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Posted: Thu, 20th May 2004, 4:39pm

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To make a decent film (very good quality picture and looks good when effects are on it) is this " Sony DCR-HC18E Digital Camcorder " any good? If not can people tell me name of good camcorders under 350 pounds (UK) please?

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Posted: Thu, 20th May 2004, 9:44pm

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Hmm...1/6 800k ccd..not so great..then again, most lower end sonys have better picture than low end canons and jvc's. I supposed if you are starting out with this, it would be pretty good.
Posted: Fri, 21st May 2004, 5:57am

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This is my first camcorder. So it is good for a starter had has good picture quality?
Posted: Fri, 21st May 2004, 12:49pm

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JVC camera


Buy this camera.
It has all you need - stereo audio, digital video IN & OUT, a screen etc. The fact that the viewfinder is b&w doesn't matter.

Great value digital camcorder featuring Dv-in/out, 2.5" LCD screen, 16x optical zoom (700x digital) analogue input, web cam function, digital stills, digital colour nightscope. Recommended in "What Camcorder" magazine as best buy.
That other camera has no dv IN. You need that to stream video back into the camera so you can then transfer movies from the camera to you video recorder.

You can connect a video recorder to your PC but you have to spend another £60 or so buying a video card that has analogue OUT.
Posted: Fri, 21st May 2004, 3:19pm

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firewire is inherently dv in/out - you mean some cams don't do this - i agree jvc - i've used other dv cams but my single chip jvc looks closer to 3 chippers than the others.
Posted: Fri, 21st May 2004, 3:37pm

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Yes, some cameras are only dv out (to PC).

This is because in Europe, devices that you can record to (e.g. rec. from PC to camera) are classed as video recorders. Devices classed as video recorders pay higher taxes.

Therefore, many companies disable the dv IN function of a camcorder so they cannot record from other devices.
Posted: Fri, 21st May 2004, 3:49pm

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So if i got that JVC camera:

1) How would I connect it to pc? usb?

2) Could I add a mic to it?

3) A new newb question but is it mini DV?
Posted: Fri, 21st May 2004, 4:09pm

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Just judging from the ad,

1) You would connect to your PC via firewire cable for video editing
2) It looks like it has A/V inputs, so you could use an external mic
3) It is mini DV format

I haven't personally used a JVC mini DV cam before, but I hear good things. Happy hunting!
Posted: Fri, 21st May 2004, 4:53pm

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Therefore you would need a firewire card for your PC. I remember chatting to you & finding a £10 one on www.dabs.com
Posted: Sat, 22nd May 2004, 6:23am

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sorry, that page is not working no more, do you mean this cam:

http://www.jessops.com/search/viewproduct.cfm?PRODUCT=JVCGRD23&BRAND=JVC&CONTINUE=false&FEATS=&FIRSTPRICE=&KEYWORD=&LEVEL=&MODELNUMBER=&NEWQUERY=True&NODE=171&ORD=ASC&ORDERBY=&QUANTITY=10&RECENT=0&REFINE=&SEARCH_FOR=&SEARCHNODE=0&SEARCHURL=dointellisearch.cfm&SECONDPRICE=&SHOWCASEID=&STARTROW=1&SUBS=&WORD_SEARCH=N&

tee GR-D23 MINI DV CAMCORDER
Posted: Sat, 22nd May 2004, 7:38am

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No, it was the JVC GR-D70, they put the price up overnight crazy odd, that

So, it's £400 at Jessops. This page has links where it's just over £300.

http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews5298.html
Posted: Sat, 22nd May 2004, 7:50pm

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I have heardsome bad things about the GDR-70. The picture is grainy i heard
Posted: Sat, 22nd May 2004, 8:01pm

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what about this one, the 2004 model:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20333&item=3817296450&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
Posted: Sat, 22nd May 2004, 8:19pm

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That's in low light situations.

All cameras perform badly in low light situations, so you should light a scene properly with extra lamps if you're shooting in the evening/unlit rooms.

It's like with some cameras, they have a function that allows you to shoot in the dark, using an infra-red invisible lamp. This results in the image looking greenish & frankly really crappy. Never get drawn into the positives of that kind of function as it never gets good results. Only lighting your scene well gets good results.

That camera is very good for a first one. It received acclaim in "What Camcorder" as a 'best buy'. I actually buy "What Camcorder" & I respect their opinions.

This cam doesn't actually have a mic/headphone socket either, but the price you're wanting to pay, this is pretty much the best offer you can get; you can't have everything in a £300 digital camcorder.

My current camera cost me £900 & it basically has everything...mic input, headphone, top picture quality, & that's what I paid for.

If you were able to go a bit higher you can get the Sony DCR-TRV22 for £445, which has everything you'd need, including mic socket.
Posted: Sat, 22nd May 2004, 8:21pm

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I would never buy electrical products off ebay
Posted: Sat, 22nd May 2004, 8:51pm

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I'm using a 1CCD JVC Camera and I was allways confused as to what the fuss about 3CCD was... Until I saw what other 1ccd minidv cameras were like.
Posted: Sat, 22nd May 2004, 8:57pm

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Heh, yeah, I actually use a 3ccd Panny but a friend has a JVC 1 chip & I'm really impressed.

EDIT: mastersmithson, just in case you don't know what we're talking about, more professional cams are 3ccd. A ccd is a chip that processes the video image. Ordinary consumer cams have 1 ccd. More pro ones have 3 ccd. This means 3 ccd's are processing the video image instead of 1. The video quality from a 3 ccd cam is therefore better quality.

But JVC cams are pretty good quality for 1 ccd cams, though they haven't really cornered the 3 ccd market.
Posted: Sat, 22nd May 2004, 9:05pm

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Yeah, so a 3CCD cam has one CCD for each color (red, blue, and green). The larger teh CCD, the more light it captures, therefore working better in low light situations. So a 1/3 CCD is twice as good as a 1/6 CCD because it captures 2 times more light. In daylight you don't see a difference though.
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2004, 6:22am

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I'd recommend going with a Sony or a Canon just because they are generally regarded as the two best camcorder makers (well at least by the professional video people I know). My starting camera (and it still is my camera) is the Sony DCR-TRV240. It has a really nice feature set, with a minimum of what i like to call "consumer features" like enhanced still pics and stuff. The picture quality isn't bad at all. however when it comes to camera's there really isn't a "middle" ground when it comes to quality. You either have 1CCD or 3CCD. The 3CCD picture quality is infinitely better as it has 3CCDs, and a 1CCD will not come close. However when I was beginning I probably would't have been able to tall you what a CCD was or the diff between a 1 ccd or 3ccd besides "one was a little better" I would recommend at this point would probably be the Sony DCRHC14E. I am still researching this camera, but from face value it looks like it'd be a nice starting camera as I was able to quickly find it for 369 lb's I'll keep looking , it's just aht is 2:21 AM right now and I didn't wanna leave a post like this that I could contrib something to without a post smile Well that's my 2cents, and there ll be more smile
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2004, 7:31am

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On amazon I can get the 2004 model for $300 which is about 218 pounds. Is it good for that model?
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2004, 7:38am

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You can't buy a US model for use in the UK. They have different framerates & TV signal.

I'll mention this again. Unless you just intend to keep movies as files on you PC, or unless you're going to buy a DVD burner, you will need a dv IN function.

Because you will be really fecked off if you wanted to put your movies on VHS.

Do you want to watch your edited movies on a video player?
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2004, 6:52pm

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I can get the 2004 model of amazon for 218 pounds, is that worth it?
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2004, 6:58pm

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Is that the $ version? If it's $ & sent from US then don't buy it.

US have a TV system called NTSC, & record at 29 frames per second.

UK have a TV system called PAL, & record at 25 frames per second.

2 different TV systems so cameras are not really compatible

Actual film, the stuff in rolls, records at 24 frames per second so UK cameras are better to buy anyway
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2004, 8:02pm

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yeah, I do want to put it on VHS. Can people say good MiniDV camcorders which they have please (under 300 pounds)
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2004, 8:07pm

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You're not going to get a UK miniDV camcorder with dv IN for less than £350, honestly. Someone support me on this smile
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2004, 8:24pm

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Yes, I'll support you on this... the whole EU, not just the UK has a wierd tax law where camcorder manufacturers can make their products cheaper by not allowing DV-IN

I refer you to here where we gave some advice on the "what camera" issue..

What standard is your filmmaking, what projects do you have planned, what is your final output..

I would recommend you pop into WHSmith, get a copy of "What Camcorder", "Camcorder User" or "Digital Video Made Easy" each one of these has a whole section devoted to camera reviews, usually listed in price brackets...

you are only going to get either "Dont know, never used that camera", "dont really care what camera you buy" or "Only Buy Sony, only buy Canon, only buy JVC" type answers here it seems...
Posted: Sun, 23rd May 2004, 10:06pm

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I understand what you say, but all I need is some name of camcorders which have DV in/out, Mini DV etc. 350 pounds is ok.
Posted: Mon, 24th May 2004, 2:56pm

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Once I get a list of a few with the things i need, DV In/Out, mic extention etc. I can go out and get the one I want from that list. the reason I want them is that I like to make full lengh films but the cam I am using is HI-8 and bad quality ( add me to msn and I will send you a small clip ) and I also want one for the course im going to be doing at 6th form.
Posted: Mon, 24th May 2004, 3:15pm

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Okay, well, I have just had a look through my copy of What Camcorder and have come up with the following that matches your criteria

SQL> select * from camcorders where DV-IN = "Y" and price < 350

0 rows returned

would you like to update your query smile
Posted: Mon, 24th May 2004, 3:17pm

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I gave 2 links to video cameras at about £350. Go back & look.
Posted: Mon, 24th May 2004, 3:29pm

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Of course, I was using High street prices smile (phew, covered up that one nicely)

The JVC GRD70 does seem about the only one though.

£309.95

or

£379.00
Posted: Mon, 24th May 2004, 3:32pm

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I wasn't addressing that to you, heh wink

That £309 is a good find, he should just get that one. It's fantastic for the price he wants to pay.
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 7:12am

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So I should JVC GRD70 then? Dv in/out and mic extention and mini dv? If so anyone know where to get this from for cheap?
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 8:08am

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look two posts above you... RGB Direct, 310.00 pounds...
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 8:10am

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READ posts properly please. All the info you need has been posted in previous posts, some right in front of you. tard

edit: damnation, you got there first! wink
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 9:33am

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2 more thnings to finnish of this post:

1)does it have a remote control
2)can we add a mic to it

JVC GRD70EK
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 9:57am

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Remote: yes
Mic input: doesn't seem to

But as I said before, the price you want to pay will not buy a camera with everything. This is infinitely better than my first camera
Posted: Wed, 26th May 2004, 10:09pm

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My friend has the JVC (We used it to film "A Soldier's Breath") and my other friend has the Sony TRV-19 wich is better in my mind.










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