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Career in Crime Introductory Trailer

Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 12:39pm

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This is the first official trailer for Career in Crime, a feature length crime epic settled within the life of a respected hitman, working for two opposing crime families in a seedy underworld of a run down city. This particuliar trailer contains footage from the first half hour of the film, therefore it will be referred to as the 'Introductory' trailer for Career in Crime. Another "offical" trailer will be released several weeks before the actual debut of Career in Crime sometime in the upcoming month of April, or perhaps at the end of March 2004. Please enjoy and thank you for your interest in us!

Disclaimer:The trailer, as well as all of our future movies require windows media player and DivX 51.1 in order to be viewed correctly. You can dload the free version of DivX here...http://divx.com
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Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 4:52pm

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I was kinda expecting a gritty crime drama... Should have known better.

Some of the action sequences look alright, when others look really bad. It looks as though your footage is de-interlaced, but not your effects, which is extremely distracting.

Can't comment on the acting, really, but, even without dialogue, it appeared that some of the acting was rather forced. I'll have to hear the lines to go with the motions though.

I'm not sure if I can really believe that a couple teenagers in sweatshirts are in the mafia, nor can I really believe that a couple teenagers in suits are, but again, that'll likely change with the full movie.

The music choice was (a) over used, and (b) inappropriate for the subject matter. Although, I can't help but like that song, no matter how much I hate it... Interesting.

I felt that perhaps this could have used less action scenes, more fluid editing (meaning that some of it didn't really flow. ie. a shot of a guy talking to someone else, then someone firing machine guns.), and perhaps a more dramatic tune to accent the plot devices. Of course, it's not my movie.

Oh, one last thing... I think I noticed a FEW tripod shots... Try to get more.

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Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 6:09pm

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Aculag, first of all I would just like to ask you not to post if you don't know what your talking about. I will explain. To start out with you said you noticed several tripod shots, but very few...we never used a tripod. Second, you said the music was over used? How could it be overused if it is the only song IN the trailer? And if you don't like the song and how it flows with the trailer, don't take it out on the attraction itself. The acting was forced? I cannot see what your talking about at all there. Also your saying how a couple of teenagers cannot pass as mobsters? Of course not man, couldn't agree with you more...but do a couple of 5 year old boys from that Star Wars Perdition movie pass as jedis fighting in space? Could some canadian dudes from the Pharmacide movie pass as druglords? No, were just a couple of friends working on a project, just like the other couple hundred on this site. So please...next time back up your criticism before you post. By the way, about twenty or so people that we know who are not involved in this movie have seen the trailer and love it. Thank you.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 7:00pm

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Listen, bud. If you were expecting a wave of excellent reviews, your mind is in the wrong place. Don't act like I should have known everything about this right off the bat. What exactly did you exepct?

About the "tripod shots". Ok, maybe it's just that some of the shots are really nice and steady. You ought to take that as a compliment instead of an insult.

I say the music is overused NOT because it's overused in YOUR trailer, but because it's used in a LOT of other stuff. You're acting incredibly self centered.

Don't tell me to back up my criticism before I post. The only thing I've ever seen from you is this trailer. Do you want me to go look into your family's background? How exactly am I supposed to back up my criticisms, when I know nothing about the film or the making of the film, other than what I see in this trailer?

When someone gives you a criticism, do not tell them they don't know what they're talking about. Discuss it. I'm interested to see the finished product, and I gave you some constructive critcisms. Deal with it. Don't take offence.

I don't care what other people think about your trailer. I care about what I think of it and what it says to me personally. So I gave you critiques. What'd you post it for if you didn't want critcism?
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 7:40pm

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Ok thank you for your constructive criticism, now if you would please back up what you had first posted, just to see what your views actually are.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 7:47pm

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I wasn't expecting a wave of excellent reviews,but some of your criticism is very illogical. For example the remark about us not looking the part...let's be honest, for the most part NO ONE looks the part they play in they're movies on this site. There mostly just kids. Thats why these movies are what they are and where they are. Also you said you didn't agree with the way the trailer flowed from an action sequence to a talking sequence...that is one of the most professional things about the trailer. If you have ever seen a trailer, it doesnt show just the main hype of the movie, but many diffrent aspects of it, which I believe was captured very well. However I do appreciate your concern but next time,don't expect to get immediate praise from someone you just bashed without complimenting.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 7:53pm

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Aculag wrote:

I was kinda expecting a gritty crime drama... Should have known better.

Some of the action sequences look alright, when others look really bad. It looks as though your footage is de-interlaced, but not your effects, which is extremely distracting.

Can't comment on the acting, really, but, even without dialogue, it appeared that some of the acting was rather forced. I'll have to hear the lines to go with the motions though.

I'm not sure if I can really believe that a couple teenagers in sweatshirts are in the mafia, nor can I really believe that a couple teenagers in suits are, but again, that'll likely change with the full movie.

The music choice was (a) over used, and (b) inappropriate for the subject matter. Although, I can't help but like that song, no matter how much I hate it... Interesting.

I felt that perhaps this could have used less action scenes, more fluid editing (meaning that some of it didn't really flow. ie. a shot of a guy talking to someone else, then someone firing machine guns.), and perhaps a more dramatic tune to accent the plot devices. Of course, it's not my movie.

Oh, one last thing... I think I noticed a FEW tripod shots... Try to get more.

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OK! Some of the action sequences looked alright, but some didn't. It looks like your footage is interlaced but not the effects. Notice, I say it LOOKS LIKE. Not it DEFINITELY IS. Why don't you tell me?

Since I can't hear the dialogue, I can only go off of gestures, and having being trained in acting myself, I have a generally good knowledge of how people look when they are "forcing" their roles/lines/what have you. There are a few shots in which it looks like this is occurring. Why don't you tell me?

We've discussed the kids in sweatshirts thing, so I'll give it a rest. Even though you don't see me going around telling people how believable they were as a drug kingpin, do you?

I've also gone over the music thing.

The part about the editing is self explanatory. Just read it again.

So, the way I see it, my original post "backed myself up" quite well. I'm not really sure what exactly you want me to back up, since all I did was make comments. Why don't you tell me?

Ps. Are you going to make everyone who posts about this back up their critiques?

EDIT: Ok. Again IT'S JUST MY OPINION! You need to change your definition of "bashing" because I do not see a single instance of bashing in my entire post. I can't say "OMG THAT WAS THE BEST THING I'VE EVER SEEN!!!!!!!!!!!1" Because that's not how I feel about it.

And I'm not expecting "praise" from you. Why should I? It does however seem that you are expecting praise from everyone else, which, if you are posting in a public forum, and putting your movie on display in a public place, you should never ever do.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 8:05pm

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Ill ask you again than.....explain HOW and in WHAT scenes the acting looks "forced", and what do you mean by it being interlaced?
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 8:19pm

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Jesus. You should have just said that in the first place! biggrin

Ok, the shot of the dude sitting on the couch at 26 seconds. Wearing the red sweatshirt. To me, that looks like someone said "Action." and he THEN put himself into character, thus forcing his actions. That's one example. Now don't go off on me for not knowing what I'm talking about, because I'm just going off of seeing that 2 second clip without any dialogue or anything.

At 35 seconds, there is a shot of two guys hugging in the street. It looks to me that they did not want to hug at all, to look macho or something, so their movements look very stiff, and not like two people hugging.

At 1.08 there is another shot of guys hugging who look like they don't want to touch eachother because they want to remain cool when they walk down the halls at school.

These are the examples I noticed. Sorry that it looks that way to me and not to you, but that's my opinion, and I reserve my right to have my own, thanks.

Interlacing!

Interlaced footage is what your camera probably shoots in. It's 2 fields, an even and an odd. These two fields combined make your video image. When presented on a computer screen, these fields are visible, so by de-interlacing your footage, you get a smoother image, with none of these strange jaggies. In your trailer, the muzzle flashes in the outdoor shots look like they are not de-interlaced, but the footage is. Look and see for yourself. They look like they have transparent bars on them, but the background footage doesn't. That's what I mean.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 8:24pm

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the actors were supreme! the interlacn of the film made it progress n interestn! after graduatn from the arts academy n workn exclusivly w/ films i conclude tht the filmmakers (givn the oputunity n equipment) made a gr8t film.. disregard tht rubbish from a peer.. n keep up the gr8t filmin.. btw rnt u guys like only 16 tht was sucha good film n it looks like u guys had lotsa fun makn it so thts good also its not makn a profit its jst 4 fun!

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Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 8:26pm

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I agree, the actor who I hug (I am the one who you see happy hugging my friend in the second hug) does look a bit stiff in the first hug. Walking down the halls of school is just wrong, I don't know where your coming from but I'm not going to argue. Finally our friend who plays the "Irish friend", what you said is totally wrong. Yes, yes I understand you don't know for sure whats going on, but that footage is actually taken smack in the middle of his shot. Personally I think thats one of the better shots of him talking, looks very natural. So, that clears that up. THank you for your time Aculag.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 8:50pm

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Movieguy5, if you want to get low ratings then the best way to do it is to start arguing with someone trying to give you constructive critism, others will see it and have a bad taste in their mouths when they watch the film.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 9:00pm

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Anonymous wrote:

the actors were supreme! the interlacn of the film made it progress n interestn! after graduatn from the arts academy n workn exclusivly w/ films i conclude tht the filmmakers (givn the oputunity n equipment) made a gr8t film.. disregard tht rubbish from a peer.. n keep up the gr8t filmin.. btw rnt u guys like only 16 tht was sucha good film n it looks like u guys had lotsa fun makn it so thts good also its not makn a profit its jst 4 fun!
Wow... This coming from someone that "graduatd" from "The" arts academy saying that the interlacing of the film made it "progress n interestn".

That's hilarious!
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 9:01pm

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I agree with Aculag on some of the acting. However, some did seem well done, like in the shot at 43 seconds.

I have a few suggestions:

1. Use a tripod on the still shots.

2. Don't have shots with people talking, but no audio. It sort of gives it an effect of a highlight video or montage thing or something.

3. Put other sounds in there, having just the music sort of made it seem more like a music video or something.

4. Alot of the shots were just of the people walking, sitting, or talking. Put some more interesting stuff in the next trailer.

Again, these are just suggestions, I think the final movie should be good.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 9:06pm

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Rating: +1

Aculag wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

the actors were supreme! the interlacn of the film made it progress n interestn! after graduatn from the arts academy n workn exclusivly w/ films i conclude tht the filmmakers (givn the oputunity n equipment) made a gr8t film.. disregard tht rubbish from a peer.. n keep up the gr8t filmin.. btw rnt u guys like only 16 tht was sucha good film n it looks like u guys had lotsa fun makn it so thts good also its not makn a profit its jst 4 fun!
Wow... This coming from someone that "graduatd" from "The" arts academy saying that the interlacing of the film made it "progress n interestn".

That's hilarious!
I agree, that guy is saying that its amazing that 16 year olds made this film (implying that he is at least 20) and yet its almost impossible to read his typing. I think this is an attempt to make this film look good. Not that its a bad film, its just a low down trick to try to pull.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 10:00pm

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Your film seems like it could use a little work, but as the other person said for a younger produced film this looks good! I definetly want to see the entire film when it's finished being edited and cut. One comment the person in charge of filming is really getting good action seem angles. Haha.. not even sure if they are supposed to be like the one 43 second, but I kinda liked it! I'll keep contacting you, hoping for the final posted film, or however you are distributing them. I can get you into the public if you are interested..

--Film Critic
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 10:02pm

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HEY MATTY~> i finally got 2 c ur film LOOOOOOOVED IT!.. can't wait 2 c it all 2gthr n shit .. lol watch whn i submit this it changes 2 poo hahaha sry im gay like tht n find it funny shit FUCK mwah bye
--jules
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sorry, I don't speak AOL. English translation please.

I agree with Aculag. That song is overused in a lot of trailers and other such stuff. Its an ok song heard once or twice, but after that...

The interaction between the mob people didn't seem, pardon the term, mobbish enough. Let me explain. In the Godfather and Sopranos, which I'm guessing is your inspiration, the movements are slow and deliberate, such as hugging. Looks like your a bunch of hyperactive teens to me.

There were too many action scenes, and no dialogue at all. Instead of telling everyone what the plot is with words on the screen, throw in some bits of dialogue that might explain it. And less action.

The actors act as if there is a camera in front of them. Obviously there is, but you gotta train them so they act as if there wasn't a camera. That'll cut down on some of the forced actions.

At the end, don't put in introductory trailer! We know its a trailer, and we don't care what kind of trailer it is.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 10:52pm

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Alright, thanks for the comments guys. As to the whole "I graduated from film school thing", that was one of our actor's cousins. To be honest she really has graduated from a film school in North Carolina, however you could just say thats her "AOL type talk". Anyway, as to the CONSTRUCTIVE criticism that Aculag posted before, i did not mean to be over offensive however, I must admit this is the first movie I have ever put on this site, so I wasn't expecting THAT much criticism from any one person. Thank you for your support and please continue to wait for our production.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 10:54pm

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I'm not waiting any longer. It's now or never.

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Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 11:01pm

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I love this song, but so does everyone. If you were the first to use it, it would fit well. Anyway, what I noticed: GUNS: Stop chambering your gun in every shot. Maybe people think it looks cool, but it just makes you look like a a kid with a new toy. When an actor draws from under his coat, it looked like he's holding a dead rat. Make him be more assertive, keep his wrist solid, (like the guy in the red shirt, that looked better) keep the danger end pointed AWAY from himself, and keep it ready to shoot.. Pros keep their guns ready at all times. And stop looking down the front of it:) Bad idea in the real world. You have good props, the story will be explained later I guess, I'm interested to hear the dialogue.
Disclaimer: I know my movies are bad, but I know when something looks natural or "forced"
Also, Aculag may come off a little strong sometime to some, but that's because he knows what he's talking about. Use his comments, learn from him. Posting a movie is asking for comments, assuming everyone will ooh and ahh is silly. Keep it up, the final should be fun.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 11:22pm

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Taht was the absolute best thing I've ever seen in my life, it's way better than DXM and The Test. Keep up the GREAT work, you have got potential. About what Aculag said, don't mind him he is a retard. The interlacing gave it a scanline feel and the acting was the best on this site! Can't wait for the final product!







Heh, gotcha biggrin
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This didnt do it for me. The effects werent deinterlaced. I felt you had no thing showing that you were in a mob. Maybe you were going to a wedding or something, just with guns wink. Suits dont mean Mafia if you dont have comments to bakc that up. Also, invest in a tripod. Dont trying holding it and not shaking. Also, dont shoot in the sun. The effects of it arnt pretty. Every shot had one angle, when they should have a few. Its all about angles and pace. I say 2. Hope the final movie will be good! The trailer is not bad, not at all tho. Good luck with it!

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What?! How did the interlacing give it a scanline feel?! To get that, you would apply scanlines to the whole picture. And I guess you haven't watched any movies on here if you think the acting is the best, it wasn't horrible but it could be better.

Movieguy, I'm not pointing fingers or anything, but four guests have posted awesome reviews of your movie. If these are your friends, then have them say that upfront. If it's you, well then, you need help... smile
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Lloyd66 wrote:

Movieguy, I'm not pointing fingers or anything, but four guests have posted awesome reviews of your movie. If these are your friends, then have them say that upfront. If it's you, well then, you need help... smile
How lame.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 11:37pm

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Yeah, I don't know who the guest is who is commenting over the movie. All I know is the first guest who wrote in "AOL type terms" was an actor's cousin. Other than that I don't know any of you. By the way, I can't understand how people are commenting over dialogue and acting when there is no actual dialogue to be heard.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 11:39pm

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movieguy5 wrote:

there is no actual dialogue to be heard.
Thats our point wink And body motions are acting as well.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 11:43pm

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Who commented on dialogue? Except for there not being any.

And I reckon the guests are someone you know, since they're not logged in, and they're the only ones saying anything ridiculously positive.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 11:45pm

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Alright than, tell me what do you think is the good acting and the bad?
Posted: Wed, 3rd Mar 2004, 11:51pm

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Notice the "Gotcha" at the end of my post... as in I was kidding.
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You're still a guest. So your comments mean nothing. Haha.
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I just downloaded this movie and it was pretty cool. i especially liked the part where the music picks up and the two guys are kicking the crap out of some other guy. I dunno i thought the music was pretty in tune with the trailer and the acting looked fine to me.

heh still, i guess yeah, a tripod at certain parts would spruce up the movie and maybe a little dialogue so we know whats going on, but I think its pretty obvious whats going on. Anyways, good job and I look forward to seeing the finished version. 4/5 from me.
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:32, Running very slow, for his life? After someone else running slowly?
I liked the kicking at :55
:56 looks funny, like he's crying "how dare you!"
1:06, Guy in white puts gun in left hands and runs away, why?
1:08, The hug is too fast, like you just want to get it over with, and you're laughing.
1:15, I liked this clip, bathtub, the other on the phone, this could be good.
1:35, He drops a match, no big deal, but did warrant a retake.


That's me, oh, and the gun comment above.
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Hi, I thought the trailer was decent. Although I do have to agree with the tripod statement although not a big deal. I have noticed peoples negative comments on the forum i do agree with some but its only the trailer I am going to wait and see how the finish product turns out befor I say anything. Other then that I wish you guys luck and hope it turns out well.
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I just noticed the framing. Compare the framing at 1:03 to 1:09 to 1:22. What's up?
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Do you mean that some of it is widescreen and some isn't? I noticed that.
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I can't really rate this high because it's just a sequence of shots, without informing us about the story or characters.

The subtitles talk about the hero but I don't know who the hero is meant to be visually.

Aculag is right about using tripods. Use them as much as you can, they're the only way you're going to simulate a big budget movie...unless you have a steady cam or a good flowing camerawork.

I liked the low shots, but felt the first shot could have been better (focusing on faces, the actors need to remain framed). The second one where the actors were kicking toward the camera was good, & where the guy throws a lit match at the camera. To make that more effective, use After Effects or an AlamDV plugin to create a good spark/light effect.

That's really all I can comment one, although I can say that it is technically vastly inferior (thus far) to The Test, Pharmacide and Dues Ex Machina. They cannot really be compared, anyway.

Hopefully your dialogue will be good and your audio, sound effects etc will be well done.

Good luck.
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That's what i meant, thanks.
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UGH....Evanescence...I hate that song. Though the timing worked with the song, I thought it made the whole thing look lame, that might just be me hating that song though. anyway, it looks alright. I see some pretty decent shots albeit a shakey camera. Looking forward to seeing the final product and hoping that song isnt in it
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Yes Bowie and Aculag, while editing, I purposely rendered one action scene in diffrent frames than the rest of the movie to compare quality, I think its quite obvious as to what frame size I will be using for the REAL movie when i render it. keep in mind this was just a test trailer and I havent even created the actual thing yet. Now Bowie some of your comments about the certain points in the trailer made me laugh, not that there mean or anything but some things are just diffrent, the way you perceived parts and all. For example...At 32 seconds the guy is running away, that is actually my character (Sal Coppolino) and I am running away from a breif firefight that I am simply not going to win-(you'll understand more after watching the movie.) At a 1:15, thats not a bathtub, thats a couch. At 1:08, the hug wasnt meant to be funny, were simply smiling because we are, in the movie happy to see eachother. Just watch any mob movie, guys hug...Plus we hugged because of the mood at that point of the movie, notice the first hug in the movie wasn't quite as "happy" due to the fact that something will occur very soon in the film that won't please us.
Posted: Thu, 4th Mar 2004, 12:30am

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This is Bowie, I'm laughing at myself. You're right, that's not a bath tub. (good) What I liked is one shooting and the other on the phone. The other things is what happens with trailers. out of context, it's hard to understand what is happening. Something that's funny in the final can just look goofy in a trailer.
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Really? Thats really the goal I was going for. The point of this trailer (yes yes I know you know) is just a test. I wasn't aiming for a whole introduction to the movie. I really just wanted to capture the diffrent elements of diffrent characters, as well as some of the action. However as I've said before, you will understand a lot more when the official trailer is released, which won't be long....and no, to those evanescance haters out there, we will not play Bring me to Life. LoL
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Not a bad first movie. (My first AlamDV movie wasn't done well at all)

I like your use of low angles and over the shoulder shots. And I thought the use of music to create the mood the trailer was pretty good. I thought that some of the camera movements were somewhat shaky, but I can't hold a camera steady to save my life. tard To contrast, I felt that your tilts and pans movements were solid (especially the shot at the 0:45 mark) .

The easiest thing I can see for you to improve on is the muzzle flashes. I JUST learned this from other AlamDV users, so I'm hoping that I can pass some information to you.

In addition to a muzzle flash, you can add a few more elements
1) A light source (using the light bulb plug in). This is done everytime a gun fires. User Sollthar explained that the gun essentially becomes a light source, so you want to put one there. I use white, but you might want to consider orange. I haven't experimented which color is better.

2) Occaisionally use the breath vapour plug in for gun smoke. User Aculag suggests using it sparingly.

User Sollthar also has some great tutorials that may be of use to you or spark some ideas for your final movie They are located here: http://www.nccinema.ch/ehome.html

I gave it a 3 out of 5, but don't take this as a negative comment in anyway. I have high hopes and expectations your final movie to be vastly improved. biggrin
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dude, you have a serious attitude. just read the above posts and couldnt stop laughing. you're getting so defensive about a trailer for a film that you have only just started making. of course the trailer is gonna be bad if you havent even made the film yet. just take aculags help and use it to benefit the rest of your film when you come to shoot it. don't expect people to be in awe of your film, take aculags hints and i bet it improves your film, so whats the problem?
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the actors were supreme! the interlacn of the film made it progress n interestn! after graduatn from the arts academy n workn exclusivly w/ films i conclude tht the filmmakers (givn the oputunity n equipment) made a gr8t film.. disregard tht rubbish from a peer.. n keep up the gr8t filmin.. btw rnt u guys like only 16 tht was sucha good film n it looks like u guys had lotsa fun makn it so thts good also its not makn a profit its jst 4 fun!
I can read license plates now!
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If you're not a gold member of FXHome then rating the movie 5 stars is not going to make any difference to the position.
Posted: Thu, 4th Mar 2004, 4:07pm

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chuter

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i notice you voted for yourself too...(sigh)
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lol, if u were running for office, and you were aloud to vote, would you not vote for yourself?
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i think its stupid when people get flak for voting on their own movies.
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It's also kinda stupid that no one ever votes anything but 5's on their movies. Noticed that?
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thats true, but i have seen people give them selves 2s,3s,4s, but yeah most people give themselves 5s but I see no problem with that
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It's a tainted view. The whole reason you put your movie up here is to see what other people think of it. So to give your movie a five to raise the rating sort of defeats the purpose.
Posted: Thu, 4th Mar 2004, 9:09pm

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yo you are 15 years or 16 years old, for being that young and making this movie that good u deserve a lot of credit, a lot more these guys are giving you anyway!
Posted: Thu, 4th Mar 2004, 9:42pm

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heh, may i say that the trailer i just viewed made the film look garbage, the trailer was garbage, but...
i really look forward to seeing the film razz biggrin
those costumes looked cool...and yes...the props cool razz biggrin cool those rifles looked soooooooooo cool,
but i disliked the style of the trailer.
(i suppose thats just me, i think evanessance sucks)
but i REALLY REALLY look forward ot the film
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So much 5 non-gold user votes. MovieGuy's friends obvs.. Guests, your votes dont count, and if u are a friend of movieguy or movieguy himself it only makes the movie look worse.
Posted: Thu, 4th Mar 2004, 11:56pm

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Brettsta, I don't know who you are or what your trying to prove but you are wrong. The only person so far who has voted as a guest was one of our actor's cousins. (The one with the "AOL" type lingo when she posted.)
As to all the other guests, I really have no idea who they are. It's very possible they are people on my AOL buddy list for I have the site linked off my profile, and they could of just wandered to the site and watched it. Please stop accusing me like all the others of voting for my own movie or something like that. It really isn't my fault I have friends who may have enjoyed my trailer...most people do.
Posted: Fri, 5th Mar 2004, 12:04am

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And movieguy, don't take ANY offence to this whatsoever, but when someone says something like what brettsta's said, there's no need to get all defensive about it. Maybe you don't know who they are, maybe you do. So what? Just let it sliiiiiiide.....
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Aculag, you of all people should know I get defensive lol
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Yeah, that's why I said that. You don't need to.
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movieguy5 wrote:

Aculag, you of all people should know I get defensive lol
well, um, dont smile
Posted: Fri, 5th Mar 2004, 12:44am

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I dont understand why all you people are complaining over all these little things. I beleave a forum is for talking about a movie or trailer in this case not talking about rateings or stars or other things. If you dont have anything to say about the movie why say it??
Posted: Fri, 5th Mar 2004, 12:45am

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well um i do, listen...this whole forum is about the trailer and your thoughts on the movie, not the little personal things your not already involved in, if you wanna spit on the movie, go right ahead. I have indeed taken some of Aculags advice and we are using the tripod more frequently now, and just taking it slowly, so unless you have something even remotley productive to say, than keep it to yourself.
Posted: Fri, 5th Mar 2004, 12:46am

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lol xstream knows what i am talking about, he is right though. If you are interested in the movie, speak about the movie, if not...don't bother coming back here
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And if you come back, the master will be forced to relase the hounds.
Posted: Fri, 5th Mar 2004, 1:03am

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lol yeah
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movieguy5 wrote:

well um i do, listen...this whole forum is about the trailer and your thoughts on the movie, not the little personal things your not already involved in, if you wanna spit on the movie, go right ahead. I have indeed taken some of Aculags advice and we are using the tripod more frequently now, and just taking it slowly, so unless you have something even remotley productive to say, than keep it to yourself.

movieguy5 wrote:

lol yeah
Because thats not contradicting your earlier comment or anything wink
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I dont understand it, like, if you do not like the movie, give it a bad vote, you dont have to go copy n pasting what movieguy says and mimic him..If you dont like it simply dont post anything...lol, why start with people you dont even know?? Its pointless, if you dont like it, goodbye....If you do, or have some advice, post it, ty if you did..if not..dont bash the living crap out of it and dont expect the person who put it on here not to be defenive. If it was your film you posted, you would be defensive too if people were bashing it...
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brettsta man, stop posting here. At least Aculag stuck around the other day because he wanted to seriously help me out, your just being an
as shole. If you've got nothing better to do than come back to a trailer post you hate and wait for me to post something new, than so be it, however just stop posting.
Posted: Fri, 5th Mar 2004, 1:21am

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I actually thought the trailer was alright. I'm not bashing it whatsoever.

If I posted a trailer and someone said, i didnt like it, i wouldnt say, Well you should! What are you talking about! Its the shiz. Id say, its your opinion, have any advice for me?

you see?
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g00dfe11a wrote:

If you dont like it simply dont post anything...
Ok, well that defeats the whole purpose of critique here.
Posted: Fri, 5th Mar 2004, 1:56am

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Ive got a technical question, if I was to buy a minidv camcorder (we've filmed career in crime with one) and use it on upcoming projects. If I wanted to film with both at one time and than edit both peices of footage onto my computer and just insert the diffrent points in to make it look more professional (like two camera views) is that basically all there is to it? And I can buy any minidv camera right,or should it be the same one as the one we use now.
Posted: Fri, 5th Mar 2004, 2:01am

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Any camera, just dont make it too much worse or better quality than what you have now. This way, the images will kinda flow, if you know what I mean. I prefer using 1 cam and moving it a bunch a times for views. Its a whole lot easier and you dont have to worry if another camera is in the shot, or uploading 2 sets of footage to your computer. This is just my opinion though.
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thats what weve been doing, problem is, the cameras always have a 2 1/2 second or so pause before they actually begin recording, so there a several parts of the movie that get slightly cut off, or one of our actors may begin speaking to late and it doesnt look as natural as it may look if it was just a straight convo with 2 cams.
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Yeah, thats the pro of two cams. You can cut in the middle of conversations.
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what do you mean cut in the middle of conversations?
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While somebody is talking, you can switch views without it sounding awkward.
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Using two cams is a great idea, but it's hard to cut them perfectly. What I do for dialogue scenes (with one camera) is to have my actors do the whole sequence each time, but film it from a few different angles. If they say the lines even remotely similar, then you will not have problems editing the scene. You can also then pick which angles you like at certain points. And if you dub over the dialogue in the end, it will flow perfectly together.
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Yeah Lloyd, basically you can pull off the talking cuts with slick editing.
Posted: Fri, 5th Mar 2004, 2:33am

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that seems like a lot of unessacary work, wouldnt it be easier to spend 300 bucks on a camcorder (the same one i already have) and put the two segments on my computer?
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well, youd have to find teh same spot on 2 different cameras, then alight then perfect timing. Eh, Im not really sure, but I know it would be more expensive.
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ive got the money, but if you think about it, all u do is have a primary camera and a secondary camera, u set them up perfectally and press the action button at the same time, than u bring the footage from both camcorders onto your PC and copy and paste the diffrent face shots for the appropriate audio section. Not that hard if you think about it. I think thats what I will do.
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Suggestion if you do that: Only use the audio track from one camera, so it wont switch from say a high level close up audio track to a low level farther away shot.
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definitley
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Hmm, yeah, it'd be interesting to see how it comes out. I recently did a scene with three actors talking, from three different angles, and was able to cut it almost flawlessly, even though the actors said their lines a bit different each time. So I guess if you spend enough time editing, you could save yourself $300.

Of course, that's just my opinion. Although you could get a lot of useful video stuff for that much money...
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You're spending equal amounts of time editng if you are either using 2 cameras and syncing them together, or using one camera and syncing them together. The 2 camera setup really only improves time in actual filming.
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Wow..theres alot of guests and people that suddenly decided to register on here the same day this trailer came out...ironically, all of them absolutely loved the movie, with no critiques whatsoever..... biggrin entertaining..
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mate, if you have two cameras, then editing between is easy. all you have to do is start the cameras rolling on the two people talking. get a clapper board or something similar. then clap it, wait 2 or 3 secconds then get them to start acting. then in post, cut the beginning section of each cameras footage out to the point where the clapper board hits, and then you have them starting at the same point. easier than trying to synchronise both cameras on location. thats just silly! also, you sound pretty loaded for a 16 year old if you can just shrug of $300 just to avoid doing more set ups with one camera. ( dont get me wrong, i'd love to have two cameras, but i dont think i'll ever have the money for another canonxl1 again. even if i did, i dont think i could justify spending that much again ) hope this helps
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I thought this could have been improved. First of all, there was no soundwork... it was just pictures with music, that had no real connection to the picture... No soundeffects, no nothing. That always seems very cheap to me.

The camera was okay, so was the editing.

The font looked a bit simple though. I'm no fan of "white font with black background" in a trailer I must say... There lacks motion. And if you do that, try to move your font, if even a little. Gives it a bit more of a "cinema feeling", cause film is motion.


The main point this trailer lacks though is story information or anything that gets you "in to it". There was nothing in the trailer that made me want to watch the full movie unfortunately. And thats what a trailer should do... sad
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I definitley agree Solthar. At first, my friends and I were very impressed and satisfied with the the trailer, and even though we still are, I have found that this trailer does lack in story and background. Keep in mind this was just the intro trailer, and the official one (which will be out sometime in the following week) will be much more in depth, and you will most likely appreciate the editing and sfx than, as well as the movie itself when you see the actual trailer.
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Rating: -1

It seems that this is the worst trailer on this site. The clip lacks in every aspect of being good, not to mention the song that does not go with the trailer. The acting is horrible, and i cant get over the short kids face when he was kicking whoever that was on the floor. The short fellow seems to ruin every seen, including the friendly "hug" which seems forced. The gun battles are to fake, for noone goes around swing there weapon wildly in diffrent directions, hoping to hit someone. Lay down the guns, then lay down the camera, and maybe you will save yourself from alot of wasted time, and humiliation.
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Guests who post trash about movies are wimps.
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fandango...rot in hell
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anther thing fandango, I happen to be the short kid your ripping on, and I can tell you right now you have NO idea what your talking about. Dont go around posting about other peoples movies unless you have at least something reasonable to say. the face thing makes the movie u little shiit,if you dont like the trailer...dont post and give it one star. Until I see one of your movies, and its hands the greatest movie on this site, stfu and dont talk again. btw, if it was the worst trailer on the site...than i guess it wouldnt have 3 stars would it. Just shut up fandango, you really have no say.
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Dont mind fandango movieguy. Every one gets a guest bashing, simply because theres an idiot kid behind the computer with no identity. Just ignore it, hes a moron smile
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Don't let people like fandango make you dislike this site! Keep on makin' movies, they get better as you go. I made comments about this film that weren't all positive, BUT, it was so much better than what you would think just by reading this through this topic. Piling on isn't cool guys. Be honest, but a paragraph repeating words like terrible, horrable blah blah blah is like typing something like, "Hi, I'm Bill, and I'm stupid"
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I agree, the song does not really go along with the trailer, but the effects look good, im looking forward to seeing this movie in its fullest. Hope everything comes out as you expect it to be....GL
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Update, Career In Crime will be up on this site very very soon... Although it is very big i recommend downloading it..
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FInally, someone makes a parody of gangster movie! about time guys.