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Posted: Mon, 17th May 2004, 1:58am

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Hi, i was just wondering if anyone could give me some opinions on Pinnacle Studio 9. I can't afford anything that costs more than that. Thanx in advance biggrin .
Posted: Mon, 17th May 2004, 1:59am

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As a user of 8, it is a great editing program to get you started on, i think the best. Once you use anything better like premiere though, you cant go back. Its the best prog in the price range im guessing youre in.
Posted: Mon, 17th May 2004, 2:36am

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Studio 9 is a very good entry level editor AND DVD creator. If you want to do anything other than BASIC visual or audio FX then you'll need to supliment it with other software. I've owned every Pinnacle consumer level editor since "studio 200" and 9 is definately the best of the sub $100 bunch. However it does have its stability issues. I've been relatively lucky, on my system Studio 9 is quite stable but if you peruse the Studio 9 forums on the Pinnacle website you'll see that not everyone has been so lucky.
It is my favorite DVD authoring program bar none. It can create some outstanding motion menus and buttons to rival commercial discs with ease...and the user community is strong on the forums...
Whatever your choice remember to HAVE FUN!
Posted: Mon, 17th May 2004, 9:59pm

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Can anyone tell me how good the special features are like the surround sound editor, the camera whine reduction, and the image stabilization?

Thanks smile
Posted: Mon, 17th May 2004, 10:33pm

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I use pinnacle 8 and don't like it too much, but it's ok. Does 9 have a reverse clip otion?
Posted: Mon, 17th May 2004, 10:38pm

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4036Douglas wrote:

I use pinnacle 8 and don't like it too much, but it's ok.
What don't you like about it? Just wondering.
Posted: Tue, 18th May 2004, 2:26am

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Studio 9 does not natively have a reverse feature however Studio 9 does support 3rd party plugins and there happens to be a very good FREE reverse plugin available. The surround sound feature is very easy to use. You can keyframe any of the 3 audio tracks to any position around the listener however the rendering time is affected. I've not had much luck with the noise reduction feature and I've not tried the image stabilization feature because I do most of my shooting from a tripod.
Posted: Tue, 18th May 2004, 11:52pm

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Ok, thanx a lot for the info.
Posted: Tue, 18th May 2004, 11:58pm

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Ryan wrote:

4036Douglas wrote:

I use pinnacle 8 and don't like it too much, but it's ok.
What don't you like about it? Just wondering.
Well, it's not very stable, it doesn't have all the options/features i want, and it only has 2 sound tracks.
Posted: Wed, 19th May 2004, 12:07am

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Ahh, I see...
Posted: Wed, 19th May 2004, 10:13pm

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ehh I liked Pinnacle when I first bought it, but the more and more i used it, the more and more tired I grew of it erroring. I guess I was one of those, UNLUCKY ones. I owned Studio 8 and it errored on me for just about every project I worked on. Some projects, which I had spent hours and hours working on, I had to completely redo because of Pinnacles great unstableness. I'm not sure if Studio 9 is the same but I've heard from people that it still errors constantly. In fact, I got so fed up with Pinnacle that I recently bought a different editor. I bought Sony Screenblast Studio, its super stable and has a lot more features than Pinnacle did. I've been amazingly pleased with it. And the best thing about it... I got it for only $50. The original retail price was $100 but I bought it with an Academic discount. It also comes with Sonic, My DVD for DVD and VCD authoring. Its great for people in our price range. (the website for it http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/Products/ShowProduct.asp?PID=856) I'd say to go with Screenblast but its up to you. Either way good luck with your search.
Posted: Fri, 21st May 2004, 6:44pm

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Well, when I picked up my DC10+, the basic studio software to edit with was pretty decent. I even moved to Studio7 and 8. But once I shot my little film back in 2001, I soon found out that there were so many things it couldn't do. So, I tried premiere and then vegas. Have been with Vegas ever since...
I only keep Studio8 for capturing needs. Nothing more.

Adam.
Posted: Fri, 21st May 2004, 6:48pm

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adamlightandmagic wrote:

Well, when I picked up my DC10+, the basic studio software to edit with was pretty decent. I even moved to Studio7 and 8. But once I shot my little film back in 2001, I soon found out that there were so many things it couldn't do. So, I tried premiere and then vegas. Have been with Vegas ever since...
I only keep Studio8 for capturing needs. Nothing more.

Adam.
when you capture the video in studio 8(or 9) i like that it splits up the movie into scenes. Where does it put these files tahat have the seperate scenes? All Ive found was one long file of my captured footage. Why cant any of the more powerful programs auto detect scenes. unsure
Posted: Fri, 21st May 2004, 7:49pm

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Studio uses a .scn file to determine the breaking down of the scenes. Hence auto-detect only works in Studio.

The reason most professional programs don't have auto-detect is because it isn't needed in professional environments. For one thing, you have the clip window where you can set mark in and mark out. Also, most professional projects have the tape footage logged, anyway.
Posted: Fri, 21st May 2004, 10:01pm

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The program I have now is Roxio Wideowave Movie Creator. It is not very stable and has editing and compressing problems. Do you Studio 9 is better?
Posted: Fri, 21st May 2004, 10:05pm

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Roxio is not good. Pinnacle is way better. Its the best editing software around 100 bucks.
Posted: Fri, 21st May 2004, 10:26pm

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Brettsta wrote:

Its the best editing software around 100 bucks.
No. That would be Sony Screenblast Movie Studio 3.0. Pinnacle is only the most popular cheap editing program.
Posted: Fri, 21st May 2004, 10:33pm

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pooky wrote:

Brettsta wrote:

Its the best editing software around 100 bucks.
No. That would be Sony Screenblast Movie Studio 3.0. Pinnacle is only the most popular cheap editing program.
Just my opinion. You dont have to agree smile. I tried the demo of that and hated it personally, but I guess it comes down to personal preference in the end. Ive never had any problems with pinnacle.
Posted: Fri, 21st May 2004, 11:01pm

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Well, about auto-detecting scenes. I'm sure it's available in other progs. Maybe Vegas, I can't remember. However, a new feature in Vegas are sub-clips. Very useful because it means you can cut out a "subclip," name it and then have it sitting ready in the media bin, ready for use.

In fact, it's a nice way of cutting up the takes for any particular scene. Especially good for leaving notes attached to them to highlight what you liked, didn't like, etc. etc.

Sorry, got a little carried away there. But it is a damned useful feature!

Adam.
Posted: Sat, 22nd May 2004, 3:22pm

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pooky wrote:

Brettsta wrote:

Its the best editing software around 100 bucks.
No. That would be Sony Screenblast Movie Studio 3.0. Pinnacle is only the most popular cheap editing program.
I love how my post goes unnoticed, thats the stuff I mentioned. And pooky is 100% right.

Pinnacle is more popular but Screenblast is STABLE for one, and it actually has a lot more customizable features. Its a little more confusing than Pinnacle, but if you take the time to read the manual its very easy to use (so i can see why brettsta probably didn't like it if he only downloaded the demo).

I don't know about you but I'd much rather have a program where I can finish my projects than a program where there is a very high risk that I might have to restart my project several times (making trying to edit some simple footage take days to weeks).
Posted: Sat, 22nd May 2004, 7:41pm

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I tried the demo for Sony Screenblast Studio, but I don't plan to get it.

Does anyone have any more comments on Studio 9?
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2004, 1:34am

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If it's your first editor, go for it. But then, for your money, I'd have to agree with Pooky on Sony Screenblast. Space to grow. I too have had troubles with my last editing projects in Studio. I remember compiling an out-takes video and for some unknown reason, the next time I loaded the project up, studio had buggered up the output. And I now remember having problems with stability too. Yikes, it's all starting to come back to me!

But hey, while I own a pinnacle product (Studio DC10+) - their customer care is pretty much non-existent. It's shockingly bad. They're notorius for it. So, if something goes wrong, you'd better hope some kind soul on the webboards can help. I know I had to rely on that one hope lately. Here's the kicker - I found help, not on the pinnacle boards, but on then Sony boards!!! It's up to you, the only thing I ever liked about studio were the nice transitions and the music you could tag on. But you'd be better with something else. Which is why I'd side with Sony on this one.

However, I have just remembered an alternative. Try this - http://www.softlab-nsk.com/ddclipro/freetable.html - it's free and just lacks a few niceties. Apart from that, it's pretty decent. And hell, it's FREE!!

Peace,
Adam.
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2004, 1:50am

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LOL portalmaster, your posts DO go unnoticed biggrin

Ryan - Screenblast studio is 10 times better than Pinnacle, but costs the same. If you only let a week or two for you to get used to it, I'm sure you will be greateful for not getting Pinnacle.
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2004, 7:13pm

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pooky wrote:

LOL portalmaster, your posts DO go unnoticed biggrin

Ryan - Screenblast studio is 10 times better than Pinnacle, but costs the same. If you only let a week or two for you to get used to it, I'm sure you will be greateful for not getting Pinnacle.
Ditto. biggrin
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2004, 7:19pm

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My Prediction:

Ryan: Hey I found Studio 9 for 89 on eBay. I think I will get it.

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Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 8:33pm

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I guess my biggest question is are there ever any misplaced frames or problems with the sound not being properly placed on the footage with Studio 9?

Thanx biggrin
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 8:51pm

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*Shakes head and walks away* wink
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 11:46pm

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Brettsta wrote:

pooky wrote:

Brettsta wrote:

Its the best editing software around 100 bucks.
No. That would be Sony Screenblast Movie Studio 3.0. Pinnacle is only the most popular cheap editing program.
Just my opinion. You dont have to agree smile. I tried the demo of that and hated it personally.
First, I didn't like the interface. It reminded me of paint. Secondly, it doesn't do anything. It just drops stuff on top and does things I can already do. Pinnacle actually has tools that will help me expand my capabilities.

Pooky, have you tried Studio 9?
Posted: Wed, 26th May 2004, 12:56am

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No. I'm telling you it is a whole lot better than Studio 9 without even having tried any of them.











Yes
Posted: Wed, 26th May 2004, 12:58am

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Ryan, I agree with you completely.
Posted: Wed, 26th May 2004, 1:02am

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Guess it's a matter of taste. If Studio 9 doesn't crash and mess up all the time, I suppose it would be better. But that's rare.
Posted: Wed, 26th May 2004, 11:40am

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First, I didn't like the interface. It reminded me of paint.
Paint!? eek tard It's the same brilliant interface that Vegas 5 uses!! There's serious power in that interface. Take it from a Vegas user of 3 years. I would've described Pinnacle's timeline to be far less useful than any other program out there. It's pretty limiting.

Secondly, it doesn't do anything. It just drops stuff on top and does things I can already do. Pinnacle actually has tools that will help me expand my capabilities.
This intrigued me because it shows you already edit with something and that somehow you don't like Sony's product, otherwise why describe it so flippantly. Could you tell us what editing software you currently use? And also what tools do Pinnacle have that Sony's product doesn't? Please don't mention the surround mixer cause I hear it sucks!

Adam.
Posted: Wed, 26th May 2004, 7:45pm

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Ryan wrote:

Brettsta wrote:

pooky wrote:

Brettsta wrote:

Its the best editing software around 100 bucks.
No. That would be Sony Screenblast Movie Studio 3.0. Pinnacle is only the most popular cheap editing program.
Just my opinion. You dont have to agree smile. I tried the demo of that and hated it personally.
First, I didn't like the interface. It reminded me of paint. Secondly, it doesn't do anything. It just drops stuff on top and does things I can already do. Pinnacle actually has tools that will help me expand my capabilities.
http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/Products/showproduct.asp?PID=856&FeatureID=7231

*shakes head in unison with pooky*

adamlightandmagic wrote:

It's the same brilliant interface that Vegas 5 uses!! There's serious power in that interface.
The interface allows you to do a lot more than you can in pinnacle. And yes, its the same interface thats used in Vegas 5, a more professional and expensive editing software.
Posted: Wed, 26th May 2004, 11:22pm

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portalmaster wrote:


http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/Products/showproduct.asp?PID=856&FeatureID=7231

*shakes head in unison with pooky*
That chart is on the Sony site, so of course it is going to say that ScreenBlast is best. What I'm trying to say about ScreenBlast is that it just either moves the clips around or does some effect I could do WITH KEYFRAMES in Alam DV2.

Pinnacle has options that are new to me like image stabilization and the surround sound editor which I hear only has problems with not being able to compress the sound.

As I have already said, my editing program is Roxio VideoWave Movie Creator.

My only question is: (mainly to Brettsta) Do you ever get misplaced frames or misplaced sound? I have problems like these with my current editing software.
Posted: Wed, 26th May 2004, 11:25pm

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No, not that I remember. The only thing I was frustrated with in Studio was the limitation of audio tracks, which Im not sure if there is more or less in screenblast.
Posted: Wed, 26th May 2004, 11:47pm

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Guess what? I've had those problems with the Pinnacle projects I mentioned. Those exact problems. The transitions loaded got stuck in the strangest way and flickered across the whole range of footage until the next one came up and that did the same. Sound could go out of sync for no reason. When that happened, I just moved to something else.

What I'm trying to say about ScreenBlast is that it just either moves the clips around or does some effect I could do WITH KEYFRAMES in Alam DV2.
Well, all I can say is that you're missing the point. Pinnacle is the prog that just moves things about. Image stablization? The surround utility? ... neutral

You know what? Buy it. But don't say we didn't warn you. You've obviously made your mind up and can't accept anything bad about it. My advice is to go to their forums (http://www.pinnaclesys.com/docsupport1.asp?division_id=1&langue_id=2&product_id=1501&product_name=Studio%20version%209%20&page_id=86#) and look at the problems that occur. You'll realise just how good their software really is. Why do you think we're trying to pursuade you towards the better software?

There's a reason that pinnacle software is notoriously bad. I just had 4 months of hell and was hoping I could save you that trouble. They never helped me...

Peace,
Adam.
Posted: Thu, 27th May 2004, 2:42am

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Ryan don't get Studio 9 for it's image stabilization or audio features. The image stabilization feature is not a "license to shoot shaky video" and the surround feature is OK at best. Like I said earlier I use Studio 9 for it's DVD creation abilities...in that department IMHO it's very good. However I am currently waiting for my copy of Vegas5+DVD to arrive via mailorder!
Posted: Thu, 27th May 2004, 3:54am

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Ryan wrote:


That chart is on the Sony site, so of course it is going to say that ScreenBlast is best. What I'm trying to say about ScreenBlast is that it just either moves the clips around or does some effect I could do WITH KEYFRAMES in Alam DV2.

Pinnacle has options that are new to me like image stabilization and the surround sound editor which I hear only has problems with not being able to compress the sound.

My only question is: (mainly to Brettsta) Do you ever get misplaced frames or misplaced sound? I have problems like these with my current editing software.
You don't just move clips around or place effects on them, no sir thats definitely not all you can do. And the current Alam DV program only lets you overlay effects in opposed to use effects that manipulate the screen. Every effect is customizable and you can key frame them too. There is also audio, not only video filters.

Image stabilization? You want to do image stabilization in post? You should have an image stabilizer on your camera already and if not i would recomend using that money to buy a camera that does because its almost always needed. In post, the image stabilizer will probably lessen the quality of your video because it only has the boundaries of what you already filmed to work with. And if your work is still too shaky I would recomend getting a tripod or taking the time to practice holding a camera steady (it could help out a lot).

Ok on to the surround sound thing. I'm pretty sure that you can only export surround sound to a DVD. So then I ask you, do you have a DVD burner and DVD's to burn on? (I could be wrong but I know a friend who said he read that somewhere. And of course Pinnacle wouldn't advertise it on their site because it is one of those "fine print" things that businesses don't plainly tell the customer.)

And I will also answer you last question. Yes I have had problems with misplaced audio and frames in Pinnacle several times. Many projects that I would export would come out all out of place, and it just drove me crazy because it would happen every time, making me start the project all over. I also had major problems with the titles. One time when I opened a project of mine, all of the titles were missing, making me remake them all over again. The latest problems that I had with Pinnacle was that it kept corrupting my project files. Every time that I would open the file it would error as soon as the project loaded, and the menu bars would disappear. It made me redo the entire project over and over and over again. This also happened with EVERY SINGLE PROJECT that I had worked on ever since the problem started (after i downloaded the latest update for the program). I could sit here all day writing down all the problems I had with Pinnacle but then this post would take an entire hour to read.

Like adamlightandmagic said, go ahead and buy it. But me and pooky and adamlightandmagic warned you. Don't come back complaining that you've just wasted one hundred bucks because you can't finish a single project. I just wish someone would've told me about all this before I blew away $100 of my own money.

And if Pinnacle does work out for you, then congratulations, you are one of those lucky few (if there are any) who don't get major problems with it. I wish you the best of luck though, because if you buy Pinnacle you'll probably need it.

Peace,
Jason
Posted: Thu, 27th May 2004, 11:18am

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KungSanGun, you're gonna love Vegas5. biggrin I just created a dvd with ver5 and Dvda2 and it looks amazing. The mpeg2 encoding is far superior to the last version from ver4.


Oh, and there's something else you should know Ryan, Pinnacle's mpeg2 encoding SUCKS! Too many patches of noise, blurry moments and flying blocks. So sad...

That chart is on the Sony site, so of course it is going to say that ScreenBlast is best.
It's illegal for any company to lie in their advertising about a product. Theirs or others. smile So the details on there are true.

Adam.
Posted: Thu, 27th May 2004, 5:38pm

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adamlightandmagic wrote:


That chart is on the Sony site, so of course it is going to say that ScreenBlast is best.
It's illegal for any company to lie in their advertising about a product. Theirs or others. smile So the details on there are true.
But they won't talk about extra features on the other program.

And I do have a DVD burner.
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Ryan wrote:

But they won't talk about extra features on the other program.
I don't remember seeing a chart on Pinnacle's site that told about all those "extra features" that it had over another product. Maybe its because it doesn't.

And also put everything else aside, I own both products, take it from me Screenblast is a lot better. And without counting all the extra features that it has over Pinnacle, Screenblast would still be better because it is STABLE.

But whatever its your money, you decide. Remember though that I'm on your side. The only reason I took all this time to tell you about all the problems that I had with Pinnacle is so you don't get frustrated and fed up with it later. I'm not trying to start a war of preferences or anything, I'm just trying to help you out.

--Peace--
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Exactly. We've told him all he needs to know and if he ignores that advice, it'll be down to him. I don't know why he even started this thread, it's obvious he doesn't care about the program's shortcomings or the better software out there. In his mind, he's already bought it. ... confused

Adam.
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adamlightandmagic,
I can't wait to get my hands on the Vegas bundle but I'am a little apprehensive about DVDa2. It looks considerably more complicated than what I'am used to...any tips or suggestions?

Thanks
Posted: Thu, 27th May 2004, 8:17pm

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Not sure. Have you used DVDA1? It's very similar, but quite a lot more effective than the first version. It's very easy to just drag and drop any kind of video, pictures or audio projects. For the first use, try the wizards for your projects. Then when you're more confident about how it all works, drop the wizards and go solo! Any other probs, just check the manual. You'll probably pick things up after a few goes.
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adamlightandmagic wrote:

Exactly. We've told him all he needs to know and if he ignores that advice, it'll be down to him. I don't know why he even started this thread, it's obvious he doesn't care about the program's shortcomings or the better software out there. In his mind, he's already bought it. ... confused

Adam.
Listen, just because I don't like ScreenBlast and you do doesn't mean I'm not open to suggestions. If anyone else knows of any good programs in my price range ($100) I will check them out, but my opinion is not just like everyone else's. ScreenBlast does about what Roxio does, just more, and I want something a bit newer to me.
Posted: Fri, 28th May 2004, 8:05pm

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Your money. You want to spend it on a bad, unstable program, go ahead. But don't come crying when you lose the project you've been working on for 6 months.
Posted: Fri, 28th May 2004, 8:19pm

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Mellifluous

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Let the guy buy what he wants

Though I recommend http://www.puremotion.com/editstudio/index.htm

A lot cheaper than what you're looking to spend. Not trying to pressure you though.

That's good for the money. I used to use it a lot until I just upgraded to Premiere

Edit: ebay's worth checking out, just found this Premiere kinda cheap
Posted: Sat, 29th May 2004, 11:16am

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adamlightandmagic

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We've told him to go ahead with it if he wants. We've given our opinions. However, when it goes wrong it's gonna be a crappy feeling. We don't want to see that happen. Who wants to see that happen to anyone?? crazy

I'm sure we've all used or at least contemplated the Studio software before - but the common factor is that we moved on fairly quickly because of inadequancies or stability. I remember looking at the features on the first incarnation with my capture card and I thought it'd do me for ages. But I soon moved on within 3 months. And at least that one I got was bundled free! sad

I know I don't think it's worth getting it against the other piece of software we listed (Sony's). But to not use a program because you didn't like the interface is gonna hurt. I might not like the Premiere interface, but I know if it became the most powerful consumer editing software, I'd seriously consider using it, regardless.

It's not our choice. But we know which is better based on the facts. Not our preference. Get what you really think you want and that it will last you.

Adam.
Posted: Thu, 3rd Jun 2004, 12:55am

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Murray

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I have just bought "Lets Edit" from Canopus, after using Pinacle 8.

Althought I havent used it much, it seems a much better and stabler program than the buggy Pinnacle program. It also has many things extra for the same price - Chroma Key, picture in picture, mixing effects, many more transitions, heaps of sound channels, and comes with Ulead movie factory for buring DVD's.

The only (small) fault that I could find is that it doesnt import MP3 - but I just convert the FX and songs with a free program called Audacity.

Murray