Whats your plan to make it big time.
Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2004, 6:48pm
Post 1 of 38
Just wondering if you guys have a plan to get where you want to be.
To give you an Idea, my plan is to make films and be noticed from them on the net and hope to get someone to invest in me for a short film i'll make for Cannes.
Are you going to be sending CV's out ? or demo tapes, emailing companies, or just start off as a runner for a small tv studio.?
Or don't you have a plan yet, but you know what you want to do in the future.
I think the likes of John Carter and Sollthar have plans, i'd love to hear yours.
Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2004, 6:51pm
Post 2 of 38
My plan is to keep making short stuff until I am really confident in my abilities, then make a short (or, given funding/good idea a feature) for Sundance.
And also to write a script that I can sell. I want to do that.
Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2004, 7:39pm
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Well right now I have two more months to go of University; the degree I'm doing has the long winded title of 'Electronic Imaging and Media Communications'.
It's made up of modules consisting of Computer Animation, Web Design, Broadcast television production, digital videography, media theory, computer programming etc.
We get taught a lot of stuff on how to run a tv studio, and that is one obvious carrear path applying for places such as the BBC, however competition is supposed to be pretty tough at the momment, and it is film I want to do.
So I'm looking at doing an MA in Cinematography. However the course which is looking the best at the National Film and Television school has a deadline for submission of your showreel and information by the end of this week. My big uni projects won't be done until the end of the year, so it's looking like I'm going to be taking some kind of gap year, possibly do a season snowboarding or something and I will try and do as much filmmaking in between as possible. I will then apply for film school next year, do a 2 year MA in cinematography and hopefully find some kind of industry employment after that.... I hope!
Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2004, 8:05pm
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I am in the process of starting a Non-Profit organization here in California that will one day help kids and young adults a low cost film education. When my first member gets a job in the Movie industry, I'll consider myself as having "MADE IT".
Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2004, 9:23pm
Post 5 of 38
excellent, nice to see you have goals.
Toxic Matter that was really nice what you said.
Solidus, This is proberly a stupid question at this point but, do you think there are any benifits learning about tv when you want to move into film?
Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2004, 9:39pm
Post 6 of 38
I've never had a plan, I just do what seems best at the time, whilst ensuring that I'm heading in the right direction.
Didn't do a gap year after school because I wanted to get going and not waste anymore time than was necessary. Then studied Film & English so that I had some kind of theory/knowledge basis behind my enthusiasm. A bonus of doing that course is that it gave me a real appreciation for film history and older films, which I had previously passed over in favour of post-80s stuff. Note that it wasn't a practical course...I can do the practical work myself, what I needed to know about was all the stuff that I can't find out about by myself.
After that I started working at CSB, which was unexpected, but still a definite move towards where I'm going, given the special effects and general film-related angle that we are involved in here. Just getting to interact with hundreds of other filmmakers all around the world every day I go to work is a lot better than most post-graduation jobs tend to get. And I get to write everyday, which is my main desire in life.
The path can sometimes be a little twisty and strange, but as long as you're heading in the right general direction, keep at it.
Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2004, 9:39pm
Post 7 of 38
b4uask30male wrote:do you think there are any benifits learning about tv when you want to move into film?
Ask Riddley Scott... started out in TV advertising iirc.
I hope to get a job in TV. Aparently, 95% of the students on the Uni course I hope to be going on get contracts to work in TV after their work placements in the final year
Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2004, 10:29pm
Post 8 of 38
My plan is simple. If the films don't come to you, then make the films come to you - to paraphrase a well known proverb.
I'm studying Anthropology right now. I considered a media course but decided to study a degree as backup. Whilst I'm doing so, I've got the filmmaking interest going here. I'm confident of doing what I want to do, make films, but I thought a degree would be good backup, even more so because I can take a 1 year law course after and become a lawyer if I wanted (I studied Law before university).
The reason for studying Anthropology is that it's a very interesting subject, exploring Man's origins. Personally, this is a significant pursuit, a bit like our interest in space travel. Also, in CSI the odd Anthropologist turns up with interesting interpretations. It's about studying people in different environments, very different kinds of peoples and the things that are important to them in their lives.
For me, this is just like film. Films examine people's lives, show what's important, show their interactions, what their motives are, what drives them etc.
My plan, though, is to make money while I'm studying, make films in spare time, and then apply to the National Film & Television School afterwards, with a staggering portfolio to dazzle them with.
Sorry, I may have gone off the track a bit, but this post has given me a chance to clarify to myself what I want to do more than anything.
Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2004, 10:45pm
Post 9 of 38
Solidus, This is proberly a stupid question at this point but, do you think there are any benifits learning about tv when you want to move into film?
Well as already mentioned, it is a route that some people have taken to get them into directing for tv, and some people do then go on to do film. Ridley Scott did start out with X Cars, but his way of getting into the industry along with his brother was actually through set designing first... possibly one of the reasons why he has such great visuals in his films.
I'd say that television production has been useful as I've learn't how to use various pieces of equipment I wouldn't have otherwise... ie Visual Mixing, Sound desk, how to be a soundman, how to light a scene, how to operate a studio camera, DVC Pro and DVCAM and just how a television magazine style or news show is produced and put together.
The one thing that does get stressed is the codes and conventions of shooting a documentary or news piece... our lecturers were all x-BBC and believe in doing everything 'by the book', so they don't like it if you try and be a bit too creative with what your doing. On the other hand I have a Digital Videography module and all the rules get thrown out the window because you can do whatever you want.
So although myself and course mates sometimes like to moan about how we are told to do things in a certain way in our TV classes, I do think it has been a postive learning experience.
Posted: Tue, 6th Apr 2004, 10:24am
Post 10 of 38
Wow, so many of you have / are going to higher learning eg Uni.
I missed out on such things.
Anyone else out there that didn't go for higher learning but has a plan.
Anyone thinking of trying the same route as Sam Raimi ( evil dead ).
Or any of you guys know of other famous people that made it without doing the normal route
Eg: Speilberg, he made his firelight film and joined a acting class that was being taught by Jerry Lewis ( old comedian ) Steven only joined so he could show the film to Jerry, once Jerry saw and liked it he then told Universal executives about Steve, ( Steven the dropped out of the class )
Posted: Tue, 6th Apr 2004, 12:52pm
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I'm not sure I want to stay at my higher learning degree course in University. Since September I've paid over £2000 for the course and accomadation... and well, the course hasn't taught me anything.
Although if I leave, I'd have nowhere to go or anywhere to start towards what I want to do - which is make films.
Posted: Tue, 6th Apr 2004, 1:00pm
Post 12 of 38
Stevey Spielberg still studied film in California, I believe. There are all sorts of stories as to how he got into TV, some of which are probably true.
Sam Raimi and Peter Jackson are probably the most inspirational filmmakers to look at, in terms of 'making it'. And with Spider-Man and LotR they've both hit the big-time in about as big a way as possible.
Posted: Tue, 6th Apr 2004, 1:04pm
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Hi! Interesting post...
Anyone else out there that didn't go for higher learning but has a plan.
I didn't go to Uni to study. I went and did a foundation film course at 'Panico' in London and was taught all the basics by the crew members of the Monty Python films, Julian and Bob Doyle, etc. It was a good experience and gave me all the info to get me going. I also made some good contacts there which made for some interesting visits to various film sets.
I then did some private make-up courses to help with the prosthetic and prop work my film partner and I do. Off the back of that we got a weeks work on a war film called 'Distant Bridges' working with the make-up artist from 'Sharp'.
Since then we have been making our own stuff, some short films, etc. We are currently working on a new project that will prove quite an interesting challenge.
Gotta keep on keeping on...
Posted: Tue, 6th Apr 2004, 1:39pm
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Im signed up witht he army over here in Canada for the next 3 years to make me some money and then to hopefully kick off my own Film Productions of Music Production bussiness running right out of my house and soon after my own building...
Posted: Tue, 6th Apr 2004, 2:08pm
Post 15 of 38
While on the subject can I ask how you got into filming ?
I see it as there are two types of people, those that are born to do it and have the ability to think ahead and have it all worked out in the head.
The other type are people that think it's fun and have to work at getting it right.
If I may just give an example.
While working at Rank years ago we had the Son of the United States Bank going around on a V.I.P trip all around Rank.
I met with him and asked why he was over here, his reply crushed me.
he said he had finished his University ( nothing to do with films ) and was looking for something to do, he said he's now thinking about directing films.
I thought to myself, what a @#$@# just because his dad runs a bank he will get his chance, yet people like you and me won't get that chance even if we have skill.
Posted: Tue, 6th Apr 2004, 2:55pm
Post 16 of 38
I'm just sort of winging it right now. I want to go into film, it's what I love to do and I try to get various paying projects along the way (ie, promotional videos). I'm only starting uni next year, so I have alot of time really. I'm in no rush.
Plus - I personally don't much like the "hollywood" system of filmmaking...too much paper work/legal issues/headaches/all about the money. I'd rather be like rodriguez, just get enough money to make a film my way and make it. Recently he's been going more hollywood (although he gave back some money on a budget recently with the reasoning that it will make him stay creative), but i'm talking about his older films. Sam Raimi as well, he's a great example. I hate unions (i was looking up info on how they work...blah).
Posted: Tue, 6th Apr 2004, 3:03pm
Post 17 of 38
I started shooting film 8mm with the kids around the neighborhood. It was always something I had wanted to do. But as I got older, family and children caused me to re-evaluate my plan. I had to get a real live good paying job or the family was going to starve.
Now I'm 43, I make a good living and I have just set aside 10k to make a feature film with. Actually, I donated the money to my budding Non-Profit in the hopes that all proceeds from the film go the funding of the Non-Profit.
When you try to get into the movie industry, you face many of the same obstacles that you do in other occupations. Not many company's will talk to you unless you have something to show them. You have to have verifiable experience in the industry. That's what I want to offer thru our Non-Profit. Higher education is great, but some of us can't afford it. I hope to fill that need
Posted: Tue, 6th Apr 2004, 3:05pm
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Cypher wrote:I'd rather be like rodriguez, just get enough money to make a film my way and make it.
Robert Rodriguez is a big inspiration for me too, I read his book, 'Rebel without a Crew', including his genius 10minutes film school, and it got me back off my butt and out filming. It got me 'doing' rather than just thinking about what I wanted to do.
Posted: Tue, 6th Apr 2004, 3:12pm
Post 19 of 38
Call me sad but i don't know how Robert Rodriguez got started.
I'd love to know.
Posted: Tue, 6th Apr 2004, 3:18pm
Post 20 of 38
I've been trying to get a copy of Rebel Without a Crew. My drama teacher (who has 15 yrs of acting experience, both here and in the states) highly recommends it.
Posted: Tue, 6th Apr 2004, 3:21pm
Post 21 of 38
b4 - if you haven't got the El Mariachi/Desperado DVD set, you should buy it immediately. The commentaries will teach you more about filmmaking than any university degree.
That goes for everyone else too...irrespective of whether you like Rodriguez's films/style, that DVD pack is essential for every budding filmmaker.
Posted: Tue, 6th Apr 2004, 3:27pm
Post 22 of 38
How did I get into filming? Hmm. I can't really remember. Since about 9 I've been interested in writing, and I used to produce lots of school plays and do drama with friends and show our work to people. Film just seemed the logical next step, I think. Maybe watching a superb old film of the Count of Monte Cristo when I was 11 pushed me over the brink
There'll always be people like the guy you mention, who have it handed to them on a plate. But the reason is probably because somewhere down the line an ancestor has been innovative. So in a way, it's deserved.
If I make it big I would do the same, try and ensure my children can have the best education I can provide etc. Wouldn't you?
It's a sad fact but that's human instinct.
But a line has to be drawn somewhere, really. Ideally, rich people would try and separate their feelings and try and let their kids fend for themselves etc.
Posted: Thu, 8th Apr 2004, 8:35pm
Post 23 of 38
Hey B4 you were talking about those of us not possessing movie education.I have taught myself,through the internet,trial and error and just jumping in there.Last year I did make-up fx for a horror movie which should see wide release before too long,through that I made friends,with Stephanie who just finished her first "Hollywood"movie halfwayhouse-movie.com and is this months trommette of the month at troma.com.,sorry shameless plug for my friend.Anyways she was interested in writing and production but lacked equipment and technical know how so we put our heads together and teamed up.The first project out the gate is a parody "Queer eye for the dead guy"for which I will be director of photography,editor etc.Then a short movie leading into the summer then she and my girlfriend will star in a feature length action/horror movie I am putting together.Sorry to be long winded,I would say to anyone if you feel it just jump in there.I did that and have met some awesome people,you don't need a fancy degree.
Posted: Thu, 8th Apr 2004, 8:50pm
Post 24 of 38
I got into movie making because of my grandfather. He's always been into gadgets and such, and invents things (he invented the deal on the sides of railroads that automatically switches the tracks.. or something like that). My sister and I would make little movies with him for fun, and I think that's what's to blame for my wanting to do it.
So then, in high school, I tried making a couple short things with friends, but they required no editing or anything, just short stuff. Then, senior year we all got together and made The Chariot Race! (loosely based on the book of Exodus and the movie The Ten Commandments, and Ben Hur) it was intended to show to our drama class, but there were bad times with editing, it's not that good (hey, it's a first attempt), but I still say has some of the best jokes we've ever written in it, but it's very poorly executed.
Since then, I've taken some classes, which haven't really helped (I took a "video story telling" course, and mine was the only video that actually told a story and used any creativity at all...), but I'm looking to the future!
-Taken from "My Life... Good to know it", my autobiography
Posted: Thu, 8th Apr 2004, 9:45pm
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I guess I've always liked film and it's probably a bit sad, but I've always kind of thought up little stories in my head, kind of day dreaming which I suppose could be like films. However I'm in no way a writer, infact I'm really struggling to come up with an idea for a final film I need to do for uni and I'm running out of time.
The first real filmmaking I did was at about 13 or 14 when I borrowed my dad's VHS video camera and shot some of my friends skateboarding. I then did a really basic edit using video recorders and made some titles up using pieces of paper. I then gave copies to all my friends and it was good fun.
I then started Media Studies as an A-Level at school, we got to make a few films and I really enjoyed that. For my final coursework, although working as a group I did most of the filming and editing. I'm currently in my fourth and final year of university where I've learn't documentary making, televison studio operation and plenty of theory on film making too.
Posted: Thu, 8th Apr 2004, 10:07pm
Post 26 of 38
Well, what I'm going to do is kidnap this gut called Jerry Langford ... oh, hang on, theat's the plot of King of Comedy ...
Posted: Fri, 9th Apr 2004, 2:26am
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Well, this may sound strange, but my first inspiration was none other than Jim Carey. When I was little, I saw him and was in awe of how much fun he seemed to be having on camera and decided that was what I wanted to do. That has now evolved into filmmaking. I am very young but I consider myself to be pretty ambitious. I have done some local promotional stuff and am working on script for a feature film which I plan to sell or use myself when I am older. The problem is, I am looking into going to a school that offers such studies, yet my guidance counciler seems to be against it. I can understand why, but I can't let one person get in the way of what I really want to do with my life. So for now I have been making some shorts and tests and what not. So I guess right now im holding tight and doing my own thing but keeping a look out for every opportunity available to me. Such as festivals and showings. I mean, what else can one in my situation do?
Posted: Fri, 9th Apr 2004, 3:32pm
Post 28 of 38
Video / film etc for me is all a hobby (wouldn't hurt to hit it big someday w/ an indie).
But I'm going into Electrical Engineering, after all, you can't spell "gEEk" without EE - get it? Hahaha.....
Posted: Sat, 10th Apr 2004, 8:28am
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Since my early years I was pulled at this fascinating subject. At a very youg age I was taken to local cinemas and from those memorable days I wasplanted or injected with this great medium. I changed a lot of jobs and my primary aim was that someday I could find myself a job in the filming or tv industry. I bought my first cine camera in 1968 yes that's true (I'm not young heh, just 57!!!). Since then I raed a lot about this subject, I had to leave school in my secondary but kept studying in my free time, as here in Malta by that time there was no great opportunities.
I produced lots of documentaries and fictions. I joined the local Amateur Film Club, and again it served me as a good teacher too.
Anyway time passed and I had a good job in a local firm. By this time I have been applying for jobs at our only tv station, but had no luck. Then in 1978 I had a turning point I managed to get myself a job as a Film Technician (in fact I had to shoot on 16mm edit and project)
That is still my present day job, apart that I also have to divert this as necessity neede to become also a photographer. In fact I am presently a member of the local Dept. of Informaton photographer. I did much work for local tv stations, from documentaries news gathering cameraman and also sports. Hope this could help those with a clear point in their career.
Posted: Sun, 11th Apr 2004, 11:47am
Post 30 of 38
Well, I've been seriously into movies all my life, but I didn't start making them untill my last couple years of college (University as most of you would say). Right after college, I set out to make my first feature film, and jumped in WAY over my head with way too little planning. We shot on and off for four years, and it turned out to be a mess in the end. But I learned a lot from the experience, essentially doing a self-taught film program (I studied writing in school).
Now, I'm trying to, as others have mentioned, gain attention through short films. I've made 4 in the last year, and I'm proud of 3 of them. One was shot as part of the National 48 Hour Film Challenge (US version), and I won 4 awards, including best fantasy film.
Right now, I'm in the middle of effects and editing on my newest short, but I enetered the first 3 minutes of it into this year's Project Greenlight, and I've made it into the top 250 in the director's competition. Out of 1700 director entries, I'm felling pretty optomistic. I have a long way to go yet (3 more rounds), but I just turned in my bio video, and I'm actually quite happy with it. I even think it's good enough to be included on my short film reel.
And, just FYI, I used Alam DV2 for all of them. Maybe if I'm lucky and advance to the finals, which will be broadcast as part of the Project Greenlight series, I can mention Alam and CSB. These guys deserve the plug.
Oh, and P.S. - I am an avowed Robert Rodriguez deciple. I keep his book by my bed.
Posted: Sun, 11th Apr 2004, 2:05pm
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Oh, and b4uask30male, here's the Robert Rodriguez story, condensed.
He's a guy from Austin Texas who made the Spanish-language action movie El Mariachi for 7 thousand dollars in 14 days back in the early 90's. He raised the money by volunteering for medical experimentation, sequestering himself in a facility for a few weeks, taking test drugs. Durring which time he wrote the Mariachi script (and met his villan).
He shot the movie (on film)virtually by himself, and with the help of his lead actor/producer/best friend, and occasionally a helper to push his wheelchair for dolly shots. He edited (on video) it in the back room of a cable company. He intended the movie for direct-to-video distribution in the Mexican z-grade-movie industry, but once he showed it around Hollywood, he got an agent, a contract, and a theatrical release. He went on to make the Mariachi sequel/remake Desperado, From Dusk Till Dawn, and the Spy Kids movies.
The cool thing about the way he works today, even though he works for the Hollywood system (usually Miramax), he does it on his own terms. He shoots his movies in Austin, has a massive editing facility and sound recording studio in his garage (really), and a soundstage and massive greenscreen stage just down the road.
And he doesn't (usually) have to deal with the studio executives. Because he makes his movies cheaply, and they always turn a decent profit, he does as he wants. His arrangement basicly has him asking Mirimax for a check, and just delivering them a new movie in about 3-4 months (he also works faster than most directors).
Currently he is shooting the film version of the crime-noir comic book Sin City, which he started shooting on his own dime before even getting the rights. He shot the first 10 minutes without permission, just to prove to creator Frank Miller that he'd be faithfull to the source. He's even crediting Miller as co-director, since he's essentially useing the comics as his storyboards. And, as the movie will follow several unconnected stories (based on seperate Sin City mini-series), Quentin Tarantino will be directing one of the sequences as well.
Okay, so that wasn't so condensed. Sorry. I tend to ramble on about my heros.
Posted: Sun, 11th Apr 2004, 3:23pm
Post 32 of 38
Good info jarar1. Robert Rodriguez is my hero.
My plan to make it big?
Well next year I am attending St. Johns University. Most of you probably don't know this but Steven Sommers, the director of "The Mummy" series went there. Last year he made a generous contribution to the school by donating a state of the art Digital Video lab.
Option 1: Durring college the plan is to make a feature film (on HD i hope). I'm going to head out to Hollywood and spread the word about my film, show it to some Big WIGS.
Option 2: I am planning on keeping contact with Steven sommers durring my time at SJU. An since I'll be making the best films to come out of that school ( during an Art scholarship interview, I showed the panel a trailer to my short film, to which the panel replied "Looks like we're going to have another Allumni in Hollywood.") I hope to possibly intern with Mr. Sommers. Learn the tips and tricks.
Posted: Sun, 11th Apr 2004, 5:21pm
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No real plans. I'm 32 and only picked up a camera for the 1st time last summer!!!!
But what I found out is... I really love it
I've got no goals to become a hollywood film maker, I just enjoy making films for myself. If you guys enjoy them, then that's great too.
However, I have decided to do one thing with my new found hobby. I just got made redundent, so I thought I'd make a bit of money out of all this equipment I've invested in.
Take a look:-www.samcamproductions.co.uk
I suppose we all have to start somewhere.
Posted: Sun, 11th Apr 2004, 7:04pm
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Posted: Mon, 12th Apr 2004, 1:17pm
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I am currently studying "moving image" at college. Not a very good course, not learnt nothing, however it's gotten a film of mine shown in a cinema.
After that I'm either going to Uni and hope something comes of that. Or get a deadend job and put all the money into low-budget z-films. Either way I'm going to keep shooting stuff and sending it out there until someone sees me. If all else fails I'll find some hookers and head off to channel 5. (Shows loads of late night smut productions, for all you foreigners out there.)
Oh yeah, Rodriguez is god in a stetson.
Posted: Tue, 13th Apr 2004, 2:06am
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well I am doing a short called "A Time For Vengeance" so I can send it to some companies as a demo tape as how good my abilities are. My plans are to get into the movie industry and doing movies for living because it is what I have most fun do it. It's the best thing in the world do your "hobby" for living.
I am also trying to get more connections to people who are in the industry and making movies, so I am getting more experience watching them making movies, maybe I should take more advantage by knowing Sollthar personally, but then I know he's doing his new feature length movie for the theaters, I don't want to interrupt him unnecessarily until I prove myself being capable making a movie by myself (sollthar knows what I am talking about lol).
Posted: Wed, 14th Apr 2004, 11:29pm
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Wow - I think I may be in the wrong forum. All you professionals and people that are driving to be professionals - its actually quite intimidating but I'm glad your driving towards something or are doing something you really enjoy. Too much in this world is just people existing so they can make a paycheck.
I'm just having fun, playing around with my legos and experimenting with different movie techniques. I know I will never make Sundance or anything. I just want to have some fun and create something. Its kind of funny, I don't have a lot of ability but I find that I get a real urge to "create", not to just sit there and absorb things that others have created but to add a little something to the sum of humanity.
Posted: Sun, 18th Apr 2004, 3:36am
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I like to read the biographies of the directors on IMDb and see what they did, and most of them just went with a demo and a script in hand from door to door untill someone picked them up. They were activly hunting down the companies while others wait to be found. I dont plan to make it big I just plan to do what is necessary to make movies I want to make (I dont care about the money, I can live on the streets for all I care as long as Im doing what I love while Im alive)