Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2004, 11:30am
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|a M.A.F.I.A. film - Deviance - Starring Christy Napier (the character 'Angel' in Fallen Angel), Kelly Kramer, Joe White, Mohammad Hussein, and Vonzell Carter. It is the story of two women - that is all I will say. Written and directed by A.J. Rickert-Epstein. Filmed on Panasonic AGDVX100 and Canon GL1. Edited in Final Cut Pro 4, compliments of Apple Computers, Inc.|
I hope you all enjoy!
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2004, 4:43pm
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I sure enjoyed watching this..
pretty basic plot just edited in a diffrent way tho...
Good actors, the only thing that felt stupid was when that girl danced in the car.. which normal person would dance like that?
And in the same scene there, the other girl opened the door twice, big mistake there !
The script was pretty good, felt real or real by me is hollywood, so it felt ok.
The quality on the picture was good, there was a scene there with thoose 2 guys in the white shirts, it was a bit grainy? did it supose to be that? otherwize I liked the flashback with a high contrast.
The sound was pretty good, you could have worked on it a bit tho, felt kinda boring!
But I didn't waste my time watching this! good work! 4/5
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Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2004, 5:25pm
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The grainyness was intentional in the hallway. All the flashback and shots in the field were color corrected and filtered to make it look kinda like super 16 film - a sort of Traffic feel.
And the dancing - who said she's normal? The title is deviance.
She opened the door once, but almost closed it all the way suddenly to tell her something.
Glad u liked it though. We had fun doin it.
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2004, 6:49pm
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Technichally, this was a very good film, well shot & acted. I liked the flashback scenes because they were effective & the colour for them was just right - reminded me of flashbacks from CSI. I also liked the shot at the end with the car speeding away with the left foot of one of the victims in frame - I can imagine him lying down for quite a time whilst the car was put in position etc!
The opening shots in the car didn't look so good though, looking a bit too dark whilst the weather outside is so obviously really bright. Won't focus too much on that though becuase I did the same thing in the cafe scene in the film I recently posted
Two other things - I liked the music but you had it running through the "interrogation" of the girl, which I found immediately pointed to a twist. I also got the twist. I don't know whether I would have still got it had it not been in the interrogation scene, but it was only really effective in the flashbacks.
But overall it was a really accomplished piece of work.
During the moving ar shots through the front glass of the car, di you have the car slowly while you sat on the bonnet (as one of the production photos implies) or did you have a mount?
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2004, 6:59pm
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I sat on the "bonnet" or hood, as we say in America....held on to a winshield wiper and prayed I didn't destroy a 3500 dollar camera. The rig was simple - pidgeon stand tripod with two 25lb sandbags holding it on the hood. We ran an xlr cable through the window and used a boom mic in the car. I agree the car scene is dark - on this small version that you just saw, but I HATE that I had to make this film small in order to put it on the internet because the detail is lost. SO MANY THINGS I WISH YOU COULD SEE that this camera can do, but it looks mediocre as this small little file. You can see such things as little pieces of dust particles floating through the air in perfect detail on my computer. The full quality piece is really pristine, and the car scene looks fine - for some reason the mp4 compression drops the brightness a bit - I had the same problem with our "I'm Da King" music video. Perhaps I'll brighten it up a bit when I add the original music, to compensate for the compression. What you saw was temp music - I just couldn't hold my wadd long enough to wait for it before I put it in FXHOME.
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2004, 10:56pm
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Well... I have to say that I didn't like any of the acting, except the main girl. She was good, but everyone else was just kinda there. I thought you should have used more tripod stuff, because if you were going for a "traffic" feel, it didn't really come off very well. So... yeah.
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2004, 11:17pm
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Are we referring to the same Traffic? So much handheld in the Mexico scenes... I wasn't really going for it when I shot it, it just sorta worked out that way in the editing room when I started fickling around with the color correction. This was the first time I've ever edited a film in Final Cut so that was a good learning experience. Anything you did like - besides the girl?
Posted: Fri, 12th Mar 2004, 11:29pm
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Traffic must be my favorite movie of all time, so no offense when I say yours didn't give me the same feel.
Overall, I thought it was pretty good, and I liked the shot of the foot at the end. That was quite nice. I thought the plot was quite cliche, however. I think that you guys should take a long time getting everything really planned out for your next flick, and try and make it something that doesn't involve guns.
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 2:41am
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No offense taken. I thought you meant Traffic used only tripod - I guess I misunderstood your statement. Anyway, thanks for the comments. Good times. I've been planning my next flick since before Fallen Angel - I'm shooting in 2 weeks - though guns make an appearance, the film is not at all centered around them. It's called Volition. Should be out middle of April. Thanks for watching this one though.
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 3:31am
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I'm not really sure I get the twist... you see Detective Black get called, then the the girl coming out of her car with a cell phone to her ear, not saying anything, then Black cusses. Then in the Flashback you see the main girl give a gun to the 2nd one, then when she comes back she menaces the 1st one with it...
Technically this was awesome though. 4/5
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 7:32am
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Incredible from a story standpoint, but i dont understand your use of transitions like "wipes" and "crossfades"...that didnt make sense. And your liberal use of fake blood was interesting, especially during the scene where the car rolls over the dead body/
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 9:20am
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I never saw any fake blood and when did a car run over a dead body? ha
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 1:27pm
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Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 4:27pm
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Bryce007 wrote:Incredible from a story standpoint, but i dont understand your use of transitions like "wipes" and "crossfades"...that didnt make sense. And your liberal use of fake blood was interesting, especially during the scene where the car rolls over the dead body/
Yeah, dude... Are you sure you're talking about this movie?
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 4:43pm
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that was good, really good
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 5:23pm
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another great movie from the people at M.A.F.I.A . There were a ton of things I liked about this movie, but the two things that stick our are Christy Napier, the the films production values. First off, Ms. Napier is one of the best actors or actresses I have seen on fxhome. don't loose her because (i'm guessing at least) that you'll want to use her in future projects. Also, this movie, along with some other recent one, are taking closer steps to making the movies on this site more professional. Movies like this, glimpse, and others make me think that the future for the movies of fxhome is bright
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 7:49pm
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I thought the film was edited nicely. The acting was fair & the colors were good(lighting etc.) The two guys at the interrogation room could have used a few extra days to practice. Although, all my movies are made on a very tight schedule. So, basically the film was excellent. I will give a 4 because of the interrogation guys.http://homepage.mac.com/luckyband
Posted: Sun, 14th Mar 2004, 5:16pm
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Just a thought: if she had been there for four hours, wouldn't the police have sent a squad to the scene of there crime already and found out she was lying?
I thought it was okay. Like eveybody said, the girl was great, but most of the acting was really dry.
I rather liked the shakyish camera.
Posted: Sun, 14th Mar 2004, 7:16pm
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The girl didnt know exactly where she was "supposedly" or else she would have been able to tell the cops. "She made me pull over a couple miles out of town" - No specific diretion or location. Atleast thats what i got out of it.
Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2004, 1:23am
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I figured they would have at least asked her. I mean, when there's a bank robbery, they take it pretty seriously. They was the only part I thought was pretty crappy.
Overall, I thought is was a good film.
Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2004, 1:32am
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well, one of the cops treated her like a victim/witness, not a criminal
Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2004, 1:33am
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Could anyone explain the twist?
Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2004, 1:41am
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The twist is that she is pretending to be the victim, & everyone is fooled until the very end.
I was a bit disappointed though...the end is kinda a similar scenario to Usual Suspects but fails to have the same impact.
Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2004, 7:03am
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Great film. I agree the plot twist was not exactly original, but it was still an excellent film. Take Secret Window for example...
The plot twist was almost identical to that of Fight Club.
Posted: Tue, 16th Mar 2004, 6:36pm
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That was great, the beggining was weak - but quickly became gripping.
I see you used loads of songs from the Spy Game score, although they are great songs, I allways think that it's a good idea not to involve too many songs from a certain film score or a certain composer. It can sort of cramp the style of your film by giving people memories of other films, you know what I'm saying?
I did enjoy it a lot... great stuff
Posted: Tue, 16th Mar 2004, 9:15pm
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Mellifluous wrote:The twist is that she is pretending to be the victim, & everyone is fooled until the very end.
Yes, yes, but how do they find out? You see Detective Black get called, then the girl comes out of here car with a cell phone to her ear, and says nothing, then Black curses... And in the flashback, the main girl gives a gun to the 2nd, that later comes back and menaces her with it?
Posted: Tue, 16th Mar 2004, 9:43pm
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I think she tells them. It's just silent. And she's far enough out of town that she can get away.
Posted: Thu, 18th Mar 2004, 8:53am
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This is just an outstanding great movie !!!
Posted: Thu, 18th Mar 2004, 5:03pm
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Hey sorry I haven't responded to anyone - I'm in NY for spring break. I'm glad many of u enjoyed it. Those of you who didn't quite understand the plot, that's ok. I left it kind of ambiguous at the end. There's a couple of interpretations. To the guy who said it was kind of like Usual Suspects but without the same feeling - it's a 9 minute film with limited amount of time for chararacter development and plot development so there's no way it could feel the same. This was shot for a class project that was only supposed to be 3 minutes long. It was mainly a great experience using the nicer equipment and learning it's capabilities.
TAP2 - I'm getting this film scored originally and I'll post the new version for anyone interested once it's done.
OK that's all for me now. Time to enjoy sunny - er...snowy New York for the rest of my break. Ciao.
Posted: Sun, 21st Mar 2004, 8:34pm
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I can definitely see the progression in your editing and shooting!
I do like your footage in the beginning. You mentioned in an earlier post how you rigged this shot, and mentioned its problems with lighting. I was wondering if you have thought of any way to improve the shot (increasing the iris, changing the camera position, designing a better rig, etc).
Christy Napier's acting is indeed exceptional. Its interesting how much both good (and not so good - sorry cops
) acting can improve a short video. Although I feel like she should have kept "constimately shooting" those other people at the end (poor reference to a previous MAFIA production
How did you shoot/edit the scenes in the field? The color schemes look similar to those used in the movie Traffic. (I hope that wasn't insulting, I just saw the movie again a few days ago, so seeing the scene reminded me of it). Those shots really added a texture to the video.
Lastly, I think its interesting to see how many different movies/shows other users seem to think you're "copying". Most of us can agree that writing original dialogue is difficult, and I'd like to say that great programs, such as AlamDV, alllow you to experiment and use effects from other movies.
However, your movies seem to generate discussion on the quality of your story
. This suggests an increased sophistication of your overall work on your end. If users studied your other work, I think they would understand what I mean.
I only gave it a 4, but I think its definitely worth watching repeatedly because your cinematography and story were really provacative.[/b]
Posted: Mon, 22nd Mar 2004, 10:36am
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Erm, I wasn't saying that this film was a copy of Usual Suspects, or saying anthing about character development.
What I was commenting on was the FINAL MINUTE OR SO.
All I said is that the twist didn't have a great impact on me, & I was comparing it to Usual Suspects becuase the scenario is the same:
Suspect is questioned. Suspect is let go. Cops then find out the truth but it's too late.
It's nothing to do with characterisation or plot development, it's just the way you chose to reveal the truth at the end that I was commenting on. The build up was fine.
Posted: Tue, 23rd Mar 2004, 5:24am
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Mellifluous wrote:Erm, I wasn't saying that this film was a copy of Usual Suspects, or saying anthing about character development. What I was commenting on was the FINAL MINUTE OR SO.
AJ and Mellifluous:
Sorry for the apparent confusion of the my last comment and for this post. I felt that it was necessary to reply to make things clear to everyone.
1) If you note on my post, I said "users" seemed to think AJ was copying, NOT user; I wasn't singling any one person out.
One user, including myself, made a reference to the movie "Traffic." Yet another metioned the movie "Fight Club". You also mentioned a reference to CSI in an earlier post.
2) It is also apparent, from AJ's comments that this was an original piece. My reference and usage of the quotations in the word 'copying' in my post was meant to suggest that it wasn't intentional. It is common in effective learning or expressing ideas to mention familar elements, as this usually helps the learner/reader make meaningful connections. So mentioning another film usually helps other users make connections to the fxhome movie to other movies they probably have seen.
You'll also note note that AJ stated in a recent post that he was learning the capabilities of nicer equipment. As such, I thought it was more complimentary to state that AJs editing of the scenes made it look like it was from a real movie. I used the word "interesting" because AJs editing and filming style has continously elevated from trying to copy one genre to a more ecclectic nature.
It was not meant to be a personal attack on other users, rather than a compliment of AJ's continuous progression of AJ and MAFIA's movie making abilities.
My apolgies for the confusion. I'll make sure to triple check my writing/editing before I submit next time.
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 4:58pm
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Thanks for the interesting comments discussion guys. Expect one more film from me before summer (Volition) then I'm taking a month or two of a break before the Fingerman Series begins principle photography - the pace I'm goin at now's beating the he-doublehockeysticks out of me. This run and gun guerilla stuff is cool and fun but it's really friggin rigorous. Keep on keepin on. LATZ.
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 1:15am
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FU*KING GREAT FILM GUYS 4 STARS! by the way- here is a link to the Trailer of my film- http://cheezyproductions.tripod.com/trailernet.mpg
and here is pictureshttp://cheezyproductions.tripod.com/bloodpics.html
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 1:16am
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I meant 5 stars!
Posted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004, 10:34pm
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What can I say really, that was just great, keep making stuff this good. All aspects top-notch save one little thing, the two guys should have been in suits, or at least more convincing shirts and ties, they looked like they just had them thrown on suddenly by surprise. There acting wasn't bad, if this had been any other film on here it's have been quite good but the lead, really was fantastic and eclipsed them, that's the same girl from "fallen angel" right, good idea to give her more to do this time round, you should make a few more with her, you'd be stoopid to not use talent like that.
Speaking of talent... I hate you. Make some terrible films for a while, jeez give us a break.
Posted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004, 11:04pm
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Two Gunned - thanks a lot. I appreciate your comments sincerely. I am using the girl again for the next movie - if u like her, check out Volition - it is in the cinema too (my most recent addition aside from Filmmakers 2 Trailer) - she makes an appearance in Volition. We're working on Fingerman 2 and 3 right now - in heavy pre-prod - hopefully they'll suck, hehe.
T'care and thanks again.