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X3i (First Episode)

Posted: Fri, 11th Jun 2004, 11:28am

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This is the first episode of the TV series that im doing up at school called X3i. Based in a way off of marvels XMEN. This 1st episode sets up alot for the upcoming episodes. Shot on a cannon zr45 and edited with final cut pro 4. I hope you enjoy it.

p.s. There is 10 seconds of black for commercial breaks. (Its only for the studio to fill in with commercials.) So u all can fast forward or just wait out the 10secs ha.


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Posted: Fri, 11th Jun 2004, 12:41pm

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I liked that. Actually enjoyed watching it and it kept me wondering what was next to happen. Some acting wasn't great, some was. Overall a 4 from me.
Posted: Fri, 11th Jun 2004, 1:01pm

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Hmm... Well, I think overall, I enjoyed this. For some reason I'm guessing you've already shot more episodes?

The editing was good, I liked the flashes here and there, although some of the white flashes in the beginning went over the letterboxes as well. I noticed that in the Fallen Angel Music Video too...

The sound was a lot of up and down. Sometimes it was loud, sometimes too quiet. But it didn't distract me any, just had to adjust my volume here and there.

The cinematography was interesting. I take it the over-exposed look was completely intentional inside the bad guy's building. Some shots looked a little TOO over exposed though. But not really a bad thing.

It set up for further episodes nicely, of course. And I am interested to see what happens next.

The acting was below par to me. I mentioned this when you posted the first 5 minutes as well, but honestly, this wasn't much better. People who I thought did good with the acting were you, the blond girl (the psychic) and the gay fellow. Those were standouts for me. The rest of the people sounded completely unrehearsed, and as if they were just reading the lines for the first or second time. Which really hurt this in my opinion. The vast majority of the lines were delivered very matter-of-fact, and fairly blank sounding.

If you haven't already shot the next episodes, I would suggest that you really take time with your actors, and let them know not to just spit the lines out, but to take their time. I think one of the most effective ways of getting people to deliver their lines realistically is to get them in the mindset that they are not acting, but they are in fact the character. I'm assuming these people don't actually act like this in real life... Even if they do, the delivery sounds very stale, and they need some life, and some character. That's the point, after all, right? For actors to portray a character. And if there's no character being put through from their acting, they become stale, and boring.

I'm sorry to rant, but this definitely shows promise, and the only thing that really hurts it in my opinion is the acting. Get your actors off the page and onto the screen, and you've got something good here.

As it stands, 3/5.
Posted: Fri, 11th Jun 2004, 6:41pm

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i like this movie, i like the story, and the idea.
but some things you want to improve for futare refrance, use more contrast, use brighter lights (because you can always make it darked when editing, but its harder to make things bright). color corection, some of the effects where ok, i think that the electricity should have been wider or larger. try useing some wire affects for people being punched or electricuted. like in this video, when he get electricuted-
http://www.cgivisuals.com/PagePortBlockbuster.html
i really liked the powerballs the gay guy was training with.
i hope this will help you in the futare episodes.
peace out
Posted: Fri, 11th Jun 2004, 6:59pm

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I have been waiting for this. 5. I liked the acting actually, and enjoyed watching it. Can't wait to see more.
Posted: Fri, 11th Jun 2004, 8:47pm

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Thanks every1 for your comments

Aculag - Nope, i havent shot any more eps cuz we did this right b4 summer break, and now that were on it, we wont continue production untill fall. Yea, im aware that some of the peoples acting is bad. They are all friends, and i just needed help with the pilot. Its hard to get a cast of like 16+ from people that you dont know. Though I am going to work on their acting techniques. Yea, the exposure was intentional. The 1 part i hated tho, was when the guard was walking away saying "well if i gotta wear dress pants, so do u". The lights looked horrid, i wished i turned down the exposure on that shot. But, learn from the mistakes i suppose.

ssjaaron - As far as color correction, there is a blue tint through out the whole show. I dont know how u didnt notice that.
try useing some wire affects for people being punched or electricuted. like in this video, when he get electricute
use brighter lights
Haha, man, you give me huge budget and i will be glad to do some of these things for ya. You have to remember, this whole show is on a zero dollar budget right now. Maybe in the future we'll get a "little" bit of money, but i doubt it. So im tryin to do the best i can with as little as i have. Also, i didnt want to make the electricity to big because it would get pixily
Posted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004, 6:37am

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Not too bad guys, not too bad.

The feral guy was, by far, the coolest character so far. I hope to see more of his animalistic bad-assness.

the usual . . . acting could be better, lighting and sound could be better.
the electro-chick needed more lightning. the single lightning bolt look made it seem completely unfinished. the strobing light on those shots was good, but you should have filled in the lightning a little more.

also, I think you might be trying to dish up a little too much, a little too soon. it got a slight bit confusing after a while trying to keep mental note on which organization was which and who was affiliated with each group, and whatnot. trying to get all (most at any rate) of the group connections down in the first episode made the dialog seem very canned. didn't seem very natural, which I actually don't think was entirely based on poor acting. I think the writing could use a little help there.

also, it seemed wierd having these people say that they have 'codenames' I think it would have flowed better to say it as a 'callsign' or an 'alias' instead of 'codename'. just a thought.


overall quite good though. I did enjoy it, and look forward to episode 2!
keep up the good work.
Posted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004, 2:34pm

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CX3, I thought your story was excellent! I've been watching your growth as a writer/actor and have seen a great improvement in your skills. I appreciate the flavor added into the character. As for your actors, with a bit of coachinf they will all improve!

One observation (the dialogue needs simplifying, there is too much exposition). For me, I understand the perils of shooting the short format, with such little time to tell your story. Nonetheless, try telling more visually. Speaking lines more clearly, with strong delivery is just as important. A slow, steady delivery from your actors will give your dialogue better impact and improve the acting. This may mean chopping dialogue, but it's well worth it for such a great story!

Your camera work was solid, great pace and good angles, give your camera a high five for me! Oh one last thing, your music at a few points drowned dialogue, but overall the music selection and mixing of the audio was excellent! There was no abuse of the alam effects, kudos!

I'm hooked and paitently await the next episode! Peace!
Posted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004, 9:49pm

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Pretty cool stuff, Chris. I remember you showing me the first few minutes a while back. I liked the way the story set up the villains first then the heroes. The shots in the hall way had the white balance on the wrong setting. Next time if you don't get it right on set, just desaturate the yellow a bit in your editing program. I was pretty disapointed with the lighting effects for the girl. For one the sound effects were pretty weak (ask me and I'll send you some better ones) and the lighting itself didn't look very powerful. In the upcoming episodes give her a really extreme powerup then have the lighting blast out of her hand. The cat guy is just freaking perfect.

I'm not sure I really liked the way the heroes were first presented. I would've sortof liked a single point of view from a "newbie" character rather than from so many. The other thing that kindof bothered me was that it got too technical too fast. You and the Arson guy's acting really stood out to me. I think it would've been more interesting if the powers were switched the gay guy with super human strength, the blonde dude with psychic powers and barely any strength at all. Kindof ironic I think.

"Oh my god it speaks proper english too"
"Only when I feel like it jackass."

That was hysterical. Some of the dialogue was well written and funny. Arson's floating power orbs were really cool looking. The best peice of advice I could give you for the next one is keep the story alittle bit more straightforward. The best peice of technical advice I could give you is to follow the RULE OF THIRDS. Very, very important. The RULE OF THIRDS says that to make your shots look right the eyes of the main subject should be in the top 1/3 of the frame. Believe me it does wonders. It looks like you letterboxed your footage via cropping so you can do the RULE OF THIRDS in post too.

Good job, Chris and good luck on Fingerman 2, and 3.

4/5
Posted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004, 10:26pm

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Hey man, I really liked your 'mutant-style' flick. I felt that it conveyed a sense of excitement during the first few minutes, and set up how your characters acted. However, some of the actors (And yes, I understand that it's hard to find good actors) seemed to say their lines sloppily and unrehearsed. This fact, however, didn't take away from how much I liked this episode. I think it's cool that at least ONE of all us is trying to make a local TV series. And a spinoff of X-men? I couldn't ask for more! If I were you, I wouldn't give up on this. It seems to have great potential. The phrase "...all Pilot episodes are stinkers." doesn't fit here. Like everyone else, I think that the lightning could use some work, but I understand that you might've been going for that even-the-smallest-bit-of-lightning-from-me-can-knock-you-out feel. Overall, I'd give it a borderline 4. Great job for a pilot. Pretty good job as far as cinematography goes. Hope to see more in the Fall. Or sooner perhaps? hhahaha, na. Good job razz
Posted: Sat, 12th Jun 2004, 11:23pm

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Thank you all for your comments and input again. They are much appreciated by me and the writter.

Ice Man: Oh, dont you worry, you will see much more of the feral guy. We havent even broken the surface with him ha. Hes was actually going to go to the olympics for judo. Hes my roommate and is a straight baddass, haha.

EddieOue5: Thanks for the compliments on my acting and camera work. But the writing goes to my friend. The guy who plays "Arsyn" is the writter of the show. He knows his xmen left to right. He just got a SN on here and should be posting fairly soon.

Kyeju: I'll work on the lightning for Azura. I might even try adding some stuff soon to improve it. But like i said, i have no control over the story, i dont write that so i'll wait for the writter to come on here and speak.

Atom: Yeah man, im def not gonna quit on this. Its too much fun. And you will def see more come fall.

**Note to all. Seeing that this episode was also the pilot as well. I wasnt able to get all the equipment that i needed to shoot it with. It was sort of me proving my self to the station. This fall though, we will be shooting the show on a Panasonic DVX-100a, will be using lighting kits and also boom mics. This pilot was done with one bring spot light and a shotgun mic. So next year the quality look and sound of the show should improve greatly. All i have to do it work on some of the acting and we might have ourselves a winner here. Thanks again guys.
Posted: Sun, 13th Jun 2004, 3:47am

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Awesome movie, man. It's like Mutant X (if you've ever seen that) but better. And the feral dude? Pure Genious. I especially like when they were coming around the corner and the feral dude kind of slid into the wall, then got up, catlike. Now the biting the scientist was creepy, but kind of corny. Like the actors were taking themselves too seriously. Also, some of the dialogue seemed cheesy and unrehearsed. Nevertheless, you don't cease to amaze

Now to address some other things

-The lightning, as others have said, was weak, but I get what you mean, keeping it small. My only suggestion there is to add a thicker burst of light where the lightning begins (the chick's hand) and where it hits (the dude)

-The gay guy and the feral guy were by far the coolest, and the fx on the orbs that the gay guy practiced with were cool. Maybe use a softlight on the guy's face to make the orbs look like they're actually there. Or you could just add a lightbulb with an enhanced glow over the orbs on alam.

-The grading in some areas seemed too out of whack. That could be due to the lighting during production. But I see where you're coming from with having no budget.

-Wirework would be awesome. I still see how you don't have any money, but try to use connections or borrow them from somebody. That worked for me. My friend is in roofing, so he has plenty of wires and harnesses and that sort of thing. I also know that you have Chromy, so that would be good for wire removal, considering you got wires.

-Keep up the kung-fu type stuff with the feral guy. I don't know about all the four legged running (its good at some points but overused at others) He should be a little less catlike. I mean he's a guy, not a girl. And I think he had too many lines when he talked to enemies. He's a beast, not Einstein. (But his dialogue was still pimp.)

-The bullet hits on the strong dude with the two guns were weak. Either use an amalgam of plugins for them, or use squibs or something. (Not necessarily 'classic' squibs, maybe some 'fireworks-under-the-tshirt-ghetto-squibs') I dunno. Just some ideas.

These are just my criticisms. I still loved this film. 5/5 form me. I know I'm not a gold user, but I used mine and my bro's gold screen name to give you a five, so it should be alright.

Can't wait to see more,
Ben
Posted: Sun, 13th Jun 2004, 1:59pm

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I'm sorry, but I can't agree with these glowing reviews. I'm glad that you will get better equipment to make things look better. But to be honest there was plenty that could've been fixed for this pilot.

Like others have said, acting was shabby, Plenty of bad shots, too much exposition rubbish and of course, it's an x-men type show. The latter is not a bad thing, but it's hard to come up with something that's better than what's already out there. Even Mutant-X is on thin ice and that's a big budget show.

I don't see this getting any better. Unless there's something huge coming in the story or the writing/editing/shot direction, gets better. Only a three from me. It just sort of caved-in, for me. Shame cause better shot composition would've made a huge difference in itself.

Adam.
Posted: Sun, 13th Jun 2004, 4:38pm

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Ben3308: Thanks for the replys man. Yeah, ive seen mutant X, and well.. i hate it, thats why we are trying to make something better. I dont understand how their budget is good yet still seem to produce boring stuff ha. We were actually going to try using a tap light with a yellow filter over it to make it look like the orbs were by his face. Buuut... it wasnt that powerful of a light, and everything else that we had (i.e. lamp, flashlight) were too bright. So we said.. ehh.. next time. We are def looking into wire work for the future as well.

Adam: Im sorry that you couldnt find anything in the writting, editing, or camera work that you didnt like. I went to view some of your work in hopes to get ideas on what you meant.. but.. i couldnt see much..

I don't see this getting any better.
Kinda harsh but.. ya cant please everyone. Hopefully it does get better tho. And i guess the only thing i can tell you, seeing that you feel this way towards the production, is to well... not watch it.

-Chris
Posted: Sun, 13th Jun 2004, 6:02pm

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I thought that the feral guy's running on all four legs was used just about perfectly. they never said he was specifically cat like, or feline. and feral just means relating to, or suggestive of a wild beast. and I can think of plenty of beasts that run on all fours. and his form didn't remind of a gracefull feline form at all. I'd say let him run on all fours. he (the actor) can pull it off quite nicely.
as for his dialogue? even sabretooth in the x-men comics had coherent lines.

I have no qualms with the feral guy. I'd say keep him as is. but that's just me.
Posted: Sun, 13th Jun 2004, 7:38pm

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Yeah, no need to attack the feral character. Feline? Wonder why that came to mind, cause I can't understand that (Seriously). Just a shame that I picture Wolverine in that one.

I went to view some of your work in hopes to get ideas on what you meant.. but.. i couldnt see much..
Ouch! Dude, I've liked your past stuff. This is the first time I've ever had a problem with something you've been involved with, so how come you treat me like that?

Anyway, to explain what you may have found, the vid was my first attempt to do something with a little purpose. Of course, the reason that I haven't uploaded anything else for 3 years is because I have been learning and gaining knowledge. It's just a shame I'm being judged on a 3 year old video. The next thing I upload will be an astonishing improvement, trust me...

And when I said, "I don't see this getting any better," I meant that we have the X-men and the knockoff, Mutant-X. Which I hate too, btw. It shows that unless you have interesting ideas, actors and scripts - I see this being similar if not the same as what Mutant-X tried.

Peace,
Adam.
Posted: Sun, 13th Jun 2004, 8:01pm

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The only reason i responded that way was because of what u said "I dont see this getting any better".. im thinkin to myself, "DAMN, thats harsh as hell." The least you couldve said was "Hopefully it gets better". But how you put it was definately a low blow. Just give it some time, the story is very deep. I'll wait for the writter to get on here and he might explain. And im also looking forward to seeing your new stuff. I apologize for what i said and no hard feelings, but i didnt know how to take kindly to what you said, especially that being the 1st thing that i read when i got out of bed.

-Chris

p.s. Ice Man: Yeah, your right, ha, hes definately not sposed to be graceful.
Posted: Sun, 13th Jun 2004, 9:30pm

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Fair enough. But I didn't mean my little comment to be a criticism of your abilities. I was just referring to the material that you'll have to handle. I'm really not sure where it can be taken after the shows I mentioned. I didn't say that you couldn't possibly do anything with it. I was only commenting that I felt the material has pretty much peaked and there's not much that anyone can really do.

So, nothing about you personally. But hey, I'd love to see something make me shiver. I felt that with the last X-men film.

Adam.
Posted: Mon, 14th Jun 2004, 8:08am

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very ambitious project mate so, much respect for taking it on board.

on the positive aspects - i think with a little more money and time you can really fine tune your camerawork and the overall look of the project (have a little more attention to colour grading and you'll notice a vast difference).

you've got yourself a great set to use there - so take full advantage of it.

i understand perfectly about the whole "using friends as actors" problem - sometimes you can't do anything about it - but what i would suggest (apologies if this has already been mentioned but there was a few posts to sift through) was that in one scene in particular when two characters were talking on a bench - you could tell the one guy was reading from a piece of paper on his lap/bench - he kept looking down instead of facing the actor he was talking to. Seeing as the other actor was off camera you could and probably should have had the dialogue held by the Off Camera actor - that way you would have completely avoided the actor looking down to read so often.

good effort though mate - keep pushing your boundaries - you'll get there soon enough. i think its fair to say that with every project we each do that we all learn something new - its how you grow as a filmmaker - you learn from your mistakes and also the good thing about forums like these is that you can learn from others too.
Posted: Mon, 14th Jun 2004, 3:01pm

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Very promising debut, CX3. I thoroughly enjoyed watching it, and felt that it added up to something great than the sum of its parts. Sure, the acting was dodgy in places, lighting was a little off sometimes...but despite the problems, the end result was something that I thought worked very nicely.

Which is probably due to the script and general tone of the piece. This wasn't a spoof, nor is it one of those po-faced, overly serious fan films. This is an original story, told for real - which makes it immediately interesting in my book. Sure, it's hugely inspired by X-Men, but that's no bad thing if you ask me.

The setting is interesting enough to make me want to know more about the various factions. The characters intrigued me - everyone seems to love Savidge (Wolverine syndrome I suspect), and rightly so. Pulling off that feral, snarly appearance and running around on all fours isn't easy without looking like a complete fool...but he managed it.

The acting is curious. Dialogue delivery is noticeably poor by a few cast members - mainly because they speak waaaay too fast. However, what saved it was that they all looked the part. Other than dialogue delivery skills, I thought the whole film was really nicely cast. Everyone has the right appearance and attitude. That's not to say all the dialogue was delivered poorly, of course - Alex and Chris both did an excellent job, especially the amusing scene in the car just before the mission at the end.

As for the effects, I thought the electricity suffered mainly because it seemed to start out of nowhere. Adding a light effect to her hand to disguise the point where the electricity begins might work.

As for Arsyn's floaty balls of plasma, you could simulate them casting light on him using the Chromanator technique I describe in this tutorial:

http://fxhome.com/support/tutorials/view.php?i=25

I hope you do more episodes of this, I want to see where the story goes!
Posted: Mon, 14th Jun 2004, 3:35pm

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It's a shame the networks don't have as much imagination as you do! What a great idea. This makes Mutant X look even worse than it is. The FX are functional and not flashy and the acting is above par consdering the huge number of roles you have to fill. When you have that many speaking parts you've got to live with the cardboard cutouts. Watch a Sci-Fi movie and those guys are getting paid.
The camera work is fantastic and the editing is top notch. I'm editing my studios first film right now and after watching yours, I'll be going back to the drawing boards on some of the scenes.
What NLE do you use? I'd be curious to hear what sort of end-product work you do to get your work to look so consistent given the myriad of scene lighting and locations.
If you ever do any location work, my team is located south of you guys in Cincy and we'd love to help any way we can. Keep up the good work! Looking forward to the end of summer break.
Posted: Mon, 14th Jun 2004, 8:02pm

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Cool show idea man. Great concepts for the characters, good and evil. Nice music choices and locations so far too. Also good use of sarcastic humor between Riven and Arsyn. My only problems was that there needs to be a little more action and movement to grab the audience's attention (that whole first 10 minutes thang).

Just a few thoughts: First off, lose the profanity, other creative words or actions can display the same emotions...plus it makes you and even more creative writer as well. Second, the show was too wordy and not enough "go time". Not that the script is lame by any means, just too much talky talky...I kept waiting for something to happen and although I know that character developement is vital in every story, the action, efx, and pace need to kick it up a little, especially before the episode ends. If you leave your audience hanging with nothing they'll be thinking about watching something else instead of episode 2. I DON"T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN as you turn out great stuff. 30 minutes is a tough time to do everything you want in an episode, but I know you can do it because you've proven it in your past work.

Other small things I thought...Stuff like not worrying about that classic TV open yet, until episode 2...having just a title and credits up over establishing shots. When we get introduced to the characters then have that cool open. Also during certain scenes, it would have helped to have cut aways to people's pictures that were on documents passed and even a cut away to Riven's computer screen...would've made those things a little more believable.

Anyways I know this is a work in progress and I know the next episode will improve on the last and so on, and so on. I know budgets are tight and time is limited, but keep the cast and crew...and do well. I didn't feel that this was a mutant rip off show, but a good original concept. I wish you much success with this program! Thanks for sharing it with us here biggrin
Posted: Mon, 14th Jun 2004, 8:27pm

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...I notice everyone is quick to jump on the "no profanity" bandwagon. I'm all for family programming but sometimes used to effect, profanity is completely appropriate. The film postings allow you to assign ratings to your film, so I'm not buying the "my kids are watching these movies." Leave parenting to the parents.

It is unfortunate that in todays culture, the use of profanity is so prolific but the fact of the matter is you can't go ten feet without hearing some. It's reality...harsh, but true.

Creative words and actions in the place of profanity often place more or less emphasis on a moment than you had intended or is some cases, create total comedy out of what you had meant as a very serious scene. I completely disagree that it makes you a more creative writer. The first rule of writing is write about what you know. If what you know is spelled with four letters instead of twelve, then so be it. I agree that tossing an expletive in just to say "hey, this is an adult production so I need to swear" is laughable at best but those fours guys in the foxhole are not going to say "darn" when a 155mm shell goes off next to them.

These characters are real people in violent situations. The verbal equivalent of violence is profanity. It fits, even belongs. I've agonized for long periods over whether to use profanity in my features. First, I don't want to limit my audience by offending anyone and second, I feel we take too much for granted these days as it is, but, if we are to consider film as art, we cannot limit ourselves to culturally accepted norms or social standards that may or may not be our own. It boils down to your hand on that mouse, if you don't like something, don't click it.

I apologize for my extended soapbox but this has been brewing for a few weeks.

CX3, you keep making them your way and I'll keep watching them.
Posted: Tue, 15th Jun 2004, 12:40am

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Yeah, I loved the banter between the two guys in the car scene. And the Riven computer scene with those two, again.

Now, DarthZorn definitely hit it on the head for me. I agree with his observations on the less talking and the more things happening. The first ten minutes were pretty good and then it went it into talk mode for the rest of it! And that's how it ended, too. Maybe that's what got me writing what I did in the above posts.

I think a better way to end it would be in a, leave them wanting more, way:

a) One of the bad guys is spying on the good guys house and radios back, "We may have a problem" - It shows the conflict beginning and shakes things up as a bit of a cliffhanger. It also leaves the viewer thinking, "Oh, oh!"

Or even better... b) The good guys walk outside and out of the shadows walk the bad guys. They eye each other up and it cuts to black.

I also liked the idea DarthZorn gave about cutaways to pictures of the assailants on documents. There's the backstory explained in 3-5 seconds while the talking about who they were, lasted far longer.
And also a shot on Riven's computer screen to see what he's working on. These are the little shots that make the difference. Making these happen, like close-up shots and two-shots make the whole thing gel together.

See, now I'm starting to be more optimistic because I can see the fixable points that will make things better. So, I'm happy to see what you do with this one.

Adam.
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can i get ur guy's autograph lol
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Before I begin - I'd like to make clear that I had no part in this short film - I was busy doing my own shorts 2 hours away from Chris when he put this together so I am fully an outside party. That said:

Here's the thing about the talking...this is the first episode. The characters and the situation has to be set up with conversations and events that spark the rest of the series. If there were just random action scenes - like many films on this site - it would be throw away entertainment - not worth seeing twice. This is the first in a series of many to come - the staying power of characterization and exposition for the series is important. Think John Woo's Face/Off: If we didn't know that Castor Troy killed Sean Archer's son, and that he's got a bomb set in the LA Convention Center (or basically removing the conversations on the airstrip, Sean Archer's office, and in the plane before the action sequence that follows in the hangar) the effectiveness of the action would be totally ripped from the movie. It would be purely visual - which is cool to a certain point - but why should we care?

This is the same in Boondock Saints - The other day I watched the part like 40 times when the gunfight with El Duche in front of the house while the FBI Agent orchestrates to the music. I wanted to figure out why this scene affected me so much when, with all due respect - the gunfight itself is nothing special - straight on shooting with almost no dodging or moving around - if played in normal speed it'd last like 10 seconds. BUT - If we didn't care about the Saints and Rocco because of the conversations preceding the gunfight - it would just be gratuitous violence. But because we care about the characters and don't want them to be killed - it's more intense and viscerally effective.

I didn't mean to go on at length about this - but I feel those who just want to see simply action with little or no conversation/exposition are completely missing the whole point of the storytelling medium that is narrative film and video. Visuals only carry maximum effectiveness if they have story to go with it - to make us CARE about the characters involved - otherwise Day After Tomorrow would win an Oscar for best screenplay because it lacks the most story!!!

Payce

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I agree with aj, and I'd like to say to CX3 that maybe you should reconsider some of the names of upcoming characters. Having everybody with a cool name is all nice and everything, but I kind of got lost with who's who when everybody's name starts, contains, or ends with 'y' or 'en/in'. And the name X3i sounds cool too, but I think it sounds like a flatout copy of X-men. (My personal opinion)
Just a side note, nothing that big. smile

(And even though this is far past due, to reitterate on what ben3308 said, I felt that Khalif gave off a tiger-type presence more than anything else with the teeth, growl, and four-legged running. If your going for more of an ape or wolverine-type style try kind of galloping or limping.) razz
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I hope you weren't referring to my last post, ajjax44. Because I actually explained some little exposition ideas that DarthZorn hinted at. The point is about how you show your exposition. DZ's idea was sound.

Take the scene where the two guys at the beginning (after the action) sit at the table discussing what's going on. With DZ's idea about showing pictures of the assailants on profiles - and with keywords flashing up; experimental, dangerous, etc. DURING the scene where the scientist guy is on the ground, backing off - It does away with that unneeded chit chat the two guys have. Or at the very least cuts it loads and let's the conversation focus on the more important questions, e.g. "what can we do?,"

Or perhaps when these bad guys are mentioned during that conversation, we get those flashes of their profiles coming up, then. And again, cut a lot of what they said. I'm not asking for more action. I'm asking for more key story elements and better implementation of those elements.


In my script, I had a scene that I knew I hated, but couldn't figure out why. I realised it was information overkill, but how else could I get that important information across? I cut the scene into 3 parts. 3 existing scenes took on the material and I effectively had it explained in three different places and different times. And I also cut a lot of the information out. Also placing bits of that information in scenes building up to the original one I first had. It just paced things in a more natural way.

Hope this helps.

Adam.
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I wasn't referring to anyone's post in particular - I was just observing a trend on the site - I felt it applied to this film and to some of the posts already made on it - not specifically yours. I dig what ur saying with some of the suggestions for the conversation parts of X3i.

We're actually sitting here right now discussing the plotline of Fingerman 2 and 3 and we've been bringing up the different methods of exposing information in the two films without holding the audience's hand. Flashbacks and intercutting are good ways to say things without saying them literally.
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I know I've already said what I like and dislike, but i neglected to mention specific scenes, so here goes. The electric chick and the bionic/invincible white guy are too plain. They have attitude, but fake attitude. No matter how good their acting is (and it isn't that good) you need different actors for them. There is nothing visual about them that makes them stand out. For instance, some actors are tall, bald, thin, stocky, have spiky hair - whatever. They have some physical feature that helps you remember them. Two average, ordinary, see-them-on-the-street-everyday-walking-their-poodle-white-people aren't gonna cut it. Also, the script was well written, just not said by good actors in some places. For instance, most of the people in your show excluding you, the beast guy, the gay guy and 'rain'; OVERACT and say things TOO seriously to sound dramatic. e.g. when the two white guys are at the table and one's like 'you knew the vic; and the other one, the blond one, says his answer like he's being interviewed by Barbara Walters. He's using the wrong inflection. Same thing with the bald guy that looks kinda like John Malkovich. Only he's not as bad.

Now one person I'm growing to hate is the good white guy with the spiky hair who introduces Rain. He talks too fast and doesn't say his lines right. Get a new actor if you can.

Seriously, I want to slap him in the face, throw throw the scipt at his face and yell, "DON'T READ IT!!! ACT IT!!!! ACT IT, YOU FOOL!!!"

Ah well. Either way, the show's still pretty awesome.
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Yo assgoblin...we'll just have to agree to disagree on the "profanity clause" wink I just appreciate a great story with appropriate action/reaction without the use of the curse words. Not talking about "family programming" here. razz Even the actors, in this piece, make them sound forced and unbelievable...plus I feel without them the story would still be good and it wouldn't have deviated from any of the goings on.

To me cussin' s easy...and I agree that I hear it all the time in real life too, but this is fantasy, fiction, and an escape from reality. To me it's fresh when the creative "other words or actions" take place. Now I'm not boycotting this or any other film that's used profanity in it's lines, I've enjoyed many that have. I'm just saying that when I have left a screening of a rockin' film that's completely toned down the cussing or had no use for the words at all, it's an extra bonus in my book. wink

Much respect though to you, and it's cool to hear others views. It's a great forum and I'm glad to share it with all the creative souls here.
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True, Darth. It's nice to post to a forum where I wasn't being flamed for having a dissenting opinion.

Wow, you guys really like to dissect these films. I might be posting mine anonymously now.(chuckle, chuckle) The advice you guys give is priceless, though and I wouldn't trade it for anything.
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assgoblin wrote:

Wow, you guys really like to dissect these films
I think it depends on the film involved. A short test, or something done just for fun, won't get examined as closely.

But when lots of effort has clearly been put into the project (for better or for worse), or when the project is important, I feel it's equally important for everyone to really take the film apart (in a productive manner). If a filmmaker has really put effort into making something, and he's serious about it - then he should also be serious about listening to criticism and trying to improve. CX3 is clearly pinning a lot on this, and if it works it could really help his future career; as such, it's our responsibility to help him hone his skills as much as we can, to give him the very best shot. smile

X3i has tons of potential, and I'm sure CX3 will take on board all the comments here to really push the next episode further.
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Why is it X3i ?

Ive inspected the logo quite well and can only see X I I i ???

should I be reading Xiii (as in X3i) cos Im reading that as one X, two I and one i, now I know that in roman numerals an i and an I are the same thing..

smile

cant think of anything to say about the show that hasnt been said already

good work.
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Allllright, sooo much to respond on haha.

ghevans:
you could tell the one guy was reading from a piece of paper on his lap/bench - he kept looking down instead of facing the actor he was talking to.
-whats funny about that is that he actually wasnt reading from a script. Ha, he had his lines memorized but he didnt have good eye contact. When he saw what he did he was like "ah man.. it looks like im reading from a script..." But thanks for the other comments towards this. Ha, wait till i go and tell nate (thats the guy who was sittin on the bench).

Tarn: Im glad you enjoyed most of it. I know exactly what you mean when you said that the speaking is waaay to fast. I agree too. Im definatly going to have more rehearsals with the actors before we shoot next time. I'll also put into what u said on the effects as well before the next episode.

Assgoblin: Yea, mutant x is so much junk haha. I cant believe they have gone so many seasons into the show. Im using final cut pro 4 for editing. But yea man, about your location, i go to school in columbus but me and aj live in cincy. West Chester, to be exact. So we look into sumthin sometime. That'd be pretty cool.

DartZorn: Thanks for the comments. Im not gonna touch the profanity thing ha, ill wait for the writter to express his views. I have no control over that.

kungfukid: haha, sure

atom: There are def some different names coming up. I can give u an example if u want. And the feral guy is just feral in general, no specific dog, or cat, just beastlike in anyway.

ben3308:
e.g. when the two white guys are at the table and one's like 'you knew the vic; and the other one, the blond one, says his answer like he's being interviewed by Barbara Walters. He's using the wrong inflection. Same thing with the bald guy that looks kinda like John Malkovich. Only he's not as bad.

lol, the blonde one and the bald one are the same guy, he accidentally cut his hair.

Tarn again: And im appreciating all of the comments that im recieving from the board as well ha.

pboniface: Haha, the why is it X3i quesiton. The last i is incoporated with the roman numarals. Its supposed to be read Thirteen i. But X3i sounds cooler. 13 i Stands because there are 13 initiatives around the world that stop terrorist acts like these. So maybe in a couple yrs we might do an "X3i.. Miami! or X3i.. New York!"...... TOTAL JOKE haha, i would never do something like that.... unless there were alot of money involved.
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Yeah, that'd be great. If you could give me a rough summary of newer characters or storylines or something, that would be awesome. I know it sounds like alot, but thanks anyway. (If you can) razz Also, now that we all know whatg x3i means, perhaps we can all now have a kinder liking to the name. Nevertheless, it wouldn't hurt to think about changing the name or explaining it in the show. (Again, just an idea) biggrin
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I pmed atom the info sheet. I can post it on here if u want but it does include some spoilers. Or u can just PM me if u wanna see it.
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thanks man.
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Just found out some pretty sweet news. The channel that this show is on is moving to cable now.. sooo.. this show will be on cable now. Kinda scary but exciting. Now im really gonna hafta step things up
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Are you allowed to have foul language on this cable network?
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we might shoot the episode again if not, and if so then we'll just keep it. im finding more out by the day.
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Keep us posted!
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Oh definately
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Aculag wrote:

Are you allowed to have foul language on this cable network?
is there any cable network that doesn't these days? wink
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That's great that you got a deal with the network to air on cable. If you do re-shoot the first episode, try not to differ from what you already have. (It rocks) Just a note. Hope things go well, and keep us all posted!
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Hello, all. This is Alex, a.k.a. Arsyn, a.k.a. the writer, a.k.a. "The Gay Guy" lol Sorry it took me so long to post. I guess I'll just give a quick overview of what i think about the reviews as well as some info about my ideas for the show.

The Production- That's all up to Chris. I have no idea how to do any of this stuff, or how it works, or what the lingo means. I'm electronically and mechanically retarded.

The Acting- I've seen better, but I've seen worse. We had a lot of slots to fill and have even more to fill coming up so pray for us and hope that it improves along with the show. Also, I'm happy that my debut as Arsyn was well received. I've only acted on-stage (usually singing as well) so i was nervous. BUT I love my character and hope that i can do him justice. (or I'll just have to write myself out of the script lol ) I WILL say my lines slower in the future! And if you want me to be less gay, sorry, i CAN'T. (and i mean that literally)

The Script - I know a lot of the dialogue seems forced, but i did have a lot of information to provide. I haven't gone WAY into what causes "rifes" or their abilties, but I have it all theorized and figured out--just have to find someway to fit it all in. *Curse words...i use them. I think we all do, and although i 100% agree that as a work of fiction and fantasy they are not entirely necessary, it is my rigid believe that as a writer and an artist it is my duty to invoke a sense of reality. In reality people cuss. If some higher-up tells me to can the cussing, Then and only then will it be canned.

The Story to Come- I'm not gonna ruin that for anyone. If you have questions about what may happen in the series, ask Chris or myself. But I'm not guaranteeing an answer. Spoilers are no fun.


*should i end this rant of mine now and go to bed?? YES

Thanks Guys. ~Alex smile

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ALso, I don't mean to sound self-important. I worry most about what Arsyn does not because i play him, but because he could be very controversial. I mean, Hello, he's a gay super hero, and although it's intriguing and unique, i don't want people to be put off my him or for his gayness to overpower the character. A lot of the story and motivations for the other characters are set, so i have little to worry about. ~ALEX smile

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interesting.

re Riven's power increase : I'd suggest doing both. show the incident in a flashback style, but also have his power increase haunt him. as in, he's scared of his own power, he doesn't know entirely what he can do, how far he can go, or how well he can control it. . . I think that could be interesting

re Arsen's love interest : personally, I'd avoid it. but that's up to you.

re Arsen's power change : well. I'm not really going to venture any opinions on that until I see his power in action. and I don't mean just floating some plasma orbs, I mean blow the sh*t out of something with them. then we'll talk. wink
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Iceman,
Trust me. Eps.2-4 has a lot of sh*t getting blown up. IF i do the power switch with Arsyn, the actual power change won't come until the last ep. or VERY near. That way the name change won't be so confusing half-way through the season. And he can be reintroduced with the new name in the 2nd season. Make sense?
I'm still REALLY sketchy about the love interest thing. Maybe I'll get some more opinions on that before i make a final decision. I'm def. straying away from the idea tho.
Riven...I know exactly what happens to make him more powerrful and i think i have a good idea of how i want to introduce it into the story now. If there are any Riven fans, I think they'll like it. smile


Thanks for the opinion.
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Hey man, CX3 sent me the character list and some spoilers about upcoming episodes, so I already knew about the Arsyn thing. (teehee) Personally, I'm not so sure. I feel that your character already brings a good, strong presence, and taking your 'abilities' away would make you like the least cool, handicapped character. (Not from my view, but for those action-driven viewers) I'm afraid that though it would setup a more in-depth and complex (a.k.a. good) story, your character would get lost in the mix. Just my opinion. biggrin
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Links are back up... finally...
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Rating: -6

Well, there's way too much camera movement in most shots, it's okay to lock down your camera every once in a while. Also, you're going to have to get more than one camera and an A / V switcher one of these days to do the kind of work you're trying to do.

*During the introduction of the "evil" characters, it would have been good to give a hint of what they can do before flat out doing it, for example: when we first saw the girl in black, you could have her talk & giggle about the "said" evil plans and before she eliminates her opponent, go in for a close up & cause her eyes to glow and use a fan to make her hair blow or something.

*The girl holding the electrical bolt--- cover the starting point of the electrical bolt with a light tip next time. There was no illumination on the palm of her hand due to the brilliance of the electricity, so I didn't buy it.

*The way she just thrust her hand & arm out to emit electrical energy looked bad... I expected to see a H U G E wave of insane voltage instead of the 9-12 volts she was puttin' out. It was enough to jumpstart a lawnmower but not enough to injure someone....

*The acting overall was weak; next time it might be a good idea to connect a monitor and allow the actors to watch themselves after a shot has been filmed so that it's easier to see what areas need improvement.

*Everyone, for the most part, talked way too fast and way too long, at times, I felt my eyes crossing & my mind slip in & out of consciousness. (NOTE: that's probably normal for me though...)

*BIGGIE* For the character who crawls around on all fours...I'd look into finding someone who creates 3d models so this "animal-man" can crawl on the walls & ceiling, that will only "super-enhance" your production.

*Fire the casting director! (unless it's the author of this film, hehe)* The on-scene homicide detective expressed a little too much emotion to the bite mark... I mean, it was like the dead guy sprayed him with tear gas. He made it seem like he was a rookie and almost couldn't stomach it. It's okay man, I know little kids that bite each other, some of them post movies on this site... Also, when he went into the room to talk to the other guy, he sounded "really" ticked... like he just got jacked for his rims or something. He should have sounded more "determined" to catch these maniacs than upset, he was just too young for the part, too many hand gestures and overly angry. Imagine if you'd hired an older looking gentleman to be the detective instead of Vanilla Ice, it would have credited your scene.

*When you introduced Chris, I would have placed the camera at feet level and raised it as he walk out from the building. This seems to fit better with the music being played.

*The girl that answers the door says, "can I help you?" Now if she's a real psychic, why did she say this if she already knew who he was and what he wanted? It's like she's on a 3 second delay.. Then she say's, "do you want to come in?" Maybe she should have waited 3 seconds and answered herself. Later she asked the guy his name, now guys, being a psychic and after just tapping into the man's cerebellum, she's had plenty of time to figure this out... Besides, this "3 second delay" she seems to have could eventually jeopardize everyone else fighting for justice because she was too late with her foresight.

*When she placed her fingers on his temples to send him some mental video his reaction was like, "huh, cool."

*The gay "PERSONALITY" doesn't fit this movie AT ALL.

*When all four of them are sitting in the car to determine the best way to open a bag of freak up on the bad guys--- I'd try and light that scene better next time, as it stands you were depending heavily on the car's dome light to light everyone. Like on Chris' face, you can see the left side fairly well but his right half is suffering. The two in the back are okay that's because the dome light is in front of their faces.


i give it a 2

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I thought that was great. Sure it doesn't rival the real X-Men, but then you don't have several million dollars in you budget, do you? wink LOL

definately one of the better I've seen here in the cinema...

Can't wait to see more!
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Berlln2232:
*The gay guy doesn't fit this movie AT ALL. I'd save his character for when you make a spoof of Trading Spaces. Also, there's NO WAY I'd take him into battle with me and ask him if he's "got my back."
Im not going to waste my time to respond to ignorance. Dont give any feed back on my movies any more. Thanks.

JamieC7: Im glad you enjoyed it. Yeah, i wish we had a bgger budget ha.

-Chris
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berlin2232 wrote:

Chris, whether you want to admit it or not, you've got a real problem taking ANY form of negative feedback concerning your little movies. If people don't say, "I FREAKIN' LOVE IT!!" you get all upset regardless if it was as extreme as my comments were. I've watched your other movies and while I give you credit for being original, up till now you're consistant in the mistakes you make. ha
Ummm tard ... excuse me but I don't think Chris has the problem. He didn't get all upset, he just chose to ignore your post because it was just you ranting on about what you didn't see fit. You wanna know why he didn't do all the things you suggested, whoa here comes a big shocker...

Because its his TV show.

Directors have their own way of doing things and I think its time you learn that. Now I could take into consideration all of your suggestions if they were constructive, but to me they just seemed like personal preferences. Are you trying to be Hitler or something??? Who cares if the camera shot is changed to looking up from his feet!? I liked how they did it. And I wouldn't tell Chris to change a thing biggrin . See thats the thing, people who make movies leave they're own personal touch in them. And I also don't see what "consistant mistakes" Chris makes in his films. I see no problems with them and I've seen a lot of progress that him and AJ have made since the original Fingerman (such a great idea biggrin ).

And about the whole gay thing. Yes I'm not gay and I love women. I could never even imagine being gay because yes I think it would be gross. But hey if other people are gay let them be. I have nothing against gays as they are some of the nicest people around. You shouldn't judge people because of their sexual preference as also because of their race, nationality, etc. Would you like other people to hate you because of something you can't control? ... didn't think so... Grow up.



Ok now that I got all that out. On to the important stuff biggrin .

Chris, as always, I loved your film. I think that this X3I TV show will be a great success and I wish you the best of luck with your film making. Can't wait for episodes 2 and 3!

"I knew it, I'd put money on it you was gay!" lol I cracked up when I heard that part.

--Peace--
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portalmaster, was I talkin' to you? I never said that chris HAD BETTER accept the commands on my command list or else off with his head, now did I? So keep your "shockers" to yourself...

I did offer some constructive crits such as the camera starting at the feet, but guess what? Who cares if he never does it? It's not on my "command" list remember...?

But hey if other people are gay let them be.
...you see me stopping the gay movement?

You shouldn't judge people because of their sexual preference as also because of their race, nationality, etc.
I'm not judging anyone because of their sexual preference, I just said, "that the gay guy doesn't fit this movie." That's what I said, since you opened up your mouth about it. He just didn't seem to fit the context of that particular story (in my opinion). Have you EVER suggested something doesn't work in a movie? huh, have you, huh? Stop twisting things.

Would you like other people to hate you because of something you can't control?
CAN'T CONTROL??? You just said it was, "their sexual preference." I think it's time YOU grew up and learned some things...
UNCONTROLLABLE areas would consist of race & nationality or a particular handicap, a person as NO control over these things, but your sexual preferences are not one of them. That's why they call them sexual preferences, sexually they prefer a certain thing, so you can put that ole crutch away now and get back to minding your own...

I'm fed up with this and will not continue this argument...
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Heh I don't wanna continue this anymore berlin because this place is for commenting on X3I but I just need to clear up a few things.

About the whole gay thing, I was just sayin don't judge people and let them be that way because of the other nasty post you made. Which I see has been deleted this morning biggrin (thank you moderators). All it did was insult gay people so there's your reason for me bringing it all up.

And yes can't control, no one can control who they're attracted to. I mean seriously if we were all born straight then do you think gay people just decided one day, hey I'll like people of my own gender? They just decided to do something that any straight man would think is disgusting? My point exaclty so leave them alone.

Ok and finally it seemed to me that you rated his movie down because he didn't make all those changes. So yes you didn't "command" him to do that but you think that his TV show is bad just because he didn't do everysingle thing you wanted.

Ok now enough already, BACK TO TOPIC eek .

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I'm not judging anyone because of their sexual preference, I just said, "that the gay guy doesn't fit this movie."
If that was all you said, then it'd be fine. But as it stands, you ALSO added :

"there's NO WAY I'd take him into battle with me and ask him if he's "got my back."

Which clearly implies something about your narrow minded views on other people's sexuality.

UNCONTROLLABLE areas would consist of race & nationality or a particular handicap, a person as NO control over these things, but your sexual preferences are not one of them.
For the Nth time, sexuality is a biologically determined thing which people have no controll over. I point you to this post for evidence on that.

I think it's time YOU grew up and learned some things...
Talk about being hypocritical.

Please, just don't bother posting bigoted rubbish on this forum.
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All it did was insult gay people so there's your reason for me bringing it all up.
Really? What did it say Jason? I'd like to know what that "insult" was.

I mean seriously if we were all born straight then do you think gay people just decided one day, hey I'll like people of my own gender?
It doesn't happen that way junior, it's a process that takes time which is why you hear that so & so has "come out of the closet" so to speak.

Ok and finally it seemed to me that you rated his movie down because he didn't make all those changes. So yes you didn't "command" him to do that but you think that his TV show is bad just because he didn't do everysingle thing you wanted.
Oh, it "seemed to you"... I could care less what the "popular" view around here is, I gave this movie a 2 due to the points I made previously not because he refused to change the content, but I guess if that's the way it "seemed" then maybe I need to quit being so shallow.


"there's NO WAY I'd take him into battle with me and ask him if he's "got my back."
...and
save his character for a spoof of trading spaces...
Crude humor... I'll admit that went too far, and for that I apologize to the forum and the indivdual in question, (whatever his name is) and will remove it from that post.
For the Nth time, sexuality is a biologically determined thing which people have no controll over. I point you to this post for evidence on that.
I can't believe you redirected me to some lame "one-sided" biological bullcrap!
“the SCN [superchiasmatic nucleus] volume in homosexual men was 1.7 times as large as that of the reference group of heterosexual male subjects and contained 2.1 as many cells.”
Really now... Then why is that there are homosexuals who convert from gay to straight? Is it that their brain shrunk to a more "heterosexual" size? What happened to these "additional" cells responsible for this? Can you tell me, Mr. Optimist? If their brain is so much larger, why don't gays complain of headaches or pressure and then say it's fine after a conversion?

Please, just don't bother posting bigoted rubbish on this forum.
I said, "the gay guy doesn't fit at all" I stand by that and will not change it. I didn't say, "I friggin' hate gay people, you shouldn't have used him FOR THAT REASON!" If I said that I hated gay folks, THAT is all the evidence you need to accuse me of being a bigot.
I don't know his real name, but would it have made a difference if I did and said that, "so & so just isn't working for this movie?" Perhaps if I didn't say "gay?" At any rate, it's hard for me to digest his role in this movie because of the way he acted NOT for who he is. For example, let's say this person was gay and you couldn't tell... He didn't "act" that way in the film, he put on a superior performance and he's sheer "Super Hero" material, then I wouldn't have said anything to the contrary. There would have been no point to raise, only praise for his performance.
Rock Hudson was gay, but he didn't ACT like it, so he fit that particular role well. He would have looked mighty strange kissing all those women if he was acting more feminine than they were. So was the dad on the brady bunch, but they didn't act like it. That's all I'm freakin' sayin'...
Now before you wig out, this isn't a don't ask / don't tell situation, I was gauging the content of the story and performance of the actors. There were other areas I brough to his attention as well. I commented on the way he sized up his shots and the special fx used as well, so clam up...
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I can't believe you redirected me to some lame "one-sided" biological bullcrap!
Check out the references list man! That's scientific research, backed up with empircal evidence - you can't just dismiss that as 'bullcrap'.

Then why is that there are homosexuals who convert from gay to straight?
Social pressure forces people to do many things. It's the views of bigots that force the homosexuals in our society to act like people they're not.

If their brain is so much larger, why don't gays complain of headaches or pressure and then say it's fine after a conversion?
It's not their brain that's larger, it's the SCN, which is a group of cells in the brain. The size of certain areas of the brain differs from individual to individual - it's just that research has found that the SCN and SDNs of gay people has been seen to be statistically different to those in straight people's brains.

I said, "the gay guy doesn't fit at all" I stand by that and will not change it
Yeah, and I'm fine by that. But you posted other stuff, which, by your own admission, "went too far". If I posted a comment to someone's movie where there was a black character, and I said "That black guy didn't fit in this movie - save him for Rap videos and 'Cops'!", I'd expect to get banned from the forum for racism. Yet you think it's fine to mock someone for his sexuality? Great, well done. Very mature of you.
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berlin2232 wrote:



I'm fed up with this and will not continue this argument...
hmmmm......

interesting....

Anyway, Trying to veer this car back on the road... This show was great, dude! You obviously have a lot of dedication to this project. Keep up the good work. The only things wrong that i can think of have already been covered here. wink

Oh, P.S. - Berlin: cool it. just cool it.
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Oh, P.S. - Berlin: cool it. just cool it.
You need to take your little young self on and color correct that movie instead of jumping into someone else's business...
"That black guy didn't fit in this movie - save him for Rap videos and 'Cops'!", I'd expect to get banned from the forum for racism. Yet you think it's fine to mock someone for his sexuality? Great, well done. Very mature of you.
I see you've conveniently left out my apology for the shrewd remarks so you can continue beating this into the ground? I also fixed my previous post if you recall... I see, don't want to talk about that...

My idea of a "superhero" is obviously different from a lot of people's interpretation. When I think of a superhero (in the movies), the first thing that comes to my mind is not a gay person. Many things can be blamed for that type of thinking, nevertheless, it's not the first thing that comes to my mind. You can be gay and play a superhero in a film, I don't have a problem with that. But to play a superhero, to me, and do it with a gay persona doesn't check out, again to me. What? I'm not allowed to think that way? As an individual, I'm entitled to have and maintain this opinion, I don't have to agree with you or anyone else's thoughts or opinions concerning this matter.
It's Chris' movie, he can use an entire cast of homosexuals to tell a story if he wants, I don't object to that. "I" would even employ a homosexual for a certain role if he/she acted that role out the way I wanted it, the same for a heterosexual actor. Say, if I were to make a movie and need a "gay" character but only had a straight guy to play the part, that actor would have to be convincing enough to me that he "was" that gay character before I'd post that film and the same is true with just the opposite.

I don't accept your views as to why some folks prefer a same sex partner. You don't have to wait until you have an over abundant amount of cells in your brain to have an illicit relationship with someone else, a lot of relationships both hetero and homosexual are done out sheer perversion, some even say curiosity or experimentation. This happens everyday and all the time. It's not like they're just "good people" who can't control themselves as you'd like to make it out to be (again, I'm speaking on both sides, hetero & homosexuals before you attempt to edit & twist only the juicy parts of this message... which I don't doubt you will.)

Why do men attempt to gratify themselves? Is it something in their brains causing this, or could it be weak skills when it comes to hollarin' at the ladies? Do you believe "social pressure" will make them stop and develop a meaningful relationship? Well, I'm sure you'll find medical evidence in a film forum or one of these chatrooms to justify your ideals.

Social pressure forces people to do many things. It's the views of bigots that force the homosexuals in our society to act like people they're not.
I don't buy that crap for one minute. Black folks have been enslaved for more years than you can count and the "social pressure" (i don't believe you) of that day never caused them to stop being black. They were beat, hung, shot, harrassed and the list goes on and still, they were black before slavery and black afterwards, nothing could change that. Yet you have former homosexuals who claim a complete turnaround by either spiritual reasons or their own choice and not because they didn't have a big enough support group. Is the "social pressure" you say is prevalent with gays today stronger than what black folks went through years back when it was legal to do this to them? There's no dought that hate crimes are being commited against gays but is it anywhere near the magnitude that blacks had to face?...don't think so, it's not legal to treat homosexuals the way blacks were legally treated. So then, where's all this pressure?

San Francisco is the nation's capital for homosexuals, it's true, there are more confessed gay & lesbians there than anyplace else in America. Are you going to tell me that former homosexuals in that city converted to being straight because of "social pressure?" Yes? Noooo, not hardly.

As a matter of fact, "social pressure" barely even exsist because you have people "coming out of the closet" everyday, lawsuits filed because of discrimination... (that'll remove some of the pressure)
Look at your television, what do you see? Oh look! It's Madonna and Britany engaging in a lip-lock! Do you think they're worried about "social pressure" while they're ecouraging their young followers to be just as freaky & perverted as they are?" ...and why do you think that happened? Did something rare and ironic happen simutaniously in their brains?
See, so all your corny research is really baseless.
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Berlin... your good at putting alot of bullshit in a box and wrapping it nicely with a bow, ill give u that...
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Hey all. It's the GAY GUY- which seems to be the center of a lot of controversy, sadly.

Berlin...you're one piece of work, you know that? I don't even know where to start with you. So, here it goes:

YOU DON'T KNOW SH*T ABOUT SUPER HEROES!!!
As an comic book fan and aspiring creator, i must say i am disgusted by your narrow-minded view of who can and cannot be a hero. There are tons of gay heroes. Northstar; he's gay and an X-man. Mystique had a long lasting lesbian relationship with Destiny. Have you ever even picked up an issue of The Authority?? Gay heroes are Everywhere. It's people like you who make me realize why characters like Asryn are so important. If i can, even to the smallest degree, help to break this rigid mold of what defines a super hero, I would consider it amongst my greatest accomplishments.

MAKING ARSYN "FIT"
I understand what you were saying about the actor accurately portraying a character, but ARSYN is exactly how he's suppose to be. I know- i wrote the damn script and i play the character. I've always thought it important that art be a reflection of reality, and in reality, there are homos. Homos who are by no means any less admirable, courageous, or "heroic" because of their sexuality.

ALL COMMENTS ABOUT RACISM vs. HOMOSEXUALITY
completely inappropriate.
The social pressures of blacks and gays ( as i am both) are completely unrelated. And SLAVERY??? what idiot thought to bring that up?
You should cry yourself to sleep at night for your ignorance.

OTHER CRITISMS
As i've said before, all technical issues fall onto Chris.
It is said very PLAINLY in the show that Reign is not a powerful psychic. Any revelation you thought you were making about her impotency as a psychic is merely ignorance in passing.
Azura "giggling"?....you've lost your mind.
To say it matter-of-factly, you're commentary is as purposeful to me as the oxygen filling your lungs. Both i could do without entirely.

TO OUR MORE RESPECTFUL AND CONSIDERATE CRITIQUES
Thank you for your keen insight and support. I hope what is to come in X3i will not dissappoint you. and Best of luck with all you do.

FINAL NOTES:
Homosexuality is not a choice.
Sexual "preference" is a PC term coined by some straight man, not scientific diction or anything applicable as the foundation to an arguement on Homosexuality.
"Perversion" is grown men, women, priests fondling children, not consentual sex between two (or more!) adults.
Chris, we better get to work on our Queer Eye for the Straight Guy spoof. Why waste just OBVIOUS and available talent like myself.

And Berlin...That Kingly aura you ALL but claim to possess is simply the exhaust fumes from your double-wide. So pack up the mobile home, Trash, and take a hike. I hear Georgia is still waving a confederate flag. You might enjoy it there. And feel free to never post here again smile

The GAY (Whether you like it or not), ARSYN

*SMooCHEs*
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Berlin - I did write out a post explaning to you why everything you've said there was wholly inaccurate; but I though, "why bother" - it's clear that it won't make any difference to your narrow minded BS views. Even if I give you a list of empirical evidence to support my views, you'll just dismiss it.

The only thing I have to say to you is this -
jumping into someone else's business...
This is an open forum, so whatever gets posted here is 'everyones business'.

Arsyn - sorry for making a big thing over this sad It just really annoys me that people can say things like that and feel justified. The only reason I brough up the race issue was to show berlin how inapropriate his comments were. I didn't mean to make a parralel between the experiences of people of different races and sexualities, sorry.

Arktic.
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I think everyone's said their piece now. Let's get back to talking about X3i. If you want to discuss the idea of a gay superhero, do it in a civil manner. It's an interesting topic, let's not spoil it by letting our prejudices get in the way.
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berlin2232 wrote:

Oh, P.S. - Berlin: cool it. just cool it.
You need to take your little young self on and color correct that movie instead of jumping into someone else's business...
Ouch. Now that was just plain mean. You have a lot of anger problems my friend, and its sad that i am being more mature than you are...

Yeah, thats all i have to say, get back to the movie topic, cause i only needed to point out to him that a direct "attack" on any member of fxhome is an attack at all of us. And i was only trying to CORRECT what you made into a big debate that had nothing to do with the movie.

So next time, look at you're own posts before you call someone else a "young self" because frankly, your posts in this topic have been very childish.

Just like CX3, I dont want you commenting on any of my movies ever again. Most of your comments have been just "I would have done this", or you have resulted to yelling. I have even found out that you insult my movies in other peoples topics, so don't bother next time. Are you happy now? You've managed to get MANY people angry at you. Way to go.

Sorry if i dragged this off further Tarn, I just couldn't let him openly insult me like that.

Yeah, X3i was great. wink GET BACK TO THE TOPIC NOW!
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CX3 - Just wondering did you work on this with ajjax44?

I though it was good but some of the effects could have been pulled off a bit better. I especially liked the guy crawling on all fours. Im looking foreward for episode 2 smile.

Oh and by the way -

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Can I get an Amen!?!?!?!?!? AMEN!

P.S. Arsyn: Your accepted by most of us, no matter what or who you are.
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I'm trying to figure out when it became funny to post pictures of handicap children and joke about the special olypmics. Seriously.
Advocating for Peace, Arsyn
P.S. Thank you Atom smile
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yeah, we all accept you Arsyn. Don't feel bad just cause some people like to make fun of peoples sexuality. Most of us here dont. You're always welcome! biggrin

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Arsyn wrote:

I'm trying to figure out when it became funny to post pictures of handicap children and joke about the special olypmics. Seriously.
I didn't think it ever did. By the way, I just realized I never gave my two cents about the film, but since I waited so long, everthing I wanted to say has been said.

Solid editing, some weak acting (with the exception Alex Randleman and Chris, who are actually very good), and I cant wait to see how this series evolves. THis may have already been asked, but when can we expect episode II ?

by the way, does anyone else think that Fingerman should make a cameo appearance?
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Waser wrote:

by the way, does anyone else think that Fingerman should make a cameo appearance?
Haha. Seeming as Chris plays both Fingerman and Michael Pact I doubt that will happen (usually not a good idea to have one person play two people). But that would sure be funny biggrin .
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I have come to the conclusion that I am in love with CX3....lol jp ya I think that you're an awesome actor...but I am not as gracious as Aculag, I thought hte 2 Girls (who are quite good looking I might add),you, the vampire (definately the least of the good actors) and....i think the others were ok to bad...I liked the cinematography a lot.. I thought there was alil too much talk and not enough action, and I thought the talking in the car scene was causing me be dizzy it was like "AHHHHHHHHHHHHH! THE ROOM IS SPINNING!" ....ya CX3 ...you're the man smile
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Cutty201 wrote:

I have come to the conclusion that I am in love with CX3....lol jp ya I think that you're an awesome actor...but I am not as gracious as Aculag, I thought hte 2 Girls (who are quite good looking I might add),you, the vampire (definately the least of the good actors) and....i think the others were ok to bad...I liked the cinematography a lot.. I thought there was alil too much talk and not enough action, and I thought the talking in the car scene was causing me be dizzy it was like "AHHHHHHHHHHHHH! THE ROOM IS SPINNING!" ....ya CX3 ...you're the man smile
I couldn't agree more... biggrin
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portalmaster wrote:

Cutty201 wrote:

....ya CX3 ...you're the man smile
I couldn't agree more... biggrin
ummm ya where's the line for autographs ? smile
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Haha, id blush if i could but.. well.. ya know haha.

Slick: Nah, i didnt work with aj on this. X3i is shot up at my school at OSU, AJ is at Miami University. But you will see a cameo from him this season.

-Chris
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Hey Guys,
Just remember i have to work with the ego your building (Chris). j/k smile Just figured i'd let everyone know that ep. 7 is written and Chris and I are still working on ideas and junk for the continuation of our series. Thanks for the posts! smile
~ALEX

PS. Ooooh, looky. I have "force" now! Though, i have no idea what that means...
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it means people(me included) enjoyed watching you kicking berlin2232's homophobic ass.

Episode seven is laready written?? This prompts three questions.
1.How many are filmed?
2.When do we get to see them?
3.Give them to me.
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1.) Only one has been filmed... We start shooting as soon as we get back in the fall.
2.) The fall.
3.) LOL haha, when i read that i seriously laughed out loud, we'll get'm to u asap ha.

-Chris
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What chris said. Everything goes into works this fall. And thanks you for telling me what force is smile ~Alex
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And it means you can now have an avatar. IMO, the wolf dude was my favorite character. I liked Chris's acting and Alex's acting. The show was entertaining, that's what I want. 5/5 from me. Compare it to other shows that are on TV, I mean, Power Rangers is on TV for god sakes, X3i should be national. All of my friends liked it, even my dad liked it.

PS- Why the heck is it so low in the rankings of that iMovie site you posted? It should be at the top, more than that scuba diving movie. Oh well, I gave it a 5/5 on there as well.
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When any pther x3i episode?

Shadu
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Episode 2 is almost done being edited and we have already started filming for episode 3. Hopefully ep 2 will be up next week... even though i dont think it will have anything on 3 cuz thats when all the cool/badass characters come in.
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CX3 wrote:

Episode 2 is almost done being edited and we have already started filming for episode 3. Hopefully ep 2 will be up next week... even though i dont think it will have anything on 3 cuz thats when all the cool/badass characters come in.
Awesome. I've been waiting for a new episode of x3i since I downloaded the first one and judging by the quality of the recent Daywalker, it's gonna be great.
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I saw your first episode and you are fantastic, I adored him. I am waitingthe second and of course the third part.
Congratulations for your great work