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Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 5:15pm

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ok, i wanna buy a laptop for when i go to college. i talked to my very knowledgeable computer teacher and he says to go with a Powernotebook from Powernotebooks.com. and that i should go with a pentium Centrino because itll give me long battery life. i plan on using this laptop for, among the usual stuff, video editing and 3d animation. i know that the processor speed is important to the animation and i dont know if a Centrino processor at 1.7Ghz is high enough (compared to pentium 4 at approx 3Ghz).
im willing to spend about 1500 for it and im definetly considering a Powernotebook.
any comments or ideas?
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 5:20pm

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Mac G4 Powerbook

the only way to go baby... cool
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 5:24pm

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If compatility is not an issue, yes, go for a Powerbook

But if you do want a Windows system, just try & get as high graphics as possible as laptop ones are lower performing than their desktop counterparts.
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 5:31pm

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no way in he** am i getting a mac! first of all they suck (not able to work with anything not made by Apple pretty much. plus its so freaking expensive. all the brand name laptops are made by the same company and powernotebooks.com recognizes this and offers discounted prices.
i have to be using Windows as my operating system.
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 5:52pm

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Denise CookXClam wrote:

no way in he** am i getting a mac! first of all they suck (not able to work with anything not made by Apple pretty much. plus its so freaking expensive.
Everyone bit your tongue...

okay, if you don't want a mac then I suggest you go and get a Dell inspiron XPS notebook.

http://www1.ca.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspn_xps?c=ca&cs=CADHS1&l=en&s=dhs

its maybe a little expensive but it seems like it can get the job done.
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 5:57pm

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there's no way im spending 3k on that Dell. i think im going with the Celeron setup because of its very lieelt abttery use. that computer must weigh a lot too. so its prob very heavy and not the best battery life. PC's FOREVER!!!
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 6:05pm

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You're not going to get a very god laptop only wanting to spend around 2000$. Especially for Video Editing. I just bought an G4 Ibook and I love it. it was almost 3000$. Dont be so picky.
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 7:35pm

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elementcinema wrote:

Dont be so picky.
Umm unless someone has a map detailing the location of a money tree or has perfected the art of alchamy then I'd say that your budget is a pretty important thing to be picky about wink
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 7:41pm

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When I say picky, I meant about Apple and PC.
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 8:17pm

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no Apple. no no no. imy s welgo ou and spend 2k on candy instead.
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 8:38pm

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I'll preface my answer with the fact that I'm currently use nothing but PC's.
I've got six of 'em including two laptops and not including a laptop provided by a client.

IF you never plan on taking visual effects beyond a hobby level, stick with PC's. The world outside visual arts runs on PC's, period.

IF you hope to get into visual arts as a profession.... GET A MAC !!!!

I'm currently apprenticing in visual effects through a group in San Fransico and it works great for any cross platform programs, but the core applications taking control of the industry for video editing, compositing and DVD authoring are Final Cut Pro, Shake & DVD Studio Pro. They are all Mac and I'm all out of luck on getting any experience on these until I get a Mac.

Yes, there are lots of other programs out there that do the same work that run on PC's. That's fine and good if you're doing stuff for yourself, but if you're going to do this professionally, you'll need to be able to exchange files in project pipelines using common software.
It's pretty easy/cheap to get a PC down the road, but not so for a Mac. I really want to get into Mac now, but it'll probably take about a year or so for me to save up the money for a "good" one.

That said, if you decide to go with a PC laptop...
Check out Ebay where places like Dell often unload their refurbished computers. It's a great deal.
One of the laptops I mentioned is a refurbished Dell Latitude, purchased from DELL, (not some no-name front in NY). I got this last year, a 2.3Ghz P4, 256Meg, 15" screen, 40Gig HD, Dual monitor support .... $400.
Full 1year waranty from Dell, but the computer has worked perfectly and so I haven't needed it.

Hope this helps.
Good luck.
Have fun.
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 8:43pm

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Just out of curiosity, do you need to get a laptop? Can't you just by a regular computer, soup it up, and put it in your dorm room?
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 8:43pm

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I agree with padawan..
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 8:59pm

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Ok, discounting the Mac for the reasons you've given is rather stupid as they do make the best laptops and the best editing software you can get for under $10,000. As has been stated above a lot of the creative/film industry is run on Macs. As for 3D you can run Maya / Cinema 4D / Lightwave on the Mac. Thinking you can pretty much only run Apple software on them proves how little you know about Macs - therefore I suggest you don't comment on them in the way you did.

If you are going to go for a PC laptop then Dell make the best with great quality screens and high quality manufacture. I really wouldn't go for a small brand laptop (unless you have seen very good reviews on the machine and the service). You want something that is as reliable as possible but laptops will always have more problems than desktops so you want good support when things do go wrong - going with a quality company like Dell is the best bet for this.

You tend to get what you pay for with laptops - if you can only afford $1500 then I would go for a slower machine by a quality make rather than an all singing, all dancing machine by some random company that might not last 5 minutes.
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 9:13pm

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Agreed
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 9:40pm

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I DONT WANT AN APPLE. i havent used one regularly since elementary school. i think that they are way too overpriced and are oriented towards consumers much more than to professionals. Nearly every major business uses PC’s, and every adult knowledgeable about computers I know has a PC. My computer programming teacher owns his own IT company and he suggested I buy a Powerbook. He has one for himself and he claims they are very good for the money, especially compared to name brand companies. And is something wrong with Fxhome.com’s forums cause every 4th key I hit does not go into the screen! (so im typing this right now in Word(ANOTHER WINDOWS PROGRAM, WHICH APPLE DOES NOT HAVE AN EQUAL FOR))
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 9:44pm

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Heh, Word is on the Mac!!

Office is on the Mac!! Some PC people even say the Mac version is better.

The Mac also has many other applications to do the stuff you would do in Word if you don't want to you Microsoft programs for instance Apple's own Apple Works.

Silly mistake...

I take it from your comments on Macs not being for professionals that you have never seen the Power Mac G5 and Apple 23" HD flat screens and professional software like Shake used on LOTR and any major film which required hardcore compositing. Thats before you move on to FCP4 used to edit many feature films and just about every film trailer there is.

There are iBooks and iMac/eMacs for the consumers. PowerBooks and Power Macs are for the professional.

I really don't mind it when people just don't like Macs, but when they just make up random stuff which proves they have no idea about Macs it really annoys me. Same when Mac people slate PCs for random reasons. Macs are great for Photoshop and video work - better than PCs in general. But for an all round machine (games, large selection of cheap software as well as video/image work) the PC can not be beaten.

P.S. You must have something wrong your end, FXhome is just fine.
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 9:57pm

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I DONT WANT AN APPLE. i havent used one regularly since elementary school. i think that they are way too overpriced
this i would agree on, make the most of it tho, coz i'm about to disagree with the rest of your life...


and are oriented towards consumers much more than to professionals.
So you believe that a dual processor G5 with more power than any "consumer" could possibly ever need in their wildest dreams, is not for professionals?


Nearly every major business uses PC’s,
only in the unspecialised sectors of the company which only use computers as a digital equivalent of paperwork, like customer services etc, where familiarity is essential. Anywhere where power is required however, especially in graphics and media, only a tool would *not* choose a mac.


and every adult knowledgeable about computers I know has a PC.
so thats why schwar has a mac is it? or my boss even? or my other boss? All 3 being hardcore programmers.


My computer programming teacher owns his own IT company and he suggested I buy a Powerbook. He has one for himself and he claims they are very good for the money, especially compared to name brand companies.
cool, go for it.


And is something wrong with Fxhome.com’s forums
no

in Word(ANOTHER WINDOWS PROGRAM, WHICH APPLE DOES NOT HAVE AN EQUAL FOR))
introducing...office for macOS.
I rest my case.

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Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 10:00pm

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I have to admit, the macs in elementary school are no good. Maybe its becasue theyre the old kind, running os 9 and such. Os X is great. Powerbooks, ibooks, imacs, and g5s(g4s too) all run really smooth and have all necessary programs you need, like office. Eliminate ibooks if you want super powerful editing though id think.
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 10:12pm

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I dont care about mac's !!! no more talk about them. isnt office made by Microsoft (hence Microsoft Word not Apple Word)?? i know there is a mac version, but it wasnt originally made for mac's. I can only think of one professional wed designer I know who uses a mac for his work. And even his roommate who is more advanced than him agreed with me that he shouldn’t have bought the g5 or whatever it was. And nearly every more well-to-do school in the U.S. has almost completely switched to PC’s by now. Plus Adobe will not make any versions of Premier for Mac’s now (I don’t know if they plan on making any new versions though)
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 10:13pm

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Microsoft have a PC and Mac programming team - its not a conversion. You can even run the PC version if you want using PC emulation.

They don't make Premiere because Final Cut Express stole its market, and Final Cut Pro is the king.
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 10:18pm

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I can only think of one professional wed designer I know who uses a mac for his work.
how odd. I work at a web development firm. We have 2 designers, both use macs. The guy that has just designed our new company logo in fact (the guy who did the Firefox and Thunderbird logos for Mozilla) uses a mac. All our out-sourced designers use macs.

In fact i can only think of one designer who uses a pc, who is known to our company.

I'm a designer too, but i'm the exception to the rule: i use a PC because i like to own at games razz
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 10:23pm

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Xcession wrote:


In fact i can only think of one designer who uses a pc, who is known to our company.
Well, my school just wiped out all Macs and replaced them with Dells. For those who have problems with compatibilty, we have mac emulators.

Lol, but now, they are getting rid of all support for Apple Quicktime which I think is the dumbest move ever.


Anyways, take my advice, buy a desktop rather than laptop. I'm sure you can fit one in a dorm room. My sister is going to take one to college next year and her room is just as small as it gets.
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 10:27pm

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Denise CookXClam wrote:

And is something wrong with Fxhome.com’s forums cause every 4th key I hit does not go into the screen!
Lol, are you using Windows or a Mac? razz
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 10:29pm

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Yeah its a shame that. Schools will predictably choose pc over mac because macs are expensive and no one seems to understand how to administer a network of them, (despite just being unix).
Since macs are largely powerful and specialised in certain fields, theres also little use for them in a school environment where the budget has to be spent carefully on things which are usable by everyone for everything. Macs simple aren't usable by everyone, or for everything.

Pity.

Some schools have dedicated media depts, with editing suites and stuff. Mine did, and it had macs.
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 10:41pm

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tis friggn expensive
Posted: Tue, 25th May 2004, 10:58pm

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Well I've just finished my final year University project with my team, and the majority of the project ended up being constructed on my friend's Mac.

Cinema 4D, Final Cut HD, Shake etc all very impressive programmes. Even Keynote, the equivilant of MS Powerpoint just craps all over the PC ones.

I never really saw any point in having a Mac until I'd seen first hand just how powerful they are to graphic design/video people. I'm actually going abroad for winter and can't take my PC with me, I'm going to need a laptop and I'm sold on getting a Powerbook.

I'm just trying to work out how I am going to pay for one and get it on the educational liscence.
Posted: Wed, 26th May 2004, 2:09am

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I knew this would happen, why does this always happen?!

MAC VS PC..christ
Posted: Wed, 26th May 2004, 9:34am

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It hasn't hapenned, until just now. It seemed we were reasonably concicely discussing the merits of both platforms.

You have just made it black and white. Well done.
Posted: Wed, 26th May 2004, 12:06pm

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It's such a shame people can't bite their lip when it comes to either having a PC or Mac. And I don't condone anyone trying to force knowledge down my neck if I was happy with one type of machine over another. I understand her stance on that. I've used Macs and PCs - I still stick with PCs. I could care less what Macs can do better than PCs because I already get the results I need from my current preference. It could change, but right now, I'm very happy.

Shame on you all for that barrage of defending Macs. Did it really matter that her ideas, right or wrong, needed trashing? If she doesn't like Macs, don't try and persuade her to get one. It's like the religious debate of a little while back - you can't force your beliefs onto someone else. It was pretty obvious from her second post that she didn't want a Mac.

Come on guys, let's not fight about useless things like this!

Peace,
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Posted: Wed, 26th May 2004, 12:21pm

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Is there going to be a Linux version of ALAMDV 3 when its out ?
wink
Posted: Wed, 26th May 2004, 12:25pm

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No one was truing to persuade anybody..We suggested to get a Mac and she refused..but they was she refused was a little unecessary. And I dont think Ive made this thing black and white. It was quite noticable once Denise started bashing Macs. I was trying to prevent this from the beginning. it gets annoying after awhile when debates like this happen often.
Posted: Wed, 26th May 2004, 12:56pm

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If it was just "I don't like Macs I'm only looking for a PC" that would be fine. The problem is the points that were made about Macs were totally wrong - any for those who have yet to try a Mac they were misleading.

I have no problem with PCs or Macs - both are great platforms. Just wanted to get the facts straight.
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*hangs head in shame*

I'm soooorrrrrry.

I'm a PC user myself, i've never owned a mac, nor - i suspect - will i ever.

My 'defense' of the mac therefore, was simply because of a personal dislike for people using totally ludicrous 'information' as an arguementative tool. The discussion could have been about starwars/startrek, abortion/life, bush/blair; but if the same amount of blatant ignorance was displayed, i'd still have stepped in.

I feel its my duty to inform people of the truth, before they spread their pseudo-facts to more gullible victims.
Posted: Wed, 26th May 2004, 1:23pm

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this discussion over which is better is over.

Now If people would like to help up Denise by suggesting a laptop for purchase then please do so. Im sure a link would help her out alot aswell.

Now as for suggestions go for myself, I will stick with the MAC:

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/72002/wo/bX2QRzFJEQvt2Lzj0vB1zlFpskc/0.0.7.1.0.5.21.1.1.1.1.0.0.1.0

cool :&rt; razz

EDIT: for all you absent minded people out there: The suggestion for the mac is a joke. jeez. Go Dell

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Posted: Wed, 26th May 2004, 5:38pm

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Personally, I'd look at Ebay for good sellers. It's true that there are great deals. I got a cheap 550MHz PC laptop for £99! I wasn't looking for an up-to-date killer machine, btw, just something that would be adequate for some old games, word processing, music recordings (CubaseSX and soft synths) and also minor video editing. And I couldn't be happier. smile

My brother has been looking at the centrino laptops and they're very good spec at the moment. The centrinos are interesting because say 1.4Ghz is actually giving a 2.4Ghz performance! I'm not joking. I didn't believe it at first. But after some reading, it seems true. A quick search for the info will bring something up.


Oh, nice one Element. After all the arguing you still try and pedal an Apple to her. It's more than obvious that all mac suggestions will be discarded. What a waste of time...

Adam.
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lol it was called a joke...I figured it wouldve been quite obvious. razz
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£99 for a laptop? Cool.

Might get me one and that price smile
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eMachines makes a 17" Widescreen, Athlon 64 3000+ Laptop for $1,100 to $1,500 (depending on configuration.) I'd go for that.

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BTW: If you can go a little bit higher than that $1500 you mentioned...

Check this out:
Sony Vaio GRT270P8 Pentium 4 Processor 2.8GHz
256MB / 40GB / CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo Drive / 16.1" UXGA+ / XP Pro Notebook PC

Even includes a built-in firewire port, memory stick reader and RCA video output!

Pretty cool stuff.
Have fun.
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i not too sure on the accuracy of this. but i saw a HP commercial regarding Pixar Studios (i think it was, whatever the company that makes the movie shrek) and they advertise them using HP equipment (PC's) for their animations.
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HP supplied an offsite datacenter used for rendering.

"The data center that resulted consisted of 500 HP servers (1,000 processors) connected to DreamWorks’ studio 20 miles away in Redwood City, Calif., via a secure fiber optic link. "
Full HP article here.

[edit] There's a behind the scenes article on the Shrek2 site that also mentions some 300 workstations being supplied by HP, in addition to the data center, so it DOES sound like the work was largely done on PC's. Cool stuff. Thanks Denise. [/edit]

Hopefully an upcoming issue of Cinefex will have an article on Shrek2. smile

Have fun.

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Posted: Mon, 31st May 2004, 7:00pm

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If you have decided that you will go for a PC and not a Mac, I suggest you save up another 300 and buy the Sony Vaio that Padawan gave a link to.
It's a great laptop, really.
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I personally don't like Sony VAIOs. I'd stick with the Dell.
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Umm... errr Okay... Anywho.. Denise I think maybe this is something that you are looking for something like this:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=882849&Sku=H24-R3160%20B&CatId=1345

I don't know if you said you wanted intel but I know a lot of my other comrade in arms (computer geeks) have been buying these A64 Laptops and Loving em. AND THEY are 64Bit...and besides AMD > Intel (stfu IceMan! smile)
They have loads more BW than the normal procs, and once more software becomes available for tehm you'll already be there.

The only downside to this particular model is that it doesn't come with 1394 it'd need a PC Card... lemme do some more searching

ooh my boss bought a Custom Built P4 Laptop from www.MGEpconline.com almost a year ago and he LOVES it. (If you search the forums for Muffin Man's computer post you can see my attitude toward this company [fucking love em smile])
http://www.mgepconline.com/product_details_configurator.asp?PRID=3046
might wanna check them out, though they tend to be a bit pricey. Normally I send people to Tiger, just because MGE mainly deals with desktop systems.

..and flame me if you must but:

AVOID DELL LAPTOPS AT ALLLLL COSTS!
OMFG THEY ARE THE WORST CREATIONS KNOWN TO MAN! The success rate of their refurbs are HIGHER than that of their brand new items. They have no quality control center any more. THE SUPPORT IS HORRIBLE! I have one dell laptop at work that dell refuses to replace and recognize as a lemon. We are blacklisted on the support lines because we have their 3 yr onsite warranty. Every time we call support it's usually a 4hr to MultiDay event. EVERY part on that laptop has been replaced and it still doesn't work properly. I had another Dell laptop that had a faulty version of Windows and they could not figure out the problem or accept what we told them to be the truth. .** Oh and as a side note ALL DELL Technicians use english as a 2nd Language and are located in India ** The so-called manager tried to tell me that it was normal not to have any Audio or Video Codecs on teh computer....(taht includes the Windows PCM Codec). They have horrible workmanship ther are at least 4 or 5 different model dell laptops that ALL have cracked plastic where they open. NONE of them have been dropped or had anything out of the ordinary happened to them, used by people who are almost afraid of turning them on. OH AND ANOTHER SUPPORT grievance...expect to be on hold for at LEAST 20 mins from the time you have been redirected to the tech support wait line (hopefully) ...OH AND THEY WILL HANG UP on you! My average wait time is about 45mins. DO NOT GET A DELL! PLEASE I BEG YOU WITH ALL MY ENERGY PLEASE DO NOT GET A DELL! (and I am a person who could careless what people do with their money).