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Posted: Thu, 5th Feb 2004, 4:18am

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there has been a lot of arguing on Bad Action Movie and now Kill HImself about the rating system and I think that this is an issue that is going to be addressed like it or not so we should just get over with it now.

In drama class we learned that when rating a movie you look at the creaters goal and whether or not they reached it (whether it be to make a cool test or to show some deep meaning). Second is how they did with editing, lighting and so forth. I think that a standard like this or something should be implied, and posted as "what to look for when rating" next to the movie itself. Just an idea any others?
Posted: Thu, 5th Feb 2004, 4:21am

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I think all the movies should be rated on the same scale. Tests shouldnt get better rating because it accomplished the test. I think thatll throw off the system. BaneyBoy would be throwing off teh system if his votes actually counted. he jsut votes for no reason. 0's here, 5's here. He does it just to spite people
Posted: Thu, 5th Feb 2004, 4:38am

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I think your right about baney but if you want to be entertained then forget what I said. However if you want to be objective and fair then you have to put personal interests aside.
Posted: Thu, 5th Feb 2004, 4:40am

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But would you give this a 5 because it set out and accomplished what it wanted...

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id have to disagree with that frozen, because I could set out to make "the longest running movie that shows my ass" and film a 14 hour movie with my ass and thats it, and i could reach that goal, and you should vote on what you think of the movie. but then again some sick freak could really think that was the best movie ever.

anyway, that is a bad example though, because there is no movie with only one ass caegory, but the people voting on my movie would probably rate it well, because they are the kind of people who like to look at an overweight 16 year old's ass for 14 hours. so it would deserve a good review. i think i have really confused myself. anyway, im just dont think you should rate a test comparing it to really good movies, but then again tests shouldnt be on the film list, so I think there should be a list for movies, and people should just not post tests as movies, just like on the boards, like jessy does.

i have a feeling i just said something really stupid
Posted: Thu, 5th Feb 2004, 4:41am

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Which is why people shouldn't vote zero's simply to improve their own status in the top ten. And why things like that are changed.
Posted: Thu, 5th Feb 2004, 4:43am

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Are you agreeing with me, I'm not sure heh. Its 11:44 and Im tired.

For those who dont know where this debate started check...

http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12235
Posted: Thu, 5th Feb 2004, 9:03pm

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Don't be basing your vote on the person rather than on the film...some people it seems like they vote a 0 say on one guys film because they got in an argument on the forum...vote on the film not necessarly the person themself.
Posted: Thu, 5th Feb 2004, 11:27pm

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BaneyBoy voted a 0 on all my "Movies" because we got into a debate...
Posted: Thu, 5th Feb 2004, 11:37pm

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Yeah but the funny thing is that I was proving a point by doing so and not just being childish.
Posted: Thu, 5th Feb 2004, 11:39pm

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How was that "proving a point." That is very childish. Who agrees?
Posted: Thu, 5th Feb 2004, 11:40pm

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i don't, not that im going to go out and give people I don't like a zero, I can see what baney is trying to say. he isn't doing it to get back at anyone, he is proving a point
Posted: Thu, 5th Feb 2004, 11:42pm

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He didnt like that we were in a debate, so at 3:50 GMT, rates my 3 "movie" thingys 0's. Thats not a point. Hes trying to destroy the system.

Rebel.

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Posted: Thu, 5th Feb 2004, 11:43pm

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id hardly say he is trying to destroy the system, that is like the time i yelled at my older brother and he told my parents I was trying to destroy him.
Posted: Thu, 5th Feb 2004, 11:44pm

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It is and I know the CSB guys can back me up with this one.
Posted: Fri, 6th Feb 2004, 1:08am

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well, i mean with all due respect to you, tarn, schwar, and any other CSB person, just because they "back you up" i honestly dont think he is trying to destroy the rating system, that is just rash. I know baney better than anyone else on this site, and I know what his intentions are, and they are to prove a point.
Posted: Fri, 6th Feb 2004, 1:56am

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Let's see. The argument was over whether the system works.

I watched your movies yesterday before the debate, and after the debate I decided to rate them based on how funny I thought they were. That's how the system works according to you. Rating movies in comparison with other movies. I thought my movie was funny, so if the standards here rate it a 2 then there has to be some really hilarious stuff on here. I didn't find yours as funny or 1/2 as funny as mine, so they got 0's. It's how the system works.
Posted: Fri, 6th Feb 2004, 2:00am

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Why were you rating them on a funny scale??? I never said to rate movies like that. What are youy saying. Was it a comedy? Not everything is and that wasnt. It wasnt meant to be funny, so once again, youre 100 percent wrong.

I didnt say compare movies with eachother. However entertained you are you vote. Not, oh I gave DXM a 5 so this movie is way lower than this. If that was the case, Bad Action Movie woulve been given a 0 by me. A 2 isnt a bad score. It is very fair. I dont know why you put peoples opiinions down and get frustrated when you get a bad score. People have opinions. If we all thought the same, this world would be so boring.

Stop screwing with the system. Your votes or anything doesnt count anyway so whatever. Your not proving a point. At all. Waser's defending you because he knows you. I can bet that other people besides my friends agree with me. Good try though at an excuse.


Whatever floats yer boat..
Posted: Fri, 6th Feb 2004, 2:14am

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"People have opinions. If we all thought the same, this world would be so boring."

I just happen to enjoy movies more when they are comedies. Exactly as you said, people have opintions. you said movies are rated in comparison with other movies. You can't say what I do or do not enjoy in a movie. So then how is the system working?
Posted: Fri, 6th Feb 2004, 2:21am

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I have to say, you've stumped me heh...


But I will return twisted
Posted: Fri, 6th Feb 2004, 2:37am

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If you want to get a nice fair rating from people who actualy know what theyre talking about enter a film compatition! You dont need to post these silly little topics if Tarn, Schwar, Timbuk2, or malone need to know anything about somone not following rules then tell them in the chat.

If someone rates your movie a 0 maybe it was theyre personal opinion that it "Sucked". Think about it maybe it wasnt just because you guys had a debate.

Something you should know is people here have the right to vote on theyre personal opinion if its a drama and they hate dramas they can rate it a 0. These people arent judges they dont have a system to judge your movie by so dont make a big deal about it! You want a honest fair rating enter a film festival.
Posted: Fri, 6th Feb 2004, 5:30am

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baneyboy, Brettsta. Its like Ive been saying, you have to be objective and rate as critic and not based on what you like. I dont like chick flicks but I have to say "While you were sleeping" is a good movie, not because I liked it ( I didnt) but because it did everything that type of movie should. It set out with the goal to make a movie about someone trying to fit in some where after her family is gone, and they did that, mission accomplished
Posted: Fri, 6th Feb 2004, 7:06am

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If you make a serious movie (as in actually put in thought in to the film by scipt writing, storyboarding, etc) this is the not to post it to recieve real critical reviews. The rating system here does not work. 15 second long tests of lightsabers gets as many stars as film festival quality shorts.

This site is not a site should not be taken too seriously because honestly this is more a club based around filmaking than a filmmaker's guild. This is a place where you go to have a good time and learn better ways to be a filmmaker. We are not all professionals, most of do this in a part time for fun. Others want to go in to filmmaking so this is there jumping off point.

So we all have something in common: We all love movies. Until an alternative rating system can be devised than we shouldn't worry about the stars and only on the constructive critism and the compliments from others.

When we submit work we all want one thing: Feedback. The new golden rule: Reviews other's films as you wish to be reviewed. If you would like to recieve comments that would improve your own film than I suggest you start giving out a few of your own tips. Let's stop with the whole "I'll give you 0 stars because you rated my movie down" and "your movie sucks." This is a fun place. Let's keep like that smile
Posted: Fri, 6th Feb 2004, 12:28pm

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Heres my input

If you dont like dramas, don vote on them

If you dont like action movies, dont vote on them

If you dont like comedies, dont vote on them

CASE CLOSED smile
Posted: Fri, 6th Feb 2004, 12:55pm

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You people make way too big a deal of the voting. If the movie is bad, its overall score will reflect it. Its as simple as that.

If a user submits a movie which is the cinematic embodiment of pure sh*t, but then rates themselves a 5...they'll appear at the top of the top10 for a while; true. This can't be avoided as such, but inevitably gets solved - As soon as everyone else watches the movie they'll think "HOLY F**K THIS IS DIRE!" and promptly rate it far lower.

Each movie's overall rating is only an average - if one person rates it a 0 because they are infantile, and another rates it a 5 because they are a moron, its practically irrelevant as the rest of the normal-people's votes will balance out the overall score.

Vote on any movie, however you like. Just make the vote honest. Whilst there will be a small percentage of peasants who rate films a 0 because they simply don't like someone in it (or an equally childish reason), the vast majority of people will be less stupid, and will balance the equation.

I'd have thought that it would be blindingly obvious, that rating a movie well is done by taking into account everything about it. Rating a movie solely based on its comedy content is - for example - obviously flawed when considering dramas, and as such brands the rater as a flagrant retard.

Don't be a pleb - theres more to life than this website, and way more to life than your insignificant movie. Don't squander your dignity yet further by lashing out at others - take the rating on the chin, and move on. You can't be all things to all men, can you?
Posted: Fri, 6th Feb 2004, 6:57pm

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well, probably the biggest thing about how many stars you get, is that once you are no longer new or on the cinema, its harder for people to find you and give feedback which is what this site is all about. Otherwise stars really dont do much
Posted: Sun, 8th Feb 2004, 9:12pm

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Excuse me - I'm here from outisde this argument.

To dredge up recent history I ended up giving someone a zero as a slap for vote-rigging (and they wouldn't have got a lot more anyway), but wouldn't dream of continually doing it. What point is being made by doing it again and again to someone?
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 3:08am

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BaneyBoy wrote:

"People have opinions. If we all thought the same, this world would be so boring."

I just happen to enjoy movies more when they are comedies. Exactly as you said, people have opintions. you said movies are rated in comparison with other movies. You can't say what I do or do not enjoy in a movie. So then how is the system working?
If the only movies you like are comedies, then don't base your vote on how funny a movie is if the director is trying to be serious. It just doe'snt make sense. THat's like saying Cassablanca or The Godfather were crappy movies because your judging them as comedies instead of for what they are, serious movies.
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 8:15am

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i agree with serpant