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Posted: Wed, 12th May 2004, 12:54am

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In case you don't know, Nintendo had it's Pre-E3 conference today. In it they revealed a new Zelda, the DS, and games for the DS. The DS is Nintendo's new handheld system with two screens, one normal one and one touch-screen. The DS's graphics are absolutely amazing. Check out the screens for the DS game Metroid Prime Hunters at N-Philes. It showcases the systems amazing graphics. Other DS games include Viewtiful Joe, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles, Mario Kart, a 4-player version of Super Mario 64, Animal Crossing, Super Mario Bros., and Picto-Chat, a wireless chat program.

For GameCube, Nintendo revealed Metroid Prime 2, Paper Mario 2, Fire Emblem, Advance Wars: Under Fire, Mario Tennis, Star Fox 2, and Resident Evil 4.

On the GBA front, there's a new Capcom Zelda called Zelda: The Minish Cap, Mario Party Advance, F-Zero, and Kirby & the Amazing Mirror. Zelda and F-Zero look very nice.

Remember, this is just Nintendo's Pre E3 conference. E3 hasn't even started yet! If you want more information on the games I've mentioned, go to the following sites:

N-Philes
IGN Cube
Planet GameCube

You can also ask me any questions you have.
Posted: Wed, 12th May 2004, 1:26am

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Wow, those screenshots look awesome! The only problem is that it would be impossible to play a 3d game with that little directional pad. Hopefully that will be improved over time.
Posted: Wed, 12th May 2004, 2:07am

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cant wait for all of this!
Posted: Wed, 12th May 2004, 2:10am

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I wonder what DS stands for... Dual Screen? If it's not too expensive, I might just buy one when it comes out. Course I'll have to check out the PSP as well.
Posted: Wed, 12th May 2004, 2:16am

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looks awesome

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&edition=us&ie=ascii&q=nintendo+ds
Posted: Wed, 12th May 2004, 2:31am

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Good guess pooky. Nintendo officially announced a while ago that it did stand for Dual Screen. Though that may not be the official name when it is released. It is going to be released this winter/before Christmas.
Posted: Wed, 12th May 2004, 2:38am

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LOZ: Minish Cap, just got new screens and a trailer. watch them here
Posted: Wed, 12th May 2004, 1:39pm

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Lloyd66 wrote:

The only problem is that it would be impossible to play a 3d game with that little directional pad. Hopefully that will be improved over time.
They already did, I think. The screens are touch sensitive, wich is cool, and it has wireless internet access. smile

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Posted: Wed, 12th May 2004, 3:30pm

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Also, if you want to download the actual webcast and unveiling of all the Nintendo E3 showcase stuff.. go to:

www.cube-europe.com

They have all the videos too, and in my opinion - are the best Nintendo site for news (all I am biast as I work for them).

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Posted: Wed, 12th May 2004, 10:16pm

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Actually, it is possible to play a 3d game using the d-pad. Playstation 1 did it all the time, and so does PS 2. It is actually very easy, but takes a few minutes to get used to. But not long.
Posted: Wed, 12th May 2004, 11:22pm

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Except that the PS1 / PS2 Dual Shock /2 controllers have an analog stick...

Anyways, take a gander at Sony's PSP:
http://psp.ign.com/
Posted: Wed, 12th May 2004, 11:24pm

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http://www.epinions.com/images/opti/c2/9d/Naki_Advanced_Rocker_Controllers_for_Nintendo_64__Floppy_59017-resized200.jpg
that thing in the middle you could probably do 3d with... not sure what it's called tho. Since i got my computer, i haven't spent much time in my room smile .
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Yep PSP looks like it's gonna be tons better than DS.
Posted: Wed, 12th May 2004, 11:42pm

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pooky wrote:

Yep PSP looks like it's gonna be tons better than DS.
Not really, read ign's impressions on both sides.

The DS is going to rock.
Posted: Wed, 12th May 2004, 11:48pm

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The graphics on the PSP are far superior, it's better than a PS1!

However the PSP will probably cost a lot more.
Posted: Wed, 12th May 2004, 11:56pm

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The PSP is apparently PS2 powerful! It is also a media device which can play video and music while also having a vastly superior screen to display stuff on compared to those on the DS. The PSP also has superior game storage and memory sticks making it quite a versatile media machine rather than just a handheld games machine.

The DS appears to only be N64 powerful, so under 1/10th the PSPs power and far more limited in what it can do out of the box (I bet some mods will fix a lot of that). Although the DS doesn't appear cutting edge I bet that Nintendo will put a really tempting price on it.

If it was a straight fight for power the PSP would destroy the DS but I think the price range will probably be vastly different considering the much more hardcore technology in PSP. I wouldn't be surprised if the PSP isn't nearly twice as much as the DS. It will be interesting to see how these 2 co-exist - I can't see that either one will destroy the other at the moment as they are so different.

I think Sony must know that even with a superior product you can never bet against Nintendo in the handheld market so I guess they'll just try for a good market share rather than PS2 style total domination.
Posted: Thu, 13th May 2004, 12:15am

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Graphics?!?!? You've got to be kidding me. Well, graphics aren't the only thing that matters. Did you see the PSP released library? I mean come on, almost all of them are ports. DS has better games, IMO, such as:

Metroid Prime: Hunters
Mario Kart
Super Mario 64 x 4
Animal Crossing
WarioWare, Inc.
Super Mario Bros. (possible remake?)
Viewtiful Joe
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles

All are originals, unless Animal Crossing is a port of the original.

Also, the DS has Wi Fi capabilities, demonstrated best with Metroid Prime: Hunters. The bottom screen is a touch sensitive screen. The DS also plays both DS "game cards" and GBA cartridges.

Take a look at this:











And schwar, the DS is more powerful than the N64.

Monkey: old PS1 games used the D-Pad, since the Dual Shock controller wasn't released yet.
Posted: Thu, 13th May 2004, 12:26am

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Wow Metroid looks worse than I thought, it's like doom!

Take a look at PSP screens, they look nearly like the PS2. Anyway as Schwar said, the price will probably be WAY different.
Posted: Thu, 13th May 2004, 12:33am

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Psp graphics do look better, yes. And it will probably cost what a new console would cost. I'm excited for both, because these are the first 3D handhelds. That's totally awesome.
Posted: Thu, 13th May 2004, 12:37am

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This is the dawn of a new era! *dramatic music*
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Metroid looks a lot better in motion, and those pictures are way blown up, in motion on the screen of the DS the jaggies are completely unnoticeable, and software anti-aliasing wouldn't be too hard to implement. It all depends on the developers, of which the PSP doesn't have half when compared to the DS. The games coming out for the DS are gonna rock.

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Posted: Thu, 13th May 2004, 12:44am

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I suppose, if you're into Mario, Metroid, Zelda, and all that gang. But PSP seems to have more mature games (Metal Gear Solid, THPSU, GT4....) that require better graphics.
Posted: Thu, 13th May 2004, 1:30am

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DS will have other "Mature" games, they have just announced the good quality games biggrin . Like I said, graphics do not make a good game at all.
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Oh, PS, you do have to admit, Nintendo will rule the gaming section will own this May, actually started in LA today. try to look for their press conference movie. It's funny. They announce all of their games etc. and a t the end they're kind of like, "Oh, we've got one more thing." Then they throw out Zelda, and everyone's amazed.
Posted: Thu, 13th May 2004, 1:42am

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Yes, PS1 games did originally utilize the D-pad, but the PS2's native control scheme is based around the analog stick.

Obviously, there's going to be a price gap between the DS and the PSP, but my interest is really in the mobile technology. Square-Enix is releasing FFVII: Advent Children on DVD as well the PSP UMD disc (just imagine how cool it would be if Sony Pictures, Columbia / Tri-Star followed suit: mobile, widescreen MPEG-4 movies).

Also, don't forget the wireless gaming aspect of the BlueTooth equipped PSP.
Posted: Thu, 13th May 2004, 1:53am

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I personnally find that all the MArio and such games are only good if you're more than one. Name me a mature game for DS apart from THPS then smile

Of course graphics don't make the game, but you'd still rather play on a PS2 than a N64 right?
Posted: Thu, 13th May 2004, 1:55am

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Ah, yes, but the Nintendo DS will also have Bluetooth wireless for all multi player games, and even wireless online for long distance. You can see this featured in Animal Crossing and Picto-Chat. Blue tooth will be used on the DS, confirmed by nintendo. And FFVII: Advent Children looks sweet. Too bad its only like, 27 minutes and they've literally been working on it for two and a half years.
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Hmm I don't care much for wireless access........ what does it give? Internet play? If so then that is a nice feature smile

But the PSP will play Audio and Music, and makes up for it.
Posted: Thu, 13th May 2004, 1:58am

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Heh, nope. Rather play games on N64, such as OoT, Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie, Star Fox 64, Paper Mario, Golden Eye, and tons more, rather than a few ok RPG's and FPS's. Nintendo has not released any mature games, YET. But most mature games are third party, and they have only released 2 third party titles (Spider Man 2 and a couple of others) and they said more are coming.
Posted: Thu, 13th May 2004, 2:00am

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Oh, wireless connection will allow, easy multiplayer, very easy, and for the DS, online play. So, it will be good if you have friends to play with (just a joke pooky, don't take it seriously.)
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N64 games? Bah smile Only good thing on there I find is Super Smash Bros... in fact its one of my favorite games on any console crazy

Wait a second.... how can bluetooth enable you to play N64... it doesn't have bluetooth

EDIT: Online play? Ah, now this I like smile now hopefully they won't come out with a monthly fee, though I suspect they will.
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pooky wrote:

Wait a second.... how can bluetooth enable you to play N64... it doesn't have bluetooth
Umm,when did I say it did?
Posted: Thu, 13th May 2004, 2:09am

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Serpent wrote:

Heh, nope. Rather play games on N64, such as OoT, Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie, Star Fox 64, Paper Mario, Golden Eye, and tons more, rather than a few ok RPG's and FPS's.
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Posted: Thu, 13th May 2004, 2:17am

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I was answering your question about, "Wouldn't you rather play PS@ than N64 games?" I like them more they are fun Tht's what a game should be, not cool, fun. That's what they're made for. I'm not saying the games you play aren't, I just enjoy the ones I play.
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Yep, I guess this pretty much means we both have our tastes.

I like more mature and developped games, and you like more kiddish (excuse the expression) games.
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That's ok, call them "kiddish" if you want. Even though not all of them are ex) Golden Eye, OoT, A few sports Games (mainly Soccer/Football in Britain), Body Harvest, Metroid Prime, Rogue Squadron, etc.

PEACE OUT
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I was referrign to the Mario type games. I didn't mean to offend you if I did, I just couldn't find another word for it confused
Posted: Thu, 13th May 2004, 2:31am

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You didn't offend me smile . I;m just saying, I don't only like the bright kind of style. Oh yeah, Timesplitters, ...., no, just kidding.
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A game which will make you think twice before calling Nintendo 'childish' or branding them 'kiddy' is Eternal Darkness.

Give that a go with the lights off.

Superb game. Absolutely brilliant. Scary too. smile
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The PSP's BlueTooth is for multiplayer games as well.

Two games I am looking forward to in specific:
Metal Gear Solid: Acid - Hideo Kojima rings up the goods
Gran Turismo 4 - With all the fun I had in Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec, this thing is gnna rock.
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Ok...

The only reason the DS isn't much faster than the N64 but it only has to render to 2 low res screens and its much harder to see details at that size so its ok. Serpant said how all the games on the PSP will be ports and all the DC games are new, but all the DC games he listed are just updated versions of old games - just like the PSP will get.

The PSP also gets WiFi just in case people didn't know. There really is no point comparing them on a technical level - the PSP holds all the aces.
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However, on a software level and price level.

The DS holds all the Aces. wink
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Everyone is forgetting the two factors that make a system PORTABLE. Sony won't give anyone an answer as far as battery life, saying anywhere from 2.5 hours to 10 hours is fairly broad and leads me to believe that when playing a very processor intensive game such as Metal Gear: ASSid (which no one has played yet on a PSP) you won't be enjoying Snake's "Solid Snake" for any longer than 3 hours.

Another thing is size, it's freakin' huge! I can't imagine too many people running around with one of those in their pocket, or putting on the provided lanyard and strolling around like a big queen.

Look Reggie the bad ass can barely even hold it.



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Heh, George Harrison rocks. I loved his truthful digs at Microsoft and Sony.

As for the system - I'll be getting them both, but I feel the DS will rock more smile
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Price level the DS will be cheaper, but you do get less for your money.

Don't start saying the games on the DS are already better than those on the PSP. Until now the only options for handheld users has been Nintendo so I think things will change pretty rapidly. As the DS and the PSP are a cut above current handhelds its hard to tell which way sales will go - the mobile user has only had the chance to play low-tech games until now, with the PSP you get the chance to have PS2 games in your hand.

With the new handhelds you can probably look at the console market to predict which game catalogue people will prefer and as they will no longer be stuck with Nintendo it will be interesting. If you do look at the console market and what will now be on offer to PSP users I think the DC could have the same problems and perceptions as the GC. Just to make things worse for Nintendo the performance gap between the PSP and the DC is much bigger than between the PS2 and the GC.

So basically the DC will probably have a price advantage (but not really if you look at what you are getting), a large performance disadvantage and different people will like the different games each console has. Sony have said that for playing games battery life will be 2.5-3 hours - this is mainly because of the media drive (the same problem the next GB will have). It can play 10 hours of media from memory sticks. I don't see this as much of a problem because you can normally find a lighter socket or something to plug in to and I bet there will be extra powerpacks - it just the same kinda problem faced by iPod users and they have done pretty well wink .

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Of course, either one will be too rich for my blood as of right now...
Saving up for a college notebook.
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http://games.tvrealm.com/e3media/ds2.avi

Here is a little taste of some DS action. Looks pretty cool if you ask me, and no jaggies..w00t


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Okay, it seems that everyone voiced their opinion on the DS vs. PSP subject, so what does everyone think about the GC lineup? Impressed? Dissappointed? Tell me what you think. I personally thought it was fantastic. Here's the highlight games of the show:

Metroid Prime 2: Echoes*
Resident Evil 4*
Pikmin 2*
Star Fox*
Baten Kaitos*
Tales of Symphonia*
Mario Tennis*
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat*
Viewtiful Joe 2
Prince of Persia 2
Phantasy Star Universe
The Movies
Advance Wars: Under Fire*
Fire Emblem*
Killer 7
TimeSplitters 3: Future Perfect
Virtua Quest
StarCraft: Ghost
Geist*
REALISTIC ZELDA*

The games with asteriks are games that are exclusive to GC.

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I think the people who think the DS is way better than the PSP are looking at them with blinkers. I don't think that even a much lower price will let the DS triumph because on the gaming side, nintendo have a distinct style of game and there are those people that like them and those that don't. The ones that do are a dieing breed as we can see by the failure of the gamecube.

The other main advantage that the PSP has are its media capabilities and I can see it poaching customers from the ipod and next generation of media players as well as simply gamers.

I have never before even been tempted by a portable game system until I read about the PSP. I looked at the GBA but couldn't get past the fact that the games are so poor and previous generation. The PSP has another advantage that it is the current generation, 'you can have ps2 games in the palm of your hand', and I think that will be a huge advantage till the xbox2 and ps3 come out.

Just to show how dissapointing the DS is, I came into IRC the other day saying how cheap and tacky the DS looked and posting pics of it (before it was officially announced) and everyone was agreeing that it must be fake because it couldn't really be that bad!

Lastly I don't think that battery life of 3 hours of gaming is too bad at all. Since when are you gonna play for more than that in a go on a portable anyway?
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Check out some DS vids here. I recommend the Metroid one and the Mario 64 one. Both look very fun.

Kid: How is the GC a "failure"? It's in second place worldwide sales wise and turns in a profit for Nintendo. Just because it hasn't sold a gazillion units doesn't mean it's a failure.
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Its only in second place depending what sources you look at, either way its very close to the Xbox which puts it at like 1/6th (or less) of the PS2 unit sales - that would seem like a bit of a failure to me for the ex biggest console company in the world. Also if you look at the sales in the regions where all 3 consoles are sold together the GC comes dead last - hence they have begun to stop selling it in many large retail chains across Europe.

Going back to the DS, even Er-no "Nintendo Lover" didn't think the DS could look that rubbish when Kid showed the image on chat before the webcast - some Nintendo fans might call it retro but I think cheap and nasty is more to the point.

Don't get me wrong, I do like the GC and although I have little time for console games these days its the console I would pull out to play with friends (a little Money Ball always goes down well). But I do however recognise that the PS2 is a more complete console when it comes to games even if it was never as killer as the PS1. If there is a console I don't like I'll admit its the Xbox because when I got it the first day it came out it was broken, then after a week of being fixed Halo was nowhere near as good as it was before Microsoft took over and all the other games were much worse than stuff I had on the PS2 and the PC. I've still not played any games which would make me think its worth owning an Xbox again - maybe Xbox2 will change my mind.

In the end we've got to help all these new consoles and handhelds do well as its the best way to keep games and hardware moving forward. Having just 1 controlling company wouldn't be good for future progression so lets wish them all luck.
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So, what does everyone think about the GC and GBA lineups?
Posted: Sat, 15th May 2004, 5:27pm

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guys you are forgetting one thing:

The Nintendo DS is just another product by Nintendo and not a successor to GBA. GBA2 is for sure in development right now and will be out in 2 or so years. The main problem for Nintendo is their philosophy that the battery life must as long as possible.... from 16-20 hours.

Hey, Gamegear was far more superior than the old GB, but the battery life lasted only 2 hours... everybody was frustrated, so GB won.

When DS comes out, I'll buy it immediatly for sure and that's because I want Dual Screen, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Touch Screen, Voice Recognition, WirelessLAN up to 16 people, connection to other people worldwide and backward compatibilty to over 400 already existing GBA games. All that is not going to be on for PSP, which I admit is a powerful piece of hardware, but I can get what PSP gives me with the upcoming GBA2.
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However the GBA2 is coming out in 2 or more years, you said it yourself smile
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schwar wrote:


Going back to the DS, even Er-no "Nintendo Lover" didn't think the DS could look that rubbish when Kid showed the image on chat before the webcast - some Nintendo fans might call it retro but I think cheap and nasty is more to the point.
I must admit, I was shocked when the rumoured look was then made official. The DS does look like a Game&Watch reject from 1983. However, having said that... its clear the design of the DS is for a good reason - It probably fits nicely into the average gamers hands and works well within its design. A friend over at E3 contacted me yesterday and said the PSP was rather ugly to hold, he didn't make comment on the DS but I haven't heard anything bad about it. I was also shouting about the PS2 looking too retro to sell.. how wrong I was there. One thing is for sure, the NintendoDS will sellout in Japan and launch extremely stateside. However, it's the performance in Europe which will be most interesting.

I'm importing though, so I'm not bothered. I just know it's going to be awesome playing on my NintendoDS whilst in Uni lectures.

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