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Posted: Tue, 2nd Mar 2004, 11:12pm

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I've finally convinced myself to get a digital camera. I've narrowed it down to either the xl-1 or the gl-2 (both from Canon). I really want the xl-1. The look of the camera and the manual controls make it irresistable. But am I only paying the extra cash to feed my ego, or is this that much better at delivering a higher quality image than the gl-2, which is also a 3 CCD camera. If anyone has used both I would love a reply.
Thank you.
Posted: Tue, 2nd Mar 2004, 11:32pm

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id want to know the quality differnces and if one feature stands out greately, (besides the fact that XL1s have an interchangable lens system. I am getting 1000 something bucks for working during the summer, and I might put it towards one of these.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 1:50am

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I don't know much about the XL1-S although we are using one this Friday for filming a punk show along with my GL-2. All I know is that i bought my GL-2 a month ago and i'm loving every bit about its an amazing video camera and I'm sure the XL1-S can only get better. The only down side about the XL1-S is that it doesn't have the LCD screen which can come in handy.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 1:51am

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The XL1s dont have any screen! Thats a big downside to me. I

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wdy wrote:

I don't know much about the XL1-S although we are using one this Friday for filming a punk show along with my GL-2. All I know is that i bought my GL-2 a month ago and i'm loving every bit about its an amazing video camera and I'm sure the XL1-S can only get better. The only down side about the XL1-S is that it doesn't have the LCD screen which can come in handy.
What band are you filming?
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 1:55am

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Definatly the xl1 just because of the fact you can change the lenses. Of course if your on a budget the gl2 is also a great camera!
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 1:57am

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is there a big quality difference?
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 2:01am

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Depends on the type of lenses you use and I would think that there is not a great quality differance between the gl2 and xl1 but there definantly is one.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 2:15am

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I use an XL1s and I love it. I haven't bought a different lens, and now that I'm sure the XL2 will come out in a year or two probably, I'm not too worried about upgrading.

I'm not sure... does anyone know if you can order an XL1 with a different lens than the standard? Say you want a manual lens instead of the one that normally comes with it. I think that'd be awesome.

But yes, in my opinion the XL1s is a brilliant camera.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 3:52am

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Brettsta wrote:

What band are you filming?
We are filming more than one band. Although the main band Is Grace Enough and this concert is celebrating their new CD that they got signed by a record company here in Canada. They play hardcore screamo..interesting music but you get use to it. We are also filming three other bands which they are all donating money to us. Is Grace Enough also opened tour for the band Alexisonfire who you may have heard of.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 4:49am

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Ozea wrote:

I've finally convinced myself to get a digital camera. I've narrowed it down to either the xl-1 or the gl-2 (both from Canon). I really want the xl-1. The look of the camera and the manual controls make it irresistable. But am I only paying the extra cash to feed my ego, or is this that much better at delivering a higher quality image than the gl-2, which is also a 3 CCD camera. If anyone has used both I would love a reply.
Thank you.
The XL-1s is a really nice camera...I have been wanting one for quite some time. I have been using a GL-1 for about three years now with stellar results (GL-2 will do just as well). My next camera will not be the Canon I had long hoped for, it will be the Panasonic DVX100A. Ego, schmeego . . . what's the difference??? It's what you are going to do with the equipment once you get it. You can't go wrong with the GL-2, and either of the Pro cameras will put a smile on your face too ... there is a little bit of a learning curve. Good luck!
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 6:19am

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how many times will this topic be posted?? but anywho..XL1S man! for sure! and aculag i do wonder if you can order the camera with a different lens instead of the default one..im sure you can through canon or something..
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 9:35am

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I'd go with the GL2, simply because the video quality difference isnt worth the extra money. On top of this, the xl1 weighs more, and is somewhat more awkward to use. I dont believe the CCD's were changed either, even though they are dated as of now. Also as it was also mentioned, no LCD screen. and i know i'll have a bunch of people who want to sound professional saying that they never use the LCD, so whats the point, but in reality its very very useful to be able to watch your work afterwards, not to mention, external monitors are a hassle and expensive.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 11:12am

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The GL2 is currently a better camera, to my knowledge, because it is newer. The manual controls are very nice on the XL1, but not having them so readily to hand won't exactly destroy your filmmaking either. Personally I just prefer the shape of the GL2 (aka XM2 in UK).

I'd only bother going for the XL1 if you need interchangeable lenses. Oh, and if you can afford to buy new lenses. Otherwise it'd be kinda pointless. Ah, and don't forget that it can be extremely difficult to get accurate focusing on the XL1 without a decent external monitor to hand.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 4:37pm

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Tarn, I've not once noticed any problems getting accurate focus with my XL1... Have you had bad experiences with it?

Also, isn't there some sort of adapter for the XL1 that allows you to put any of canon's lenses on it, not just lenses specific for the camera? That's a nice feature.

EDIT: Truly... There is such an adapter...

Mini35 Adapter However... It costs 2 grand more than the camera itself, so... Heh. Heh. Heh... *slowly backs out...*
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 5:06pm

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could you post a link to the Sony XV2100 , i cant seem to any information on it..thanks!
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 5:10pm

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Typo - its the VX2100 not XV2100.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 10:02pm

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Aculag wrote:


Also, isn't there some sort of adapter for the XL1 that allows you to put any of canon's lenses on it
Maybe you're thinking of the EF Adapter, which allows the use of any of Canon's cornucopia of photographic lenses:

http://www.canondv.com/xl1s/a_adapters.html
Posted: Thu, 4th Mar 2004, 2:22am

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Its good to know that people are starting to get the point that the sony vx2100 is absolutely the sh*t
Posted: Thu, 4th Mar 2004, 3:45am

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You don't know for a fact what a cameras like until you've tried. Sure people will say oh the XL1 is better than the new Sony..etc although really you should trying renting them or experiments with different cameras. We all have our own feel and opinions on cameras, pick what best suits you and think is perfect for your use.
Posted: Thu, 4th Mar 2004, 3:47am

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orion0340 wrote:

Maybe you're thinking of the EF Adapter, which allows the use of any of Canon's cornucopia of photographic lenses:

http://www.canondv.com/xl1s/a_adapters.html
That'd do the trick too. Probably much cheaper as well.
Posted: Thu, 4th Mar 2004, 2:15pm

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Well, let me put it this way: The GL2 and the XL1s are the pinacle of Canon's prosumer DV camera line. Both shoot superb images.

If you have around $4,000 you want to spend, then go for the XL1s.

If you only have $2,000 to $3,000 then go for the GL2.

It all depends on how much you are willing to spend. But if you choose either one, you'll be extremly happy with the results.

Also, although Canon does sell an awesome product, you shouldn't rule out other cams in the same price range. Take a look at the Sony VX2000, and the Panasonic AG-DVX100A. Looking back, that's one thing that I wish I would have done, but being a huge fan of Canon, I pretty much decided to get a GL2 to right away. It's a great cam, don't get me wrong, but I still wish I would have done my homework a little better... damn that Panasonic looks hot cool...
Posted: Thu, 4th Mar 2004, 11:07pm

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Welll how about the Sony TRV950?

- 3CCD (3x 1/4.7" Mega-Pixel CCD (1070k Pixels) per CCD)
- 12x Optical, 150x Digital
- $1600

It's got a 7 Lux though, so I think low lighting would be a problem?

Saving $600 from a GL2/VX2100 would be nice.

BH Photo Video

Edit: Wow, found the GL2 for $1699 from US1Camera which seem like a reputable company from reviews.
Posted: Thu, 4th Mar 2004, 11:39pm

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I think a similir price over at digital kings.

Very good prices, but are they reliable? Anyone ever buy from them? Gl2 is listed there as GL-2, incase you cant find it in the search.

1638 or something like this, heres the link: http://www.digitalkings.com/productdetail.asp?productid=108
Posted: Fri, 5th Mar 2004, 8:30am

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What I would like to know is how all these teenagers get their hands on GL2/Xl1/VX2100/etc. cameras.
Posted: Fri, 5th Mar 2004, 9:19am

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Im 19 and i basically just kept putting money into an account for about 2 months and then bought my vx2100...pretty simple as long as you can keep your mind off the money in the account..
Posted: Fri, 5th Mar 2004, 11:03am

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P.S. If you get an XL1S make sure you get an external monitor as it is hard to get the thing focused using the wheel and looking at the viewfinder - many people seem to have this problem and it can cause all manner of problems in post production
Yeah the XL-1 has problems focusing, the two reasons for this are the crappy viewfinder, If you don't want to get an external monitor you can get a black and white CRT viewfinder which should make focusing much easier.

The other problem is the standard lens has a motorised zoom, which is prone to drift, getting a proper manual lens fixes this, but it all adds to the cost. For now I can keep using the Unis cameras, and not have to worry about spending my own money biggrin
Posted: Fri, 5th Mar 2004, 12:48pm

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I work partime at a grocery store on the side from my high school. It took me about six months on minimum wage to save enough for my GL-2. I worked about 12 hours a week at $6.85 hr. As well I got a Christmas bonus and just recently got a raise to $7.15 hr. Kids can be ritch by making money themselves partime smile

Also a very decent online place to order camera is Camera Topia thats where i was originally gonna by my gl-2.

Sony DCR-VX2100 for $1,679.00 (just need to worry about extended warranty)
http://www.cameratopia.com/products.asp?product_id=11978
Posted: Fri, 5th Mar 2004, 1:38pm

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Serdar3500 wrote:

What I would like to know is how all these teenagers get their hands on GL2/Xl1/VX2100/etc. cameras.
22 hrs a week at the local grocery store my friend. It all adds up... Plus, while I was saving for my GL-2, I would write "GL-2" on my hand before I went to work. When it got really stressful or whatnot, I would look at my hand and imagine myself holding my new cam smile
Posted: Fri, 5th Mar 2004, 3:34pm

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Actually, if this is his first digital video camera, I wouldn't go for something as advanced as a XL1s, a XM2 or a sony VX2100. Maybe something cheaper just to start with. I had a friend hwo buyed a XM2, filmed 1 movie (that's right, 1 movie) then laid the camera away and thought that movie-making was boring.

Anyway it's your choice.
Posted: Fri, 5th Mar 2004, 9:35pm

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Redhawksrymmer wrote:

Actually, if this is his first digital video camera, I wouldn't go for something as advanced as a XL1s, a XM2 or a sony VX2100. Maybe something cheaper just to start with. I had a friend hwo buyed a XM2, filmed 1 movie (that's right, 1 movie) then laid the camera away and thought that movie-making was boring.

Anyway it's your choice.
tell him to send it to me
Posted: Fri, 5th Mar 2004, 10:28pm

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That's cool. It would take me 4 months of saving up if I were to buy nothing for 4 months, which I can't do, heh. Realistically it would take me about 8 months, which I don't think is worth it. I'll stick to my ZR for now and buy a prosumer camera when I get lucky.
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Brettsta wrote:

Redhawksrymmer wrote:

Actually, if this is his first digital video camera, I wouldn't go for something as advanced as a XL1s, a XM2 or a sony VX2100. Maybe something cheaper just to start with. I had a friend hwo buyed a XM2, filmed 1 movie (that's right, 1 movie) then laid the camera away and thought that movie-making was boring.

Anyway it's your choice.
tell him to send it to me
Will do.
Posted: Thu, 18th Mar 2004, 12:48am

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I bought a camera (Olympus C-750) from Digital Kings last month and had no problems (basically I wasnt forced into getting junk I dont need). I'm planning on calling them soon for a plasma tv , they're prices look very low, $2000 below what I found at best buy yesterday.
Posted: Thu, 18th Mar 2004, 3:14am

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Just as a reminder, you cant buy a vx2100 for less than $2,000. anything below that is always the non-warrantied, "international" version with no original accessories at all. You basically get that camera at thats it. and often times they are refurbished. simply not worth it if your buying a high quality camera