Posted: Tue, 9th Mar 2004, 11:54am
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|Something a little different for FXHome, in more ways than one. A story without dialogue, about seizing the moment, very much complementing the 3 pieces of music that we use.|
The plugins are very subtle. I think that plugins shouldn't be outrageously easy to spot...heh
Some of the scenes are repetitive, I know, & I'm already aware of 2 "mistakes" we made (though both were done consciously in the edit).
--Windows Media; watch it in small resolution
I can compress it more if people wish
Posted: Tue, 9th Mar 2004, 1:40pm
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That is some damned fine work!
I couldn't find a plugin for love nor money tho - do explain where they are.
There were some areas of weirdness, which i'm sure were deliberate coz they're pretty damned obvious, but in that case i'm just a bit confused what was meant to be hapenning. Specifically the scene in the band-stand, where hes on his own, then she joins him, they hug, then suddenly WOAH! flashes of weirdness and shes not there, then she appears again? wtf?
In retrospect, perhaps you were hinting that he was actually alone, and it was still a dream, but it didn't feel like that. The end of the dream was very obvious, so if that *was* supposed to be a hint, i don't think it was done very well. If it was meant to link to the music in some way, it wasn't great either. Perhaps i've missed the point.
My only other qualm with filming, is with the angle-changes during the split-screen bit. The splitting worked a treat, but then the content of the left pane suddenly changed to the same as the right, and it seemed rather ugly and abrupt. I'd have gone for a quick fade, myself, or perhaps a merge of the frames; but then what do i know.
My final point is less pedantic: it was damned long! As a standalone story, it still felt like a scene from a larger film, and as both a standalone AND a scene, it dragged on. The feeling of "giddy-in-love-childlike-tomfoolery" faded, for me, about 1.5 minutes before the strawberry scene, which was itself another minute before the end of the dream. I think cutting down the dreamsequence content wouldn't have had a bad impact, specifically the frolicking in the snow bit.
Films which do the "giddy in love" thang, tend to make it all quite intense...both in speed of whats hapenning, in quality of tomfoolery, and also in brevity of dream. The result is that going back to the real world is so much more juxtaposed. I think perhaps you left it going so long because you thought it would aid the comparison, but unfortunately it only served to bore me slightly.
My points are, however, pretty unimportant, as this was still a great piece of film-making. 5 stars.
Posted: Tue, 9th Mar 2004, 1:54pm
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I used light effects, light bulbs & flares, namely about 40 seconds in (orange glow in top left), in the end part where he is walking away from the camera, in the tropical-like place & various other places...
Thanks very much for your comments. I agree it needs tightening up...but basically we decided on the music before the filming so the music sort of decided how long it is. I will try & edit it a bit tighter though.
The band stand thing is on purpose...it isn't linking to the music, but it is meant to be a sort of back to reality signal...like here's him & her, then here's him all by himself, which is as it really is, & then here they are together again. I'm glad you picked up on it, some people I showed it to didn't really notice it. I agree it could be done better, I think I used the wrong dissolve which made it look a little weird.
The split-screen is meant to be that way, showing her walking away in both frames. I quite like the dutch tilts myself, & the split screen has a purpose because it is each of their pov's, looking back at different moments. Both of them feel a sense of loss, deja vu, of missing something. The guy feels it more, that's why we show him looking at the camera at the end & have him as the subject of the final shots of the film.
Posted: Tue, 9th Mar 2004, 2:15pm
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Great stuff. Hugely effective film, left me feeling very sad and depressed at the end.
The ending had all the power and impact that it should have had, which was good.
I agree with Xcession that it is a bit too long, although it didn't bother me as much. Use of music was inspired, some unusual pieces in there that really helped to sell it - rather than the usual cliched tracks that everybody uses. Using music that at once sounded familiar and yet were completely new to me really helped to identify them with this movie - I'll always think of them in this context now, should I hear them again (in much the same way that Kubrick and Tarantino use music in a way that irrevocably associates that piece with the film forever onwards).
Can't wait to see what you do next.
Posted: Tue, 9th Mar 2004, 6:04pm
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Nice piece of work! a warm lovely feeling over it, romantic!
The music was well chosen, original, if I ever hear that song again I'll think of this film!
The only negative was that the heartbeat was to loud..
Keep them comming!
Posted: Tue, 9th Mar 2004, 8:26pm
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Audio tracks for this is well done. The filming style is great. It is different from most fxhome films, it seems to be quite original. This is great, I love it.
Posted: Wed, 10th Mar 2004, 2:50am
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Very nice. Looks like you had access to some nice equipment as the colors seemed vibrant. Was that a 3 chip camera?
I liked the story and how you composed the shots. I thought it was a creative idea.
So, my question is when do we get to see something new from you? It appears you have an eye for shooting and editing. I'm looking forward to your next post.
Posted: Wed, 10th Mar 2004, 11:29am
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Thanks for all the generous comments, I appreciate them.
Is this the first snog on FXHome?!
--Xcession, appreciate yours, because you pick out all the bad points, & I find that really helpful.
--Tarn, I am really thrilled it had this effect on you
--Andreas, glad you liked it. I'm a romantic
, maybe we all are
I'm not sure about the heartbeat, I tried to make it just right so that it wasn't crowded out by the other noises
--foxikus, thanks a lot! Lovely jubbly
--ragnar, thanks for positive comments on the shooting style & editing. I tried to make it very flowing, steady & distinctive, that paralleled the music as much as possible. That's why my favourite shot has to be the speeded up shot of the girl with her hands over her eyes, because it seems to work great with the music.
Yes, it is a 3CCD camera. I'm impressed you noticed that, considering the quality of compression. I did grade the footage though, in After Effects, to get away from the "super-real" look that 3 chip can give footage.
More films from me will be posted up soon when I get the time...essays essays essays
Posted: Wed, 10th Mar 2004, 6:07pm
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Bud Chipowski here,
Very impressed by your picture. I think so many of the great directors, tarn mentioned Tarantino and Kubrick, have the ability to use music to great effect as an important part of their arsenal. Scorsese and Hitchcock (both who used Bernard Herrman at some point) are two others worth mentioning.
Cinematography exceptional. Great to see a film covering such a subject on this site. I think a lot of people can relate to it. Carpe diem indeed.
Nice to see Durham on film - I performed there last summer at the Cathedral in a production of Romeo and Juliet. Bought books from that Waterstones and ate at that Subway I believe. (it is Durham isn't it or am I just being a fool?)
Very impressed by your film. I hope you are all successful as filmmakers, writers, actors, and everything else. Really good.
Posted: Wed, 10th Mar 2004, 7:50pm
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Hey Bud, thanks for your praise. Our working title was Carpe Diem, but it sounded too pretentious for the final name
I love the way the directors you & Tarn mention work with music, especially Kubrick & Hitchcock. The Eyes Wide Shut, Barry Lyndon & 2001 music are fantastic in the way they are a part of the visuals for me...& Vertigo, Psycho & North By Northwest are the same. I love Bernard Hermann's music, especially Vertigo & the 2 Cape Fears
Yep, it's Durham - in fact it says in the credits, thanks to Durham Botanic Gardens
(which are fantastic btw, as a setting for films)
Oh, the Waterstone's! Manys the time I've been in there & bought an overpriced book. And Subway. It's an institution, it really is
I buy a baguette from there once a week if I can afford it.
Thanks again for your words, & good luck with your acting career (Durham Cathedral must have been a fantastic place to perform)
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2004, 3:41pm
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The film is now back online (after my website was destroyed, by a hacker I suspect).
Inform me if the connection is slow or anything as this is an untested host.
My website will be back up soon too.
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2004, 4:47pm
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Typically romantic movies don’t move me but your film feel was undeniably present—which is sometime difficult to accomplish. A good part of the film look professional done. Good angles—I didn’t get bored. The plethora of good angles and style was nicely done. The negatives I had was the heart beat seem low grade and cut off was abrasive (sound: heart) and the water drop on the screen was a distractive.
Overall, the motion, the feel, the angles, the acting, and originality was good. I’ve couldn’t done it better. I learned something on this one. Awaiting on your next film.
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2004, 10:33pm
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I can't watch this on my mac... Do you think you could compress it with a quicktime codec and post that as well? That'd be great. But otherwise, does anyone know any player for OSX that will play this?
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2004, 11:48pm
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Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 12:08am
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pooky wrote:Windows Media Player 9....
Aha! Thanks. I didn't know there was an upgrade.
EDIT: Great job, mel. The only thing I can say that I didn't really like was the sound editing. The music was used effectively, but the way it just stopped when the heartbeat started was a bit jarring. Other than that, this was very good. The whole thing after the two meet reminded me of watching old home movies from the 50's and 60's of couples. That sort of thing really captures romance well. And this was quite like that.
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 5:07pm
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wow, this wasn't anything like I expected. The picture for the movie with the girl playing hide and go seek got me to think it was some person weeping. when you said it was a little different for fxhome, you were right.
This movie was very well done. the cinematography and the way to film matches up with the music worked beautifully.
I really like the idea of using no words to tell a story (kind of like in that kenna music video where all they used were shoes to tell a story) as this movie breaks through language barriers into something everyone can enjoy and understand.
when I started watching this, I was't that impressed in the beginning, but quickly saw that this movie was so well shot, and the idea in it was un-used (on this site at least), and I was going to give it a 4, but after watching the whole thing and soaking it up, i decided to give it a 5
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 5:57pm
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I gave it a 4 because after a while when the same things happen over and over it gets boring.
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 10:44pm
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Thanks for the comments.
--Aculag, do you mean the first heartbeat introduction? I did do a fade there but it could have been a slower fade, I can see that. Thanks for the positives, I wanted the middle sequence to be a montage with a timeless quality to it & with a playful style, though I do not know whether I was directly influenced by 50s & 60s movies.
--Waser, thanks for your intelligent insights about what having no dialogue does for a film, I totally agree. My next one will have dialogue, so it will be different & obviously not be so universal as this one, although hopefully people will understand the story. Glad you enjoyed it.
Slick, sorry you found it boring but I understand (as I put in the intro, some of the scenes are repetitive). Probably the 3 bits in the snow - snowball fight, the running scene where the man falls over, & the run down the hill. Personally, I liked the snowball fight & the run down the hill, because they fit in very well with the music & I liked the way I shot them - the running & fall over was probably unnecessary.
Posted: Sun, 14th Mar 2004, 6:01am
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Great job Mel. It really projected the human emotions quite well. The end really got to me. The middle montage really gets you connected with the characters and then... BAM! Nice Style. Keep the good work comin'.
Posted: Sun, 14th Mar 2004, 6:21am
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It was ok, but I dunno I just wasn't into it.
Posted: Sun, 14th Mar 2004, 10:09am
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Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2004, 10:42pm
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HEY, GREat job man. I thought you had a great editing style and a great sense of human emotion. A little confusing at the end though, was the entire movie what could have happened if he stopped to ask the time. that mask sense . i liek dit alot.
Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2004, 10:56pm
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Thanks, I'm glad you liked it
You are right regarding your conclusions of what it is about...
Have you ever walked past a girl and for one second feeling something going on between you both? And then a moment later...it's gone. But what if? This is what the film is about.
Posted: Wed, 17th Mar 2004, 3:13am
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Well done Mel! The movie seemed more like an expierence rather than a story until up until the ending complication presented itself. At first I was a little skeptical wether 6 minutes of a couple flirting would be worth the time however I proved wrong.
The shots such as them fighting in the snow and that fantastic shot of the spinning platform kept the movie fresh and left me wanting to watch more. I was waiting on some sort of complication to arise and was completely caught off guard when it did.
The opening shots with the music was great; there was a lot of great shots in there and established the setting well.
My only critism is that it's very cliche to introduce characters to each other by having them bump in to eachother. I have seen it happen it a lot of movies and it seems rather lazy. For example it might have been better if he dropped something, went to pick it up, and she was standing in front of him when he stood up. However the editing as they walked by saved it from being too cliche since it established some chemistry between them.
I'm defitnely looking forward to some more movies!
Posted: Wed, 17th Mar 2004, 9:25am
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Thanks for the praise, krazyk
It was pretty difficult trying hard to not fall into cliche & cheesy traps (strawberries anyone?), & the meet was no exception. We thought long & hard about how they would meet. We did think of having her drop her purse or something, but then we decided to go for what seemed to us to look the most flowing & (admittedly) easier for us to film.
One reason, too, is that the film's about seizing the moment, & if we introduced an accidental element (such as a dropped bag) that is the factor for their interaction, then this places the responsibility for their not getting together on a chance event rather than on the characters taking a chance with each other.
Posted: Wed, 17th Mar 2004, 9:30am
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I've had mainly praise here apart from Xcession's post
& a few other minor negative criticisms - I'd appreciate comments from the people who did not like it too.
Posted: Wed, 17th Mar 2004, 8:21pm
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Well, alot of the footage had a very "stock-type" feeling to it. I felt like I was watching an advertisment.
Posted: Thu, 18th Mar 2004, 9:49am
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Out of interest, what kind of advertisement & advertising what?
Oh, & had a few enquiries about what was used in the making of the film, so here goes:
--3CCD Panasonic NVDX110 camcorder, wide lens, tripod, monopod
--Adobe Premiere, After Effects, AlamDV, AuraDV videopaint & Puremotion's EditStudio
recommend getting a MONOPOD. It's far quicker to use for some stationary shots (although I still recommend doing most shots with a tripod), & saves time because it's easier to set up. It's nice & easy to pan, you just twist the whole thing, unlike a tripod. Unless you can afford a great tripod made of strong metal, your pans may jitter. Not with a monopod. E.G. of pan in Glimpse with monopod is where they run down the hill.
It also works well as a camera steady for moving shots. E.G. of this in Glimpse is the whole hide-&-seek scene, & the moving through the trees at the end.
Posted: Sun, 21st Mar 2004, 9:08pm
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It was pretty good, I tend to like to know what people are saying when they are talking to each other, but the point came across fairly well. Good job.B S & H B Productions
Posted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2004, 8:54am
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A tad to long.
Great acting, good directing, ( shame about rain on lens )
nice and handled well.
Posted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2004, 10:14am
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This one is a bit difficult to me.
I thought the idea was great, a good change to see something different here on fxhome then another gunfight or lightsabrebattle.
The storyidea was creative and I really like the title. I like titles that have some sort of meaning that connects them to the film in more ways than just a description, wich I felt was the case here.
The acting was good, wich is what I liked a lot. The lovers really came across as such and did have a great time as it felt, wich was vital to the whole drama in the film of course.
The sounddesign was a bit simple, as you decided to rely on music pretty much only. But it worked quite well in the context!
There were two things I did have a bit of trouble with.
For one, most of the cinematography was very very well executed. Then on the other hand, there were some shots wich were unnecessarily shakey and made me remember instantly that I'm looking at an amateurmovie, wich many other shots have let me forget completely.
I really liked the idea of the splitscreen when they pass each other, that was a great idea and nicely done!
The other part was the dramaturgy. I felt 7 minutes was too long to see "random" parts of some lovers life. I thought you should either have shortened that part down or have somekind of chronological substory going on to keep it interesting. It seemed a bit random to me right now.
All in all I think this is a very good piece of work though and I hope we get more films like this!
I'd give it a 4,5 if I could. Seeing I can't, I won't vote it because I feel neither a 4 nor a 5 would be appropriate...
Posted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2004, 5:04pm
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Thanks for your comments.
Firstly, vote for the film what you think. I don't want anyone to feel in a quandary when they're voting - so please, vote for it what you want otherwise you are doing yourself and me a disservice! I don't mind if the rating is low as long as it's a reflection of what you really think.
Wherever this has been shown, including at my uni in front of many people, the length has undeniably been an issue.
I agree Sollthar that it would be better if there was more of a sequence to the story rather than spilt-up snippets - I will try & do that.
What I am thinking of doing is expanding on the idea in a bigger drama, with other characters, expanding on the concept in a broader sense, adding dialogue & having a sequential story exploring their relationship a lot further.
Shaky shots - I know, they kind of ruin it for me a bit too, especially the one at the beginning. They're not cinematic. The see-saw shot could probably have been cut from the film, but could not resist leavng it because of its synchronisity with the music.
Steevix, I can understand wanting to know what is being said but I think it's quite powerful to have a story with no dialogue, communicating with visuals, actions & looks instead. E.g. they stop, the girl looks at her watch because he asks her the time. Cut to their faces. He says something, cut to her nodding in agreement. Cut to walking together, then a cafe. What he was saying was "Maybe coffee?"
I don't know whether anyone picked up on why we focus on the man at the end. One of the reasons is he is the instigator of the possible reality - he asks the time when he actually has a watch.
Posted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2004, 9:58pm
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So you plan I refilming alot of it? I too am doing this with my current project. This will create a huge delay, but the finished project will be much better, thus, I do not regret my choice and I dont think you will either.
Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2004, 1:29pm
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Not exactly refilming it, but exploring the 'concept' further in different ways with a few different characters. I may not use the same actors.
Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2004, 11:50pm
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Mel, in two words surprisingly insightful. This concept/idea has alot of potenial look forward to seeing how that works out for you.
I have watched this movie several times I have no real complaints other than the fantasy bit lasted abit long. However I was not bored by it. You really captured the effects of infatuation or love in the piece. As Tarn put it in fxhome chat, you "captured the crazy in love feeling(s) very well."
Truthfully I felt you did have an instinctive chronology going. We see them talking, then walking, then playing, and just hanging out together reading. In alot of ways that is a highly shortened interpetation of a new relationship.
Then your you took all those events again, compressed them and presented them again as though the man was reviewing his what if scenerio. Of course until the end I thought he was sulking over the fact they were no longer togther. So I had more of a since of loss. I could relate to the people involved. Especially since it all pivoted on the male character action/inaction.
I can't say all men have experienced similar what if feelings but at some point most of us have. We always wonder what would have happened if we had bucked up and just asked her to coffee
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 4:45pm
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Thanks, averagejoe - I'm really pleased you enjoyed it, that you decided to watch it more than once & felt a sense of loss (!)
Other people haven't 'got it' as we intended - they too have at first thought that it's about a relationship that ended, & that as these 2 people who once knew each other pass each other, they relive their moments & then ignore one another. That's a good interpretation too & valid in my opinion, & I like it if people interpret it in different ways.
There was a thought out chronology as you say, but I can understand it if people watching it think that it is just a compilation of moments - it's difficult to know this especially because of no dialogue. With the reading scene I tried to enforce this is a perfect relationship...the best relationship is where you can just be with someone & at the same time ignore each other, still knowing you're together without having to acknowledge each other every second.
Posted: Tue, 4th May 2004, 2:19am
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As other said, this film is a wee bit long. Other than that it is very well shot and edited. I liked the "twist" I didn't see it coming. Good choice of music too.
Posted: Wed, 15th Dec 2004, 6:01pm
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Forgot to mention that this film recently won a category in b4uask's Superteam Film Competition, Best Actress no less
- thanks b4!
Posted: Mon, 13th Jun 2005, 11:06am
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The first time I watched this was about a year ago, after my second viewing I've decided I should comment on it. First off, I think the choice of music is perfect, it's memorable, fitting, and unique. There are some nice shots. I totally figured out it's meaning after the first viewing. My personal life has similarities to the story. I would be the guy looking over the bridge and thinking back. It's actually hard for me to watch your film. But that should be taken as a compliment.
Maybe the slow-mo scene where they're approaching and walking past one another could be a little smoother, didn't really bother me or anything though.
I think this is a great little short! I especially liked the music, and non-dialog.
Posted: Tue, 14th Jun 2005, 10:50pm
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Thank you for your kind words, I appreciate your commenting on this, with apologies for the painful viewing. People don't half know how to make me feel guilty!
Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2005, 2:01am
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do I smell a sequel? Glimpse 2: The Revenge Kill Slaughter perhaps?
Posted: Wed, 15th Jun 2005, 8:28am
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Possibly. Everyone the guy stares at dies in 7 days. Killer Glimpse.
Posted: Wed, 29th Mar 2006, 3:08pm
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I remember seeing this movie about a year ago as well. I thought back then it was exceptionally well-made, and today I still think it is. Not sure why I didn't post a comment then, sorry.
I think it's a true movie experience in that movies are meant to be watched, and the stories should be told visually. It was an excellent choice to film it without any dialogue, and we're able to see the emotions that the actors are going through.
Great choice of music, especially at the end. It fit the mood of your film.
I guess the only thing you couldn't control was the weather, eh? There was no snow in the plaza, but snow in a majority of the other shots. Must have been interesting for the actors to film romantic scenes in the cold.
Posted: Wed, 5th Apr 2006, 1:57pm
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Heh, when it started snowing we considered calling the shoot off, we didn't visualise it being in the snow when writin the script, but it probably makes it look better. In the square, the snow had all melted because it's the middle of the city.