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Alpha Phi Alpha - Reloaded (MOVIE TRAILER)

Posted: Thu, 1st Apr 2004, 2:32pm

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Here is my first attempt at a movie trailer based on a previous submission (Warlord vs. Lee - TEST SEQUENCE).

As stated in previous posts, I won't be able to post the final movie due to my contract with the sponsoring organization. In addition, I don't think the story will make sense to most of you. The final movie is to "Americanized", while the FXHome community is much more cosmopolitan. However, if you do want to see what the final movie looks like, please send me a PM.

I don't have enough space to thank everyone who helped make this production; there about 10-20 FXHome users, as well as 20 others who helped me complete the final film. But know that all you have my thanks.

I won't be shooting the film again, but any constructive suggestions on what to do for future movie trailers would be great. I DO NOT care about the ratings, as they are not important to me.

I am more concerned about becoming a better filmmaker, improving my graduate portfolio, and submitting better films.

Thank you to all users who took the time to watch and make suggestions


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Posted: Thu, 1st Apr 2004, 5:50pm

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Maybe you should put the real sound of the scenes in it too, at a very low volume, so we get a feeling for the movie.

And for the titles you used here, you shouldn't use the standart font, it looks bad. use something like arial or any other one, it looks better.

And then I think your trailer would improve much more, just give it a shot.
Posted: Thu, 1st Apr 2004, 8:03pm

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Spanish Prisoner wrote:

Maybe you should put the real sound of the scenes in it too, at a very low volume, so we get a feeling for the movie.

And for the titles you used here, you shouldn't use the standart font, it looks bad. use something like arial or any other one, it looks better.
Thanks for the audio suggestion. I'll give it a shot. I'm assuming you want it loud enough to slightly hear the action but not overpower the music track.

As far as the font, I was attempting to make it match the Matrix Font. think they use the standard font with some variations. I attempted to copy it on the final title at the end of this trailer. However, I'll also make that switch too and make comparisons.

Thanks for those two suggestions!
Posted: Thu, 1st Apr 2004, 9:41pm

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You can find any font imaginable at www.dafont.com including the matrix one smile
Posted: Fri, 2nd Apr 2004, 9:02pm

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I gave this a four, I did like it but I can't give it a five because I don't know how the movie will be (if there will be one). I have this silly thing about not giving the trailer more then the movie it's slef. I did like this though, I don't have any major promblems with the, infact I don't think I have any, good job.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Apr 2004, 6:11am

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Nice trailer, i really thought the music fit it. lol
it was a different fit, but a good one.
cant wait for it to come out.
peace out
Posted: Sat, 3rd Apr 2004, 11:44pm

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Wizard wrote:

I gave this a four, I did like it but I can't give it a five because I don't know how the movie will be (if there will be one). I have this silly thing about not giving the trailer more then the movie itself.


Wizard:
I have no issues with how you rate the trailer, as everyone has their own rating style. I appreciate you explaining your reason, however.

As stated in my first post, the final movie may not be to your liking. There were several limitations placed on this project that I could not (or was not allowed to) confront and overcome. However, if you still want to see the final video, please send me a PM. Although a part of the final movie is posted on my "Warlord vs. Lee (TEST SEQUENCE)" video, I certainly wouldn't mind more constructive criticism. wink

Just let me know what format you prefer (WMV, QT, MPG) and the type of connection you have (56k, DSL, etc).

ssjaaron wrote:

Nice trailer, i really thought the music fit it. lol
it was a different fit, but a good one.
peace out
Aaron
Thanks man. Obviously you have already seen most of the video. The only changes I'm doing involve improving the sound and some color correction based on that kick-@$$ post by Lord Sollthar that you sent me:P .

I hope you weren't too disappointed by the music. It was different, but I wanted to submit something new. My other two submissions had nothing but Matrix soundtracks. I wanted to experiment with some different music, as I have a loop editor at home. I'm hoping that the pacing with the music was used correctly.
Posted: Sun, 4th Apr 2004, 5:17am

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the trailer it self wasnt that well made..but the footage in it actually looks pretty good...especially the shots with the camera moving...did you use some kind of steadycam type device for the camera movements? they are so smooth and professional especially when those 2 agents are about to fight that glowing guy..
Posted: Sun, 4th Apr 2004, 5:26am

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Anonymous wrote:

the trailer it self wasnt that well made..but the footage in it actually looks pretty good...especially the shots with the camera moving...did you use some kind of steadycam type device for the camera movements? they are so smooth and professional especially when those 2 agents are about to fight that glowing guy..
Thanks for the kind words about the "cinematography." My associate has a tripod equipped with a dolly attachement. In a previous draft of another submission, it was suggested to find someone with this piece of equipment like this. I'm learning that in an action sequence it helps a lot.

I can't take credit for any of the cinematography as he was the one operating the camera. redface

Is there anything you would change to make it better? One user in a recent post suggested I use a Matrix font to make it look better, which I have tried out. I sure would appreciate some suggestions, as its my first trailer.

Thanks for taking the time to look at it biggrin
Posted: Sun, 4th Apr 2004, 6:08am

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i think you have alot of good footage to work with there..but the way the trailer is setup doesnt really make me interested in the movie that much..since im into films and all i noticed that the scenes actualy have potential to make a good film..but to the average movie goer, i dont think it would apeal to them..if it were my film, i would redo the trailer completely..starting off with dramatic music with flash noises fading into 1 scene at a time and fading out quickly a few times..and then start up some quicker music like the music in your trailer with the fighting parts and all ...i would also suggest to have sound from the movie in the trailer to instead of it being silent..like punching sounds and maybe some talking too...but thats just my opinion..i like your footage...im thinking about actualy saving ure movie..and taking it apart and making my own version of the trailer to show u what i mean.
Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2004, 12:36am

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RudyPicardo wrote:


Thanks for the audio suggestion. I'll give it a shot. I'm assuming you want it loud enough to slightly hear the action but not overpower the music track.

yeah, but then I don't know if it will sound good or not. Just thought some of the scenes seem to have some cool special effect sounds in them.
Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2004, 9:16pm

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See the reason this guy is going to go somewhere is because he is humble and willing to take suggestions. Your movies are very well done. Nice job dude






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Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2004, 11:10pm

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Anonymous wrote:

i like your footage...im thinking about actualy saving ure movie..and taking it apart and making my own version of the trailer to show u what i mean.
Your interpretation of the trailer would be great! razz

If you don't mind waiting a week, I can even give you the entire movie. I'm in the process of trying to get a 1 GB server to put my videos on. As stated in various other posts, I can't release the orignial movie until this weekend is over.

Honestly, I don't even care if your interpretation is completely different. But it would be pretty cool to see someone else's take on the video. Just let me know what you want to do via PM or another thread/post.



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See the reason this guy is going to go somewhere is because he is humble and willing to take suggestions. Your movies are very well done. Nice job dude
Thanks user Renegade! I seriously doubt that I'll be "going somewhere", as there are lots of better users out there right now. I'm just trying to learn from some of the mistakes they've made, be inspired by other great work, or get feedback to get a more ecclectic style and mindset.

For example, it is possible that the "guest" interpretation of the video will be totally off or different from what I wanted to do. Good or bad, its important for me to get input, as long as its constructive.

I'm more concerned about positive criticism/input than negative ratings

My thanks for your kind words, none the less wink
Posted: Tue, 6th Apr 2004, 12:14am

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Heh. I'm guessing Alpha Phi Alpha is a fraternity, right?

I liked this. The camera movements look superb, and I really liked the shot with the camera spinning around at the ceiling.

However, I thought the trailer was a bit too vague. It used an interesting layout, but it just didn't really grab my attention too much. Just like guest, I will be interested in seeing the final movie, but I don't think it will grab an average person's attention too much. Maybe if there were clips from other locations (I'm assuming there are more locations, correct me if I'm wrong), and if you told a bit more about the story, it could be better. For now, it just seems more like yet another Matrix fanfilm.

What camera were you using?
Posted: Tue, 6th Apr 2004, 12:52am

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Lloyd66 wrote:

Heh. I'm guessing Alpha Phi Alpha is a fraternity, right? However, I thought the trailer was a bit too vague. For now, it just seems more like yet another Matrix fanfilm.

What camera were you using?
User Lloyd66:

Thanks for your comments. Alpha Phi Alpha is indeed a fraternity. I used a Sony TRV 900, but the lighting was exceptional as we had track lighting in the whole area. Unfortunately, we shot the video in one place, so there are no other locations filmed.

Allow me to attempt to explain a few limitations of the trailer AND the video. If I am being repetitive, forgive me, as I have dialogued with a modicum of extremely helpful users this past month.

1) The final video was limited to 5 mintues, which obviously limits quality dialogue. The final fight scene (which is posted as the Warlord vs. Lee), was based on another movie, Equilibrium. And this was not well marketed. Thus, a limited amount of movie goers know about the movie. I felt that a similar gun-battle sequence would really open up some people's eyes.

However, I didn't want to give any part of the gun battle away in the trailer.


2) The trailer was only to get people's attention to whole event, and not just the video. The video is used only in part of a live step performance. At the end of my video there is another 15-20 minutes (of which I have no clue of the content). So even if you saw the whole video, I doubt that most people would get it.


3) I was also experimenting with a music loop program. My friend and I made the track based on Beethoven's "Moonlight Sonata" then I wanted to try to edit the footage to match the overall flow.


I believe that the combination of these three elements were a big reason why the trailer was so vague. Its difficult to make a 1 minute trailer based on a 5 minute movie without giving away the movie. And the final video itself is incomplete until a viewer experiences the live perfromance too)

I will say that regardless of what people think, I know that people who see it this Saturday will appreciate it. The FXHome community has been phenominal; if you make comparisons between the Warlord vs. Lee draft and the Phenom vs. Lee final, you'll understand what I mean.

In addition fraternities in this area when performing typically do a live skit or (ahem) a powerpoint presentation before the show. The audience is expected to comprise between 800-1000 people, so I'm confident that this video will really open some eyes.

I will keep you posted on the status of my server which will post various versions of the final video.

My thanks for taking the time to read this lengthy post.
Posted: Tue, 6th Apr 2004, 1:43am

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Well in that case...

Nice job of packing a five minute movie into a one minute trailer without giving too much away. That doesn't happen very often. And good job on the music, it did fit well with the timing of the peace.
Posted: Sun, 11th Apr 2004, 5:03am

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ALL users

I wanted to show you the full release of the final video. As stated in a previous posts, this 5 minute movie was only part of a full step/dance performance (which happened on Saturday), but I wanted to show everyone the full version as a thank you for taking the time to look read and respond.

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/rwp93/Videos/FinalVideo_EDITED.mov

The file is about 18 MB. I'm working on getting other versions right now. However, I'm still in the middle of setting up my new 1 GB server account and doing some other graduate school work. I hope you enjoy it, as it is a final project for my digital editing class.

The video also won the award for BEST THEME in the competition. Those of you who took the time to give suggestions via posts or PMs, my eternal gratitude. It is YOU, not me, who deserved that accolade.

When in doubt, love always...
Posted: Sun, 11th Apr 2004, 11:37pm

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Nice, I liked the fighting a lot, it was well choreographed, and good sounds too. I also really liked the camera movements throughout, except at the beginning. I thought the camera rotation during the beginning dialogue was too fast.

There were also a few other things I noticed. One was that the camera moved during the bullet stop part, so it looked a little weird, as the bullets stayed in place. The breaking chair shot was a bit off, too, because no one else is in the shot, even though the previous shot had all three fighters close together. Lastly, I thought some sound effects just didn't fit, like the neck creaking.

Overall, though, I enjoyed it. I didn't quite get the ending, but I assume it led into the dance performance, so no complaints there. I'd give it a 4 out of 5, if I could rate it. smile
Posted: Sun, 11th Apr 2004, 11:42pm

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Well I made a mistake rating the trailer a four. I mentioned earlier that I couldn't rate it more because I had to see the movie first (it's kind of stupid but makes since). Anyway, now that I have seen the movie I want to give it a five. Anyway, very well done, and there were some nice subtle jokes in there too. Good job.
Posted: Mon, 12th Apr 2004, 8:21pm

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Lloyd66 wrote:

Nice, I liked the fighting a lot, it was well choreographed, and good sounds too. I also really liked the camera movements throughout, except at the beginning. I thought the camera rotation during the beginning dialogue was too fast.
Yeah, I kinda felt that too. I actually wanted to reshoot more close-ups, as I felt there was some "dead video" or video that just didn't really give anything to the viewer. I never got the chance to reshoot it so I had to work with what I had.

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One was that the camera moved during the bullet stop part, so it looked a little weird, as the bullets stayed in place.
Same problem as above, I didn't get the chance to reshoot it. In one of my first drafts of the final sequence, I didn't have any static video footage. I asked my cinematographer to keep the camera moving. Obviously, you want to mix up static and dynamic shots. I'll be sure to try to remember to use more stable shots if I incorporate certain AlamDV effects

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The breaking chair shot was a bit off, too, because no one else is in the shot, even though the previous shot had all three fighters close together.
Yeah this is mostly my fault. I had a friend of mine do the shot and he shot a bit too wide. Adam (the guy that hit the chair) actually broke the chair. eek As such we couldn't shoot the footage again.

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Lastly, I thought some sound effects just didn't fit, like the neck creaking.
Again my fault. Sound is a something I'm still learning. I had to get someone to send me some cracking sounds. I think I should have made it more softer and subtle. When I hear it now, it sounds like a classic 80s kung fu sound byte crazy

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Overall, though, I enjoyed it. I didn't quite get the ending, but I assume it led into the dance performance, so no complaints there. I'd give it a 4 out of 5, if I could rate it. smile
You are indeed correct. The last sequence of close-ups are reaction shots as the live performers are being introduced (or plugging in to the Matrix). I had to do an "introduction" sequence as it was requested by my sponsor.

I don't plan to post it officially for "rating" becuase I think most of the suggestions would be pretty much consistent. Besides I think the movie has gotten enough attention on the site and I always like seeing other people's work. I just wanted the viewers to know that I did my best to learn from the posts.

If you study everything from the first submission, to the suggestions, and then the final product, you should see a pretty good progression from these two submissions.
Posted: Tue, 13th Apr 2004, 1:37am

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well well, I liked this one pretty much. I got time now to download it and watch it. The camera movement etc. was pretty good and the use of effects was good to and even the bullets stopping was goot integrated considering the camera movement and no chance at reshooting the scene. What I like a lot is the use of music in this one, it gave it a good sense of pro feeling here. You got talent and I sure want to watch some of your future projects, moives. wink
Posted: Thu, 13th May 2004, 6:38am

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Hey that fight choreography was incredible. I was wondering where and how i could get a hold of that entire movie?
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2004, 2:57pm

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FXHome users:

The link to my web-site, where this movie file was located should be up again. As stated in another post, an electrical fire did some serious damage to the servers where my video files were located. I did lose some movie files permanently, however they were not too important.

My apologies for the problem.

If you are interested in some potential free music, please see my other link entitled "Potential Free Music". My friends and I are working on a quick song dedicated to what just happened, so look for that track which I'll probably call "Electical Fire"

Any questions? Please don't hesitate to ask!
Posted: Thu, 8th Dec 2005, 12:39am

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so ur in film school? awsome, im making a julius caesar omvie for my high school any suggestions?? i want i to be an action drama, but my problem is that i olny have like 3 or 4 actors
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the godfather wrote:

so ur in film school? awsome, im making a julius caesar omvie for my high school any suggestions?? i want i to be an action drama, but my problem is that i olny have like 3 or 4 actors
I noticed that you're somewhat of a rookie here at FXHome - Welcome!

When I made this trailer, I was in school, but not a film school. These projects were only made for fun. However, I have a few years of video production experience with TV broadcast equipment and techniques. I'm also working professionally now creating training videos for medical students.

Please send me a PM and let me know what specifics you're thinking about.

I don't think I can give a quick answer to your question above. Unfortunately, I've have a tendency to post excessively long polychromatic threads; a weakness which I'm trying to rectify. So I'd rather just communicate with you via PM
Posted: Fri, 6th Jan 2006, 9:22pm

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where did u get those nice matrix sound effects in the final movie?