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Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban

Posted: Sat, 5th Jun 2004, 11:10pm

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Has anyone seen this movie yet? I saw it today and I must say it was very good. They changed directors for the better. This one, in my opinion, was 10 times better than the first two movies. If you have not seen it, and are thinking "ooohhhhhh harry potter. yeah, thats for kiddies..." its not. Its very well done.
Posted: Sat, 5th Jun 2004, 11:13pm

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Just got back from it like 20min ago. Very well done. It was really quite a good movie.









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Posted: Sat, 5th Jun 2004, 11:25pm

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I saw it yesterday, and thoroughly enjoyed it. It's in a completely different league to the first one, which was a shoddy and unfinished movie with appalling plotting (although the plotting was presumably the fault of the book). I didn't see the second film.

The third, however, was very nicely done. Still had very dodgy plotting, but the director covered it up rather expertly. The best cinematography I've seen this year probably - the whole film looked beautiful. Completely different calibre of special effects, too. Aside from the dubious plotting and the odd spot of bad acting from the kids, it was jolly good.
Posted: Sat, 5th Jun 2004, 11:50pm

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Yet to see it but I saw the previous ones without really wanting to; this time, I can't wait, because the director of PoA is an excellent Mexican director whose pevious film, Y Tu Mama Tambien, was superb. Will see it tomorrow smile
Posted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004, 12:44am

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glad to know you all liked it. I thought it also did the book justice (although leaving out some key things... oh well, its a movie!)
Posted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004, 3:49am

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I just saw it, liked it but the rat looked fake like when they were holding it. Well no one else noticed the rat I just though Id point that out smile. Good movie although it did change some things from the book.
Posted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004, 9:11am

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i saw it opening day, and I absolutley loved it, but it seemed they left out really important stuff from the book, like stuff that is really really important to the plot
Posted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004, 12:14pm

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I saw it on Monday and i must say i enjoyed it a lot. I had nver read the book so everything that people are going on about something was missing that was important to the plot...i didnt see it myself i thought it ran out very smoothly. But then again i never reead the book so if i did maybe i might realise something different. I thought that all the performances were very good. Of course would you expect anything different from Gary Oldman? but David Thewlis was superb and Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, Rupert Grint play their roles fantastically now in my opinion, i think it would be horrible if they were replaced for the later films. The pacing of the film was very fast and worked well the effects were improved by a long run. Buckbeak looked great, so did the Dementors and the little battle between Sirius and Lupin towards the end also looked very nice and was well done. All in all i thought it was a very fun enjoyable film that most people will like. Hell it must be doing something right it is now confirmed that The Prisoner of Azkaban, pulled down the single-highest gross ever on an opening.
Posted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004, 12:33pm

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The actor who played dumbledorf in the first 2 was better.

Next comment is a SPOILER so don't read it unless you've seen it.














Also I liked the way the time travel worked where they didn't actually change anything from the first time they experienced it. Similar to in 12 monkeys.
Posted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004, 1:03pm

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SPOILER so don't read it unless you've seen it.






I liked it much more than the first 2 but it still had some silly plot holes (like why didn't the the Professor Lupin tell Harry that Sirius Black was not trying to kill him much earlier on). Overall it was a much better film although most of the child actors were still quite poor - although Radcliffe was much improved. The CG was also mighty impressive for most of the film - liked the Hippogriff.
Posted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004, 1:59pm

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schwar wrote:

(like why didn't the the Professor Lupin tell Harry that Sirius Black was not trying to kill him much earlier on).
Because he didn't know! Lupin believed that Black had killed Pettigrew and sold out the Potters, just like everyone else did. It's not until he saw Peter on the map that he worked out the truth. If you pay attention, when Lupin comes to the shack he says he saw Peter Pettigrew on the map and realised the real reason Sirius had come back.

It's all explained much better in the books.

Despite having better visuals and FX, etc, I was actually disappointed with this installment. Probably because I've read all the books and know how much they've chopped out (and we're talking a lot!). There are some large chucks either missing or completely changed that are very significant to the ongoing story in the next 2 books.

Sorry, this just didn't FEEL like a Harry Potter film. I prefer the other 2.

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Posted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004, 2:10pm

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I think schwar meant in the house, but what ever. wink

EDIT: Wait, maybe he didn't.
Posted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004, 3:25pm

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rcamuk wrote:



Despite having better visuals and FX, etc, I was actually disappointed with this installment. Probably because I've read all the books and know how much they've chopped out (and we're talking a lot!). There are some large chucks either missing or completely changed that are very significant to the ongoing story in the next 2 books.

Sorry, this just didn't FEEL like a Harry Potter film. I prefer the other 2.

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This is a movie. If they left in everything, it would be 5 hours! Movies are different than books. Look at LOTR. They cut out a ton of stuff, but it still was really good. Somethings don't translate well from page to screen...
Posted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004, 3:46pm

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Because he didn't know! Lupin believed that Black had killed Pettigrew and sold out the Potters, just like everyone else did. It's not until he saw Peter on the map that he worked out the truth. If you pay attention, when Lupin comes to the shack he says he saw Peter Pettigrew on the map and realised the real reason Sirius had come back.
They seemed very friendly if this was the case - didn't they also make out the Lupin had helped Sirius get in to Hogwarts?

Here is another thing then if that one isn't right - if Sirius liked Harry then why for the first 3/4 of the film did he always appear as a snarling scary dog? He could have appeared as a friendly dog at the very least, or even in human form and tried to talk to Harry about what was going on...
Posted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004, 3:57pm

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schwar wrote:



They seemed very friendly if this was the case - didn't they also make out the Lupin had helped Sirius get in to Hogwarts?

Here is another thing then if that one isn't right - if Sirius liked Harry then why for the first 3/4 of the film did he always appear as a snarling scary dog? He could have appeared as a friendly dog at the very least, or even in human form and tried to talk to Harry about what was going on...
Ask J.K. Rowling. That would not have made a good story. The sense that sirisus is always after Harry is exciting. It also gives us a chance to see how angry Harry gets. EG - He wants to KILL Sirius.

If you still dont like this, then it is not the filmmaker's fault, that was deliberate in the book.
Posted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004, 4:16pm

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Plot device
Posted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004, 5:59pm

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for all the people who are complaining about plot holes, they can all be explained with one word: magic!
Posted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004, 7:04pm

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Or two words - 'lazy writing'. smile

Don't get me wrong, I thought the third film did a great job, and Cuaron covered up what would seem to be apparent plot problems with the books far more cleverly than Columbus ever did.

I watched HP2 today and, while it was entertaining and better than the first, it certainly wasn't in the same league as the third film.

I plan on reading the books as soon as possible, mainly to see whether the dodgy plots and odd narrative structures are due to a bad adaptation by Kloves, or whether they're inherent in the books themselves.
Posted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004, 7:20pm

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I think that there are some major plot holes in the first two books that transferred over to the film, but the third book, which is my favorite of the five, was probably the best structured and explained things the best, seemed to get lost in adaptation, stuff that I was really disapointed not to see in the film was missing, and I was worried that for anyone who didn't read the book a ton of stuff would not make sense, but from what I have gathered people who haven't read the book thought it was great.
Posted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004, 7:38pm

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It's a real shame that they haven't taken the same kind of approach that New Line took with LotR - ie, a theatrical version for 'normal' people, and an extended version on DVD for the fans of the book, who want to see as much material as possible, without regard for running time. For the fourth book in particular I would have that that would make sense.
Posted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004, 8:05pm

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Waser wrote:

I think that there are some major plot holes in the first two books that transferred over to the film, but the third book, which is my favorite of the five, was probably the best structured and explained things the best, seemed to get lost in adaptation, stuff that I was really disapointed not to see in the film was missing, and I was worried that for anyone who didn't read the book a ton of stuff would not make sense, but from what I have gathered people who haven't read the book thought it was great.
All true, but you have to remember that JK originally wrote the books for school kids. The idea was to release one book each year so that the kids grew with the characters (and so did their reading abilities). Therefore the earlier books are at a simpler level.
It all went to pot when the publishers started holding up the book releases to tie in with the films and promotional jobs (like the big fuss at platform 9 3/4) and JK realised how much cash she could make by dragging it all out.

Don't be fooled by the media and press releases, all the books have been written for ages. Their just waiting for the most profitable times to release the next ones.
Posted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004, 8:16pm

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rcamuk wrote:

Don't be fooled by the media and press releases, all the books have been written for ages. Their just waiting for the most profitable times to release the next ones.
I'd like to see your source for this claim.
Posted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004, 8:31pm

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On watching it again today with my girlfriend all the "plot devices" seem even more annoying. When Harry first meets Sirius in human form in the shack the way they don't tell him for ages that they want to kill the rat, not him, just seems silly. The random glowing stag, what on earth was that about, maybe someone who has read the books will tell me. It still seems just mad that the dog snarls at him all the time.

Still, I didn't dislike the film - was much better than the first 2.
Posted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004, 9:11pm

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I've been reliably informed that Harry's dad could turn into an animal as well - a stag. Hence the whole thing with the stag.

Although that doesn't explain why Harry actually sees a stag...sure, he's half out of his mind at that point, but still rather random.
Posted: Sun, 6th Jun 2004, 11:16pm

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Better than the first two films, but still, surely they should get some kids who can act for the fourth.

The fourth and fifth book shouldn't be ruined when turned into a film. They are very good books smile
Posted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004, 12:00am

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er-no wrote:

Better than the first two films, but still, surely they should get some kids who can act for the fourth.

The fourth and fifth book shouldn't be ruined when turned into a film. They are very good books smile
They are already filming 4, and the same kids are in it.

The third book is my favorite so far... I don't know how they will make 4 and 5 into movies that are not 8 hours long!!!
Posted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004, 12:59am

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i liked it although i didnt like how they left out some parts even though if they did it like the book it would have been way to long.
Posted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004, 2:02am

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mthoward wrote:

i liked it although i didnt like how they left out some parts even though if they did it like the book it would have been way to long.
really? because the stuff they left out could have been explained in about ten minutes, well at least the really important nugget I'm thinking about
Posted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004, 4:43am

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Good cinematography? yes.

Good acting? mostly.

Good direction? positively.

Jailbait? check.
Posted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004, 9:06am

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I'm not a huge Potter fan so I don't know the lore, but if his dad has a Stag as an inner animal it seems likely that harry would have one too, and the magic he casts to get rid of the dementors is based on a memory of his dad, so he is seeing the memory of his dad in the form of a Stag tard


It is indeed a stunning looking film, I hope the DVD has some good making ofs, as some of the transitional shots, such as the one going through the clock were excellent.
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schwar wrote:

The random glowing stag, what on earth was that about
Messrs Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs. Another point not explained in the film. Lupin, Pettigrew, Black and Potter. They wrote the Map!!!

Lupin was a werewolf even when at school. His best friends, Sirius, James and Peter all became illegal Animages so they could look after him when he changed. They used the Shrieking Shack to hide Lupin during the full moon and all the ghost stories were spread to keep people away. Lupin (Moony) was a werewolf, Peter (Wormtail) was a rat (he was never very good at magic), Sirius (Padfoot) became a great big black dog and James (Prongs) became a stag. Harry's petronus looks like a stag because his father could turn into a stag and apparently Harry is very much like his father. None of this is explained in the film.

Another thing not explained is why the whomping willow is planted over the passageway to the shack. You'll just have to read the books. biggrin
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^^^ exactly, that is all stuff I thought was really important that could have been explained in a couple minutes, and would have made for some good filmagery. You know it's a word....
Posted: Mon, 7th Jun 2004, 3:16pm

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Waser wrote:

filmagery. You know it's a word....
Whatever you say, hehe
Posted: Fri, 25th Jun 2004, 9:50pm

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I saw it... (10 minutes ago)

In my opinion, it has cinematography that competes with Lord Of The Rings. I also thought that the 3D elements of the film were stunning & realistic.

Great Film,
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I personally loved the movie, but I thought it was about an hour too short. The stuff they cut out from the book really should have been there, and the way they did it, it was like everything was happening like BAM BAM BAM, and there was no real building of events or anything, everything just kinda happened one thing after another. No slow points with explaining or anything.

And I gladly would have sat through another hour of it at least. Seeing how compressed this one was, I have doubts about the next one, since the fourth book is about twice as long as the third.

I still thought the film was fantastic, and loved every minute of it, but it was too short.
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Aculag wrote:

I personally loved the movie, but I thought it was about an hour too short. The stuff they cut out from the book really should have been there, and the way they did it, it was like everything was happening like BAM BAM BAM, and there was no real building of events or anything, everything just kinda happened one thing after another. No slow points with explaining or anything.

And I gladly would have sat through another hour of it at least. Seeing how compressed this one was, I have doubts about the next one, since the fourth book is about twice as long as the third.

I still thought the film was fantastic, and loved every minute of it, but it was too short.
Im actually agreeing with you on this one! This is really odd.
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Yeah, so totally odd that you agree with me! Don't you love it when such odd things as that happen?
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yeah, its kinda nice... well i did agree with you in that Republican/Democrat thing i started a while ago, but recently... Don't take offense or anything if i am always against you, I do that to a lot of people. I love your films anyway... razz
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I'm not offended by anything you say. Seriously. You just like to disagree with people. So what?
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Well guys, you may or may not be happy to know that the fourth and fifth books will each be cut in half and released on separate dates. (EG-Lord of the Rings or the 2nd & 3rd Matrix movies.) Altogether, I think they're slating the film at about 6 hours. (I'd watch it, but I think It'll be better cut in half.) smile
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atom wrote:

Well guys, you may or may not be happy to know that the fourth and fifth books will each be cut in half and released on separate dates. (EG-Lord of the Rings or the 2nd & 3rd Matrix movies.) Altogether, I think they're slating the film at about 6 hours. (I'd watch it, but I think It'll be better cut in half.) smile
I've heard rumours of 4 hours for the 4th book. You say they WILL be cut in half. What's your source?
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Time magazine, hp website, and j.k.r.'s site.
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Please show me a link to where they say this is the truth.
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Ya I saw the third movie the weekend after it came out. I thought it was a really good movie. Much improved over the first 2. But it was a major change from the old Hogwarts (in the first two movies) to the new Hogwarts. All of the locations looked completely different. Like Hagrid's hut is now down some valley when before it was just a field away from the old Hogwarts. The clock tower was also never showed in the first two movies. But ya the changes were good.

Oh and I agree with aculag on the fact that it goes too fast. I mean I've never read any of the books myself (so i don't know what parts they left out), but the plot just went by like lightning. There were no "in-between scenes so to speak.

Overall a great movie thats not just for the kidies biggrin .
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IMO, I didn't like the new locations, they were too rugged mountainy, terrainy etc. It's just not how I imagined it in the books, the first two nailed it, exactly as i imagined. Loved this movie though, can't wait for the dvd, bonus features baby! Off to bed now.
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IMO, I didn't like the new locations, they were too rugged mountainy, terrainy etc. It's just not how I imagined it in the books, the first two nailed it, exactly as i imagined. Loved this movie though, can't wait for the dvd, bonus features baby! Off to bed now.
Don't forget that the DVD is aimed at children.
The last two had 'crap' special features biggrin
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TAP2 wrote:



Don't forget that the DVD is aimed at children.
The last two had 'crap' special features biggrin
Oh yeah. In the first one, to see the Deleted scenes, you had to go through this puzzle each time you wanted to see them. Thats like 15 minutes or so EACH time.

This third movie was not particularly aimed at kids, so hopefully the DVD won't either.
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True, well I hope they do includes some decent features because the effects were fascinating.
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Aculag wrote:

Please show me a link to where they say this is the truth.
Why, you don't trust me? haha, nah. Well, actually I'm not quite sure about the J.K.R. site anymore. I was interested in it when I saw something about the length in Time magazine. (I get it every week, so I'm not sure which one. frown ) I googled it, and got a link to Jk.R's website (not sure if was offical though) that said it would be slated at 6 hours chopped in two on separate dates. Now, I watched an interview on my local news about the HP fims, and Columbus (The producer and director in 1 & 2) said that definately the 4th book would be at least 5 hours long, with an intermission in the middle. I don't know if that means there will be a physical intermission that's like 15-30 min. long, or if it means that it's gonna be chopped into two movies. Regardless, I know my facts, (I'm an HP fanatic) so need not worry about what I say.
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That's odd, because the director stated a month-or-so back that the book would definitely not be split.
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They took out alot from the book which kindof anoyed me, for example they took out the part were Ron wakes up and Serios Black is standing over his bed with the knife. I suppose they took it out because it might scare little kids but they also did some of the scenes out of order in which they happened in the book. But besides that I liked it.