that there would only be a few gunshots fired before someone was hit and knocked out. But it would be boring to watch a five minute action scene with two gunshots and a lot of crouching behind cover. Movies, in and of themselves, are not portraying reality, but sort of an escape from reality.

That said, I still liked most of this movie and understood and laughed at the humor in the irony of most of the parodies. I just hope you all understand that movies are sometimes a bit unrealistic on purpose.

(Hope that's not all too confusing confused )
Posted: Tue, 3rd Feb 2004, 2:22am

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yeah, i understand what you are saying, like hwo star wars would suck if luke was shot by a stormtrooper on tatooine.

I guess we are making fun of these things, but also we are kind of poiting them out, if you get what I'm saying.
Posted: Tue, 3rd Feb 2004, 3:12am

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do you have a smaller version? confused I cnat download this sucker!
Posted: Tue, 3rd Feb 2004, 3:15am

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we could get a smaller version up, but not tonight. we'll try tomorrow
Posted: Tue, 3rd Feb 2004, 3:15am

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Lloyd, when I mentioned that James Bond doesn't get shot by 100 trained marksmen it was in response to somebody who said it was unrealistic that the handgun cronie crawl out the window instead of use the door. The amount of time it took the cronie to get out the window let the protagonist escape, just as the marksmen don't hit James Bond.
Posted: Tue, 3rd Feb 2004, 3:46am

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thanks waser Ill be waiting for it! razz
Posted: Tue, 3rd Feb 2004, 4:45am

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I just thought I'd like to take another chance to say thanks for giving us a 0 before you even understood the movie.
Posted: Tue, 3rd Feb 2004, 2:02pm

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your movie is pretty cool! and check my first test movie its (kill himself)
and your movie is very laugthing....i like the scene when the guy jump on lowmotion and it fall on the ground! surprised
Posted: Tue, 3rd Feb 2004, 4:14pm

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BaneyBoy wrote:

I just thought I'd like to take another chance to say thanks for giving us a 0 before you even understood the movie.
People may have voted 0 because they didn't understand it. If you have to explain the plot etc. then they obviously believe that it was not well enough crafted to deserve a mark. You have to understand that every movie on the site is judged on the same scale i.e someones lightsaber test may earn a 1 because compared to DXM or Fallen Angel (to name just 2 excellent movies) it is not very good. If there was a separate catagory for tests and one for Feature Films and another for shorter films then the voting would be different but the best short film may still be worse than the worst feature film.

After thoroughly confusing myself (and probably you!) I can conclude that you got 0s because people didn't like your film as much as others on the site (*sorry to be harsh but it's true)
Posted: Tue, 3rd Feb 2004, 6:19pm

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This is their first movie and they put some time and effort into it. It could be better and they know that but go easy on 'em! This IS their first movie so at least give them some hope for the future! I think that if they made a remake right now, from what they learned, it would already be alot better! but giving them a zero on their first movie is kinda low down (callum-slade) not to mention any names biggrin
Posted: Tue, 3rd Feb 2004, 9:58pm

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Rawree wrote:

BaneyBoy wrote:

I just thought I'd like to take another chance to say thanks for giving us a 0 before you even understood the movie.
People may have voted 0 because they didn't understand it. If you have to explain the plot etc. then they obviously believe that it was not well enough crafted to deserve a mark.

After thoroughly confusing myself (and probably you!) I can conclude that you got 0s because people didn't like your film as much as others on the site (*sorry to be harsh but it's true)
He voted 0 because he didn't understand it was a comedy. That is not our fault. I didn't think it was humanly possible to not understand that this movie was a comedy. It is like watching a Simpson's episode and not understanding it is a comedy and then complaining because Homer is unrealistically stupid.

Outside of visual effects, which we didn't even use too many of, there isn't really a way you can compare our movie, a comedy, with other movies on the site, which are mostly redundant Jedi or Matrix movies.
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there are a lot of star wars movies and it IS getting reduntant, but there are also a LOT of good movies on here as well. Look up NoControl Cinema, Cobra Production, or BRB productions (those are my personal favorite movie makers)
I agree I dont think Callum had sufficient reason to give you a zero and he probably shouldnt have voted if he couldnt give at least something however he has had a respectable voting history so I dont think he did this out of spite. Im sorry he pulled you down but maybe others will help you get back up.
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I am sorry if my post made it sound as if you were to blame, I can assure you that was not my intention. Maybe you should PM Callum and ask him if he would mind explaining his vote more clearly so that you can understand what to improve. I personally think that "The Acting was crap" is not a good enough reason to vote 0.
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[quote="Frozenpede"]he [Callum] has had a respectable voting history so I dont think he did this out of spite.quote]

Well I don't know, he gave our movie a 0 for acting and story when he gave Zombie Knife Test a 5.

Besides that, I believe that if our movie hadn't started out with such a bad review that maybe others would have been able to watch it with more objective views.
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I think its about time for callum to make an appearance and settle all our questions before he gets a bad rep! I gave Zombie knife test a 5 because I think they deserved it but I also gave you a decent rating. By the way check out The Intruder to zmbie knife test in a film
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Frozenpede wrote:

I also gave you a decent rating.film
You haven't given a rating so far, but by the sounds of it "decent" means bad news for the Bad Action crew
Posted: Wed, 4th Feb 2004, 12:22am

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Kaz Gamble

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This movie has proven to be fairly controversial, maybe it will improve its popularity.

It's funny though cause this film is not "original" because we were making fun of other action movies. Maybe it would have been better to do a Star Wars or Matrix movie to add the originality to it.
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decent rating sounds like any thing above 2, which would be above our current average, and even though your vote wouldnt really count, anything above our average is great.

i dunno i think that this movie got off to a bad start because of the zero rating. it could be that people expected something horrible, but thought it was better than a zero and felt the most they could give it was a two. but then again people may genuinely not like bad action movie, but nonetheless i am still proud of it. Also, we got some really good scores from other users. two 4s and one 5? that is so good. i dont consider this movie to be out of the count yet, it only has 9 votes on it, and over 148 downloads! I mean we are out there, and people are seeing our work, which I'm really happy about!

anyway, I'm excited to see what more people say!
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Two things I want to say.

If you've downloaded and watched the movie, votes are well appreciated. There are 148 downloads and only 10 votes.

Second thing; if you've voted, a review is also appreciated. With some people seemingly not quite understanding the movie, it is discouraging to see people give us a 2 but not give any feedback.
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I hate when not a lot of people vote on a movie..
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yeah it really sucks becuase that zero really pulls us down despite our pretty good scores, oh wait there are three 2s there. still, id like to see what more people think
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Rating: -2

I don't even really think that what weve done should be known as work. We werent serious. It was made to send a message about how incredible in scale the intensity of how bad eighty percent of films in theaters (99.9999987 on FXHome) are in the present; and the people who were being made fun of obviously didn't understand, or didn't want to understand BECAUSE of their poor taste.

Personaly I don't care about our ratings, or if the people who contribute terrible films to this site even enjoy our mocumentary. Were making fun of them! So I'm not surprised.
Really the only thing that would make me happy is if people were to understand what has happened to film, in theaters and online, where all the nerds in the world can contribute "work" in hopes that another nerd on another continant will appreciate it and acknowledge that he appreciates it by using his mouse to point to a "5" or "4" and click.

So I guess ratings do mean something to me. They tell me if people realize, or do not realize the situation a once art form is in.
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And there is one more thing I'd like to say, and that's thank you to the cast and crew of the film for your dedication, regardless of any set backs involved, and to your believe in film, regardless of any people's terrible use of a camera.
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masta oooba wrote:

I don't even really think that what weve done should be known as work. We werent serious.
I was feeling hesitant about giving a 2 in this movie, but now I feel fine. That is the worst comment you could have made. If what you did wasnt work, dont expect us to rate it high. Bad desicion on posting that.
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well even though i wont let the bad scores get to me or get me down, i want to get good scores still.

plus I wouldn't say this film was meant to point out what is wrong with the media, but just pointing out some funny observations in action movies. That's what I got out of making it.
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Well, it seems that oooba needs some time to move on. Oooba made it seem like you dont even care about making movies. Why would I wanna see a future project if you "not going to take it seriously", as Oooba said. It seems that he cant possibly enjoy any work. Come on!
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trust me, we care, I know i do. I am really eager not only to see what kind of votes BAM gets, but even more eager to start a new film project! really though, just because our movie isn't doing as good as we thought it was (even though I cant really say that yet, it is only the first two days!) , I want to make a new movie and make it better, because that is why we are getting reviews in the first place.

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I don't even really think that what weve done should be known as work. We werent serious.
I was feeling hesitant about giving a 2 in this movie, but now I feel fine. That is the worst comment you could have made. If what you did wasnt work, dont expect us to rate it high. Bad desicion on posting that.
I disagree with ooba on that. This movie is work, because it took us time to come up with, film, and edit. We werent serious about making an action movie, true, but what we were serious about was making a comedy. This is a work of comedy for us at least
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oooba definatley bombed this movie with his comments. Its sad that he had to say stuff like that. I enjoyed it, but seeing on one of the people who made it, I'm not so sure of what to think now lol
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really, I think some of the people who worked on this movie are really sour right now, because in all honesty we thought this movie was going to do really well. I am not concerned with that though because it still can, given that some more people like it. but even if they don't, the votes here aren't going to change what I think of the movie, and they won't change the mind of the people we have shown it before the site.

please don't let comments like that ruin the movie though, as I am glad to hear you enjoyed it smile
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Dont let votes or comments from random people on the internet get you guys down. Its not worth it.
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i admit it does suck, but it doesnt get me down. I know that if i let some bad scores (and for some reason ignor the good scores we got) get to me and stop me from making films, I would be just like jack_pearce, and i dont have to say why that is something I dont want to be
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The Mystery and Devil may cry were... crazy

*runs away in fear, thinking about it
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heh, not to get off topic

but you know what would be cool. if either jack_pearce were off making some movie that gets perfect fives, or if someone made a fantastic re-make of the mystery

oh wait that would suck heh

back on topic:
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Brettsta wrote:

Dont let votes or comments from random people on the internet get you guys down. Its not worth it.
I think that's pretty much what Masta Ooba wanted to make said in his post.

I don't really care if someone doesn't like something I spent time on, as long as they don't like it for the right reasons. I can understand if someone didn't think it was funny; you can't tell someone what is funny and what is not.

What makes me angry is when someone doesn't like it because everything that was intentional in the movie goes way over their head and they think it was a flaw with the movie.

At the moment, I can't think of one thing that people criticized about the movie that wasn't intentional.

Edit: Except for that one of the explosions didn't work well with the camera moving.
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that true baney, it is a bit annoying that we got a zero from someone that damaged our chanes for getting an alright score because they thought it was a serious comedy. but i can see callum saying it wouldnt matter and that he doesnt think it is funny as a comedy. but I think he is the only person not to get the overall joke
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The best part about this movie was the title. The only thing I liked about it was the shot where the guy was running and the camera was beside him following, it was very smooth nice shot. The only other thing I liked was the Iron Maiden song at the end but it was cut. sad
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oof, that'll bring an average down sad
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Justinsane, you just didn't think it was funny?
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sorry kaz gamble I had thought I had given them a 4 but i guess it didnt register or something
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its cool, thanks for the 4 though, glad to see you liked the movie smile
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Awesome. [sarcasm]

There is nothing in justinsane's post that indicated he knew it was a comedy, so I really can't be sure of anything. If he didn't know it was a comedy, maybe we should put some disclaimer up or remake the movie with a laugh track neutral
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I am very sorry to those who didn't understand what I had to say and took it negatively. BOMBING a film that I contributed to wouldnt make much sense would it. It's not as if I wrote: "this film is terrible, it deserved zero stars, please, PLEASE, don't see it". Word usage is everything on the internet. Try next time to really analyze what I said.

And I do fell that what I said about work is wrong, from a certain point of view (theres the nerd in me), yes we did work, the other three much harder than myself, but by instinct, I somhow related the word "work", to art, which this film is not (or could be again from a certain point of view).
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I think this contraversy has been good for attention. Check out how many downlods it has in comparison to "The Intruder" or other recent movies!
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yeah, it's cool we are getting some downloads, cool to think so many people have seen our movie, I just hope they like it
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whos first in downloads this weak anyway?
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Chess Attack is first; it has 100 more than us.
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correction 96 and closing biggrin
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thats cool because I think chess attack is sweet biggrin
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I just hope that people watch it and laugh. That's all.
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I wonder what Whitey04's other username is. He joined 36 seconds ago and already rated us a 2. neutral Not even enough time to watch the frikkin movie.

Looks like we already have enemies.
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well there is the possiblity he downloaded it and felt he needed to give it a two right away as his first order of buisness neutral
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Honestly I think all this is, is that someone has some stupid grudge against you. If that the case expect low ratings but if someone actually gives you a rating with a REASON attached to it, take it to heart and your movies will be great even if whoever that is dont like it.
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i think that voting has stopped (no new votes in a while) I think BAM will stay this way for all the years to come. now onto another film! smile
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You guys seem to be taking this all too personally. Just because justinsane gave it a one doesn't mean he didn't know it was a comedy. The reason he probably did this is because he recognized it was a comedy and didn't find it funny. It also could have been to offset the 5's you gave yourselves (this is something you should never do unless it's really, really good).

Just please stop getting offended when people don't like your movie. Everyone has different tastes.
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i never said anything about him thinking it wasnt funny. I said in the beginning i didnt care what we got as long as people rated it as a comedy. also I didn't rate our movie and I don't plan to. The only one of us who rated it a five and had it count was Kaz, and so what if he did? Just becuase we got some twos, ones, and zeros doesnt lower our opinions on the movie, and we personally love it, and if I have learned anything about getting a movie rated is that other people'e votes really dont mean anything if I like it. isnt that what youve been saying? personally, I would give my movie something in the upper 4.somethings, but since there isn't an option to do so i might give it a five (but i wont, i just dont want to rate my own movie). man this has all turned out to be a mess of misunderstandings by everyone. i kind of want to forget about this and just move on to something else.
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thats really whats supposed to happen. You make a movie get it out and move on. Although I know it wasnt on purpose this whole argument thing seams to have helped you in the terms of attention given to this film (Some of the ones submitted at the same time have bairly gotten any downloads at all). I dont suggest others try to use that but it did seam to work here. Again though I know it wasnt by design
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hehe you can say that again. I am happy that the movie was downloaded this many times, and like I have said before, we may have some bad scores (but still some really good ones), im still stoked that so many people have seen it
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Sorry, Waser. I was commenting more on what oooba had been saying.

One of the reasons it isn't a good idea to rate your own movie a five is that the ratings generally include both quality and how much you liked it. Sure, you may think it's funny (and you obviously should!), but giving a one day stupid/comedy movie the same rating as a 6 month monster project (like DXM) doesn't really seem right. Besides this, you shouldn't rate your movie at all on how much you liked it, because then everyone would give their own movies a 5. When you do this, base your rating on the quality of the movie instead.

Please not these aren't personal attacks, I'm just trying to give the four of you some general advice. smile
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yeah, i definetley see what you are saying, but when i rate a movie i try not to base it on other movies, i base it on how entertained i was. but when i would give my movie a 5 i dont think it is up to par with movies like DXM, but was still entertained by it.
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Lloyd66 wrote:

Sorry, Waser. I was commenting more on what oooba had been saying.

One of the reasons it isn't a good idea to rate your own movie a five is that the ratings generally include both quality and how much you liked it. Sure, you may think it's funny (and you obviously should!), but giving a one day stupid/comedy movie the same rating as a 6 month monster project (like DXM) doesn't really seem right. Besides this, you shouldn't rate your movie at all on how much you liked it, because then everyone would give their own movies a 5. When you do this, base your rating on the quality of the movie instead.

Please not these aren't personal attacks, I'm just trying to give the four of you some general advice. smile
I don't care if you don't mean this as a personal attack, this reasoning is just stupid. First of all, this was not a "one day stupid movie" We spent about 4/5 days minimum filming, a good 2/3 full days (meaning entire days, not just a couple hours) editing. It's not something people just film and submit very fast like Kung Fool.

I did acknowledge that justinsane might have thought it wasn't funny, but he never mentioned anything about anything being funny. Usually if you watch a comedy and don't like it, you will say "it wasn't funny."

Giving ourselves a 5 is completely irrelevant to how others should rate our film. Even if we are complete self-centered assholes, why should that affect the way you viewed the film? We didn't act like ourselves in the film. You can't say not to rate it a 5 because we didn't spend months on it, when at the same time there are test clips that are rated 5's.

There really need to be different categories for each genre of movies, and also one for test clips. If Zombie Knife Test has 5's, we deserve above 5's. Again that's my opinion, but I am basing it off of what YOU said.
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I had a hard time deciding whether this rated three or four. Really - I had a hard time deciding whether it rated 3.49 or 3.51.

With some consideration, what pushed it to 3.49 was mouse-finger-fatigue. I'd have liked to see (hear) some normalization on the audio. I was having to rack the volume up to max for the "dialog" and down to 2 for effects and music.

On my monitor, video was pretty washed and dark. On the other side, it had quite the 70's crappy action movie feel to the video. So I gave that a wash.

Clearly a lot of work went into it. A zero is obviously a wild-hair up someone's butt. Anything between 2 and 4 is probably justified, IMHO. Techically, probably a 2. Conceptually (and for effort), probably a 4. There were some amusing moments pushed it higher. Some snoring pushed it down.

So I'm just going to drop in the middle.

If I were talking to friends, I'd say "Worth seeing? Yes. Worth going to see? No.

If it were a trailer in the theater, I'd have to yell "RENTAL!" on the fade to black... wink

There - my worthless, but honest, opinion.
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I also need to say that the fact that you called this movie a "one day stupid movie" proves that the entire purpose of our movie flew completely over your head.
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LOL! Both of you rated Kung Fool III with 4-stars...

Don't say you can't give us a good rating because it was a one day movie...

and the fabulous over-acting comment on Kung Fool III was just... just... wrong. There was always a high pitched noise from the mic they used to dub over everything, and I can't remember anything exciting that happened because most of the jokes were supposedly in the dialogue, which I couldn't even comprehend with their "funny" Strong-Bad-esque voices.

I can't believe this. I'm just going to leave this place before the people here drive me insane.
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movies should be rated on whether or not they reached there goal not on whether or not someone else made a better one (Lloyd66) I know that's probably not what you meant but it sounded that way.

Anyway lets all move on to the next movie, "kill Himself" is a good one CHECK IT OUT biggrin
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BaneyBoy wrote:

There really need to be different categories for each genre of movies, and also one for test clips. If Zombie Knife Test has 5's, we deserve above 5's. Again that's my opinion, but I am basing it off of what YOU said.
I agree 100% with you on that. But let me clarify a few of the things I said.

Low ratings are very rarely used by people to offset high ratings, just in the rare case when a person gives their own movie (that clearly doesn't deserve a five) just that, and it ends up on the top of the charts. No, what you rate on your own movie should not affect how other users rate it.

When I said "a one day stupid/comedy movie", note the slash between stupid and comedy. I wasn't calling your movie stupid, I was including that in the genre (cause that's what you call it yourselves). And I assumed you filmed it all in one day, although I was wrong, and you put more thought and time into it than I had previously thought. Oh, and Kung Fool was not made and submitted very fast, either.

I didn't mean that your movie deserves a low rating because you did it in a week or two, but I was trying to make the point that the quality and effort of the movie has just as much (or more) to do with your rating than how much you liked the movie. For example, I thought DXM was actually pretty lame. But since it was so well done, I gave it a 4. Likewise, I thought your movie was relatively funny, but it was not as well done, so I gave it a 2. Might have even given it a three with no F-Bomb.
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Lloyd66 wrote:

BaneyBoy wrote:

There really need to be different categories for each genre of movies, and also one for test clips. If Zombie Knife Test has 5's, we deserve above 5's. Again that's my opinion, but I am basing it off of what YOU said.
When I said "a one day stupid/comedy movie", note the slash between stupid and comedy. I wasn't calling your movie stupid, I was including that in the genre (cause that's what you call it yourselves). And I assumed you filmed it all in one day, although I was wrong, and you put more thought and time into it than I had previously thought. Oh, and Kung Fool was not made and submitted very fast, either.

I must have missed where we called it a one day stupid/comedy movie, because this whole time I have been trying to explain to people it is not that. We did not just go up there and act stupid. We had jokes and purposes to scenes. The scenes that seemingly had no purpose were mocking action movies where similar scenes are included with no purpose, therefore giving our scene a purpose. We put forth a good deal of effort in making and editing the movie. I agree the house explosion could have looked better, but I have seen much, much, much, much, much worse edited parts in movies that are given more praise.
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Now don't misinterpret my last post and think this was a serious dramatic action movie, it's not a serious action movie. But it's not a goof off movie where we meant to go up and make stupid voices for our main joke.
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I know, I meant stupid sort of as a compliment, like you were being stupid in your parodies, but I could definitely tell you weren't just 4 kids goofing off in front of the camera. And I guess I skimmed over the part where you explained that it was planned out, but that was my mistake.
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hehe once again weve been misunderstood sad . but yeah, this movie did take some sort of planing (though all dialogue was pretty much improvised), and did take about a week to shoot.
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The dialogue during scenes with lots of it was thought of pretty much before we shot it, but some dialogue was planned, like the being set up part and the F-Bomb part.

The F-Bomb part may have offended people, but it was funny when you take into consideration the "badass" character in every action movie.

After we filmed that scene, I thought it would have worked better to say "I'll see you in hell!" but we never really got around to re-filming it.
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heheh yeah actaully the dialogue in the "F-Bomb" scene was dialogue between me and baney really late one night when we were just joking around
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>> LOL! Both of you rated Kung Fool III with 4-stars...

I suppose you're referring to my review within that "both of you" - and yes, I did.

To be brutally honest:

KF-III was significantly more amusing to me. In a month, I'll remember it where yours will be long since forgotten (assuming the thread ever dies)

I laughed aloud to KF-III. I smirked once or twice with your filmlette.

KF-III could have been a five star contender - but as you observe, there were technical problems. They got the 4.2 for the technical issues. Call it a 2.75 technically and a 4.75 for delivery.

Sorry - but it was just simply a better film, IMHO.

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You know, this is a very unique sorta system, getting to engage your reviewer and argue with them.

In the real world, you'd have screened your film and read the reviewers thoughts in a day or two in the paper. Then you would have kissed their a$$ for even the slightest possible compliment out of fear they'd have put you into the unemployment line with your next film. Then you would have beaten the heck out of your manager for putting you in that position in the first place. Assuming you were good enough that your manager didn't use that same word others seem to be touchy about whilst explaining what biologically unlikely act you should commit with yourself...

This format has a fascinating pretense, though, huh?
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while i disagree with you on KF being more funny, I am just glad that you are rating this as a comedy, and also glad you gave it a rating over the average. I'm happy with your review and score.

btw im not just kissing your ass as you said people in real life would

also, i think that stuff you said about us in what we would do in "the real world" is pretty insulting, but whatever that is what you think about us, and I like this system, because filmmakers get to directly speak to the audience

ugh im just rambling now, this is such a mess
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>> also, i think that stuff you said about us in what we would do in "the real world" is pretty insulting,

You and the billion other people waiting tables. wink

It's not meant to be insulting, rather "practical".

It's an ugly industry.
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To be honest, I can't even remember what I liked about Kung Fool today and I just watched it yesterday.

I will watch it again and give it my review in this thread, because it is unlikely that this will carry over to their thread.

The same music is used that is used in many other AlamDV movies... gives a boring, redundant feel right off the start.

I don't think the falling rock was worth putting in there, even though it supplies their best joke of the film. It is funny that the protagonist magically stays alive, referring to the fact that he is basically invincible because it is a movie. The rock is just so fake that it is beyond parody. The rock doesn't make sense, and the fact that it doesn't make sense is a dumb joke, not a clever joke referring to actual kung fu action movies.

The mailbox shot is actually a good shot.

The dubbed over voice reading the letter: too Strong-Bad-esque. People think Strong Bad is funny because he acts stupid, which is what we were criticized over when we didn't even have that intention.

The flashback scene had some potential, but was too predictable for this movie. The song in the background is a love song, when it is him and his brother... i get it, it implies homosexuality... HAH. neutral

The flashback that he doesn't remember... maybe a smirk, but he's still running on the Strong Bad acting stupid joke.

The father gets knocked off the porch. I didn't think that was funny.

He meets his enemy, who is quite the fabulous "over-actor;" actually he is holding himself back from laughing while saying his lines.

The dubbed voices during the fight are just dumb jokes.

It is almost slightly funny how far he rolls away, but is killed by the voice and the bad transitions from slow motion to fast motion.

He teleports or something, which just doesn't make sense. I've never seen that happen before like that in a kung fu movie.

More dialogue on the verge of laughing ensues. The enemy steps on his foot, a Monty Python-like move. Also doesn't really mock action movies, just another dumb joke.

The 1 day, 3 hours, 17 minutes, and 4 seconds later clip is really not funny to me. I think I did things like that when writing comedy stories in fourth grade, but it just doesn't seem funny any more.

The father comes back and runs into his hand... nothing to do with anything dumb humor.

I actually thought the zooming in and out of the camera was funny, but could have been funnier if after they zoomed in on his shoe the enemy still said "yyes!" instead of "wha?!"

The explosion where they jump into each other doesn't look very good and has a horrid sound effect.

I don't know if that next thing is supposed to be a fire or a crown, or maybe somethign else.

Credits roll.. it shows people roasting hot dogs i think or marshmallows on the yellow body that I now think is actually a fire.
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Oh yeah and the second part of what you said had no point to it because we would never show Bad Action Movie to a Hollywood producer. They wouldn't accept it because it would help people realize how dumb and repetetive Hollywood action movies are.

Now, don't claim "if you wouldn't give your movie to a Hollywood producer, then we shouldn't rate it well" because that's not what any of the movies on this site are about.
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BaneyBoy, with all due respect you might want to quit while your ahead and take a similar stance to that of waser on this. And KimPossible that WAS pretty offensive and uncalled for since neither you or me even know these people.
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Rating: -2

I'll take one last thing to say to KimPossible while I'm still ahead:

The particle plugins people are so impressive that in the real world they could land you a job cleaning the elephant cage at your local zoo.

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Rating: -1

Oh no! Someone gave me a bad poster rating! This'll sure teach me not to stick up for myself anymore!
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BaneyBoy wrote:

I'll take one last thing to say to KimPossible while I'm still ahead:

Your particle plugins are so impressive that in the real world they could land you a job cleaning the elephant cage at your local zoo.
Barney, dont post if your gonna be stupid. Stop posting because all your doing is corrupting the forum.

*Shakes his head
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I wasn't being stupid, but rather, "practical."

Brettsta, bringer of justice, why aren't there any negative marks on KimPossible's posts flaming us and saying we'd never make it anywhere with film, and saying we'll end up "waiting tables?"
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well baneyboy your not "ahead" anymore but Brettsta, was that really the smartest thing to do? you kinda jumped into an argument and took sides, egging it on thinking that would stop it.
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Actually - the down-rating wasn't from me. You're welcome to your opinion.

If you'd like proof it wasn't me - I'll go rate it down for you. It was pretty obnoxious after a generous review...

[edited to add:]

For those that missed the subtlety, the statement: "You and the billion other people waiting tables. " was intended as a prod at the industry in general, not at any single person. As I felt my post made clear.
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I know it wasn't you; it was Brettsta.

Generous review? Waser said he felt insulted and you said "so do the other billions of people waiting tables."

Yeah, that was pretty generous neutral

All right, I changed my cage cleaner statement so that it was more general. After all, the 3d effects industry is a tough industry, and I'm sure everyone who can't make good 3d effects has to commence with their "plan B," which is: getting the job of the cage cleaner at the zoo.
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[quote="Lloyd66"] It also could have been to offset the 5's you gave yourselves (this is something you should never do unless it's really, really good).

I gave ourselves a 5 because the first rating we got seemed really unfair. I figured if people saw that this movie had a 0 average they wouldn't even bother downloading it. Giving it a 5 was just something to do to counter that goose egg... You see where I'm coming from?
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I see. Youre coming from a bad standpoint. Dont rate your movie high because someone rated it bad. Its called vote rigging and I thought it was stopped, but I guess I was wrong.
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oops sorry that last post was made by me, didn't realize i hadn't logged on
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Well then Kaz might as well go around and vote everyone's movie a 0 for the wrong reason.

If the first review of a movie you see says it's horrible, it's not likely you're going to give it much better.

Whatever, I'll just make sure to rate callum_slade a 0 immediately when his first movie comes out.
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BaneyBoy you are kinda giving your team mates bad rep. You may be creating bias against anything Kaz Gamble or waser or ooba try to put out in the future!
For others like Brettsta and KimPossible. Once this forum ends lets forget it ever happened and give them all a second chance.
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No, your not using the system right. Personnally, I think every vote you make should be void. Its not how it works! Votes are someones opinion and everyone has differnt ones. This site isnt about getting back at somebody. Vote on an honest opinion. If the first review is horrible, youll watch it for yourself. That shouldnt affect you voting. I think you too upset from the ratings, so sorry confused .. Mayeb youll feel better in the morning. I think Tarn or Malone should step in and say something about Barneys comments.
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Ohh I see here comes the guilt trip. Except for the few people who have been involved with this thread, people probably won't even associate me with waser2 or Kaz Gamble. Ooba really doesn't care at all, I can guarantee you that.

Why am I getting a bad rep? Because I am able to argue against hypocrisy?
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"No, your not using the system right. Personnally, I think every vote you make should be void. Its not how it works! Votes are someones opinion and everyone has differnt ones. This site isnt about getting back at somebody. Vote on an honest opinion. If the first review is horrible, youll watch it for yourself. That shouldnt affect you voting."

I know that's not how the system "works"; that's why I said it. The voting system here really sucks. Nobody knows what they're voting on, whether it's in comparison with other movies or just how well the movie did what it tried to do. Most movies can't be directly compared with another movie like that, which is my point in this post.

You can say it's not how the system "works," but the system really DOESN'T WORK!
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ok then everybody if what BaneyBoy says is true and no one will associate Cabinet Squirrell studios with Baney. Then can I see a show of hands ( a pledge if you will) from everyone that will seperate BaneyBoy from said studios?

Ill go first: I will not hold baney's post against any other member of his team or the team its self
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nah, you dont need to do that. baney is a part of cabinet squirrel and we are a team, and i dont want people breaking up our team, so this isnt necissary (spelled that wrong)
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alright then I recall that outa respect for waser.
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I think baney had a point in his last post. Ive seen lots of people comparing movies on other posts and thats not the way it works
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It works right Barney. Just because people dont like your movie, it doesnt mean that its not right. It means you're upset. It ruins the system by doing what y ou said. The system is fine! Guess its you confused

*Stirs the pot twisted
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Ohhh, so the system really did work all along, and that post I saw you make in the thread for Kill Himself was just a figament of my imagination. Other people gave his movie a 5 too, which you seemed to strongly disagree with, because you said other movies were better than it. Now, Frozenpede says that is not how it works, and you say that is how it works.

I just say "it doesn't work."
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I think the system is fine but people nead to pu thing in better perspective when voting and consider the level of the movie, the type of movie, and if its appropriate
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Im not saying you should compare your work to others. Not at all. But you should give a fair rating. A 30 test clip which wasnt even that cool doesnt deserve a 5. I was just trying to put out that a hard worked on movie deserves a 5. That had much error and he shouldnt get leeway just because its a first film.

Oh, and this was about Kill Himself

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WORD, I think I speak for all of Cabinet Squirrel when I say it's cool people don't like our movie and that we will take advice from these posts to improve our film making. I think I now understand what people are looking for in a movie so we will try to fulfill these in our next film

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>>>
Brettsta, bringer of justice, why aren't there any negative marks on KimPossible's posts flaming us and saying we'd never make it anywhere with film, and saying we'll end up "waiting tables?"
<<<

First of all: Please quote exactly where I wrote that.

Secondly - I really don't see where I "flamed" you. I think prehaps you need to grow up a tad.

One final shot at clarification: I was suggesting that anyone in the arts who ripped into reviewers wouldn't be in the arts very long. Theatrical, Performing, Exhibition, whatever. The industry as a whole has to kiss the @$$ of reviewers. Otherwise they pan you so hard for all time that the House can't possible cover their expenses and, ergo, doesn't hire you.

"Waiting tables" refers to the stereotype of the failed within the industry and or up-and-comer that hasn't [yet] kissed proper @$$. It is an industry-wide stereotype.

Would you have preferred reference to the "Casting Couch"? That would have really ticked you off, no?

It was simply an observation of why this methodology wouldn't fly. The Mythos constructed now makes more sense to me, in fact.

And I think I'm pretty well done with this topic. If you don't "get it", with regard to my post, yet, I really don't believe you're going to.

--------

From my POV, I'll specifically watch another of your works in the hopes that what you've gleaned from this project will show in the next. And I'll rate it as/per my enjoyment and my own opinion of the technical quality. With the balance tilting, as always, towards my enjoyment of the movie rather than technicals. The only time I let technicals influence me is when they interfere with my immersion in the film.

[edited to remove some flaming]

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Brettsta wrote:

It works right Barney. Just because people dont like your movie, it doesnt mean that its not right. It means you're upset. It ruins the system by doing what y ou said. The system is fine! Guess its you confused

*Stirs the pot twisted
Oh yeah, I guess it's only my movie that people don't like. None of your movies did any better, and in fact 2 of them did quite a bit worse.

And oh yes, the system DOES work!

*Stirs the pot* twisted
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Muhahaha, my movies are tests. I did them the first few days I got AlamDV to experiment, so, proves you wrong. But your right that the system does work. My clips are pretty bad. I even laugh looking back on em. hehehehhee muahaha twisted Hmm Baney you voted my movies a 0. Every one of them. Thats not right. YOu didnt even have time to watch them! I want Tarn and Malone to help protect the system.

All 3 votes at 3:50 GMT.... Same Exact TIME
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>> Now, Frozenpede says that is not how it works, and you say that is how it works.

It seems to me that movies are always compared to one another. By reviewers, AND actors/directors/producers/houses/ad agencies.

How many times have you seen: "The greatest film since ______" "A theatrical blockbuster topping even _____" "This film reminded me at times of ________"

I can't imagine NOT comparing one film within a genre to another. That strikes me as that whole "touchy feelie" "No Lables" thing. Which, by my interpretation, means we need to junk all attempt at language and/or communication.

One thing is always in reference to something else. It's how the brain works. "So and So is taller than thatotherguy" - isn't that the same thing?
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KimPossible wrote:

>>>
Brettsta, bringer of justice, why aren't there any negative marks on KimPossible's posts flaming us and saying we'd never make it anywhere with film, and saying we'll end up "waiting tables?"
<<<

One final shot at clarification: I was suggesting that anyone in the arts who ripped into reviewers wouldn't be in the arts very long. Theatrical, Performing, Exhibition, whatever. The industry as a whole has to kiss the @$$ of reviewers. Otherwise they pan you so hard for all time that the House can't possible cover their expenses and, ergo, doesn't hire you.
This is fxhome.com, not "real life." I don't have to care about the reviewers, if I think some of them are so hypocritical with their criticism. The internet isn't a place where you go to act mature and civilized; anyone as wise and almighty as you would have learned that by now through years and years of experience.

If you are trying to get somewhere in the arts, and fxhome.com is as far as you can come, where you feel wise for calling 16 year olds insecure (which of course no teenagers are) [sarcasm for the dumb people], then good luck with "the arts."
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I know where your coming from Kim, so I guess your right.

BTW, I turned on my TV and a cartoon called Kim Possible came on!
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Brettsta, I did that in hopes you'd notice how well the system works.
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i think what baney means is you cant compare something like kill himslef to DXM. one is a test and one is a movie. as a test, kill himself got 5 stars from baney because he thought it was a good test. just what i think
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both sides have been out of line here a lot and you just keep at it, why, what has it gained you Brettsta, KimPossible, Baneyboy?

I think this has opened up a new issue though and you can see this moving into Kill HInself. Its an issue that will have to be addressed and something done, like maybe a list of what to look for or something on the page that you vote on
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"How many times have you seen: "The greatest film since ______" "A theatrical blockbuster topping even _____" "This film reminded me at times of ________"

I can't imagine NOT comparing one film within a genre to another. That strikes me as that whole "touchy feelie" "No Lables" thing. Which, by my interpretation, means we need to junk all attempt at language and/or communication."

You proved my point. I said there needs to be a genre system. So in all that work it took to try to prove me wrong, you ended up proving me right. There is no genre system here. You have to compare a test to a drama and a drama to a comedy. It doesn't work.
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But it shouldnt. It should be rated on the same scale as a movie. ITs how it works on FXHome. Theyd be a seperate section in the cinema for tests if it was rated on a test scale. This might actually be a good idea. There caould be a top ten tests chart.. Just a thought and a way to get test votes like that valid.
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Brettsta wrote:

But it shouldnt. It should be rated on the same scale as a movie. ITs how it works on FXHome. Theyd be a seperate section in the cinema for tests if it was rated on a test scale. This might actually be a good idea. There caould be a top ten tests chart.. Just a thought and a way to get test votes like that valid.
You mean it's how it doesn't work on FXHome
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BaneyBoy wrote:

You proved my point. I said there needs to be a genre system. So in all that work it took to try to prove me wrong, you ended up proving me right. There is no genre system here. You have to compare a test to a drama and a drama to a comedy. It doesn't work.
I dont think there should be a seprrate setting. Is best movie of the year divided by genre.. No! Its just by what was the best. Enough said.
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BaneyBoy wrote:

Brettsta wrote:

But it shouldnt. It should be rated on the same scale as a movie. ITs how it works on FXHome. Theyd be a seperate section in the cinema for tests if it was rated on a test scale. This might actually be a good idea. There caould be a top ten tests chart.. Just a thought and a way to get test votes like that valid.
You mean it's how it doesn't work on FXHome
eh, no i dont! unsure
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Rating: +2

Okay, I've been skimming over this for a while, and I have to say that you're getting nowhere by arguing over this stuff forever. Just move on and make your next movie, guys, and then hopefully we'll have the rating system figured out by then. confused
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I can agree with that, Waser. I guess I'd class "different genre". I'd be hard pressed to compare, say, Chocolat' and Die Hard, other than to say I enjoyed both and both had few moments where I was unable to immerse.

---

I'm here on FXHome's board because of the "grass roots" feel to the software and community. For the same reason I'm on Serious Magic's board - a lot of software and a lot of community for very little money.

But if it makes you feel better, you can come say 'hi' on Leitch, Avid and Discreet's boards too. They're a bit touchier about flame wars - hence the "community feel" I was referring to.
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Lloyd66 wrote:

Okay, I've been skimming over this for a while, and I have to say that you're getting nowhere by arguing over this stuff forever. Just move on and make your next movie, guys, and then hopefully we'll have the rating system figured out by then. confused
Well said. +1
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>> You have to compare a test to a drama and a drama to a comedy.

I respectfully disagree. I don't see the requirement to compare a drama to a comedy.

If you open the newspaper right now and look at the reviews, I doubt you're likely to see the reviews divided up by genre.

Rather it's the job of the reviewer to pick the genre AND the reference point.
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well ive seen news papers do that actually, and the golden globes do the same thing
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Vote on what you think of something, not wahat it is, like a test or action movie.
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I'm sure some do.

www.movies.com/reviews , for example, has:

Brother Bear
The Butterfly Effect
Calendar Girls

So rather than Genre, it's in Alpha order... I picked those three, 'cause I can't imagine three movies further adrift in topic. wink

Here's one of the most famous reviewers. I'm not saying I even marginally agree with him most of the time, but he's a household name in that arena.

EBERT AND ROEPER'S TOP TEN OF 2003
EBERT

1. "Monster"
2. "Lost in Translation"

3. "American Splendor"

4. "Finding Nemo"

5. "Master and Commander:
The Far Side of the World"

6. "Mystic River"

7. "Owning Mahowny"

8. "The Son (Le Fils)"

9. "Whale Rider"

10. "In America"

ROEPER

1. "In America"
2. "Mystic River"

3. "Lost in Translation"

4. "21 Grams"

5. "Elephant"


6. "The Barbarian Invasions"

7. "The Station Agent"

8. "Whale Rider"

9. "Monster"

10. "Seabiscuit"

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this is not about your particular interest! If someone dosnt like drama's and then watches one and gives it a low grade because they thought it was boring it would be the dumbest thing I had ever seen! vote on whether or not THEY reached THEIR goals and if they did a good job editing, not on what YOU thought of the movie.
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well im just saying that the golden globes catgorize like "best actor in a comedy TV series, best actor in a dram movie" Or best comedy series of the year, and best drama movie of the year

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If someone reached the goal of making a bad movie, would you rate a 5? Something to think about...
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yes of course! if they meant to make a bad movie then they get a 5. If they meant to make a good movie they get a 0
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>> vote on whether or not THEY reached THEIR goals and if they did a good job editing, not on what YOU thought of the movie.


I have trouble with that. Movies aren't, to my mind, about "a good job editing" - if the technicals come together than they're invisible, right? If they don't, it stands out like a sore thumb.

Rather, I'd suggest if you don't like drama, don't review drama.

I don't think it's in human nature, generally, to be able to separate ones self so "anti-emotionally" from something that speaks as deeply to the psyche as Music, Art and Movies.
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My point was just proved!! Thats throwing off the system. Anyone agree??
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in this case it is called BAD action movie, so they accomplished their goal.
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>>> well im just saying that the golden globes catgorize like "best actor in a comedy TV series, best actor in a dram movie" Or best comedy series of the year, and best drama movie of the year<<<

Agreed. But that's awards, not reviews, right? And remember they have to cover hundreds of movies.

If someone asked you to name your top ten favorite movies - would they all be in one genre? (Maybe they would - and I'll just go crawl under my desk now) wink
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I wasnt actually talking about this movie. And I didnt mean a parody, just a plain sucky movie that they planned to make. Mayeb take there camera, throw it around and scream. If they set out to do this, that makes it good?!?!?!?!?

And I agree with you kim on your commenrt.

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id have to disagree with that frozen, because I could set out to make "the longest running movie that shows my ass" and film a 14 hour movie with my ass and thats it, and i could reach that goal, and you should vote on what you think of the movie. but then again some sick freak could really think that was the best movie ever.

anyway, that is a bad example though, because there is no movie with only one ass caegory, but the people voting on my movie would probably rate it well, because they are the kind of people who like to look at an overweight 16 year old's ass for 14 hours. so it would deserve a good review. i think i have really confused myself. anyway, im just dont think you should rate a test comparing it to really good movies, but then again tests shouldnt be on the film list, so I think there should be a list for movies, and people should just not post tests as movies, just like on the boards, like jessy does.

i have a feeling i just said something really stupid
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No I think to do the opposite throws off the system. You have to be objective not personal if your RATING a movie, if your going just for fun then throw everything I just said to the wind
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Brettsta, I think you and I are going at pretty much the same place in different directions. smile
We seem to be crossing posts. wink
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Thats a great example Waser. Im seriousm, better than mine. Ive posted many tests on the forums. I think its the way to go. My other tests are not only just testing something, so I put it in the Cinema. Did you see my tests? My head chop off, my flick, my other Chomanator stuff...
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KimPossible wrote:

Brettsta, I think you and I are going at pretty much the same place in different directions. smile
We seem to be crossing posts. wink
Hah
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again if you want to be entertained then forget everything I said but when rating look at WHY they made the film in the first place
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Rating is an opinion, what you think. Not how good they did what they set out to do. Would you rate Waser's example a 5. I sure hope not, although he set out to accomplish it (figuratively wink )
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well if there was a category that was "Movies Where The Only Thing You See Is An Ass" then by all means my movie should get a 4 or a 5

But here I think we should either have something for Movies and Tests, or people should just not submit their tests as movies, because I agree, there is something wrong with trailers and tests (toy wars, and matrix shot, though they are cool) rubbing shoulders with DXM, art of the saber, or even Bad Action Movie
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holy crap! its 12:30 on the east coast and we been at this for hours! haha in a year when someone stumbles across this they are going to think "what the HELL was wrong with them!?" lol. However like kimmy said dont watch a movie you wont like which goes right back to this. What if someone who likes this kind of movie sees the rating (2.7 right now) and gets the idea its a bad movie? then he will have been influenced by something that has nothing to do with the movie but someones oppion.
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Ok, I just went to the Washington Post's movie reviews. Personally - I don't care much for it as a paper or for their staff reviewers. But I hope we can agree they set the bar for movie reviews in the US atleast...

Now, have a look at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61980-2004Jan29.html

"'Big Bounce': More Like a Dull Thud"

I don't see any place there where they talk about editing prowress.

They do mention that the movie didn't acheive its goal, more or less, but not due editing.

It starts off:

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"Owen Wilson has his own peculiar charisma. He comes on like a SoCal stoner, but he's wired for East Coast irony. There's a charming alertness in there somewhere. And you can't help liking a Hollywood actor who refuses to fix a nose that seems to have been hammered repeatedly with a nine-iron.
Unfortunately, he's the only thing remotely worth watching in "The Big Bounce," a labored knockoff of the Elmore Leonard novel. Directed by George Armitage, it's an insipid potboiler set against the far more enticing surf and sand of Oahu's North Shore. When you make a mediocre movie in Hawaii, you run the danger of your story being overshadowed by the beautiful scenery. This movie is lost seconds after the credits. "


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Now that's harsh... And it just gets worse.
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Waser wrote:

well if there was a category that was "Movies Where The Only Thing You See Is An Ass" then by all means my movie should get a 4 or a 5
Unless you have a really disgusting ass.
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Frozenpede wrote:

holy crap! its 12:30 on the east coast and we been at this for hours! haha in a year when someone stumbles across this they are going to think "what the HELL was wrong with them!?" lol. However like kimmy said dont watch a movie you wont like which goes right back to this. What if someone who likes this kind of movie sees the rating (2.7 right now) and gets the idea its a bad movie? then he will have been influenced by something that has nothing to do with the movie but someones oppion.
Its 11:44 in my east coast lol

Aculag wrote:

Waser wrote:

well if there was a category that was "Movies Where The Only Thing You See Is An Ass" then by all means my movie should get a 4 or a 5
Unless you have a really disgusting ass.
This is all getting pretty humorous... And a little disgusting wink

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alright, there is a category then "A Film Where All You See is an Overweight 16 Year Old's Ass For Hours". Then id get 5 stars easy
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Exactly!!!!!
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haha I just rechecked. Your right, I must be tired. Well maybe we should continue this tomarrow after some others have a chance to see this (Tarn, b4usaskim30 and others in England)
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>> again if you want to be entertained then forget everything I said

I'll sorta agree with your Frozen...

But with the caveat that any movie not meant to entertain, in some fashion, would be reasonably pointless, no?

Waser's barebutt could be entertaining on any number of possible avenues.

Shock value, self aggrandizement, low sense of self (on the opposite) as a vehicle, it may be tittilating, or may just strike fear into the hearts of mortal man. Regardless - you may well be entertained. razz

I lost myself in that last one there somewhere. Hang on while I go find my brain. I think it took the puppy for a walk whilst I was looking at the Washington Post. wink
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Theyre gonna come on the stie tomrorow and be like whaa. So much happened just during the night hah... They missed it. sad

I am most curious on Tarns and Malones opinion on this because they control the movies and the site.
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Exactly!!!!!
??? im not sure what you mean with this exclamation

by the way, i can wait to see what all the euoropeans think of this tomorrow.

"I hate americans" hehehe

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A combo of me agreeing and me being tired wink
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No Asses were Harmed in the Making of this Discussion.
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KimPossible wrote:

No Asses were Harmed in the Making of this Discussion.
heh, in big bold letters write DISCLAMER heh
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Im glad that this thread took an unexpected lighthearted turn
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Yup. This thread is really something to look at and laugh about..

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haha well put Brettsta!

Kimy- I usually have a hard time not paying attention to how they did this that or the other thing while Im watching a movie so the actual "entertainment part dosnt bother me.
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where did baney go?
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Waser -

How about this for a sequel to your current movie:

Wrap your butt in Nomex, shoot it as a background with the text from this thread scrolling over it, then add a flame thrower flaming your Nomex Clad Butt.

Subtle in its own right, but a serious statement... "Flame all you like, my ass is flameproof"

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Or maybe not...
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Dont know. Prob sleeping or wathcing this thread go on and laughing. I wanna go to sleep. I have volleyball tomorrow so Ill be home like 5:30 est and see how much this has built. I won my first game today! Im a setter! Maybe 7:30ish in the moring Ill be on. Anyway, bye for now, unless I get hookied into writing mroe.
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Grats, Brett! Have a good game!
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I posted a similar post to this in the Filmaker's Forum to try to get the attention of Tarn and company so we can hear his long awaited opinion (although with how hot this has gotten I would be surprised if it ended right away)
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Thanks. Actually my next games friday, but practice tomorrow. Wait, why am I posting. NEED SLEEP wink
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I have to get up early for homework I slacked of on sad ill check tomarrow
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i have school at 9 ! ill be up for hours! YEAAAA!
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I have school at 8 (ahh im still at it)
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What the-- There's a MOVIE in this thread?!
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man I keep telling myself 'stop go to bed" but its not working! do you live one the east coast waser? or is that why your still up?
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Hah!
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woah, i forgot about bad action movie. uhhh, so what do you guys think of it.

just kidding smile
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This debate thing is ghetting this movie mad publicity, if that makes sense...
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well.....lol ( oh gosh now we've gotten to that mindless babling, bad joke telling stage! sorry to whoever reads this entirly awake!)
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A good 8hrs before I'll be able to go to bed
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i agree. oh now Tarn and others aint going to be able to even find the debate! ok for anyone who is reading this tomarow, this is at the end of a heated debate so that explains or craziness ( I think) lus its late
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PLUS i will make a movie that stars my ass and my ass alone
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really? where are you kim?
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Pleeeaaase dont! that will definetly test my objectiveness
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How often do they update the downloads/ratings?
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NICE JOB!!! I like how you mimicked my movie the FINAL ASSASIN. GREAT Stuff. The jump part made me laugh my ass off. When The guy copied the kiss and everything. Thanks for complimenting me by parodying my film.


PEACE OUT
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Sorry all - my boyfriend showed up and I had to get him on one of my editing machines - his mom is entering some junk she shot in some local indy thing [shaking head]

Now THERE's one that deserves a Zero (or lower) wink

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