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Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 11:27am

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b4uask30male

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My first film using Chromonator.
The bluescreen was not lit correctly as I wanted to see what could be done without lights.
I'll be using Chromonator in my next big film and wanted to test it before I started.

There is a story in this film.


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Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 3:13pm

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Those little shorts of yours are very entertaining. Good job on the acting, even lighting was decent, except for the bluescreen but you already mentionned that.

CG was a bit distracting - try to darken it to help make it more present and less "clean". Maybe add a bit of noise to it as well.

The spider wasn't a success in terms of realism and it took away a bit for me - even a rubber spider would have worked better I think.

There was too much headroom in the shots where you are featured. The shot when the character dies was also badly framed.

It's funny to have a priest with an earring. It maybe OK in England but here it'd be frowned upon. wink

I especially liked the work put on the scripting and you managed to give a really neat effect to the "memories" featuring the child.

Acting was overall very good although a bit more intensity at the end would have served the story better. No overacting though, which is nice.

I like the "short story" feel of this piece. good work!
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 3:38pm

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As a first attempt, its a good start. Unlike John Carter, i felt the spider was reasonably good. Obviously it did stick out a bit, and it didn't appear to be actually touching your hand, or moving right, but it was still better than a kick in the balls.

I'm guessing that the way the fringes of both actors were sorta shimmering, is something you can get rid of with more use/knowledge of chromanator.

As john says, the cropping of the shots was bizarre. I guess it was so that you could show as much of your skillfully composited backdrop, but unfortunately it still served no purpose.

I hate rating tests, coz they're invariably bad by very nature of their type, but i'll give this a 3 coz it at least contained some acting.
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 4:23pm

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I thought the spider looked good and I thought its movements were good as well. I say it was good because when I saw it, the spider actually made my stomach cringe. Nice job with everything else tho. (besides the bluescreening but u know that)
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 5:55pm

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Thanks guys.
I think i'll have to admit I need help with the bluescreen work sad
some of you guys make it look easy.

yeah the framing was bad, lots of things was bad, but i'll use this as a learner.
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 6:04pm

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b4uask30male wrote:

Thanks guys.
I think i'll have to admit I need help with the bluescreen work sad
some of you guys make it look easy.

yeah the framing was bad, lots of things was bad, but i'll use this as a learner.
Hey! We just pointed it out to help! wink
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 7:28pm

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Sorry i didn't mine to sound bad.
( i hate typing sad )
I was trying to say i'm glad you point out the errors and i agree.

Think i'll get some lights now. ( about time i hear you cry )
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 7:39pm

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out o curiosity b4, did you have to get rights for the Dungeons and Dragons Episode or didnt you need them?
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 7:59pm

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Funny you should ask that.
I've sort of gone into a partnership with a guy that is trying to draw the same epsiode that i'll be making.

We have both been trying to find out who ownes the rights, the other guy (george ) managed to track down the owner/s, disney ownes the disribution but hasbro own the full copyright.
He emailed hasbro and told them about the films we are making, they replied saying (in there own words ) it's a dirty secret that they own the rights ( they got them when they brought out another company ) anyway they said they would love to see our finished films.

I don't read anything into that other than at leastwe won't get told off for making it.
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 9:35pm

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so they didnt decide to make you pay for it or anything? hmm.. thats good to know for a lot of people that like to make movies smile
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 11:01pm

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Rating: +1

The big downfall in this was the bluescreening, but you already mentioned it so... Next time try upping the black point on the key. That will give a sharper edge and remove the holes. The spider was awesome! I loved that. What program did you make it with?
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 11:10pm

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b4uask30male

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thanks for the tip Brettsta +1

Poser is what i used for the spider.
( i love poser )
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 2:33am

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Well done! Your acting was excellent! You have a real knack for that. I have a quick question for you. I am probably going to be getting Poser 5, so I think you could be of some help since you own it.

-Since I'm new to the use of CG characters on live footage, how do you get the animations of the 3d characters on the live action video? Did you render the animation of the spider with an alpha channel and key it in with chromanator? If so, Poser can render with an alpha channel, correct?

Thanks! biggrin
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 2:39am

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b4uask30male wrote:

Funny you should ask that.
I've sort of gone into a partnership with a guy that is trying to draw the same epsiode that i'll be making.

We have both been trying to find out who ownes the rights, the other guy (george ) managed to track down the owner/s, disney ownes the disribution but hasbro own the full copyright.
He emailed hasbro and told them about the films we are making, they replied saying (in there own words ) it's a dirty secret that they own the rights ( they got them when they brought out another company ) anyway they said they would love to see our finished films.

I don't read anything into that other than at leastwe won't get told off for making it.
I would advise that you keep that email.

If they said they'd like to see your film, that means you are free to go and they don't care much...

It doesn't mean it'll work with every property...

But congrats for getting this one!!!
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 2:39am

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B4uask, do you think you can do the same thing in 3ds max?
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 7:27am

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b4uask30male

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Poser can import your avi footage so you can put animations direct onto your video ( like alamdv )

Yeah 3dmax can do the same, don't ask me how i can't work 3dsmax sad
Posted: Thu, 12th Feb 2004, 12:02am

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b4uask30male: Can you have more than one character in a scene w/ Poser5?

Thanks.
Posted: Thu, 12th Feb 2004, 1:30am

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Yes. You can have as many objects as you want.

Brettsta, 3DS MAX is far more powerful than Poser (just look at DXM and FS: X), but costs more.
Posted: Thu, 12th Feb 2004, 5:04am

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back to the movie now guys, if you want to ask, do it through a pm.
Posted: Thu, 12th Feb 2004, 10:18pm

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I think that was quite good, better than the starship troopers one anyway.

pros and cons =

pros: Quite an engaging storyline
Well acted
Music fitted the scene very well
Good transitions

cons: Crappy blue screening, looked so fake.
The spider, use a rubber one, that'd probably be more realistic

over all
for a 4 minute video
4 out of 5


keep up the good work.

P.S.
NEWS FLASH FOR EVERYONE
In one week, my pal martin and I are beginning our production company,
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Our first film is in its pre-production stage,
it is called BLOOD OMEN, THE LEGEND OF THE SOUL REAVER, it is an adaption of the video game, bringing vampire army general KAIN into the modern age,
it is written and directed by me, stars me as Kain, my pal Martin as the baddie, Sebastien, and My Pal Callum Stewart as Marcus.
So far, we have written quarter of the script, (i expect it to be 2hrs 20 - 2 hrs 30 mins long), and have choreographed some of the battle scenes, we are using that good ol' ZERO buget thingy, but I will keep everyone posted about the pre-production status. We expect to commence filming during April. With any luck, it will be released in May or beginning of June at the VERY latest.
Posted: Thu, 12th Feb 2004, 10:19pm

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I dont get peoples problems witht eh spider. It looks incredible to me.
Posted: Fri, 13th Feb 2004, 1:31am

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I'm w/ Brettsta on that one. The spider was really well animated. Oh, and the bluescreen.... yea it wasn't the best compositing job I've seen before, but it was his 1st time using chrominator. It wasn't "crappy"

oh, well......life goes on.........
Posted: Fri, 13th Feb 2004, 1:40am

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not to mention he did it w/o the use of lights, which is pretty impressive.
Posted: Fri, 13th Feb 2004, 1:47am

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Oh, yeah-Forgot about that. That's very difficult to do.
Posted: Fri, 13th Feb 2004, 2:49am

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strange movie... but that's what makes it so good! smile
Posted: Sat, 14th Feb 2004, 4:22pm

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b4uask30male,

You said that Poser can import avi footage and that the animations could be placed directly onto footage. Does this mean that there are shadows on the avi footage, and you don't have to add them in? Also, if I want an animation to go behind me @ some point, how do I get it to do that?
Posted: Sat, 14th Feb 2004, 4:27pm

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tylerw wrote:

b4uask30male,

You said that Poser can import avi footage and that the animations could be placed directly onto footage. Does this mean that there are shadows on the avi footage, and you don't have to add them in? Also, if I want an animation to go behind me @ some point, how do I get it to do that?
I pmed b4uask about similir questions. Yes, there is a button to create a shadow in poser. To make something go behind something in real life, you have to bring it in after effects or chromanator and mask it out.
Posted: Sat, 14th Feb 2004, 6:32pm

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This thread is about b4 movies, guys... Don't hijack it.
Posted: Sat, 14th Feb 2004, 6:52pm

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Brettsta wrote:

back to the movie now guys, if you want to ask, do it through a pm.
Posted: Sat, 14th Feb 2004, 7:18pm

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Brettsta- Thanks! That's all I need to know.
Posted: Sun, 15th Feb 2004, 10:02am

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I quite liked the Spider, didn't like the blue screen work (I know you've seen Holed Up - so you should what a mess you get if you don't light your screens properly!) and thought the thing was quite flat overall. Rather than the cartoony straight-on veiws of the two actors you might have been better off filming extreme close up in darkness - think Marlon Brando in Apocolypse Now.

Faster editing, banked angels, lots of details cutaways ike wringing hands maybe.

The spider did look nice, though.