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Premiere vs. VV

Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 12:51am

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Now I Know there has been posts like this before, and it would be great if someone could posts some link because I have searced and didn't find anything. But I was just curious which you all prefer.
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 12:53am

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Premiere pro... anyday, anytime
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 12:59am

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Premiere 6.5 all the way.
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 1:05am

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I have only used premiere briefly at school, whats the difference between 6.5 and pro, features wise?
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 1:13am

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I think pro has better and more color correction tools.
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 1:25am

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color correction is important, but ill wait till digigrade, hopefully that will cover that department.
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 1:57am

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I use Premiere 6.5 and am looking to upgrade to Pro...but now I'm a little hesitant, because I may instead be purchasing a mac computer with Final Cut Pro. smile
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 2:03am

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I too am considering the same thing, especially with FCP's fast growth in popularity.
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 2:04am

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jstow222 wrote:

color correction is important, but ill wait till digigrade, hopefully that will cover that department.
DigiGrade will be nice, but it's a hundred times nicer to be able to color correct directly in your editing program, it saves a ton of time.
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 2:58am

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I have no idea what "VV" is but I have use Priemere 4.0, 5.5, 6.0 and now Pro and I like Pro a lot (I liked 5.5 a lil more than 6.0 but 6 offered more video capabilities). Pro is really awesome, I don't know if they discontinued After Effects since Adobe Priemere Pro seems to be able to do everything AE did without the complications and slowness. As for FCP from my dealings with it, wtf, it's Priemere? In fact Adobe is pulling hte plug on Mac dev for Priemere because everyone on a mac is using FCP. I think Pro is a lot different than FCP, that is a THINK, i haven't seen or worked with the latest FCP but from what I saw of FCP and 5.5 / 6 they were identical. So FCP is the Mac version of Priemere imho.
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 3:13am

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Keep in mind that color correction and digital grading are two entirely different things. Color correction involves ajusting the color of each shot or clip. so that it matched the color and lighting of the clips immediately before or after in the sequence. And I agree with Lloyd66, it is much more convenient to be able to do that in yor editor.

Digital grading on the other hand, involves taking and entire scene or sequence and altering the coloring to create a mood, atmosphere, or effect the audience in some other way. This is where DigiGrade will be so useful. As you will be altering entire big chunks (technical term) of your movie in this stage, it is much less inconvenient to have to export to a new program. You could even, I imagine, import the entire thing into DigiGrade and then split up the scenes according where the grading will change. And the tools that DigiGrade will offer are not available in ANY editor, so it will be very worthwhile to export the footage to grade. Even the really, really expensive Avid systems, which have excellent color correction tools, aren't used for grading. Generally Hollywood grading has been done optically up until a few years ago, and even now, they always export it to a seperate program for grading.

Back to the topic at hand, I prefer Premiere myself, but that is only because I am familiar with it, and I have never used Vegas Video. So it is hardly fair for me to vote.
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 6:00am

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Pro is WAY better than normal premiere. It has real time rendering folks; and thats reason enough to make the change.

The motion and transparency settings a whole lot better in pro too. I love it, personally.
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 6:54am

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OH man, Vegas! and im only talking vegas 4! vegas 5 is incredible! i downloaded the demo, and it absolutely owns premiere! its so fast and so optimized! very stable and NEVER crashes! premiere reallly doesnt have anything going for it compared and im talking:

1. more filter
2. better color correction
3. far, far superior titling, since it comes with boris graphitti
4. it also comes with a filmlook program (i think its magicbullet)
5. optimized for hyperthreading
6. has the fastest rendering ive ever used, and have literal instant (and i mean instant, unlike certain programs that say that, but take 30 seconds to load) preview, and can be previewed with tons of filters without slowing down.


anyways, yeah, vegas 5 is even BETTER! And ITS Relatively cheap.
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 12:53pm

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Premiere Pro needs a lot of juice tho... doesn't it?
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 12:58pm

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premiere pro works seamlessly with photoshop and encore - all the adobe products. makes dvd authoring an ease. create menu in ps, bring it to pp, animate all the layers for cool menu transitions - awesome. I've used vegas as well but I would only use it for a few filters - clip manipulation on the timeline is easier in pp.
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 1:03pm

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VEGAS VEGAS VEGAS!!! VEGAS 5!! Recently released, and it has been purchased by MOI! OH MAN! this program rocks the house. Premiere Pro can crawl in a hole and die. I knew Vegas 5 was going to be the supreme Video Editing Program out there when it is released, and now it is! Everyone try out the demo and you will NOT be dissapointed.
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 7:54pm

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I'm using Premiere 6.0, Vegas 4.0 and After Effects 6.0 Pro for my projects. I've tried Premiere Pro as well.

To start, After Effects is an essential tool, regardless of your editor (great for general compositing, rotoscoping, motion graphics, you name it). Anyways, I've got to say that feature wise, Vegas and Premiere Pro are pretty much matched up (however, Premiere does have the convenience of non-destructive "Sequence" compilations). As far as "real-time" editing goes, neither app does background rendering (the "real-time" applies only to your preview window).

I will admit that, if you have Premiere Pro, Encore, Photoshop CS, Audition, and After Effects together, the potential power that can be harnessed is more than anything Vegas 5+DVDA2 will ever give you. HOWEVER, for the price, and "out-of-the-box" functionality (in fact, for video production for most general consumers) the Vegas Production Suite is totally unbeatable (for instance, you get a $300 value Dolby certified AC-3 encoder w/ Vegas; you have to pay $300 for the Premiere Pro SurCode AC-3 encoder).
Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2004, 8:12pm

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pooky wrote:

Premiere Pro needs a lot of juice tho... doesn't it?
I've found that you need a lot of ram or it will run slow on bigger projects. I have 512 mb, but I need more because it has a tendency to run slow sometimes.
Posted: Fri, 30th Apr 2004, 9:12pm

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Oh man, so many good points made, I just don't know what to do, i guess I should demo both of them.
Posted: Fri, 30th Apr 2004, 9:23pm

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Go to adobe's website, a premiere pro 1.5 and AE 6.5 have just been released, now Im really having a hard time with my choice!
Posted: Fri, 30th Apr 2004, 11:35pm

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The only thing I'd throw in here is, I have used both and found Vegas much more fun to use. But also that as my skills grow, Vegas doesn't fall behind. It matches my level. I've been a user since 2001 with version 2.0d. I haven't made the jump to version5, but the demo and video demonstrations are amazing. It's only a matter of time.

I think Vegas is nicer and easier to use. And when bringing my ideas to the timeline, things are more self-explanatory. When I used Premiere, it felt dull and left me scratching my head. I could do the obvious, but bigger ideas were harder to realise. Oh well, that's all.

Adam.
Posted: Sun, 2nd May 2004, 10:03pm

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Ok, so I have spent some considerable time with the 5.0 demo of V V and let me tell you, its awsome. I have never used a prgram that lets me do what i want so easily...now, onto the premiere demo.
Posted: Tue, 26th Jul 2005, 6:37pm

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I have used Premier Pro, FCP and VEGAS. and VEGAS takes the cake. I have used 3,4,5 and now 6. For all of those who havent tried, grab a copy from Sony and use the 30 day demo. IT has so many tools that blow premeire out of the water
Posted: Tue, 26th Jul 2005, 6:40pm

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I have Premiere Pro and Vegas 3 & 4, and Vegas completely OWNS premiere. It's friggin awesome. Premiere runs slower and crashes more. Vegas 4 lyfe.
Posted: Tue, 26th Jul 2005, 6:58pm

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I've used Vegas since 4 and now I'm using 6... It's really great for me...
Posted: Tue, 26th Jul 2005, 7:02pm

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I had premiere 6 and switched to Vegas 3-
Now I have Vegas 5. I've nver looked back. Vegas IMO is the better choice.
Posted: Tue, 26th Jul 2005, 7:05pm

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Vegas can do alot in a little amount of time. Look at these screenshots, all from movies that were coor corrected in about 3 minutes. Vegas is definitely top notch.


[MOD EDIT : Just resized the image for people with lower resoultions.]
Posted: Tue, 26th Jul 2005, 7:15pm

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I prefer Vegas personally. It has a superior interface to Premiere, and I've found it to be much more stable and optimized.
Posted: Tue, 26th Jul 2005, 7:42pm

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Of course those screen shots only took 3 minutes. Considering render times, those are still images so it takes no time. As well setting up for that takes no time at all, especially if you already know what you want. Any of the top NLE can do that.

I'm a FCP 4.5 user, and just made a movie in Premiere Pro, as well had somet ime to work with 6.5. I have no vegas experiance.

As for FCP vs Premiere Pro its really a matter of what computer you have. I pefer FCP because its on a mac. If you already have a PC don't bother switching to FCP. I did find Premeire pro limitin g in its cababilites, FCP takes the cake there. But if I had never used FCP I wouldnt have expected the extra features. The interface is basically the same. Get either one for whatever computer you have.
Posted: Tue, 26th Jul 2005, 7:44pm

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Just trying to say Vegas can always do what you want, and quickly, too. And render times are faster than Premiere on my computer.
Posted: Tue, 26th Jul 2005, 8:17pm

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I've used FCP at work quite a bit and at home i have adobe premier pro 1.5 and it's absolutely brilliant. Tp be honest i'd probably go with my premier over fcp as so far I've done nothing on fcp that i haven't been able to do with premier.


Premiere Pro needs a lot of juice tho... doesn't it? Hmmm not really sure. I'm on a 1.9 ghz with 1gb of ram and it runs like a dream. No slow down with the realtime rendering or the piling on effects. I put together a project for my wife and her short movie presentation for university and one of the great thing i found with premier then was how easy it was to do the titles and dvd authoring. As mentioned and as most know, the adobe family thing they have going on works great.

Never tried vegas but ive seen alot say how much more stable it is and it's interface is superior. Premier has never even slowed down on me, nevermind crash. As for the interface, I'm a very regular photoshop user so premiers interface suits me perfectly.


At the end of the day it comes to personal preference. No program is better than another unless you like it more and works for you. They're all around the same level from what i read. My choice though is premier. Although i had 6.5 before 1.5 pro and i wasnt so keen then, but the upgrades are great.
Posted: Tue, 26th Jul 2005, 8:31pm

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I like Vegas for colour correcting over Premiere, but don't like it much as an editing program. It's own grading tools are great, and it's good seeing the changes as you make them. And Magic Bullet for Vegas is so much better to use than in After Effects. A work colleague was showing me and I immediately decided to buy it myself, heh.
Posted: Tue, 26th Jul 2005, 9:15pm

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Tp be honest i'd probably go with my premier over fcp
Now thats just flat out nutty....

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Posted: Tue, 26th Jul 2005, 9:28pm

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jstow222 wrote:

color correction is important, but ill wait till digigrade, hopefully that will cover that department.
That could be never as FXH team stated earlier this year. Digigrade wont come for a loooong time if at all. I would definately get one with great color tools.
Posted: Tue, 26th Jul 2005, 9:37pm

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CX3 wrote:

Tp be honest i'd probably go with my premier over fcp
Now thats just nutty....
You could've corrected the spelling for me wink

As i have a PC that's the choice I'd make, and as I've used it more, it's the choice I'd make overall smile

If I ever get stuck with anything in Premier then maybe I'll think twice...
Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005, 2:07am

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This past year i just transferred from Pinnacle to Vegas 5. Vegas is quick and stable, unlike pinnacle. I highly recommend Vegas. Also, it features great audio effects.
Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005, 6:40am

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Yeh, i've barely used pinnacle but from what i did it blows, hence why i never mentioned it.
Posted: Wed, 27th Jul 2005, 8:07am

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it's really simple, download the demo's and try them both. Someone really hit the nail on the head here by saying it's personal preference. I have Premiere Pro 1.5 and Vegas 6 + DVD architect 3. I haven't used Vegas much yet. The interfaces are quite different and if you've used one for a while you'll find the other a little hard to pick up at first but either one will deliver what you need without question. Neither, inspite of what someone said on this thread will do anything like what After Effects is capable of. It's not what they are designed to do. Vegas does have better audio tools than premiere which is why I bought Vegas, to suppliment the audio in premiere as it has built in Dolby 5.1 encoding. Titling is better in Vegas but only because they bundle a lmited version of Boris Graffiti, this is also available for Premiere I understand so while it would be an extra cost it's not a reason on it's own to choose Vegas. I've found Premiere Pro to be totally stable so for me at least all this talk of instabiliy is a myth and i've run premiere on a lot of different spec machines from version 6 onwards. So try the demos and make your choice. Read some unbiased reviews instead of canvasing the biased opinions of some forums. Just try them for yourself
Posted: Thu, 28th Jul 2005, 9:02pm

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another vote for the Vegas line. Excellent, excellent, excellent.
Posted: Thu, 28th Jul 2005, 10:00pm

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I honestly don't think it's possible to say Premiere has a better interface. I tried Vegas out once on a test film that I'd made with a friend. I've never looked back since. It took less than half an hour to master.
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I'm not sure that I've seen anyone say that. Maybe some people have said that they prefer it, and maybe that's because everyone is different. I said i like premiers interface because i use all of the adobe products on a daily basis so i'm used to that interface and can easily find everything in there. I've never used vegas and I'm sure i'd have a much more difficult time getting around it than premier.

None are best unless it suits you more than another. In my case, it's very possible for me to say that premiers interface is better, just because it suits me. Try not to stamp people with one opinion.
Posted: Thu, 28th Jul 2005, 10:11pm

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I'm just stating my opinion.

A typical editing session for me involves Vegas, After Effects & Photoshop. I therefore have to work with several different interfaces the whole time. I still prefer the Vegas one though. I just think things are stupidly placed in After Effects. Photoshop is great though.
Posted: Thu, 28th Jul 2005, 10:15pm

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would you guys say that Adobe is more popular than Vegas?
Posted: Thu, 28th Jul 2005, 10:24pm

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No idea about that. Probably not, but it's making itself known amongst the big guns though.
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Bryce007 wrote:

OH man, Vegas! and im only talking vegas 4! vegas 5 is incredible! i downloaded the demo, and it absolutely owns premiere! its so fast and so optimized! very stable and NEVER crashes! premiere reallly doesnt have anything going for it compared and im talking:

1. more filter
2. better color correction
3. far, far superior titling, since it comes with boris graphitti
4. it also comes with a filmlook program (i think its magicbullet)
5. optimized for hyperthreading
6. has the fastest rendering ive ever used, and have literal instant (and i mean instant, unlike certain programs that say that, but take 30 seconds to load) preview, and can be previewed with tons of filters without slowing down.


anyways, yeah, vegas 5 is even BETTER! And ITS Relatively cheap.
THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT! Vegas Is Indeed the best program out there. Easiest to use, and Flows wonderful with Photoshop and Illustrator! Vegas Is so easy to use you can makes movies lieft and right with super awesome quality. want 5.1 vegas says BOOM! There ya go!