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RECON - Formerly Power Corps.

Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 3:41pm

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This is the Pre-release trailer for RECON, formerly known as Power Corps around these parts. The movie will finally be out in MAY 2004, after I spent a year of my sad sorry life on it...

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Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 3:52pm

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Great trailer, as always.

The only point - which has totally killed the moment for me - was the amusingly banal, non-plussed "yaaar" and "aaargh" noises (note lack of "!") of the people in the drop ship. Wtf hapenned to the sound there? Where was the engine noise?
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 3:57pm

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Well well, the master unleashes a new Teaser of his Sci-Fi extravaganza. smile

First, there is a LOT of totally awesome and fantastically sweet stuff going on. And of course, it's cool to see and even hear ME in it! wink

The CG has much improved and totally kicks butt, no doubt about that. Your CG team rules!
There were some fantastic looking shots in it wich made me wanna see more of that!
The locations seem great and some of the colorgrading is totally awesome.

I can't really do much more then bow to your dedication, cause the work you did really comes across...


YET I must admit, I have a couple of reservations. sad

First of all, the trailer lacked of structure. I didn't feel any structure in it, just a bunch of cool looking shots and standard trailermusic without any real connection to the picture. If I wouldn't know already whats it basically about, I had no real idea now and therefore it didn't really left me going "damn, I NEED to see this" but more a bit like "er... cool. hmmm..." - if you know what I mean.

What really weakend the whole thing quite a lot in my eyes, or better, in my ears, was the soundwork.
The soundeffects were randomly applied, sounded like coming from old videogames and had absolutely no real feel to them. In fact, they sounded really cheesy and sometimes even "bad". sad

I hope and I'm pretty sure you'll put more work in the sounddesign, cause bad sound can totally kill even the coolest visuals, wich unfortunately happened here with this trailer.


Yet I have no doubt the final movie will kick ass!
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 4:00pm

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You do have a valid point Xcession. I just haven't got around to work on the ambience of the ship yet.

Here is how I usually work in terms of sound:

Dialogues.

SFX.

Music.

Then ambiances... because sometimes you don't need them in the end. I haven't had time to create that particular ambiance yet because I had my hands full with the big battle sequences ones... I tried to give a cavernous echo-y feel to it to compensate and obviously I failed as you and b4uask have mentionned that point already...

I had to have the trailer done for the end of the month for the powers that be and I just felt it would be neat to post it for you guys to see despite the fact it is not entirely finished per se...

That being said, I am surprised at how fast this thing was put up - I barely posted it!
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 4:09pm

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I just noticed something really weird Christian! smile


In that file, if you look at the closeup of that guys face at 0.30... when he blinks, there's one frame where you can see his eyes through the skin. That totally freaks me out. biggrin
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 4:17pm

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Sollthar wrote:

I just noticed something really weird Christian! smile


In that file, if you look at the closeup of that guys face at 0.30... when he blinks, there's one frame where you can see his eyes through the skin. That totally freaks me out. biggrin
I believe that this is a side effect of my film motion recipe... Oops! Will have to fix that.

This trailer is a prerelease trailer for buyers overseas who know already of the movie and its plot. It is designed to show them more of the film more than anything else so they can make a decision or at least a commitment before they get the real product. I am also of the school of less is more - I prefer trailer that don't say much about the story. Nowadays, you know the whole movie before you go see it. I hate this type of trailer.

Sorry about the Sound design Sollthar - I will never do it again! - this was a rushed thing for the foreign distributors guys - I didn't have the chance to do a lot on it. Which is not an excuse to make you guys suffer through it - I just figured I'd get some comments - hopefully constructive - and improve on it when I have some spare time - b4uask already made me a new bunghole today so I guess I knew I would have it coming posting it publicly... There was some stuff which I thought was okay but I guess not judging from your comments.

At least you like your bit... OUF! razz

Can't wait to be done with this and start on the next one... www.movieseals.biz/RECONSEQUELLOGO.mov

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Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 4:25pm

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Don't get my wrong here!
You know I'm a huge fan of your work and you know as good as I do that it's in a league of it's own and I meant my bowing very serious. wink

It just felt really odd having something with such a high production standard as your work then have such an average sound. It just gives a huge contrast to the great visuals you managed to accomplish.


But I totally understand you had to put it together quickly. Sometimes that has an impact on all. But as said, I don't doubt the final film will rule. biggrin
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 4:33pm

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some good helpful comments here well done.

John has heard everything I had to say, but I still think he's doing an awsome job with it.
I did have one tiny gripe that doesn't seem to be removed without re-shooting sad and I'm proberly the only one to notice but it does spoil it for me, The bit i'm talking about is when a guy looks at the camera, i won't put the time down because if you don't notice it then it should be fine.
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 4:34pm

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Sollthar wrote:

Don't get my wrong here!
You know I'm a huge fan of your work and you know as good as I do that it's in a league of it's own and I meant my bowing very serious. wink

It just felt really odd having something with such a high production standard as your work then have such an average sound. It just gives a huge contrast to the great visuals you managed to accomplish.


But I totally understand you had to put it together quickly. Sometimes that has an impact on all. But as said, I don't doubt the final film will rule. biggrin
I didn't get you wrong - but your comments made sense. Also helped me realize that I may be too close to the film after working on it for so darn long...

i will need to be more careful as I get closer to the finish line, it gets mroe tempting to rush things over.
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 4:55pm

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This looks fantastic...the CG is very good & the general look of the film is amazing.

Just wondering, what did you shoot on, how close is the film to finishing & how will FXHomers be able to see it?
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 4:59pm

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Mellifluous wrote:

Just wondering, what did you shoot on, how close is the film to finishing & how will FXHomers be able to see it?
Shot on a mix of MiniDV and DVCAM.

It should be finished in May 2004 if all goes right.

I don't know yet how I will make a 90 minutes movie seeable on the net. If you live in England not too far from b4uask, he will have a copy because he contributed CG to it and has a role in it. Or in Australia, ask kermZ - who did the same as b4 (role and CG), or in Switzerland, Ask Sollthar. Or in Ukraine, ask Max... If you live in Canada, ask me... But seriouly, I have no clue...
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 5:35pm

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I've already mentioned what I thought to you JC wink It's following suit from what Sollthar said above. The trailer does seem to be more focused on shots with the different characters (including Sollthar) instead of a high octane tease the audience trailer.

It's still very sweet though, with some brilliant shots and it's tickled my taste buds.

Oh and another thing - the 3D stuff was very good.
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 5:37pm

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er-no wrote:

Oh and another thing - the 3D stuff was very good.
CG isn't that good if you can tell it's CG... LOL!
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 5:42pm

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JohnCarter wrote:

er-no wrote:

Oh and another thing - the 3D stuff was very good.
CG isn't that good if you can tell it's CG... LOL!
You can always tell its CG if the stuff you've done is an explosion in space.
I don't think you've got a large enough budget to film that kinda stuff.. so I assume its 3D.

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I'd assume the explosion is real, not 3D. smile
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 5:51pm

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I'd assume the explosion is real, not 3D. smile
You are quite right - I do not use 3D explosions - they do not look very real. I used one for the credits at the end - it came from LiveType though and I used it more as a credit design element. For the film itself I make my own explosions or use sock footage ones.
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 5:57pm

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wow, I'd love to see your sock footage ones biggrin
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 6:00pm

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Mellifluous wrote:

wow, I'd love to see your sock footage ones biggrin
most of them come from www.detonationfilms.com


great site and most of them are free.
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 7:02pm

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First of all I have to agree with sollthar, there is some sounds there that just sound amaturey, like some of the swoosh sounds. All of the sounds sound like they were added in post. But as you said you rushed into things, and its a good exscuse!
I still miss that feeling from the first teaser you realsed here, it just gave me ghostbumps, and this one dosen't bring me that.

Altho some of the clips here look amazing, I love the colors of them. really nice CG. one thing tho, at the clips where you can see sollthar in that blue thing. it feels fake, some shadows from other people or something would be nice. Well, I can't really comment anything couse I know this isn't any final thing. It was nice, really nice but you can do better!
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 7:14pm

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Andreas wrote:

First of all I have to agree with sollthar, there is some sounds there that just sound amaturey, like some of the swoosh sounds. All of the sounds sound like they were added in post. But as you said you rushed into things, and its a good exscuse!
It's never a good excuse to deliver subpar material. At least in my opinion. So I apologize for having done it. But I was curious for some feedback since I am still working on it - and I have been so close to that thing for so long I can't see the forest for the trees... I also get os many emails about this project - i thought I'd just let people see more of where it's going...

Andreas wrote:

I still miss that feeling from the first teaser you realsed here, it just gave me ghostbumps, and this one dosen't bring me that.
The first one is still my favorite - funny since it was done with less material than all the rest. It somehow was more efficient...

Andreas wrote:

Altho some of the clips here look amazing, I love the colors of them. really nice CG.
It would be of great help if you could point me all the other clips that aren't "amazing" like you did for the Sollthar thing. That would really REALLY be helpful... Thanks.
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 7:35pm

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# the clip between sollthars cameo and some other guy, when there is a closeup at the guy, the background would look better if it would be more blured, couse that is what you are used to see.
# the clip after he fires his bazooka on a spaceship that looks like a mix between a cow and a fridge would need some camera shake couse the camera is so close to the bazoka...
# there is a zoom-in right before you see some zombies, it got much radialzoomblur but would also need some classic motionblur.
#When the soliders are in the spacecraft thing, some sound from the actully plane would really make that one better.
# There is one clip when you can see a girl sitting in the spacecraft from behind with the sun at the left or right corner, either some lensflare or just lighten up the corners of the "dashboard". it looks to much like greenscreen fotage...

these are just stuff I thought about while watching it. and its my opinon, nobody has to share them. razz
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 7:48pm

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Andreas wrote:

# the clip between sollthars cameo and some other guy, when there is a closeup at the guy, the background would look better if it would be more blured, couse that is what you are used to see.
# the clip after he fires his bazooka on a spaceship that looks like a mix between a cow and a fridge would need some camera shake couse the camera is so close to the bazoka...
# there is a zoom-in right before you see some zombies, it got much radialzoomblur but would also need some classic motionblur.
#When the soliders are in the spacecraft thing, some sound from the actully plane would really make that one better.
# There is one clip when you can see a girl sitting in the spacecraft
from behind with the sun at the left or right corner, either some lensflare or just lighten up the corners of the "dashboard". it looks to much like greenscreen fotage...
Maybe I should've left it at that... LOL! No but seriously...

It's already blurred quite a bit - strange though when compressed it doesn't seem to be that much anymore...

I fail to see the fridge/cow analogy... But hey! To each his own...

i didn't use radial blur on that shot - it was done by zooming fast on the subject... But a bit of motion blur is a good idea...

I know about that one - I'll eventually upgrade the clip when I'm done with the ambiances...

And your last point is actually the best - I was looking for something to enhance that and I thnk the flare is just what the doctor ordered! Thanks Andreas... wink
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a spaceship that looks like a mix between a cow and a fridge
You swedish people certainly are different... wink
Posted: Thu, 25th Mar 2004, 8:17pm

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Sollthar wrote:

a spaceship that looks like a mix between a cow and a fridge
You swedish people certainly are different... wink
Im not diffrent, im just special rolleyes
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I'm in amazement at your color grading skills, John. You really did a good job with that. I really am looking forward to the final release.
Posted: Fri, 26th Mar 2004, 12:51am

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Thanks Lloyd. Seems to be the only thing that holds the road with the CG... LOL!
Posted: Fri, 26th Mar 2004, 1:13am

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This is one of the most top notch things I have seen on this site! The video is fantastic, the way it looks, the colors. The 3d was great. The spaceship... WOW! The only thing I didn't like was the talking in the beginning when the people are on the ship. I dont know what about it is, but it just doesnt sound right. Maybe adding a pretty loud sound for the ship or something. It felt too alone. Still, definately worthy of a 5. I have to admit though, the clip you posted in the forums was better than this, though they still impress me so much. I felt like I was watching something pro!
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this movie is looking to be one of the most professionaly made on the site. i know im excited
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Man i liked that alot better than your old ones. did you re-edited it, so it is sutible for teenagers. i cant wait for it. that looked very profesional.
well done. over all this is one of my favorite movies on the site. it was nice to see sollthar in thier too. man John, you are Amazing. the camera shots are amazing the quality is amazing and the Special Fx where Great.
keep it up john, you sease to amaze me like sollthar.

peace out
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Well, thanks guy. I wish it was totally pro work - it would mean I would get paid for it! LOL!

Brettsa - I am aware of the sound issue - working on resolving it... It is mentionned a few times in previous posts...

ssjaaron, no offense to your beliefs or anything like that intended, but I am not one for censorship and I did not re-edit the movie to make it more palatable for anybody or any age group in particular. I just didn't need to show nudity in this trailer - and considering what happened last time, it wouldn't be very smart/nice of me to subject CSB to the same nonsense. Besides, where I live in Quebec, 13+ can see nudity here without heart attacks from anybody and we have the lowest crime rate/rape rate in the country so... wink

That being said, sorry to disappoint you in that respect. I try to make movies I would like to watch. But if you want I'll send you a version of the movie with the naughty bits cut out - that is if you are not offended by some swearing - they are soldiers in tough spots after all... If that's the case, well tough luck - I don't do bleeps either.

Thanks for your comments. wink
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Amazing. Absolutely amazing. No idea what it's about but it looked great. Hugely envious and curious how you did this thing.
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A tricky one, this. I'm going to be a little harsher on you John, because I know you're damn good, and I also know that you appreciate honest and constructive criticism.

I really wasn't keen on this trailer. There was something distinctly lacking from it that the previous Power Corps trailers had - the first one in particular had a real kick ass feeling that got me all excited. This trailer fell a little flat, for various reasons.

There are two main problems with it that I noticed. The first is the sound, which has been commented on already. It really, really lets it down - particularly the dropship interior shot, which really needs some banging and crashing and engine noise and the feeling that things are rattling about. Check out Starship Troopers for the best dropship sequence ever put to film. smile Some of the other sound effects, like the cartoon-style swooshes whenever something moved fast in the frame, were very out-of-place. At one point an actor moved quickly into frame, complete with a comedy "swoosh" noise, and it just sounded a bit daft and ended up making the visuals look silly too. The sound design often took a very cool shot and spoilt its impact.

The second problem is with the trailer structure itself. In my opinion, for a trailer to be effective it needs to have a little mini-narrative of its own, a through-line for the viewer that grabs his attention, leads him through what the movie is and what it's like, then builds to a climax that leaves the viewer wanting to see more (ie, the full movie). So you know where I'm coming from, probably my favourite trailer is the Fellowship of the Ring trailer, which does everything 'right' as I see it. This trailer was a sequence of talking-head clips, with the occasional out-of-context action shot, and didn't seem to have any kind of direction. You could rearrange all the shots randomly and it'd have the same effect. The exception from this are the first-or-so shots, with the marines, the landing etc, which starts everything off really well. Then it seems to lose any kind of pace or narrative. Showing so much dialogue and so many characters in a trailer might work if we a) know the actors well or b) know the characters well (for a sequel, perhaps), in which case their dialogue might be funny or typical or remind us of cool stuff. But as we're unfamiliar with them, it all kinda blends together.

If you know about Power Corps/RECON and have seen the previous trailers, this doesn't really show you anything new. If you don't know about the movie, then it doesn't really give you any clear information or idea about what it is.

On the plus side, the CG is very much improved - the big stompy robot in particular was great. The actual film itself still looks very cool, and this trailer certainly hasn't put me off it or anything. The grading was attractive, and helped to blend the CG shots with the live action.

If the sound was fixed then this trailer would work a lot better, and would draw me in a lot more. Sound is an odd thing...when it's good, you don't even notice it!
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well the thing is, is i dont like seeing that stuff, and i belive it is a waste to put in a movie. i really wanted to see your movie, and this trailer made it look even cooler. so dont be offended by me at all, i am just a stupid teenager with my opion, lol
i really do love your movies though, you could easy make it to hollywood.
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ssjaaron wrote:

well the thing is, is i dont like seeing that stuff, and i belive it is a waste to put in a movie. i really wanted to see your movie, and this trailer made it look even cooler. so dont be offended by me at all, i am just a stupid teenager with my opion, lol
i really do love your movies though, you could easy make it to hollywood.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion. In the end actually, it's all a matter of taste. But it is also a commercial reason. I am trying to sell this thing and and that level (ultra low budget B-movies), well, you need a bit of that.

As I said, my offer is still standing: I'll send you the film without naughty bits if you really want to see it. But if you are offended by swearing (it happens - they are soldiers (some of the actors are) - all the soldiers I know swear like sailors - I would too!) - then I guess it's moot... LOL

Thanks again.

Tarn - the sound thing is very right and I am working on it - I'll post when I have an updated sound version.

As for the structure, people who have seen the film see it and feel this trailer is the best of all (in terms of structure I mean - only one person so far liked the sound! LOL!). People who haven't seen the film don't see it - which means two things: I failed miserably at communicating the story in this trailer for people who haven't seen the film and I am probably too damn close to this thing already. I do have a feeling I can no longer see the forest for the tree...

I guess I should do a re-release of the original teaser with updated CG/effects shots before I am chased out of town... LOL!
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I liked it. Pretty awesome.
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As for the movie, I agree with Tarn on many levels. Though I cant comprehend some of the things he talked about, i have my own reasons to fill in the place.

First of all, i think it lacked the punch a trailer should have. Like tarn said, trailers are usually a story of their own.

Second, though 99% of the time the color was awesome, there was a shot or two that slipped in there that was poorly enhanced and several shots where the actors seemed to be missing a backlight, so they kinda blended with the background a little too much.

Now, I'm not saying i could do any better (quite the contrary actually biggrin) but I'm convinced that you can. Oh, and another thing, seeing as it was filmed on miniDV cameras, there wasnt a whole lot of depth of field. That's what made it look less like a 'real' film most. Not that you can change that now, and It's not really that big of a deal anyway smile
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Marek wrote:

though 99% of the time the color was awesome, there was a shot or two that slipped in there that was poorly enhanced and several shots where the actors seemed to be missing a backlight, so they kinda blended with the background a little too much.
It would be most helpful if you pointed said shots that you felt were poorly enhanced.

Thanks.
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Well, 'poorly' probably wasnt the word for it, but some of the shots that were outside looked a little funny, there was a green tint which was most likely put there deliberately but personally, i think it should be toned down a little bit. I mean, it was just too green. Maybe you want it that way, and who knows. It is your movie, and i think you should be able to do it however you want biggrin
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Rating: +1

That looks amazing, but Recon 2020: The Carpet (?) Massacre is a really really weird title. Yup, that's it.

I think I'll just stop talking because you probably won't change the name anyways...
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Ah yes, that's something else I meant to mention: the subtitle was a little hard to read. Could just be due to compression, but still...
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It's definitely due to compression: It's supposed to be The Caprini Massacre. It reads fine on a normal sized screen or on TV.
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I thought it was pretty good. However, there was too much dialogue coming from the characters for it to be a trailer, especially when the story doesn't even show. I don't know what this movie is going to be about. Nothing intrigued me except for the fact that I know the filmmaker (you obviously) and I am curious of your abilities. They look good. But also there is still that "amateur" feel to it. But I guess you are an amateur so I guess that explains that. Sorry if this is too harsh.

Like everyone has said, the sound needs some work. So I'm not going to get into details about that.

Some of the CG looked a little like a cartoon and didn't blend in with the movie. Wasn't because of the CG itself, but I think more along the lines of its color.

I hate criticizing to your work because I know for a fact I cannot do any better. You are a great filmmaker and I know you'll be up there one day with the greats.

One thing I would suggest is that with talent like yours, write something emotional, realistic, something to get someone really into and "feel" the movie and will make an impact. That will really get you started off. In a film festival or something, you would be better off with a movie like that.

I wish you the best of luck!! I know you'll do great! biggrin
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Hey great work, totally top notch and very impressive.

I am curious though, what camera did you use to shoot it? (apologies if this is covered somewhere and I missed it)

It's nice to see someone making such high quality movies, talk about inspiration.
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thanks John, you rock! i would love to have an edited version. i dont mind the swaring very much, i dont like it, but i can stand it. lol
well when it comes out tell me when i can get the edited version.
thanks so much. You Rock! hugegrin
thank you
peace out
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ssjaaron wrote:

thanks John, you rock! i would love to have an edited version. i dont mind the swaring very much, i dont like it, but i can stand it. lol
well when it comes out tell me when i can get the edited version.
thanks so much. You Rock! hugegrin
thank you
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-ssjaaron
They don't swear that much!

And as mentionned before - ishot with a mix of MiniDV and DVCAM.

Cheers!
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GODLY GODLY GODLY GODLY GODLY GODLY GODLY GODLY GODLY GODLY GODLY GODLY GODLY GODLY GODLY GODLY GODLY GODLY GODLY GODLY GODLY GODLY GODLY ! Cant wait for the actual movie. It looks like a movie that would be put in the theatres. GODLY GODLY GODLY
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great job
looks pro to me
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I have to be honest, when it comes to to the most professional looking movie so far on this site, I am going to have to go with this one. DXM is amazing and so is Art of the Saber and all those other big name movies on this site, but in terms of honest professional looking quality and all, this takes the cake. I mean, I could literally see this movie advertised on a commercial break on like the superstation..and not think anything of it, that is how amazingly professional this looks. This is 5 star work in my eyes, and you've got yourselves a download when it comes out. Great work...and the young blonde is hot.
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Not to belabor a point but..

Which DV and which DVCAM cameras? I scanned the thread (this one) twice but must have missed where you discussed it.

Thanks!
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Anonymous wrote:

Not to belabor a point but..

Which DV and which DVCAM cameras? I scanned the thread (this one) twice but must have missed where you discussed it.

Thanks!
You want actual models?

Sony VX-2000
PD-150 and I don't remmeber the exact model of DVCAM. It was a Sony though. Had it for 3 days out of the 13 that the shoot lasted.
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What did you use to make your character look like zombies?
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Very slick john, that just about the best results ive ever seen with prosumer cameras!

However..Where have all the nipples gone? i feel let down....I suppose i'll let you off because ive got a vx2100, and apparently, you like sonys dv cams as much as i do, so great job!
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Very impressive stuff. Well, even though the trailer itself is somewhat dis-jointed, the individual elements seen in it definitely let me know that this is going to be a decent film, amatuer or not. The only thing that really made me cringe was when one of your main characters said "We're in deep doo-doo." Doo doo? Man, I really hope that line doesn't make the final cut.
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wdy wrote:

What did you use to make your character look like zombies?
Gelatine and food coloring.
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Is the chick gona get naked?????
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i was joking about the nipples thing, by the way...
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The Movie looks like you put in a lot of effort. I can't wait to see the finished product. How long will it be? If you can't put it on your website because of space issues I might be able to post it on mine. I am in a band & we played for a guys sons wedding. He owns an ISP & gives me unlimited webspace & bandwidth. So, I might be able to arrange something.
B S & H B Productions
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The special effects looked great. Cant wait to see the whole movie. How long will it be? The quality was great!

CAM_FILMS
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Hell, this is great !!!
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JohnCarter:
The special effects in the trailer were awesome - I wish we had the resources to accomplish that high of quality CG. I didn't catch what medium you shot this on - could you tell it again if you already have? As far as story - I can't really tell if the film will be good or not just from this trailer - but there's an obvious body of work here that compels one to see more. Personally I'm not a big fan of sci-fi films (I may have just signed my death warrant by saying that - but what are ya gonna do?) but it's obvious that a vast amount of effort was put into this. Because trailers don't really give you a good idea if the film is good or not, I'm interested to see the full film in hopes that you were able to make good use of the amazing effects by combining them with a well developed story. Congratulations beforehand for doing such a big project - I can only imagine the time put into this. Cheers.

AJ
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He mentioned the Panasonic DX100 & the VX2000 as far as I remember

Edit - VX2000, Sony PD-150 & another DVCAM.
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ajjax44 wrote:

Personally I'm not a big fan of sci-fi films (I may have just signed my death warrant by saying that - but what are ya gonna do?) but it's obvious that a vast amount of effort was put into this.
Not too sure I understand your first comment - not everybody likes sci-fibut that doesn't mena it's punishable by death! LOL!

Over a year of work so far has been put into this... i can tell you right now I am FED UP!
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Ever see Trekkies? I watched it in class the other day....Now I'm paranoid.....o_O lol - jk. It seems like almost everyone on the site is superfans of sci-fi and perhaps my (poor attempt at) humour will remain misunderstood but oh well. AJ
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Yeah, I saw trekkies... Know what you mean. But not everybody is like that. Just look at my good friend Sollthar...wink

Sci-Fi is just another way to tell stories. I just want ways to shoot action and effects within a story. Sci-Fi is a natural for that.

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I'm no mad sci-fi freak wearing odd sci-fi stuff... Just look at my avatar. confused
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Do what you gotta do - I just don't care for sci-fi myself - I was coming down from a 16 hour shoot when I posted the dumb joke, so forget I said anything. Sollthar is a badass - there's no question about that. Even though it's not my cup-o-tea I still appreciate what I've seen of your film for the obvious time and effort put into it, as well as the quality of the elements. Looking forward to seeing the finished product. Keep up the good work - PS: is there any way to see ur feature films (I checked ur website and saw you have made a few features)? T'care.
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I liked this one alot. I gave this a five as well as your "RECON REVAMPED ORIGINAL TEASER". Very well done.
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That trailer was totally awesome!
You keep impressing me with every different trailer you make.
Your sound effects sounded great to me and I really loved the cgi and the camera angles.
Once again, great job, I haven't seen a Canadian movie look so good.
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mod_007 wrote:

I haven't seen a Canadian movie look so good.
It's true that our Canadian films tend to not look very good, now, do they?

I don't know why...

Thanks for your encouragement!
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What is the music in the trailer?
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What is the music in the trailer?
It's a song from the Plunkett & MacLane soundtrck. Terrible movie. Kick ass soundtrack.
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I didn't want to take the time to read all of that stuff....so sorry in advance if someone has asked this already but who did you CG? that's awsome!
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QC_Helix wrote:

What is the music in the trailer?
the song is called Escape by Craig Armstrong. There's another version of it used in the soundtrack for the Patriot. It's longer and slower.
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I have to say I was impressed with your props. That was really cool.
But sadly I did not like the music, the boob shot (could have done without that), the doodu, and the ending. The ending ruined it for me, that scream and the cheesy transition. Yuck!
Like I said, I was impressed with your props, and even the amount of people/extras.
But I gave it a 3 star for the props.

Did you steal the music from another preview?
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Music is subjective and ultimately a matter of taste. Same goes for boobs and transitions for that matter...

I didn't steal the music from another preview - I "stole" it from a film soundtrack, as mentionned two post earlier.
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I really can't wait to see this movie! What is the rating going to be? And is the sexual content pretty high?
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It would be general admittance here in Quebec but I guess for the sensitive Americans standards, it would be PG-13...

Sexual content isn' that high - actually very mild. Things are mostly suggested/hinted at.

It's a sci-fi action movie with horor elements.

Nothing more, nothing less.

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I hate those american standards :&rt;
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Rating: +2

Well, for an outside observer, American standards are pretty wild...

I mean it's okay to splatter somebody's brain all over - you barely get a raised eyebrow or even a nasty rating but show a nipple and everybody is up in arms...

Chances are you'll see someone naked in your life more often than you'll see brains scattered - unless you are a soldier. I am not sure that violence is less offensive than nudity... But it seems that way in the States. A nipple flashed during the superbowl has the whole nation in hysterics but the daily body count in US TV shows is in the hundreds at anytime on pretty much every channels and everybody shrugs as if there was nothing there!

Murder and violence is entertainment, as long as if it's not done by a gun it's even allowed in G rated movies - and it is OK in the cartoons but sex - which is the basis without which there would be no families to enforce the strong American family values - is taboo. And then kids brings guns to school because that's how they see problems get solved daily on TV and everybody scratches their heads why?

It is beyond hypocritical - go figure!

So to the sex-phobic I have only one thing to say: JUST DON'T WATCH MY MOVIES! It's only a movie. And I won't change my stories, my views of the world and the way I shoot for ANYONE! So you are preaching in the desert. I am sick and tired of these stupid comments. I am an adult and I make movies I'd like to watch. A "JohnCarter" movie will ALWAYS have BABES, GUNS & EXPLOSIONS and the occasional SWEARING - so you are now WARNED. If the sight of a human female has you all choked up, DO NOT WATCH!!! I do my movies tastefully and as far as I am concerned - and in my culture - which deserves to be respected as much as any other - what I do is not offensive, sleazy or anything else. It is just what it is: ENTERTAINMENT.

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I agree with everything you said. The FCC is crazy. Theyre so appalled by the super bowl thing that the littlesst of things are getting tossed off the air. When someone won a grammy a few years ago, they said a little curse. Nothing happened about that until this year they were talking about fining him for it. The Howard Stern show has been taken off the air in some states. Whats this world(or really country) coming to. I hear England is very leinent towards all this stuff.
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Brettsta wrote:

Whats this world(or really country) coming to. I hear England is very leinent towards all this stuff.
Wait. Are you complaining that morals are going down the drain, or that the US stinks? Personally, I don't like sexual content OR gory violence, but I don't mind a simple love scene or a good action sequence.

However, I can think of possibly one reason that sexual content is, to a certain extent, off-limits (although that's ironic since mainstream music and movies, and even TV, are saturated with it). Basically this reason is that only a few wackos are going to shoot people because of various entertainment forms, but a lot of people will go out and be promiscuous after seeing sex everywhere they turn.

But I don't condone the hypocricy of the US. Or of anybody for that matter. Because most people are hypocrites anyway.
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I don't know where you live Lloyd but in los Angeles where I lived for a whole year, they have metal detectors in school in case kids brings guns and knifes at school...

You are the only civilized country in the world with schools shootings. That alone should tell you that there is a problem.

Sexual content or Gory violence or any violence at all or lack thereof is a matter of choice for an individual and must be respected. That being said, strong and often wrong sexual and violent content is being peddled to kids with very little intervention or common sense.

Still in LA, I remember seeing a billboard that will remain with me for life. it was a giant advertisement for some rapper CD. It stated: DJ so and so (can't remember who he was) is currently serving a life sentence in LA County Jail for rape and murder. This album is his legacy.

The message was clear: this guy is cool, too bad he got caught raping and murdering but look! He's a millionaire who can afford billboards all over the city and buy his music and he'll tell you about his life of crime and how he pimped all those hoes...

It angered me to see that billboard. Still makes me fume. I'm sure the guy sold millions of CDs... But in the end, it's the consumer's choice - but parents have a responsability towards what their kids see, listen to and do.

When I see ten years old girls dressed like street hookers because they want to imitate Britney Spears, I wonder who shelled out the $500 bucks to dress them like cheap whores? Who didn't take the time to explain to their own children that this is not a proper attire for a ten year old? Sadly it is probably the same parent that wants to sue the network because Janet Jackson had a breast pop out of her costume... Which is overly tight anyways because that is the only way Janet will sell her albums... Half naked. If she's not hot and sexy, nobody will buy it! And those albums are paid for for the most part by the same conservative parents who are so upset to find out she wears nipple rings...

And all those kids who go to Britney's shows - or any other half naked pop starlet - at the prices of tickets nowadays, who pays for them? Not the kids unless they have allowances the size of PDG's weekly lunch money in petty cash... So for an oustide observer, American parents are OK to see a pop star acting like a depraved stripper on stage as long as her nipples are hidden on her translucent costume - http://channels.netscape.com/ns/music/artists/gallery.jsp?floc=g-spears3&gname=spears&gproj=s&grurl=http%3A%2F%2Fchannels.netscape.com%2Fns%2Fmusic%2Fvideos%2Fdefault.jsp&photo=3

I rest my case.

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Oh no, I like the US smile But I dont like that they get so crazed over things like the superbowl thing. Was it really that "offending"??? Give me a break.

Movies/video games with guns dont make kids use them or kill people. I hate those accusations ehre too. He shot him because he played Grand Theft Auto. That frustrates me.
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Wow, John you have such strong comments, and I agree with you all the way.

Brettsta I agree with you too, whoever blames videogames everytime some dumb kid kills someone, who or what do they blame it on? VIDEOGAMES!! 50 years ago it was comic books now it's videogames....
Everytime the news says some kid killed someone, you can count the seconds that the news reporter will say, he played videogames...

Whoever thinks that videogames are the reason for kids murdering someone else should be beaten with a stick!....well, ok not litterally....
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It's not videogames, it's not movies, it's nothing but this:

Parents don't talk to their kids anymore - they buy them stuff. They don't listen to them, they put them in front of video game consoles and TVs instead of listening. They don't tell them what life is all about - they hope they'll learn by osmosis.

They don't want them to see, hear or talk about sex yet they freak out when their daughter is pregnant or their son has AIDS...

They don't understand why their kids are so angry they feel the solutions to their problems is to dress like in the Matrix and shoot all the jocks...

If somebody listened to them, supported them and helped them instead of buying them the latest DVD or Playstation, maybe they wouldn't take daddy's gun at school Monday morning...
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JohnCarter wrote:

I don't know where you live Lloyd but in los Angeles where I lived for a whole year, they have metal detectors in school in case kids brings guns and knifes at school...

You are the only civilized country in the world with schools shootings. That alone should tell you that there is a problem.
A whole year... really? Wooooow. You know, LA is the only place in the world where schools have metal detectors, and where kids will bring guns or knives to school. Did you know that? True fact. I heard from one of my democrat friends. He also told me that Bush let's kids buy the guns and he knew about 9/11 before he was even Governor. Amazing, innit?

I'm sure there are school shootings in other countries. But since you hate the US, of course you'd say that we're "the only civilised country in the world with school shootings". Whatever.

Now this is probably going to turn into something against Bush, because he's been the number one cause of any concern in the US for hundreds of years. Let's not get like that, eh?

So, we sensitive americans don't want our little kids going to see a movie that has extreme violence or nudity. What a pity. And ALL little girls in the entirety of america dress like whores because britney spears told them to. Do little girls dress like that in Canada too? Or is that just a US thing? I'm sure if they do it here, they do it there. Or are you just talking about what you've seen on CNN? If the US is so bad, stop looking at it all the time, and instead enjoy your rolling canadian backdrops, and general audiences rated nude scenes. Because I am really tired of hearing canadians tell me why MY country is going down the drain.

Find something to complain about in your own country.

As for the issue of censorship, I'm glad people are trying to censor what people can or cannot see on Tv, or in videogames. It's not like they're eradicating it entirely. I don't give a horses ass that Howard stern isn't on the radio anymore. I'm glad. The guy's a moron. Shame on Janet Jackson for exposing herself to sell a cd (which people are going to download anyway, so it's not like it matters). Good for President Bush for putting filth like this to an end. Amen.

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If somebody listened to them, supported them and helped them instead of buying them the latest DVD or Playstation, maybe they wouldn't take daddy's gun at school Monday morning...
Are you going to be that somebody? Or are you just going to write a long letter to each and every neglectful parent of every single child in the world (since, that's what you're saying, right? That every parent is a bad parent?) and tell them. That'll fix it.
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Aculag wrote:

I heard from one of my democrat friends. He also told me that Bush let's kids buy the guns and he knew about 9/11 before he was even Governor. Amazing, innit?
I heard that him and Cheney were sitting in Crawford, Texas using remote controls to crash the planes.

I'm sick of all of these damn black helicopter theories. Libs, need to shut up and get a new hobby. Bush didn't attack US, Arabs did.

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Aculag, you can be such a moron at times. It seems to me you only look for what you want to see. Did you read properly what I wrote before jumping on your high horse? I used a couple of exemples I saw in LA because things are mor eobvious there - we have rules in adverstising here that would not permit such a billboard for example - but nothing that prevents the CD for being sold. That's all. I was talking about the entertainm,ent industry in general and how people should be allowed to make their own choices but how there should be a control on the parts of the responsible adults. If people didn't spend money on Britney Spears (still JUST an exemple) she wouldn't pursue what she does... it's a simple matter of economics.

You live in LA, right? Go for a stroll in Hollywood and check the metal detectors and security guards with metal detectors that check the children when they walk in the morning... You have metal detectors in other schools as well.

As for shootings in school, I didn't take that on CNN - it's an unreliable news source not much better than imdb or Ain't it Cool news. Got it from Reuters. I didn't pull it out of my ass.

I do not hate the US and I have very good friends who are Americans. You don't even know me how can you say that I hate the US? Because I have strong opinions? Because you piss all over MY culture? If I listen to you, only you are right and only you knows best... Because I happen to not understand why seeing a tit will screw up a kid for life? What about breast feeding then? Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it's not there unconsciously. And by Jove! it's your own mother's breast! HICK! Call the morality squad!

As for the dressing like whores, I was talking in general - if you read properly, you'd have gotten that. It happens here as well - it's permeated in the culture - because that's the culture we sponsor with our hard earned cash - Americans AND Canadians.

As far as Children goes, I didn't say every parent was a bad parent. But deciding to have a child is a big responsability and if you can't handle it, have enough respect for the life you force on this Earth to not do it.. My personal choice is to never have children. That doesn't mean that when I see mistreated children it doesn't piss me off.

As usual, you choose to pick and choose what suits you, distorts people's statements and generally show how immature you are.

I'm sure you will be a great dad!

And as far as I am concerned, as a Canadian, I am SICK and TIRED of George Bush telling the WORLD how things gotta be...

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And as far as I am concerned, as a Canadian, I am SICK and TIRED of George Bush telling the WORLD how things gotta be...
Finally one of you are admitting that WE dictate what the world does. We are the super power...ah feels nice.

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You dictate nothing. You just try to and bully people into it when it doesn't go your way... Or take your big guns and just go take it like the oil in Irak...

In a few years, when the water will be scarce because of over-pollution and over-population, I guess you'll come for us up North... After all, we have the biggest amount of non-salted water in the world...

That'd make a great movie - WATER WARS... LOL!
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dic·tate     P   Pronunciation Key  (dktt, dk-tt)
v. dic·tat·ed, dic·tat·ing, dic·tates
v. tr.

1. a. To control or command
b. To prescribe with authority; impose: dictated the rules of the game.

Sounds about right to me...
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I hate these arguments. Merely because they show how narrow minded & introvert some people can be.

If, for you, Georgie is the embodiment of your country, your beliefs & identity, then I feel sorry for you.
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Mellifluous wrote:

If, for you, Georgie is the embodiment of your country, your beliefs & identity, then I feel sorry for you.
Nah...imo "Georgie" is a bit too much of a push over...Now Reagan there was a leader.

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dic·tate     P   Pronunciation Key  (dktt, dk-tt)
v. dic·tat·ed, dic·tat·ing, dic·tates
v. tr.

1. a. To control or command
b. To prescribe with authority; impose: dictated the rules of the game.

Sounds about right to me...
Whatever rocks your boat Canta. Then wonder why so many countries fear or despise yours... And why so many crazy lunatics want to blow you guys up... America has an egocentric, nombrilistic image abroad, something strangely you guys can't seem to see. Comments like yours are a good exemple of that arrogant attitude. It's sad.

Your country acts like it is the only one that knows and does what's right. if you are not an American, you are a moron. We are nice to you only if you have something we want. If you don't give it to us, we'll take it anyways because we can kick anybody's ass... Blah blah blah. It's true that you can destroy the whole planet. Makes you sleep better at night I bet. But what tells the world that your country is responsible enough to handle such a responsability? Especially since whenever it doesn't suit the US, they brush over other Nations. Where are those WMD so ready to blow up in Irak? Everybody was saying there was no proof. Your country went anyways to a country they don't understand and don't care much about. Pictures the likesof that LT who was with 2 Iraqi children thumbing up with a poster that said: LT so and so killed my father and then knocked up my sister go a long way towards showing how much you really care about the Iraqi people you "freed". That freedom is to guarantee a steady supply of oil, nothing else. Your country should be honest about it.


I guess we just have to take georgie's word for it...

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Bunchastuff
Hey now. I don't choose what I want to see, and what I don't. I see what goes on around me, but I'm a republican so I don't hate all of it.

Don't ever call me a moron or immature again. If I was immature, I'd be agreeing with you because you're older than me. Or I'd be saying "Dawg, you don't listen to rap, you're too square!".

As always, I respect your opinions, but you're acting like the US is to blame for all the problems of the world, and that because things aren't so uncensored here, it makes things bad.

Yes, I live in LA. Yes, I know that there are metal detectors. No, I don't care. I don't go to Hollywood High, and I'm glad I went to school in Colorado (don't f*cking bring up Columbine), where I grew up in a nice community. BUT, the kids who go to school in LA DIDN'T grow up in a nice community. Maybe you lived in Beverly Hills or Bel Air or something when you were here, and just stumbled into the "Black part of town" and went inside the schools and got beeped at by the metal detectors, but LA is not a good place to raise kids. This is why my HORRIBLE HORRIBLE american parents moved us to Colorado so that my sister and I could live a good, safe life as we grew up. Now I'm back, tearin it up.

As for the Reuters article, show me, I'd like to read it, now that I know CNN didn't say it.

I'm glad you don't hate the US. Since when am I pissing on your culture?

As for dressing as whores, I must have read that properly, since I was asking you if little girls dress like that in Canada too. That wasn't trying to be sarcastic or testy at all. Maybe you read mine improperly.

What the hell is "I'm sure you will be a great dad" supposed to mean? For one thing, I don't even plan (at this juncture) on having children because I hate kids, and another thing, I'm sure YOU'D be sooo much better of a father, having your kid grow up around the [HIV infested] porn stars you get to act in your movies.

We have different values Christian. Let's leave it at that, and stop this quarrel, because in the end, nothing will have come from it, except two people disliking eachother for no good reason.
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On a sidenote, it's interesting to see... I live on the other side of the world. Yet I see at least 7 "f*** Bush" signs, graffities or notes on my way to uni... Always found that very intriguing. smile
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the fact that yall are bitching in english and not german is just a testament to how much America rocks.

Not a swipe at German's or German speakers just Nazis.

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Moron. if bitching in english says anything, its about the english languages namesake origin - england!
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But he said "yall". That's not proper English. That's AMERICAN English.
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Xcession- Not really...yall would have been in that whole Nazi take over if we hadn't come to your aid, and sadly if we had waited we would have too.

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I think he's sayin, if it wasn't for the US of A we'd all be under Hitler's rule, & I agree. I do value America's aid in WW2. Though it could have been a bit sooner.
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Ah yes. *shudders*

don't even get me started on the whole bastardised language debate!
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Ihr könnt auch in Deutsch weiterstreiten wenn ihr wollt. Das Problem ist einfach, dass sich dann keiner verstehen würde und ich dann alles übersetzen muss. Und dafür hab ich leider keine Zeit. smile
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DAMN YOU SOLLTHAR!!!!!!!

*crane shot moves into the sky*
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MUAHAHA

*music starts and the endcredits appear*
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*crowd walks away unsaitisfied at the five second film they just watched*
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*The producer appears and shouts at Aculag and Sollthar for spending the 2'000'000 $ budget on drinks and girls instead of a script*
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"Next week on fxhome, Aculag has a startling discovery about his sexuality, and Sollthar has an explosive encounter with a bridge"
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Well, John, I agree with you on every count except about why everyone hates Americans. I mean really, I think most people hate us because we're richer than them. Would you rather we sit on our butts trying to please ourselves like the stupid isolationists we were in the 1930s and let another world war develop? I'd sure hope not, although my opinions might change if they reinstate the draft (in Kansas City, they're looking for people to fill the local draft boards. :&rt; ).

But yes, American is a mess, morally. Brett and mod, you won't like me saying this, but violent video games to contribute to violence. True, few people will go out and shoot their classmates because of a video game, but it does influence people.
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Xcession wrote:

"Next week on fxhome, Aculag has a startling discovery about his sexuality, and Sollthar has an explosive encounter with a bridge"
Sneak Preview:

*gasp!* I'm in love with xcession... But I'm also in love with Tarn and JohnCarter!

Sollthar says, "Get thee to a nunnery!"
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cantaclaro wrote:

the fact that yall are bitching in english and not german is just a testament to how much America rocks.

Not a swipe at German's or German speakers just Nazis.

Canta unsure
If my memory serves me well, it was a WORLD War...

Canadians liberated parts of France - they have statues to Canadians there. Russians freed most of the part that ended up theirs after the war - that's why it was "given" to them... There is statues to Americans as well because they did contribute a lot. They had to get attacked first before they moved but that's for another debate. wink

But despite the fact they were not alone in the War, despite all the other countries contributing to the war effort, America acts like it won the war alone.

Just another point that proves how arrogant the US comes across worldwide.

Non-Americans soldiers who gave their lifes to free Europe are worth less than an American life? Is that what you mean? That's how it is coming across... And it is insulting to all my relatives who died in World War II...
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I don't hate Americans really, i just look upon them with a kind of bemused contempt.

Its not that they are bad people, and per capita i don't think you are any richer than england, germany or france; its just that Americans have a tendancy to display irritatingly moronic narrow-mindedness in the face of reason, and a *seemingly* arrogant disregard for anyone but themselves, unless those people affect them in some way.

I say *seemingly* because when you live in a country several tens, if not hundreds the size of someone elses, it may seem to those other people that if the americans don't know about something outside their country, its their self-obsession ignorance. In reality, the fact is that in a nation that knows so little about itself even, its hardly logical they they'd know more about any other.

Americans are also often seen as mob-mentality drones, aproving ludicrous campaigns, and thinking as a group and not as individuals. However again, a certain amount of this is down to their society, which despite being english speaking, can be as different to england or europe, as the orient is. In a compensation society so backboned by freedoms of the individual, and of national pride and togetherness, its only logical that people will band together, albeit subconsciously.

Americans are often charicatured by such phrases as "England - thats....that place near ...paris right?", along with numerous other mind-boggling feats of abject stupidity. But given that england and france combined are the size of a handful of american states, it seems a bit more logical that they'd be unfamiliar with another country (although still, to be so poor a geography you're unsure where britain actually is, is pretty damned stupid).

I was in Edinburgh (thats near barcelona, americans) during the summer festival once, and some japanese tourists asked me if they erected the edinburgh castle for the festival, then took it down again at the end of the season! Proof that its not just america with the ignorance of other cultures
- a suitable amount of distance between countries seems to be just as effective as a being in a huge country, when it comes to lack of worldly knowledge and a self-inflated ego.

With such an apparent lack of knowledge of events, cultures and countries outside their own continent, it would stand to reason that they have become somewhat egoistic: its not the fault of the people, per se, but rather the societies psychology, conducive to the size of their country.
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First, I don't hate everything I see. And second I'm neither Republican nor Democrat. I see things in shades, not in black and white. And there is a lot of shades of grey in the world.

Immaturity in the sense I was using has nothing to do with age or with agreeing with me because I am older than you. I have no issue with rap - I have issues when rap glamorizes a criminal lifestyle to impressionable children and when nobody is there to help the children understand that this is not a healthy lifestyle - that it is as much make believe as TV and books and films.

I am not acting, neither did I say that the US was to blame for anything in terms of entertainment. I only said that I find it odd that your rating system is so smooth on violence yet so strong on nudity. It was merely an outsider's perception and I mentionned it was so. I do not claim to understand why it is like this in the States, I am merely saying it seems weird to me, from an outsider's perpsective. I was wondering why showing a naked girl gets a NC-17 ratings whereas blowing somebody's guts out graphically gets a PG-13?!?! It's a legitimate question I think.

I lived in Hollywood Aculag... I saw it first hand everyday on my way to work. But your statement "A whole year... really? Wooooow. You know, LA is the only place in the world where schools have metal detectors, and where kids will bring guns or knives to school. Did you know that? True fact. I heard from one of my democrat friends. He also told me that Bush let's kids buy the guns and he knew about 9/11 before he was even Governor. Amazing, innit?" seems designed to be construed in a way that suggests what I was saying wasn't true, yet you acknowledge it in your next post. Hence my comment about you wanting to see only what you want to see knowing you live in LA.

I will gladly show you the Reuters article - I'll scan it and post it for you.

"If the US is so bad, stop looking at it all the time, and instead enjoy your rolling canadian backdrops, and general audiences rated nude scenes." is a sentence so drenched in sarcasm that it could be construed - it was by me I admit - as "pissing" on my culture. because nudity doesn't offend me is no reason to put me or my country down. I was merely asking, once again, WHY is nudity such an issue in the US when violence is not?

"Find something to complain about in your own country. " - I already do. I have plenty to bitch about in my own country in two official languages! It's just that our problems don't end up in International news night after night... LOL!

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As for dressing as whores, I must have read that properly, since I was asking you if little girls dress like that in Canada too. That wasn't trying to be sarcastic or testy at all. Maybe you read mine improperly.
- It did come across as sarcastic. My apologies for misinterpreting then. And you didn't read the statement properly since I was talking in general, therefore including Canada in my comment.

I do not hate the US. I do not hate any country in general - just some towns. Like Paris. I hate Paris! Don't ever get me started on Paris!

But there is things I do not like in the US, like there is things I do not like in my country and other countries. This debate came from my answering of all these people who bitch about nudity or appearance of nudity in my films. I'm sick of it. Sex is part of life and it part of my culture and we are not ashmaed/afraid of it. When there is nudity in what I do, there is ALWAYS a CLEAR statement that it is there for all the people who chose not to see such things. People who don't like that DO NOT HAVE TO WATCH!!! I am not forcing anybody to! So I am fed up with the whining about it - it's there and will not go away. So don't watch if it's not your bag but leave me the f**k alone! Because since it's clear it in it, I don't want to hear you disapprove of it since I warned you from day one! You can disapprove to your heart's content - just don't bother me if you knew it was there in the first place. Again, this is a blanket statement not aimed personnally at you Aculag.

As stated before, I have no intention to EVER have children as I don't think the world we live in is a nice play to raise a child period. besides I have too little faith in my parenthood abilities to even attempt it. But I am flabbergasted at the ineptitude of a lot of parents when I see some of the kids today. But again, I never put the blame on ALL parents. And defintely not on yours since I do not know them - despite your posted statement... Yet sometimes I wonder... wink

As far as I know, when I worked with porn stars, they weren't HIV positive, not that it would have bothered me - I was filming them, not having sex with them. Besides, they were used as "normal" actresses, not as their usual endevours. You stating that they were HIV positive could without the proof of it could get you sued in your country... Another interesting facet of your culture. The pornstars I worked with weren't my choice - it was a choice made by the producers for a very simple reason: SEX sells. Maybe it wouldn't sell so much if it wasn't so hidden? Just an idea. The cioncept of making pornographic actors into STARS is an American invention by the way. The concept that people who have intercourse in front of a camera can become stars boggle the mind, doesn't it? Yet it is a billion dollars industry - bigger that the real film industry worldwide...

That's why they casted porn stars for the film those smart producers... They got international stars for a fraction of the salary of a real, American movie star...

And you know what? Surprisingly, they were mostly very good actresses!

And you know what? The biggest interest they got for these so called stars was from the US and England... LOL!

It is very true that we share different values - that makes neither of us a bad person.

And it takes more than a spat on the net for me dislike somebody.

If I disliked you, I'd ignore you.

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I mostly agree with what you're saying about sex in movies being "worse" than violence, but I don't think you should try and make it seem like we americans are stupid for trying to censor it. I like sex. I mean, who doesn't right? But I don't think little kids should be exposed to it early. Nor do I think they should get exposed to violence.

The only reason any movie would be NC-17 is if it has extremely graphic depictions of sex, or violence. Mostly, movies are NEARLY NC-17 because of violence, not sex. Kill Bill for instance had to make that one scene black and white to avoid an NC-17, and there's no sex in that.

Granted, there are movies like The Dreamers that are NC-17 for sex, but that's different. That's graphic sex.

I guarantee you that unless the sex is REALLY graphic, a movie will be NC-17 for violence. What's worse? A closeup, slow motion shot of someone's head getting cut off with a wood saw, or a scene of someone having sex?

Now, to continue our original fight....

Shut the hell up. biggrin
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I agree with you that graphic sex deserves and should get an NC-17... That's obvious.

The sex or the violence was pretty mild in my moral barometer for Paul Veroheven's Basic Instinct yet it was NC-17...

The violence in Kill Bill - despite the black and White - is abysmally considerably worse than anything in Basic Instinct yet he got an R rating... It's not because you show dismemberment in Black & White that it makes the action less violent...

I wasn't trying to make Americans sound stupid for censoring sex. I just want to UNDERSTAND why is a nipple is such a big deal if a brain splattered isn't???

I never said it was stupid. Just that it is weird for me - as an outsider - therefore inferring that I do not by definition understand all the underlying issues of a red blooded American... I would think that at least that much was clear.

I am just asking for an explanation. And I pointed out what I found odd. It wasn't an attack on all things American.
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Basic Instinct is rated R, not NC-17.

I understand what you want to UNDERSTAND, but obviously, no one is going to tell you. Ask the MPAA.
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Aculag wrote:

Basic Instinct is rated R, not NC-17.

I understand what you want to UNDERSTAND, but obviously, no one is going to tell you. Ask the MPAA.
Maybe you got your copy at Blockbuster. My version was bought in the US and says NC-17. Even the trailer says it's NC-17 despite not showing anything remotely shocking or violent for that matter. On that neat, MPAA red reserved for offensive movies.

I have also an NC-17 version of the Desperado trailer with Salma Hayek's naked breasts in it for all those who say that they don't show breasts in trailers... And I am willing to risk all kinds of copyright infringement and post it on the net to prove my point! LOL!

I made the mistake of renting SPUN - a bad movie but I digress - at Blockbuster... And they went through the trouble of blurring out all the sexual parts of all the anatomies - male and females - in the film... Including a male butt... As if anybody would go hysteric about that - you even see that on heavily regulated normal TV! yet, funny enough, it's okay to show pictures of a dead princess in her car in primetime.

Now obviously a movie about rampant drug abuse is not for kids. So why the hell do I have to watch digitally created Barbies having sex (in a very ordinary - nothing usual, nothing graphic fashion) in a supposedly NC-17 movie if I am a consenting adult?

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Again, you're going to have to show me, because I haven't found anything anywhere saying anything about an NC-17 version of basic instinct. Maybe it's a director's cut? But even then, I think they say "Unrated" on dvds.

The way trailers go normally, is that the content in the trailer is either "Approved for all audiences" or it's "Restricted" If it's restricted, it gets a red background. I imagine that's what you're talking about?

Also, I have never once rented a movie ANYWHERE that has blurred things out. I think the only place you can get that kind of stuff is places that edit movies for Christians. Hey, you're Christian... Maybe that's why they did it! Has Blockbuster changed their policy?

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Aculag wrote:

Again, you're going to have to show me, because I haven't found anything anywhere saying anything about an NC-17 version of basic instinct. Maybe it's a director's cut? But even then, I think they say "Unrated" on dvds.

The way trailers go normally, is that the content in the trailer is either "Approved for all audiences" or it's "Restricted" If it's restricted, it gets a red background. I imagine that's what you're talking about?
It's a red background - written restricted - and saying that the follwing movie has recevied an NC-17 rating by the MPAA - I'll make a screen grab or something to show you.
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Desperado wasn't NC-17...
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Aculag wrote:

Also, I have never once rented a movie ANYWHERE that has blurred things out. I think the only place you can get that kind of stuff is places that edit movies for Christians. Hey, you're Christian... Maybe that's why they did it! Has Blockbuster changed their policy?
Funny enough it was a Canadian Blockbuster! In sin city Montreal itself Where we dumped Christianity here a while ago (speaking for the French part of the country here...) LOL!
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Aculag wrote:

Desperado wasn't NC-17...
No but the trailer was Restricted on a red background - my bad - I thought red meant NC-17... redface Most likely because of the breasts because everything else was similar to the "Green" approved for all audiences trailer where people just get shot, maimed and murdered...

See my point? LOL!
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So you see? Canada is just as restrictive as the US. At least in the rental department. Argument OVER.
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Aculag wrote:

So you see? Canada is just as restrictive as the US. At least in the rental department. Argument OVER.
Only at Blockbuster - which is an American company... wink Actually parts of Canada are almost US like restrictive and some are US like restrictive. I live in Quebec - which is the French part of Canada - and it is more open minded on sexual issues than the rest of Canada which is mostly anglo-saxon and composed in part of descendants of American loyalists who flew the US after it gained its independance because they wanted to remain under British rule... So I guess they inherited the prudeness... But in typical British fashion, they are also mercifully less gun friendly. Although there is always that pesky Alberta which sounds like a tranplanted Texas... What's up with people who have oil? Why do they become so conservative? (See, I am bitching at Canadians too)... And before I get Albertans harping on me, I am referring to your own extreme right political creation - which has now bizarely blended with the Conservative party... In the end Albertans, you are like right wing Quebecers - you want to separate as well! Two sides of the same coin! LOL!

I remember seeing ELECTION with Reese Withersppon with a friend from Vancouver. He couldn't believe the film was G here - apparently in Vancouver it was R amusingly enough... There is NOTHING in that film that could justify an R...

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Isn't there sex and language in Election? Not to mention characters that have no saving graces at all.

I hated every character in Election with a passion.
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Aculag wrote:

Isn't there sex and language in Election? Not to mention characters that have no saving graces at all.

I hated every character in Election with a passion.
That was the point of the movie I beleive. There is no explicit sex whatsoever in the film - merely the suggestion that Reese's character slept with her teacher - and I believe a couple of swear words if I remember correctly - much less than any Tarantino movie or average action flick.
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I think if the F-bomb gets dropped more than once, it can get an R-rating.

Movies have been less restrictive lately. Since Titanic, I think.
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I think he's sayin, if it wasn't for the US of A we'd all be under Hitler's rule, & I agree. I do value America's aid in WW2. Though it could have been a bit sooner.
I did a video book report on this the other day smile
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Heh, you should have a look at german censorship sometimes. It's very very weird too.
Yet germans are the other way round. You can show basically whatever nudity you want (except graphic sex of course) and thats not a big deal. It's not unoften you see naked breasts or more in an afternoon TV show.

But with violence, they get REAL picky. There are actual discussions ongoing about if it's okay to have a murder (ONE) every week in the tuesday night crime-movie.

And their policy in videogames is even funnier. I always have to buy US imports of games, because they either ban it (wich is amusing, the gamemagazines can write about it but are not allowed to mention the game's name or post pictures, for example "Doom") or censor it and delete all blood and let the dead bodies blink and disappear (Ghost Recon), call all humans robots and give them metal "clonk" sounds when they get hit (Command and Conquer / Soldier of Fortune) or change the bloods color to GREEN (Syphon Filter).



Censorship is a very odd subject to me anyways. I wrote a psychological dis about it and it's really really weird and frightening, how simple many people see the world. Not only in the US.
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Didn't know that about Germany...

Had I known, I would have bitched about it too... (See Aculag, I am not only against US censorship - I am against ALL censorship! wink).

The fact that we know so little about the rest of the world may have to do with the fact that we have 3 English Canadian TV channels and 297 American ones... And as pointed out before, America mostly talks about itself - even in the news... So we don't get much from the rest of the world. You watch English Canadian news and you get a fairly rounded portrait of the whole planet. You watch American news and you get stuff that directly or indirectly concerns American interests or sensational stuff that will bost ratings, for the most part. They do have some good shows with a bit more research put into it - but overall, it pretty focused on itself.

Same goes for movies. American own the movie theaters chain in a proportion of 98.3 % in the country so good luck to you if you want to catch a foreign movie...

And the few independant chains get the following deal:

If you want Jurassic Park (exemple) with which you'll make your fiscal year, you'd HAVE to take all the Pauly Shore (exemple) and other stinkers from the studio output, a practice known as "packaging"... So theathers have very little choice if they want to survice when they are not owned by American conglomerates... Canadians films have a hard time to find a theater that will show them - although a lot of them suck to be honest, at least a handful a year are decent and we never get to see them. Even in videoclubs it's hard - most of the big ones are American companies... And they don't carry much foreign films. And somehow have an aversion for subtitled movies.

And then they wonder why we comment so much on their country - we practically live in their backyards and are inundated daily with their culture which has nothing to do with our own... So of course we have stuff to say about it... LOL!

That being said, for the paranoid American FXhomers out there, I DO NOT BLAME America as a whole for the sorry cultural state of affair here in Canada. It's a complex issue that has to do with more than a few greedy megacorporations... It involves governments, business, culture, economics and the cultural laziness of Canadians...

Yet, it is an interesting fact than more than half of the movie stars in Hollywood are not even American born... And that over a quarter of those are actually Canadians... If an actor has any talent in Canada and what to have an actual career, he HAS to move to Hollywood or else he'll finish his life under a bridge pennyless...
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I hate Hollywood. It's become a gossip club based around all the celebrities, and most movies coming out these days from Hollywood are crap.
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I hate Hollywood. It's become a gossip club based around all the celebrities, and most movies coming out these days from Hollywood are crap.
It's true. lowest common denominator movies made to appeal to the widest audience possible. Logic, plot, emotions... Everything is fabricated. But like everythign else, there are a few gems in the dreck from time to time.
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Hi everybody!

RECON 2020 had it's premiere yesterday, May 23.

The film was very well received and enjoyed by the 140 people who attended the big screen projection.

This is what one of the attendees had to say:

"Recon 2020 is the latest movie from Montreal writer/director/editor Christian Viel. Set on an alien planet in a future time, it tells the violent story of what can go wrong on a recon mission where the soldiers face genetically engineered mutant humans, creatures, scavenger humans and cyborgs! Featuring more explosive pyrotechnics than your typical Hollywood blockbuster, the action is non stop, and the weaponry the soldiers carry would put the marines from Aliens to shame."

http://www.nattress.com/ for full commentary.

It is probably somewhat biased but still... High praise indeed!
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Congratulations! When do I get my DVD? biggrin

*gets the popcorn ready*
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Official DVD is out in the fall but I will send out "unofficial" ones in the meantime for the contributors such as yourself in about 2 weeks as I still have some tweaks to do on the film.

Of course, once i get the real thing, I'll send you one of those as well.
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More positive comments - this time from a festival organizer:

From Jarrett Mann, SPASM film festival organizer:

Great film: great effects, good one-liners, hot chicks, lot's of fun...
I had a good time!

I was very impressed. Especially with all the special effects. All the space shuttle scenes are great.

EDIT: we should find out next week if RECON will make it on the official selection at the Montreal world famous Fantasia Film Festival.

EDIT2: Yet another quote - Recon 2020 was relentless, stylish, inventive and side splitting Sci Fi gun-fest created by a fanboy for the fanboys. -- John Fallon (Arrow in the Head)
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Will the movie be downloadable here, with the inappropriate parts edited for the web? Also, what is the charge for the DVD (if any) and where do you ship to?
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To all Montrealers:

RECON will play at the Fantasia Festival July 28.

www.fantasiafest.com
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Sadly I'm stuck in friggin Texas. So I won't bee able to see RECON.
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AWESOME!! really, very, very cool.

I remember you sending me a link to an older trailer ages ago and it was pretty cool then. Cant wait to see the movie.
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Is there anywhere we can get the dvd from? smile
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I am told the DVD should be out in the late fall in most countries.
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Wait, you mean I could go to the store, and then, with my money, buy it! How exciting! What stores?
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Erm... I guess, yeah.

I managed to land distribution here in Canada. Then from there we landed US foreign sales agents who are in charge of selling it all over the world. They have sold a few countries already based on the trailer alone - about a dozen of them.

And currently the Canadian distributor is negotiating a deal with one of the biggest video retailer in the US (can't remember the name though, sorry) - so it means it'll be in Hollywood Video and Blockbuster (well, then again maybe not BB judging from the reaction to the second trailer)... and in general outlets like Wall-Mart, HMV and such...

Wouldn't hold my breath if you live in the Bible belt though. It will be most likely considered too offensive (there's a bit of swearing and colorful language and minor nudity) and chopped to bits.
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If we can't buy it from a store, will it be available for purchase online anywhere?
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I believe so... I think there will be an official RECON website launched a bit before they release the DVD so I don't see why they wouldn't sell it online...

Once I get the DVDs though - if you can't find it anywhere, let me know... I'm sure we can arrange something.
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Will do. What sort of extra features are you planning, if any?
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Thats amazing news. Congratulations!

Cant wait for the website to launch.
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Will do. What sort of extra features are you planning, if any?
Well, there will be a making of - I guess those are kind of standard. But ours is pretty funny.

Truck loads of production pics.

Production designs and storyboards.

A Space Channel interview they did on us before we managed to make the film into a full movie.

Trailers.

Some short films of mine.

A special RECON mission short (20 minutes) which will bridge this film and the next (working on this one as we speak - it has some cool use of my Fisher-Price PXL-2000!!!!) - trailer for this one should be up in a few weeks on FXhome. If it's not too big bandwidth wise I'll post the whole thing on the net as well.

A featurette on the making of the special FX and especially the CGI - since it was done all over the world via internet and most of the people who contributed CG ended up in the film with cameos (in communication screens) - also sent via the net!

A featurette about the presentation of the film at the Fantasia film festival (depends if we manage to shoot enough footage).

But in the end it will all depend on what I have time to do from here to September... LOL!

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Sounds radical.
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Sounds radical.
Well, I don't know. But if people are going to pay to watch a movie, why not give them as much as we can? It should be a 2 DVD affair.

And why not? It's fun!
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http://fantasiafestival.com/en/films/film_detail.php?id=1130

Great write up on the film from the Festival reviewer...

I'm blushing now.

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on the basis of the trailer its deservedly so - very impressive visuals. sorry i hadnt seen it sooner.

well done on the review.
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For those it might interest, here's a clip from the finished RECON:

http://movieseals.biz/RECONCLIP.htm
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Heh, that was sweet, JC, how much you want for the DVD? I am going to make a HUGE fxhome collection, I am willing to buy most DVDs, so if you have an offer, throw it at me.
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For those of you who live in England, more precisely in London, RECON will have it's European premiere at the Sci-Fi London film Festival http://www.sci-fi-london.com/2005web/festival.htm at a date yet to be annouced by the Festival but sometimes in February i guess since the festival is in that period.

You can check out the details: http://www.sci-fi-london.com/2005web/recon2020.htm>


If all goes well, I will be in attendance for a Q&A session. And Ian Paterson of Superteam is suppsoed to join me there... Ian contributed effects to the film and played a small part in the film as well.

In the words of the festival: "Buy the biggest bucket of popcorn you can find, get a supersized drink and buckle up for some explosive action, this is a fantastic ride."

But maybe they just need to sell a lot of popcorn to break even... wink

EDIT: RECON is coming out on video and DVD in Italy April 29, 2005. Check it out there: http://www.filmexpress.it/idp.php?id=5411

There's something cool about seeing your work in a different language. How they interpret the posters etc. It fascinates me.

Can't wait to see what they did with the Japanese poster.