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What is DigiGrade

Posted: Thu, 15th Apr 2004, 1:46am

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Hi Guys My names Matt...I'm new smile

I am going to be buying a copy of AlamDV in the near future (as I'll be needing it for my upcoming movie "Escape of the Midnighter") but I was looking through the site and I was wondering what exactly does "DigiGrade" do? See as I cannot afford (or have the knowhow) to shoot on film and I am always trying to make my video look as good as I can and the title "DigiGrade" sounds like it might have something to do with adjusting the image settings of video. So I ask again with mucho curiosity what is it? smile
Posted: Thu, 15th Apr 2004, 1:48am

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Is does color grading to make your video look better. You can use presets or make your own combination.
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Digigrade is a program that is being developed by CSB-Digital that focuses just on colorgrading of digital video. This can help you achieve the film look. You know how the matrix has its own special look, and so does LOTR's and stuff? This is done with Digital Grading. Thus DigiGrade.

Hope this makes it clear!


EDIT: Brett, you beat me again...

Andrew biggrin
Posted: Thu, 15th Apr 2004, 1:52am

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oooh.. I love stuff like that. Too bad it isn't out I'd love to see some before and afters.
Posted: Thu, 15th Apr 2004, 1:53am

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Soon enough.

But even sooner AlamDV3. Excited to see some screenshots within the next few months smile.
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It gives films that "movie look." You can easily and cheaply ($90) color correct you footage. http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=37399#37399 This is a useful tutorial Sollthar mad on how to color correct film. It will give you a basic idea of what Digigrade will be capable of doing.
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I wonder what CSB will do after DigiGrade? smile
Posted: Thu, 15th Apr 2004, 4:02pm

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perhaps a program like magic bullet??? just ALOT cheaper
Posted: Thu, 15th Apr 2004, 6:30pm

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Digigrade is everything you have ever wanted.
It's the sweaty part at the back of your knee.
It's the area behind the couch.
It's everything.
Posted: Thu, 15th Apr 2004, 6:47pm

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Redhawksrymmer wrote:

I wonder what CSB will do after DigiGrade? smile
good question. I think theyll probably wanna go sell there products in stores. Maybe theyll make an editing software with all the progtams a part of it for like 280 bucks? Its so hard to ttell.
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Redhawksrymmer wrote:

I wonder what CSB will do after DigiGrade? smile
They'll retire and sink into obscurity.
Posted: Thu, 15th Apr 2004, 7:07pm

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There gonna go to mexico!
Posted: Thu, 15th Apr 2004, 7:15pm

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I wonder what CSB will do after DigiGrade?
Heh, now that would be telling...
Posted: Thu, 15th Apr 2004, 7:16pm

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Wait Ive figured it out!!

Chromy 2, AlamDV 4 eek, and diggigrade 2

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Posted: Thu, 15th Apr 2004, 8:30pm

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elementcinema wrote:

perhaps a program like magic bullet??? just ALOT cheaper
Urm isn't Digigrade a program like magic bullet? If they include a preset option, then you're in for a wild ride smile Anyway if you have AE you can do stuff that is pretty similar to it, just takes more time.
Posted: Thu, 22nd Apr 2004, 3:58pm

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There's NO film-look formula.

I say this because everyone contradicts each other...
For example, I always think that reducing the saturation is better. Some people prefer to brighten up the colours. It's VERY subtle changes that make the difference, such as adding the tiniest amount of digital film grain/scratches.

There are of course certain guidelines to get you started, but you really have to decide what you want in your head and experiment with various filters and programmes.

Don't expect DigiGrade to have one filter that will instantly make your footage look like it was shot on film, you'll need to spend a lot of time tweaking about with scenes and camera angles. It’ll have plenty of options that you’ll have to choose from to achieve your desired effect.
Posted: Thu, 22nd Apr 2004, 4:04pm

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I'm not entirely sure what people mean by 'the film look'. Give me 5 different films, and they'll all look completely different.

The primary difference between film and video is usually down to the lens used, and the resulting difference in depth-of-field. Then there's the grain of the stock, of course, but with both film and video getting constantly better, that's less of an issue .

What it ultimately comes down to, however, is the cinematography and the post-production grading. The technical processes involved in both are very different for film and for video, but they're both aiming to achieve the same thing: fantastic images.

Modern video is capable of achieving amazing visuals, and we hope that DigiGrade will help people to get the very best out of the medium.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Apr 2004, 3:00am

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Hey Tarn, are you guys producing Alam3 and DigiGrade at the same time, or are you going to come out with Alam3 first, and then DigiGrade later? I'm really interested in seeing what features will be available in DG (filters, scopes, etc). smile
Posted: Fri, 23rd Apr 2004, 9:39am

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DigiGrade will be released after AlamDV3. However, we have been working on all the products simultaneously in many ways, due to them all sharing the same basic infrastructure. This is why Chromanator had the majority of the work, as it came first.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Apr 2004, 5:09pm

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Brettsta wrote:


good question. I think theyll probably wanna go sell there products in stores. Maybe theyll make an editing software with all the progtams a part of it for like 280 bucks? Its so hard to ttell.
I think they should combine Alam DV3, Cromanator, and Digigrade into one great editing program. It would be worth like $2500 but would probably cost $350. That would be cool.
Posted: Sat, 24th Apr 2004, 5:48pm

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That's far far far more easily said than done smile

Integrating several programmes into one is one hell of a difficult task.
Posted: Sat, 24th Apr 2004, 6:10pm

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The idea is to play around with the colour setting of your footage and to get the right feel of colours for your film...not someone elses film. Its all based of your film and what looks best for it and Digigrade will help us achieve the best colour correction for our film.
Posted: Sat, 24th Apr 2004, 9:50pm

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TAP2 wrote:

That's far far far more easily said than done smile

Integrating several programmes into one is one hell of a difficult task.
It may not be, if they all share the same engine/infrastructure then combining all their tools into one app may not be that hard.

I think it would be great, as you wouldn't have to export/inport all the time. Just have a single app that you keep adding modules to (Alam, Crhomanator, Digigrade, Nextbigthing).
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 1:00am

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I haven't really worked with Chromanator but as I see it, CSB's products really aren't editing software. They are definately VERY powerful post productions tools, but for editing your movie something like iMovie, Adobe Priemere, or some other software that allows you to cut up and reslpice your images and sound is what is needed. For a singular software that combines all 3 programs (Chromanator, DigiGrade and AlamDV) a forth application would have to be developed; the editor. So Along with developing your streamlined editor you have the ask of reprogramming all 3 applications to work as one off one timeline, going through (most likely) thousands of lines of code modifying them, not creating, to work as 1. This would then cause many bugs that'd have to be worked out. As a person who has programmed before and not have NEARLY the programming know how and talent as the guys at CSB, I could not possibly fathom the code behind these most amazing programs, how could I ask them to redo all that. ... I don't mean to offend anyone but try programming an application to read/write to a database and manipulate data. Thats pretty complex stuff, imagine what it's like to write someting that edits and renders video on the fly. Wow... I have mucho respect for the people who craft such applications, all I ahve to say to that is Bravo.
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 1:18am

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or you could just skip the editor and just make it a post production package capable of achieving any special effect needed. That would sell really well...

-You owe me half the profits CSB wink

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I'm just wondering if DigiGrade will have a tool for adding scratches and dots to movies biggrin .

I hope someone can answer that. If not I'll be waiting for the demo smile .

Thanx
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Why would you want that? The only reason I can think of for something like that is to make your video look like it's really old film. Other than that, it'd just make your video look ugly.
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 1:51am

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If you add the tiniest bit of scatches and dots you can simulate film very well.

One more question, will DigiGrade be able to change the frame rate of a video to 24P?
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 2:01am

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Ryan wrote:

If you add the tiniest bit of scatches and dots you can simulate film very well.

One more question, will DigiGrade be able to change the frame rate of a video to 24P?
There is a software from DynaPel Called "Motion Perfect" that does this and it works extraordinarily well, well enough for me to use at least (now thats a feat).
www.Dynapel.com

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Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 2:03am

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Ryan wrote:

If you add the tiniest bit of scatches and dots you can simulate film very well.

One more question, will DigiGrade be able to change the frame rate of a video to 24P?
Why 24p??? it doesnt affect your film that much. Its overrated.
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 2:05am

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There is no substitute for 24 frames per second. I have seen the extras for movies that used one of the other variations (29.97, 30) and they just don't look the same.
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 2:08am

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24fps cant even play on TV's, so theres not much use unless youre printing to film. Just shoot on progressive mode and itll get your movies to look all nice and cinematic. Also, color grading makes things look more pro.
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I find that it is the subtle difference that make the difference between good and great. Any kind of visual enhancement effect (well this is what I find true in images and graphics that I make) that the person can tell right off the back are usually things that are too much and too busy. Things like the light outer glow, or the shadow are what do it. I find taht 24FPS really makes a difference, tho I tend to look really hard. If the average person can't tell then it's worth it. PPL prolly cant tell 29.97 from 24 off the bat but they sure as hell know their camcorders dont make what they see at the showcase and when they see something like it they tend to be more interested.
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I'm using a $600 model I got at Walmart. I don't think it has Progressive Mode, and I can't afford one that does.
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But it can shoot in 24p?

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Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 2:13am

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I'm sorry, I don't understand that eek .
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I wish I knew how this force thing worked cuz according to this system brettsta will pwn me up like no tomorrow. Tho the TV comment confuses me cuz movies today are shot in NTSC FILM which is 23.967 or osmething (24FPS) and that's whats released on DVDs and VHS. If you wouldn't mind clarifying how they "Can't" display at 24fps i'd appreciate it maybe I am thinking of osmething different. Are you sure you aren't confusing Pal and NTSC cuz pal is 25fps and can't play on NTSC TVs. Then there is Secam but I don't know much about that and apparently that is old and like not used in very many places.
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While it is true that TV sets can't play 24 frames per second, you should also keep in mind that the 29.97 frames necessary for NTSC is created simply by duplicating frames of the filmstock. So every 4th frame plays twice in a row. Therefore, when you are watching a program sourced on film on your TV, the image on the screen is only changing 24 times per second. Contrasted to footage sourced on video, which actually changes every frame, or 30 times per second if it was filmed progressive, and changes 60 times per second (once per field, 2 fields per frame) for interlaced source footage.

That is why even though it all plays at 29.97 frames interlaced on your television, you can see the difference in frame rate. Because the actual image doesn't always change with every field.
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Cutty201 wrote:

I wish I knew how this force thing worked cuz according to this system brettsta will pwn me up like no tomorrow.
What does this mean and what pwn
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 5:12am

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I'm using a $600 model I got at Walmart. I don't think it has Progressive Mode, and I can't afford one that does.
But it can shoot in 24p?
Haha, yea right. I'm almost positive the Panasonic DXV-100 and 100a are the only cameras that have the ability to shoot in 24p. And I wouldn't say that 24p is overrated, if u ever see the quality a picture that camera produces... 24p will be your favorite word ha.

Im just hoping that Digigrade will be a hell of a lot faster than Magic Bullet. In Magic Bullet, it takes an hour to render one minute of footage. And even longer if you add something from Look Suite or Letterboxer. I've waited like a whole day for like a 10-15min work to be done rendering. Its not fun...
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Brettsta wrote:

Cutty201 wrote:

I wish I knew how this force thing worked cuz according to this system brettsta will pwn me up like no tomorrow.
What does this mean and what pwn
pwn = p + owned
see the "p" has the "o" in it. someone made a typo and was liek no it's what i meant to say. it's pronounced "pone'd" and can be interpretted as "Powerful Own" otherwise construed as you can kick the living shite out of me.

and as for the force, see the light saber on the side of everyone's name and under hte post count it says force. I don't exactly know what they are for (as I am new) but i am guessing something to do with you're standing or intelligence in the community,as you can see I ahve 0 and you have a CRAPLOAD more, so I made the connection that since you have soo much force you must know wtf you're talking about.
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Naa, Im learning just like everyone else, I just bought 2 products (which each get you force) made some plugins, and wrote some helpful posts.
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Redhawksrymmer wrote:

I wonder what CSB will do after DigiGrade? smile
Mabye alamdv3d and alamdv3d plugin maker.

A fast 3d apl. that uses plugins and can rotate and stuff like that, and pluginmaker to model your'e own stuff.

(If csb now decide to do this, then I want some forcepoints razz )

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Posted: Wed, 25th Aug 2004, 2:46pm

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I think you guys are getting a little ahead of yourselves on this whole questions about DigiGrade business.
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i dont think they will make a 3d program, cus i mean it would have to compete with softimage,max,maya,blender,wings3d and it would take much more than ike 3 people to proram it
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xbreaka wrote:

i dont think they will make a 3d program, cus i mean it would have to compete with softimage,max,maya,blender,wings3d and it would take much more than ike 3 people to proram it
It was actualy just a joke (or a very good idea... hmmmm) razz