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All I Hear And See Is Matrix

Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 9:31pm

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Hey guys I totally speechless when I see all these special effects and guns and explosions made by teenage kids.

Why cant u guys use your imagination to make movies other then Matrix mimics ?. All i see is matrix this and matrix that come on guys use your imagination i want ideas and scripts that are unique.
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 9:38pm

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Well this is an easy one.

The reason you see so much copying, and so little innovation, is because the people that use csb products are largely people who do film-making as a hobby. Many are in full time education of some sort, or if not in education, have better things to be doing with their time.

I'd venture a guess that the time remaining to these people, isn't really enough to do any more than basic plot spin-offs from existing movies, rather than the creating new ones.

Furthermore, just because you can use a camcorder and AlamDV with your mate, doesn't mean you are even slightly good at writing fiction, hence plots. Its easy to create FX movies, but it requires far more manpower and ability than many people posess, to create scripts to placate your demands.
Posted: Mon, 9th Feb 2004, 11:23pm

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I'm guilty of Matrix spin offs. Why? I like the Matrix. I make these little movies to entertain myself, not guests. As far as the explanation above, I think it's true. I don't have a special talent for this, and i know it. That doesn't keep me from having fun and relieving myself from the stress I get from work and life. My real reason for having this software is because I like to film my vacations. People I have with me are always entertained with the movies I make with that footage, and FXhome was a great place to learn better and different ways of doing it. Scripts, not my interest, now. There ar many non-matrix movies in this cinema, many that are unique. Check out the Cobra movies, the twisted studio movies and you will be impressed. I've tried larger projects, but so far, the actors lose interest, or the weather changes. Sometime, I just get bored. I'm ramblin' now, but the notion that there isn't ANY creativity is wrong. I think you need to look deeper.
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 12:13am

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MATRIX! MATRIX! Laughing at my cries.... *80's metal lixx*
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 12:20am

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People dont normally make movies just for random people over the internet to view. Many people make movies for fun and to show theit friends and family. You should be entertained when making your movies.

I say lay off, your too afraid to even make a name and to make a movie of your own to post.
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 12:39am

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Hostile, are we? I make movies for showing on the 'net.
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 12:42am

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sidewinder wrote:

Hostile, are we? I make movies for showing on the 'net.
Naa, just tired heh and I meant a lot of people dont, not everyone.
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 1:39am

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You know what i think>? someone should make a "commando" fanfilm. AHHnolds name in there was "John matrix", so then you could make a matrix fanfilm without getting crap for it!

(be sure to include scene with 80 guys with guns running straight towards some dude with a light machine gun, who promptly mows them all down)
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 2:14am

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Another reason is acting, or a lack thereof. Anyone can be trained to do an action flick, but even the simplest of acting feats can be amazingly difficult to accomplish with a group of friends willing to commit the time to making a movie. I don't have access to actors. I have access to my friends. So I have to work with what I've got and do the best I can.
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 9:30am

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One more thing...

You often see fan films basedon very populare movies.. such as "the matrix", "Star Wars" etc. I think this works like when the big studios are doing bad sequals to movies a couple of years after just becouse they r out of ideas...
People knows that Matrix,starwars etc. has good quality and then they think that these fanfilms will be good to!
Its just easier to get people watching fanfilms then some other random bad gun movie...
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 9:37am

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Anyone can be trained to do an action flick...
Now, I find that just a bit disrespectful to all the guys out there making a living as stunt-men, fight coreographers and so on wink

My guess is that "Anyone" could be trained to be an actor if he/she had such an amibtion. Just as "Anyone" interested in action flicks can get really good at doing action sequences.
It's just a matter of what You find interesting...

Most people here are into effects and stuff which are often used in action flicks, so it's natural that a lot of what's shown here are concentrated around action and the want to be able to do cool stuff as seen in the Hollywood productions.

/Rico
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 9:32pm

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Anyone can be trained to do an action flick.... but only some are really good at it... take Adrenaline, for example.
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 9:48pm

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holy cow that is exactly what i feel when i read this post. tomany of use are makeing matrix movies when we should take advantage of the Alamdv fx and put them to more use wink
Who's With me surprised
lets band together and make Movie like nonother teenagers.
peace out to the Fxhome Colony cool
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 10:09pm

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Matrix fanfilms can be cool, but when nearly every action movie nowdays copies the matrix on way or the other, it seems like its getting overused just a little bit.
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 10:12pm

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Matrix was great when it first came out. the special effects were original and creative. but ever since then there hasnt been much that has brought up the bar since the matrix. so hopefully something new will come along and blow us all away. because think abuot it..i know some ppl that can do the bullet time effect very easily. i can do it quite easily. so nowadays it just isnt that big of a deal anymore.
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 10:53pm

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pooky wrote:

Anyone can be trained to do an action flick.... but only some are really good at it... take Adrenaline, for example.
This film seems to get mentioned at some point in almost every forum, but I can't find it anywhere :&rt;

Where the hell should I be looking? I've tried the archives, I've tried ZED, I've even tried TFN. Where else should I look? Is this an amatuer film or something that went through the cinemas?
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 10:54pm

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but did u check the forums

http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12200
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 10:55pm

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Probably..... wait, it is the best fight coreography I have seen amateur filmakers do.
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 11:05pm

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Brettsta wrote:

but did u check the forums
Look, I'm far too old to think of really obvious things like that! crazy

Hehe, well I'm downloading it now, so I expect it to be really good, otherwise I'll ........... twisted
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 11:23pm

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It's like a stunt demo. No story. But nice stunts.
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 11:36pm

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Well, yeah, excellent stunts. But then trained martial artists always look good. The rest of us can't hope to match that level of skill.

Anyway, back to the original point of this thread. I've only posted one movie so far and it had a bit of everything in it, Matrix, Terminator, Starwars. We do it because we enjoy it! Not so that some Guest can come on here and go "wow, what a truely amazing and totally original movie".

I do this in my spare time (what little I get) and I do it for fun! Show me one person who's seen Starwars or the Matrix and DOESN'T want to have a lightsabre or be able to do bullet time.

People like Cobra are coming up with some good original stuff and if they keep it up I think they'll be going places. The rest of us just want to shoot guns on camera biggrin . I don't have the flair for story telling that those guys do, so I don't try to do something I can't! But I DO enjoy making films, so I'll do the films I LIKE doing.

Who the hell is this GUEST guy?

SOD him!

Let's see one of his films before he starts bitching about ours!
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 11:40pm

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Making a truly thought out story is very hard.
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 11:45pm

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Brettsta wrote:

Making a truly thought out story is very hard.
Exactly. Cobra are really good at this, but the rest of us just don't really have the time or energy. Either that, or we just can't be bothered biggrin

That's why I say sod the guy.

Tarn, Malone, somebody - I suggest you just delete this whole thread. Whoever this "guest" guy is, he's just wasting out time.
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 11:49pm

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Brettsta wrote:

Making a truly thought out story is very hard.
Actually, it's really not. It's hard to come up with a story sometimes, but once you have a story, the rest of it just flows. Or maybe it's just me...
Posted: Tue, 10th Feb 2004, 11:52pm

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Aculag wrote:

Brettsta wrote:

Making a truly thought out story is very hard.
Actually, it's really not. It's hard to come up with a story sometimes, but once you have a story, the rest of it just flows. Or maybe it's just me...
Youre one of the people thats good at this. I guess I have to grow up a little, maybe I'll get better at it.

Also once you have a story. The once is the hard part. How do you come up with ideas like Sam Spade and stuff?
Posted: Wed, 11th Feb 2004, 10:32am

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Hi, Interesting post.

Its clear that a lot of us make stuff for the pleasure of letting other people see our work, and the fun we get from makig stuff.

I've been thinking of doing a matrix flick sometime soon to test out alam dv. But now i've read this post im actually wondering whether too. Would it be that hard to change it from the matrix to something else?
Posted: Thu, 12th Feb 2004, 2:42am

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Aculag wrote:

Brettsta wrote:

Making a truly thought out story is very hard.
Actually, it's really not. It's hard to come up with a story sometimes, but once you have a story, the rest of it just flows. Or maybe it's just me...
Coming up with a story IS easy. But after that you have to think about all the scenes that come between start and end. That ain't easy. Unless we're talking about a basic and/or short idea. If it's a big idea - then it's a lot harder. Like a feature-length idea.
Cause let's face it, anyone can come up with some scenes that link together for a total of 5-10 minutes.

Adam.
Posted: Thu, 12th Feb 2004, 4:08am

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I wouldnt agree on the "easy story" idea at all..its hard coming up with a good concept for a story that everyone will enjoy. Sure a story could be easy to write when you incorporate light sabres or other over-exagerated special effects, but when it comes to a GOOD story, no special effects are really needed.
Posted: Thu, 12th Feb 2004, 4:16am

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Exactly. It's all in what you write and not the content that refers to BIG effects or action sequences. The words mean LOTS! And that's the hard part. Putting something down that's meaningful and not corny, cheesy or cheap.
Good descriptions that entice the reader to read further and build up the feel for the characters.

Adam.
Posted: Thu, 12th Feb 2004, 5:08am

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CMBmovies wrote:

Hi, Interesting post.

Its clear that a lot of us make stuff for the pleasure of letting other people see our work, and the fun we get from makig stuff.

I've been thinking of doing a matrix flick sometime soon to test out alam dv. But now i've read this post im actually wondering whether too. Would it be that hard to change it from the matrix to something else?
go out, have fun! Do whatever you want. Dont let some random guest prevent you from what you want. Do it for you, not for him.
Posted: Thu, 12th Feb 2004, 9:11am

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Another good point smile
Posted: Thu, 12th Feb 2004, 5:14pm

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Matrix was a good story but only to a degree..the story lacked when the special effects were involved. there were fight scenes that just randomly happened for no apparent reason such as the fight with neo and that chinese guy who protected the oracle..i forget his name but that fight was POINTLESS! the first matrix was good but then it went downhill bigtime!
Posted: Thu, 12th Feb 2004, 9:45pm

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It may not have made much sense to you. But if you analyse everything that surrounds and take on others' opinions, it starts making sense.

He was being tested. Simple. And part of that was because The "Chinese guy" knew that Neo liked Kung Fu.
Neo likes Kung Fu and enjoyed it.
And hey..it was cool!

And of course, yeh, the first is the best.

Adam.