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Dual P4 Motherboards??

Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 1:50pm

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Hi, does anyone know where I can find a Dual P4 Motherboard? I've been searching the web and all I've found are Dual Socket Celeron and Xeon motherboards. I really need a dual p4. Thanks!

EDIT: Is it possible to have a P4 configuration or is that only with Celeron and Xeon? If not, how well is Hyperthreading compared to a dual configuration?
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 3:04pm

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Hi,

Ask on PCformat forums, you are very likely to get a response as they're all very helpful and knowledgeable.

http://forum.pcformat.co.uk/viewforum.php?f=6

If you don't want to waste time registering, I'll post the question for you,
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 4:15pm

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Could you? Thanks, that would be great!
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 6:38pm

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watch for replies,

http://forum.pcformat.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=251919#251919
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 6:42pm

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Thanx so much. I'll check it regularly for replies.
Posted: Sun, 14th Mar 2004, 3:19pm

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TAP2, basically I'm going to be using it for moviemaking, video editing, and gaming. I'm literally trying to build a computer that shouldn't stall or slowdown anytime when doing anything on it. I want somethine really fast.
Posted: Sun, 14th Mar 2004, 11:25pm

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Check out ASUStek (search on Yahoo! or Google), they make some of the best consumer mobos.
Posted: Mon, 15th Mar 2004, 11:47pm

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Just curious, is it possible to use a laptop for video editing and graphics purposes?
Say if the specs were:
P4 3.0GHz w/HT
1GB RAM
WinXP Pro
60GB (would probably use an external)
Posted: Tue, 16th Mar 2004, 1:34am

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Yes, very possible, especially with that configuration.
Posted: Tue, 16th Mar 2004, 1:49am

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Heh, if my build-a-computer dream fails, I may just buy a Dell Notebook with such a high configuration. The current configuration comes with the ATI Mobility Radeon 9700. Is that a good card for this kind of work? Also, will setting up a network farm with my current computer and that notebook increase rendering and such?
Posted: Tue, 16th Mar 2004, 2:37am

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No there are no dual P4 motherboards. If you want dual then you need to get Athlons or Xeons. Hyperthreading is no comparison to proper dual cpus.

Since dual cpu systems are very expensive another option you might consider is to get an Athlon 64 based system.
Posted: Tue, 16th Mar 2004, 2:48am

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Kid-There aren't any dual Athlon mobos are there? My friend was thinking about getting one and I don't think he could't find one.
Posted: Tue, 16th Mar 2004, 2:58am

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Yes there are lots. However you can't just get 2 Athlon XPs and bung them in you need Athlon MPs which are the multi processor version. I have a machine with dual Athlons myself.
Posted: Tue, 16th Mar 2004, 3:03pm

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Tap, in response to jacks post, I do have 3DSMAX, premiere, etc...basically a lot video/graphics apps that do require a lot of processing speed. I also do a lot of multitasking, especially on video projects.
Posted: Tue, 16th Mar 2004, 5:34pm

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OK, I'm posting replies for you.
Posted: Tue, 16th Mar 2004, 5:47pm

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Wouldn't you be better off buying yourself something like this
(it'd probably be cheaper too)

Intel Pentium 4 ExtremeEdition 3.4ghz, With HT & 800Mhz FSB.
Windows XP 64-Bit Edition
2-3GB of PC3200 RAM ( I think you can get 4200, which is even better)
Matrix RT.100 (can't remember what it was exactly)
1,200RPM HD

I'm sure that'd be fast enough for your uses.

NOTE -

With PCs, ALLWAYS try and get a small, fast drive to instal WindowsXP on. (say 10gb or something). It'll make your PC boot MUCH FASTER.
Then you can buy a 250GB HD to store your apps and files on.
Posted: Tue, 16th Mar 2004, 7:15pm

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Tap, how much would that cost (Monitor unnecessary)? My budget is $2000.
Posted: Tue, 16th Mar 2004, 7:33pm

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To be honest - I don't know.

You'd have to go on some computer-sites and get a quote.
Posted: Tue, 16th Mar 2004, 7:35pm

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It seemed around $3500-4000. Way too expensive for me.

Do you think my laptop solution worked fine? The reason I'm going notebook is because I really don't have any room for a 2nd comp and I'm also going to be taking my notebook around for classes, etc.
Posted: Wed, 17th Mar 2004, 1:50am

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I wouldn't really listen to what they have to say in that thread. They don't really seem to know what they are talking about.

Dual cpus make the interface a lot less sluggish but yes it is true only certain apps will use it to its full potential. The gain from seperate apps running on different processors is not huge because generally you dont do more than one cpu intensive task at a time. Speed is usually limited by something else like harddisk access speed or whatever.

To get the most you need to make sure you use software that can take full advantage. For instance Pinnacle Edition uses both cpus and an mpeg2 encoder that supports both cpus is much faster than one that doesn't.

As far as games are concerned it won't speed them up at all unless they are based on the quake engine in which case it may well use the 2nd cpu.

For a good video editing machine at the moment getting dual cpus is not really the instant answer. If you are doing a lot of 3d work a workstation level graphics card would make more difference. Athlon 64 is another option. And also you haven't said what realtime card you are going to get which is really the first thing you need to decide and then build a machine around.

I would suggest not trying to build a video machine yourself. There are a lot more gotchas and compatibility issues than with building a regular machine and with the deals you can get it simply isn't cheaper than buying a system from a video editing specialist.

My company provides such systems and the prices range from about £2100 inc vat for a dual monitor top end P4 system through £2500 for an athlon64 based one, £2700 for dual athlons right up to £3000 for a dual xeon based system. Obviously it depends on which realtime card and software bundle you choose but those are average figures rather than starting figures.
Posted: Wed, 17th Mar 2004, 1:58am

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Notebooks are ok if you need to be mobile but are otherwise totally rubbish for video editing.

-The hard drives are much slower than regular ones
-There is no choice of any sort of realtime card
-They dont have a proper graphics card and so can not accelerate any of the new apps that are starting to use them
-TFT screens while getting better still have poor colour representation
-Even if you have a cpu rated as fast as the desktop version they tend to be slower
Posted: Wed, 17th Mar 2004, 2:05am

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TAP2 wrote:


Intel Pentium 4 ExtremeEdition 3.4ghz, With HT & 800Mhz FSB.
Windows XP 64-Bit Edition
2-3GB of PC3200 RAM ( I think you can get 4200, which is even better)
Matrix RT.100 (can't remember what it was exactly)
1,200RPM HD

...

With PCs, ALLWAYS try and get a small, fast drive to instal WindowsXP on. (say 10gb or something). It'll make your PC boot MUCH FASTER.
Then you can buy a 250GB HD to store your apps and files on.
-The P4 extreme edition is just a rebadged xeon, not really worth what it costs at all.
-XP 64-bit edition is unnecesary as this cpu is not 64bit
-Memory needs to match whatever cpu you get for best throughput
-The matrox x.100 is good
-Do mean 12,000rpm HD? This is not required at all. A 7200rpm hard disk is plenty fast enough for working with DV.
- Yes having at least 2 drives is very important. The OS and program files should be on one drive and the video drive should be kept seperate. If you really do need to put other things on the drive like games or whatever then make 2 seperate partitions and keep your video drive clear of other files.
Posted: Wed, 17th Mar 2004, 3:42am

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K, gotcha. I'm actually not such a serious 3D person so I probably don't need so much power. I do run 3D occasionally on a learning basis but I'm not really using it at max (because of my current computer's not fast enough performance and because I still haven't gotten past beginners level).
I do, however, do alot of videoediting. Is a high performance video card really necessary for video editing? Couldn't a mobility 128MB ati radeon 9700 be okay for video editing?

Is there no solution for a notebook? I was actually hovering over on the Dell website and found some neat notebooks of interest. I mainly want a notebook because I have no space for another computer and I can't really upgrade my current computer just for the fact that it's our only working computer and my parents are very cautious about me messing around with the PC. Notebooks are the only choice of additional computers for me.

Kid, what's your company? I never knew you had one.
Posted: Wed, 17th Mar 2004, 3:51am

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Well I do, but we only supply to the uk and are aimed at more semi pro people and I never expected much interest off of here.

No you don't need a fancy graphics card for editing at all but some of the effects packages have started using the graphics card as a secondary cpu. So if you have one of these editing programs or plugins then it would speed up rendering.

Well as I said a laptop is not at all ideal for editing and a lot more expensive and less upgradable than a desktop. However if you get a decent spec one it should be perfectly usable for the purpose of editing.

If you dont have much space you could go for one of those compact shuttle based pcs, they can be just as powerful as a large machine if a little restricted for future upgrades. A keyboard/video/mouse switch might also help cos then you can use 2 pcs from the same monitor and stuff.
Posted: Wed, 17th Mar 2004, 2:14pm

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Do you guys have a website? I would truly love to see it.

Anyways, I do fully understand a notebook's capabilities (and my pocketbook's capabilities as well smile). I realized HD won't be so much of a problem because I'm probably just going to store/synch files to my PC back and forth or I may just get an external drive. Like I said in the earlier post, I was kinda going for a Dell notebook:

Intel P4 2.8-3GHz HT
1GB RAM
128MB ATI Mobility Radeon 9700
60GB HD
WinXP Pro
etc.

And I believe I asked this before but, if I ever did feel a lack of speed, could I easily configure something sort of like a render farm with my PC to increase render times?

I heard about those shuttle dektops. Kinda cool. I forgot which companies make them. Still, I want my pc to be mobile, not just for the fact of space, but for the fact that I'll be needing a notebook later on as I make my way up to High School.
Posted: Wed, 17th Mar 2004, 2:22pm

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Video editing on a laptop? Powerbook with Final Cut Pro 4 is about as good as it gets. Loads of TV shows are edited on Powerbooks now which I found quite odd - but its got all the power you need and the best software.
Posted: Wed, 17th Mar 2004, 6:34pm

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EVIL MAC! EVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIL! LOL, Just Kidding. twisted

Nice suggestion but I'd like to go with an OS I'm familiar with. cool
Posted: Thu, 18th Mar 2004, 2:28am

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Hey Kid, I've heard of the Matrox Video Editing card but I don't know much about it. Well, I don't know much about any video editing card rather. I just go with what I hear. Isit possible to have a video card and a graphics card? I was wondering because then I could just buy a Matrox card and put it into my PC and I can just buy regular specs for my notebook. In the long run, I would be getting excellent performance for a cheper price, I guess.

The Matrox stuff seems so expensive. Are there any cheaper solutions to a good card? The Matrox R.X100 seems more like a package rather then an individual card. It comes with editing software like Adobe Premiere which I guess is what's making it a bit more expensive. Is it possible to just get the card, lowering down the price, considering I already have Adobe Premiere.
Posted: Thu, 18th Mar 2004, 8:48am

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No, all of the cards are the same sort of price and Premiere is a freebie rather than pushing up the price. Your main choice is between the standard versions or the ones with After Effects and everything bundled in.

In general editing cards are completely seperate from your graphics card so yes you could buy an x.100 and bung it into your current pc. (assuming the rest of the spec is good enough).
Posted: Thu, 18th Mar 2004, 1:36pm

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Well, my current specs aren't that good, but they still are fine for my regular video editing apps like Premiere:
Intel P4 1.9GHz
256MB RAM
80GB HD
Win2kPro
nVIDIA GeForce 2 MX (lol)
Posted: Thu, 18th Mar 2004, 4:20pm

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Yeah, to be honest... it makes little difference.

As I've said, I've got a P4 2.53Ghz... and my video editing works fine, and very fast.
Posted: Fri, 19th Mar 2004, 2:49am

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Tap, what were you referring to. My computer's specs (which I highly doubt razz ), or putting a pro video card in my pc?
Posted: Sat, 20th Mar 2004, 2:51pm

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My current video card is on my AGP slot. I'm guessing in order to keep it there, I have to buy a digital video editing card that's PCI. Do you guys know of any good ones that are somewhat cheap (under $500)? The Matrox is kinda expensive for me.