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Simple melting face overlay required

Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 1:59pm

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GavSalkeld

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Hello everyone.

I am looking for someone who can do something within a couple of days that will look good enough for about three seconds of screen time.

In a film we are doing, some sort of viral bomb explodes and the liquid inside lets out this blast of energy that melts a whole through the face of the unlucky bad guy. It needs to look gory and horrifying, as its being done to shock the audience and not to glorify it.

The effect I am after should look something like the Peter Firth face-melting scene situation in CHILL FACTOR. The lower half of the face melts and then drops off to show the skull and inside of the mouth with the teeth showing. The plugin can just be the lower half a face from the bridge of the nose to the chin, and be of average head shape with normal white skin tones. Dont worry about getting it to look absolutely perfect, the effect is going to be masked with camera blur, camera shake and a heat wave.

The resolution of the overlay needs to be pretty high, so if the plugin is gonna be huge in size because of it, thats fine. In fact, I would prefer it bigger. If you have CHILL FACTOR, or have seen it, thats great. For those who haven't, if you download these two pictures, they give you an idea of the plugin I am looking for:

http://www.gnc.b0x.com/face_1.JPG
http://www.gnc.b0x.com/face_2.JPG

Anyone who think they can do this, please post a reply here and we'll talk it through. I know its awfully short notice, but if you can do it before Sunday night(!), that's great. But there's not really a rush.

Thanks for listening.
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 4:42pm

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Marek

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It would be pointless to make a plugin of it.

First, it would look pretty fake, considering it will be a 2d image and the maker has no idea what angle your shooting from.

Second, if you use a 3d app, or get in touch with a 3d guy here, you'll get much better quality, and it will actually look good on your scene.

Third, a by tomorrow would be way too soon. Maybe by next sunday night... That's a pretty big job for one night.
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 6:58pm

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GavSalkeld

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Sorry, I forgot to mention. The shot will be a full on shot from the front, like in the screen caps. And yes, tomorrow is bit soon, lol! Let me state theres no rush on it now so dont worry about it.
Posted: Sat, 13th Mar 2004, 8:55pm

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Rawree

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Even so, a plugin just wouldn't be practical for this effect and even in a 3D app it would look wierd. If you could do it using makeup or latex or whatever then you could just build up the "wounds" and have blood and sweat pouring down the face cut away or put something in front of the camera like a flash or something, make the "wounds" worse, cut back etc and then when it's really bad use a fake head it might look ok as the face will be so messed up by then.
Posted: Sun, 14th Mar 2004, 2:25am

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GavSalkeld

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Really, a 2D plugin would be OK for this. Its so brief.
Posted: Sun, 14th Mar 2004, 3:31am

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SIMPLE melting face overlay? I don't think I would classify that as a simple effect. Not by any means.
Posted: Sun, 14th Mar 2004, 11:40am

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Rawree

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Either way to get it look good someone would have to film it as a practical effect somewhere along the line and it would suit your needs better if you did it and if "it's so brief" you don't need to be a professional makeup artist whereas doing this shot in CGI would take a lot of skill.
Posted: Sun, 14th Mar 2004, 12:23pm

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GavSalkeld

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Well by simple, all I meant was it didnt have to be detailed and it only had to be 2D and not some complex 3D render.
Posted: Sun, 14th Mar 2004, 12:42pm

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Rawree

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A 2D effect would be something like in Flash or AE it would have no depth and would be as convinciing as the actor wearing a mask made of carboard and a photo of themself! Just do it as an actual live effect and then use overlays and flashes and cuts to disguise it.
Asking for a plugin of this type is, lets face it, the easy way out. You expect someone to make this Specialist plugin that you'll use for 3 seconds of film when you could do it yourself if you were creative with props and angles. Finally, people will not make this because they know that it will look fake and if this is a pivital scene in your movie (I guess it is because you don't seem to be able to lose it) then they don't want this important part, which is supposed to scare people I assume, to be laughably bad.
Posted: Sun, 14th Mar 2004, 12:48pm

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GavSalkeld

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I dont know anything about plugin-making, so please excuse that. However, I am still convinced it will look OK if its gonna be brief. I just dont want anyone putting themselves out or anything for it. I have used similar 2D plugins before (like that Terminator inside arm mechanics) and they look OK on screen.

However, I have no idea how we could do this as a live gag. I have no experience in make-up or anything of the sort! crazy
Posted: Sun, 14th Mar 2004, 12:54pm

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Sollthar

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Then go to google, type in "+make up +effect +tutorial" and read the pages coming up. And you can do that by tomorrow even...

Cause I can guarantee you, this will NEVER EVER look good as a plugin. If you're convinced it will, you're wrong. Sorry.
Posted: Sun, 14th Mar 2004, 12:57pm

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GavSalkeld

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OK, we'll see.
Posted: Wed, 24th Mar 2004, 8:31pm

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Captain_Kirk

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man you can modeling a human face in cera and burning it, but not put the fire close to you model!

just leave the temperature do a upgrade and the cera will be falling by the face

(sorry, my english is very bad... i now!)