Star Wars: Order of the Sith
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 11:06am
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|A lone user of the Force is sent to an Imperial platform and attacked by multiple Darth Mauls and Darth Vader. And then lots of spaceships have a fight. Stuff blows up and a man with a beard burst a vein in anger....|Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 11:22am
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Not a lot wrong with this.
sound fx good, cgi good, acting was good.
bluescreening good ( better than what i can do )
the only let down was the fighting, it looked very staged and slow.
but still a worthy 5 from me.
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 4:46pm
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that was bloody excellent. It looked so real and everything was super. 5 starts from me and keep making movies!
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 4:54pm
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Great work guys, the only problem I could see was the same as b4uask.
You'll get 5 stars! Keep up the amazing work!
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 5:29pm
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The final cg clip looked amazing. Why didnt the rest of the cgi look up to par as that one. Not saying that it was bad but just not as good looking. Cool movie btw.
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 9:51pm
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Thanks everyone - I didnt expect to get off to such a good start! A question though, I see you've given ratings (and very good ones too thanks) but the movie is still 'unrated' in the listings. Do we need a certain amount of 'votes' before we climb the ranks or something?
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 10:09pm
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They dont tally the voted untill tomarow. in fact if you go to the homepage you'll see all the newest movies but the ones added on today arnt listed and wont be untill tomarow
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 10:25pm
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Thanks for that - I'll watch out for tomorrow then!!
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 2:46am
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From a movie standing, What you have created is excellent. However... I also feel that the fighting was last lustre, and the acting was not convincing. This wasn't too important however, as I don't believe you created this with seriousness in mind.
The 3d animation was alright, but there was nothing there that made me open my mouth wide in awe. Some of the physics were slightly off (how things moved) and the explosions could have been exxagerated slightly with closer shots. Still good stuff.
Ok, I'm a star wars fan. This obviously means I hate star wars fan films. And here's a few things in your movie that well, didn't glue.
-You can't force push/pull another force user with any ease. An aggressive Push is conteracted by a defensive Pull if that makes sense, such a force power is not usable against another force user.
-Since when did Force Hadoken exist?
-Darth Vader breathes while he talks, most impressive. (pun intended).
-Firstly what is Han Solo's ship doing on a rebel cruiser, and secondly why is a one man crew taking off in it? He'd have to run between the flightroom and the gun points.
Your movie still earns a worthy 4 from me, I enjoyed it. But it could be improved upon significantly, eyes on you to do that now
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Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 2:47am
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CX3 wrote:The final cg clip looked amazing. Why didnt the rest of the cgi look up to par as that one. Not saying that it was bad but just not as good looking. Cool movie btw.
Without sounding nasty. I'm SURE I've seen the last clip of the falcon before...
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 3:18am
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well my only reall complaint with this movie is choreography. They are not agressive enough and I saw hundreds of spots were either guy could have killed the other. This is probably the one thing that seperates the good Star Wars fan films from the bad. If your Jedi or Sith isnt as aggresive or feirce as they should be, the entire film is thrown off for me. I liked most of the rest though anyway so I gave you a 3 (my vote dosnt count in the top 10 anyway so dont worry)
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 4:04am
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Ok, well it was pretty good. I liked the overall look of it for some reason. The fight again, was weak, and I couldn't understand what people were saying some of the time, due to other sound effects. Also, is that CG stuff from a game?
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 10:17am
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Hi again - thanks for the further comments - I'll try and answer them for you!
First, the ship at the end is taken from Rogue Leader game for the GameCube - altered and edited. The rest of the ships were from X-Wing Alliance, all community made crafts (check out Darksabers X-Wing Station). I wrote a mission for the game, played it and filmed it all from different angles/perspectives etc to get the scenes.
1: agreed - but the Clone Maul's aren't necessarily Force Users: you only see them with sabers: all will be explained in the sequel..
2: Force Hadoken - again, see the sequel...(could be 12 months yet tho)
3: I'm sure I checked, and Vader breathes while he's talking in the films
4: Its not Han Solo's ship - its the Impossible Princess (Fuser's ship) - he's also not alone.....
And to all - sorry about the'choreography' - we used neon tubes to get 'realistic' lighting on the characters, but we didnt want to break them! See the 'Behind the Scenes' vid on the website for more. We realise it didnt work as well as it could, and we'll be using broom handles next time!
Cheers for now
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 6:10pm
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This is the first movie i've ever watched on this site. Pretty cool! I think the bluescreening is great and CGI. Well done.
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 10:33pm
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I KNEW I'd seen the clip before
I'll look forwards to the next installment.
Posted: Sun, 15th Feb 2004, 12:55am
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That was really really good.
I give it a zero for effort.
Posted: Fri, 20th Feb 2004, 11:16pm
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contrary to what most say, i did'n't particularly like the bluescreening. there was always a border around the people, and sometimes it just looked so horrendously fake. also, some of the scenes changed in lighting conditions between shots. the guy with the beard would have a red tint, then in the following shot, he's back to normal.
you should use a CG program next time, instead of a game. it will greatly improve the 3D if you work on it for a while.
good effort, i look forward to seeing some more movies from you in the future.
Posted: Tue, 24th Feb 2004, 10:13am
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Complaints Suggestions and Questions
The cussing was the worst and most unnessesary part of the movie.
The correct lighting con be found using Digital Grading (DVD of Fellowship of the Ring can explain) so I would make a Speacial Edition with the broom sticks for blades(With the Digigrade software). The fighting was your second biggest fault. Never use lamps.
Clones of Maul? After he's dead for many decades rotting in some kind of machine pit where would you get the (Whatever required from the body in this case) from. And clones are produced in factories and mature over many years (even with a fast life span) so you can't make one or two in an instant like that with a some sort of replicator from Star Trek(which is meant for food).
B-wing from Rogue Squadron : Good idea,Fun game and Realistic
All others from X-Wing Alliance: Bad idea , fun game but very OLD
What kind of computer system is able to use(or steal) space ship designs from copyright games? Sounds like(Illegal)a time saver to me. I might have to (REPORT YOU) try that. What did you do to get that from Rogue Squadron. I could use the help (Especially if its Legal).
That Tie was a new one on me. Cool, but unfamiliar. 3 winged ties (Tie-Avengers) Aren't really like that. That was a mix between a Tie and a Babalon 5 ship by the looks of it.
BlueScreen borders are not convincing.
Where was your Rebel Pilot Helmet?
No cussing !
1 missle doesn't destroy an entire space station on a Hull Impact. You have to blow it up from the inside or attack it with a really big cannon.
The Voraxo space station(X-Wing Alliance) couldn't really have been destroyed by a YT-1300 frieghter (Which is the same kind of ship as Han Solo's for anyone's complaints about that) like in the game, nor yours by a B-wing. In Rogue Squadron you couldn't "destroy" a Star Destroyer but you could disable it making it crash land on the planet.
Have I mentioned no Cussing? No cussing!!!
Posted: Tue, 24th Feb 2004, 1:40pm
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I don't remember any cussing... Unless you count "damn" and "hell" cussing? I don't see why it bothers you so much, since they say these things in Star Wars anyway...
Posted: Wed, 25th Feb 2004, 5:58am
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He also said a word that means crap and it starts with an S.
By the way, the D and H words are only not cuss words if used properly like saying "if you don't believe in God then you will go to Hell" or "Jesus saves you from damnation". Just because they cuss in the movies doesn't mean we should in our movies. Because they have it in their movies is why it’s a good idea to get TV-G (look it up). "He who guards his tongue is greater than he who conquers a city" (or a space station in this case).
The response I really wanted was about the video game space ships (which seem to be stolen) from the guy who made this film. I want to know how he did that.
And FYI. "Nerdalert" sounds like some immature public school come back phrase. Goes right up there with "opposite day" (yes means no and no means yes). Intelligent people argue with facts not names.
Posted: Wed, 25th Feb 2004, 6:44am
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Well, since no proper comebacks related to Star Wars came to mind... I just don't understand why you went off on technical details about stuff like ship model numbers and how they couldn't destroy a space station. That's the type of thing that someone who designed the ships for the movies should care about, and no one else. I mean no offence.
Edit: Intelligent people? What "facts" would you like me to look up that I could possibly use to "argue" with you about something based completely in fiction?
Posted: Wed, 25th Feb 2004, 7:53am
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No offence taken on that remark. I kind of pay alot of attention to detail when it comes to Star Wars, because I want to make my own film, and I spot out gaps in logic in other fan films. And I read so much in the Star Wars official website Data Bank that I know a good deal about what is and is not Star Wars.
My rules for a spoof: If making a spoof (which isn't meant to be a comedy) of a movie you research the standards set by those who made the movie you are spoofing even if it is fiction.
If it was a Superman movie then he is harmed by kriptonite unless it is contained in lead which by the way he can't see through using his X-ray vision. That is the standard set of Superman concerning his weakness.
That is a set standard which a spoof shouldn't brake.
It is written in the star wars data bank that clones take years to make ready for fighting. They have to grow up. They cannot be replicated in an instant.
The Death Star could not be destroyed by a hit on its Hull. You have to blow it up from the inside or use a really powerful cannon (which doesn't seem accessable to the Rebellion). Likewise the Space station in this film could not be destroyed by anything a B-Wing could do unless it had the same weakness that the first Death Star had. If so you can't make a precise hit on an exhaust port from that range. It gets rid of all the danger that the fleet or the B-wing itself was in.
Not much of a climax if you ask me. The Empire had no Star Destroyers around, a few squads of Ties (which looked cool I said), and a Space station vulnerable to 1 hull hitting missile. The Rebels had a Calamari Cruiser, a Light Frigate, Some Blockade runners and an amount of fighters and bombers big enough to take out the Ties by themselves. And all that Rebel fleet which for the first time ever outnumbered an Imperial fleet backed off while a single B-Wing, meant to be a scout, destroyed a space station in one shot. Why didn't he just decide to do that the moment he got in range instead of scouting for automatic defences.
Those are some of the gaps in logic. Logic based on the movie's standards.
Have I made my point yet Aculag?
Any way I still want to know how he got that space ship design of a B-Wing out of a GameCube. How is it possible to use Rogue Squadron's ships in your own movie. HOW DOES HE DO THAT?!!!
Posted: Wed, 25th Feb 2004, 8:09am
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Narluin Arthalion wrote:I kind of pay alot of attention to detail when it comes to Star Wars, because I want to make my own film, and I spot out gaps in logic in other fan films. And I read so much in the Star Wars official website Data Bank that I know a good deal about what is and is not Star Wars.
You could have just said that and I'd be content.
Posted: Wed, 25th Feb 2004, 6:22pm
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I'd just like to add something to this discussion -
I think that we, as film makers, not only have a right - but a duty to use creative license - especially when it comes to fanfilms.
If I wanted to see George Lucas tell a story about the SW universe, I'd go and watch ANH, ESB or one of the others. But when I download Fuser's movie based on Star Wars, I want to see him telling a story in his own way - and this is the most important factor. Ok, so there are a few continuity issues - but that's not the point. Fuser has taken a story, and by using a little creative license, made an excellent film. I know I enjoyed it!
The details you've picked up on, Narluin Arthalion, seem to me to be rather trivial. You mention that it's wrong because of the way the ship is destroyed - is this really important? Surely it's better to create something that portrays the story that the filmmaker wanted us to see? Maybe, because of other commitments or such, Fuser was unable to take to time to fully animate a sequence where they chase down the trenches of the space station. Besides which, wouldn't that be blatantly repeating what was in ANH - something which I feel that we should move away from; we need to be less attracted to the details, and more to the way a story is portrayed - and if it's fun or not! I certainly thought that Order of The Sith was a decent movie, wether or not there were one or two errors.
Posted: Wed, 25th Feb 2004, 6:41pm
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Really whenever you make a Fanfilm you're going to get ripped left right and centre: "This part wouldn't happen because in Episode 2 Obi Wan Kenobi said... " or " Why are you copying the stuff from the real fims, can't you come up with your own plot?"
Narluin Arthalion: Aculag was right, it's pointless going on about realism in this genre. Shall we just say that the space station blew up due to a force overload
I'll let you off without a severe beating this time
The film was actually better than I expected, although the greenscreening was a bit rough around the edges, I quite liked the look that it gave. Good work overall and I'm waiting for part 2(?)
Posted: Wed, 25th Feb 2004, 9:04pm
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Crikey! - sorry I've been away for a few days. I'll try and take the points raised one at a time.
First off, the greenscreen was awful. We know. We'll do better now we have Chromanator.......
As for the cussing, well, what can I say. Shouldn't be a problem really - especially as I made sure I cut the sound of after 'shhh' - he could have been about to say 'sheep'!
The clones will be better explained in the sequel...
The B-Wing was from X-Wing Alliance, not Rogue Squadron. It should all be perfectly legal - Lucasfilm support fanfilms actively.
As for the missile blowing up the station, I thought I'd set that up OK by having all the other ships take the shields down first...its not as if the Station was only hit once - the B-Wing just deliverd the fatal hit, based on X-Wing Alliance rules.
I just used a screen-capture program to get the space action, but I did write specific missions for the game first to get what I wanted.
Seriously though, the movie is just supposed to be a bit of fun in the Star Wars universe. Almost everyone who has given feedback has said the film was fun and enjoyable, regardless of technical flaws. I take that as a great compliment! We've had over 3000 downloads in 3 weeks and still going strong!
Thanks again to everyone - I'll reply to any more questions/posts
Posted: Wed, 25th Feb 2004, 10:47pm
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Fuser wrote:First, the ship at the end is taken from Rogue Leader game for the GameCube - altered and edited. The rest of the ships were from X-Wing Alliance...
What this talking about then if not the B-Wing? Was it the YT-1300 Freighter.
Sorry if I sound rude guys but when it come down to it I guess I've played to much Star Wars trivial pursuit. When I see something contradicting to the movies it somewhat doesn't seem right. It was a very good film, and I enjoyed it. But I read on theforce.net that you have to check and see if what your putting in your film is correct. If you put an X-wing or an A-Wing in the timeperiod of episode 2 that ruins the film. They weren't invented yet, right? Thank goodness you didn't make that mistake.
I'll say it again. That was a very good film and I'll give it atleast a 4 for effort and how much detail was already in there. The main thing I always look for is the story line, then the logic and standards set by the movies, then the production value, and then how cool the fighting and climax were. The cussing I'm not looking for but if its in there it gets my attention, scince thats what I don't to find.
It has its faults but its still a pretty good film. Good luck on your next Fuser.
P.S. If British people call it a Holiday and Americans a Vacation, What do British people call what Americans call Holidays (example Saint Patricks day, Christmas, Valentines day ect, ect...)
Posted: Wed, 25th Feb 2004, 10:48pm
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Sorry about the typoes in my last responce guys. I'm very bad at typing.
Posted: Wed, 25th Feb 2004, 10:51pm
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The edit button is good for you fixing typos! Woah!
Posted: Thu, 26th Feb 2004, 4:00am
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Hmm, has anyone besides me noticed that the summary for this film reads like a paragraph written by a nine year old who desperately hates Fuser's production team? Or at least that's what it sounds like to me. Just an observation.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 9:53pm
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i couldnt dl the movie
Posted: Thu, 4th Mar 2004, 8:18am
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I've just tried the link from my work computer (cos I'm working real hard....) and it seems to be working OK. Try visiting my mirror site at http:\\mysite.freeserve.com\sithtrilogy and go to the download page if you have no luck from here. Thanks for looking! - Fuser
Posted: Thu, 4th Mar 2004, 7:17pm
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i tested the sam link and it worked
i liked the ship battles very much
but the lightsaber fights looked strange to me.. well its not like the other saberfights i have seen. but its a cool movie. will it be a new episode ?
Posted: Thu, 4th Mar 2004, 8:33pm
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Yes - the 2nd part is underway. We will try and get it done this year, but that might be a little optimistic seeing as its only me doing all the work...........