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The Buried Secret Of M. Night Shyalaman

Posted: Mon, 28th Jun 2004, 6:52am

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has anyone heard about this or saw the trailer on tv.
http://www.scifi.com/events/event.php3?event_id=9389

it is a documentery on the director m. night shyalaman
but while they were filming it they uncovered something shocking about him. they discovered a secret. it is an unotherized documentry that will air on the sci fi channel. i am so exited and tempted to find out what they no!!!
Posted: Mon, 28th Jun 2004, 7:09am

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I can tell you now...


He's crap and his films are full of holes. smile
Aliens scared of water on a planet with mostly water..... tsk tsk.
Posted: Mon, 28th Jun 2004, 8:22am

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He's crap, yet he makes millions more than the people that say he is such and also makes films that entertain millions and became successful at the job he loves?..tsk tsk..

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Posted: Mon, 28th Jun 2004, 8:26am

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I can appreciate Night's cinematographical style, as well as his ability to tell a story.

b4uask30male wrote:

He's crap and his films are full of holes.
What holes? Most of his plots seem pretty well written. No offense - just curious what incompletenesses you noticed. biggrin

Peace~
Posted: Mon, 28th Jun 2004, 9:54am

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I really like The Sixth Sense and Unbreakable, but Signs was fairly atrocious storytelling - as b4 says, aliens that are massively allergic to water decide to go to an ocean planet and wander around with no clothes on? Riiight...

Having said that, Signs did have some individually very effective scenes of tension, which really got me despite the film in general not holding my attention.

As for this documentary, nobody seems sure quite what the situation is. It's either that it's a legit documentary and Shyamalan withdrew support for it halfway through, but they continued to make it to show what he's like, or it's a fictional documentary written by the guy himself to create some word of mouth for his new film...
Posted: Mon, 28th Jun 2004, 11:49am

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I agree with tarn here i really liked the sixth sense and unbreakable but signs was poor. The climax of the film was a poorly animated cg alien, no where near the quality of ending of the first 2 films, which is what made shymalan.

The documentary sounds really good, ill have to find someone to record it for me. Just wish this documentary had come out earlier i've just had to write a piece of coursework on him, could have been useful.
Posted: Mon, 28th Jun 2004, 3:20pm

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When will this doc be broadcast ?
Posted: Mon, 28th Jun 2004, 4:59pm

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Looks like its gonna be July 18th

http://www.scifi.com/mnight/
Posted: Mon, 28th Jun 2004, 5:13pm

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Thanks tarn has said a point i was going to.
sixth sense also has major holes in,
bruce willis dies then a few months later gets the file on a boy, !!!! this means the file was either way old and the kid had not got anyone else looking into his case, or the file was put on bruce's desk recently which is stupid as he's dead.


I could go on, but please don't let the fact someone makes millions means his stories are full of holes, it just that normal ( as i call them ) people don't pick up on the errors, my wife didn't notice the water thing on signs, ( the signs had been on earth for years as they planned their attack, surely once it rained....
I hated stuart little ( we wrote it ), but crap was just my view, i feel when he does earn millions the least he could do is make the story air tight.

I kinda liked Unbreakable, I didn't notice any holes in that.
Posted: Mon, 28th Jun 2004, 5:54pm

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Sixth Sense didn't do it for me at all.

Heck, I figured the punch before the movie was even released just watching the trailer - because you only see Willis talking to the kid at all times in the trailer then they conclude with the kid saying: I see dead people...

So I thought immediately Willis is dead.

And while I agree fully with Ian (that movie is shock full of holes) - there was also some annoying directing choices...

Like every time something red appeared in the film (kid shirt, red cristal doorknob (?)), some freaky event would occur soon... If that doesn't kill suspense, I don't know what does.

Also, the thing that gave away the whole movie in my opinion is the scene fairly early on, where Willis talks to his estranged wife at the dinner.

The conversation they are having, I don't care how PISSED you are at your husband, you would at least look at him in the face at some point.

And when she does, well she looks beyond him... And for me that was the clue that he wasn't there. The scene was fairly poorly acted because of the odd conflict between the real situation and the need to fool the audience into believing Willis was still alive...

Unbreakable was better in terms of structure but still I figured it out in 20 minutes...

Shyamalan, while a competent director overall, is a one trick pony.

He takes an obvious conclusion with an odd premise and throws you off balance with the premise, and, basically cheating the audience out of information throughout, builds up the "suspense" (although he likes to think he's clever so he drops hints all over and if you are quick enough you can pick them all up and you figure it out WAY before the end), until you finally get all the pieces of the puzzle in a lengthy, akward peice of exposition and you slap your head: Wow! Why didn't I see it before?

Now there no question it works: the guy wouldn't be a millionaire otherwise and I say good for him. But he is also definitely OVERrated...

He only gets points for the originality of his premises in my book. All the rest, better writers could at least hide it for more than 20 minutes...

And from the Village trailers, it looks like he's back to his Sixth Sense roots (I guess because all his other efforts didn't truly make that much money and he needs a hit bad):

Red is bad; mystical creatures that live at the edge of the unknown, a young demure hero who dares venture into the unexplored to help a group...

Yawning already.
Posted: Mon, 28th Jun 2004, 6:12pm

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b4uask30m wrote:

I hated stuart little
How could anyone hate that movie?! It was great and had Michael J. Fox as an animated mouse. That's cinematic genius is ever I saw it wink
Posted: Mon, 28th Jun 2004, 6:25pm

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I liked Unbreakable a lot. I didn't like it because the story was incredibly hard to figure out, I liked it for it's incredible cinematography, it's amazing ability to set a mood, the acting (in my opinion) was good all around, and I've always loved comic books. Nobody has ever tried to interpret comic books in quite the light that this movie did.

That said, I didn't like Signs, or The Sixth Sense, and it's doubtful that I'll like The Village. But I'll still go see it.
Posted: Mon, 28th Jun 2004, 7:07pm

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( John, you got me there, i didn't see the trailers and only got it at the end that bruce was dead, but as soon as i found out my brain went back over the film and straight away i felt lied to sad because of the little things that the director done to throw people of the trail. )

Just wondering... has anyone seen "close incounters of the 3rd kind" recently.?

I saw it after watching signs, ( it might just be me ) but the scene where the kid gets taken was really copied and put into signs.!!!
have a watch let me know.
Posted: Mon, 28th Jun 2004, 8:15pm

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you aren't alone there b4, I saw that when I saw signs in theaters
Posted: Tue, 29th Jun 2004, 12:42am

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While the biggest hole in Signs was the usual "aliens who react poorly to water" canard -- done much better in Alien Nation, btw -- the most annoying glitch was the idea of a farm community with no guns. Alien invaders around a small town would face a fight they wouldn't believe.

I did like the moral of the film, though: When you have an alien invader trapped in a cupboard, kill it. The lives you save may be your family's.
Posted: Sun, 11th Jul 2004, 10:15pm

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its funny cause i live in the place where they filmed Signs. Now the world thinks we are a bunch of hicks and hill billies. But we aren't. Thats the only reason i hate him. Other than that, i dont care about the holes, Signs rocked the house. It was entertaining, scary, and funny. Definately one of my favorite movies.

Except for the Hick part... twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted
Posted: Mon, 12th Jul 2004, 12:29am

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i didnt know he made 6th sense. i liked that movie.
Posted: Mon, 12th Jul 2004, 4:11am

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Yes, consitering Evman and I have a studio together and we live about a mile away in the same neighborhood, I'd have to say that Mr. Shamalayn (or however the hell you spell his name) did make me feel like a hick. I live in the same state, and county (at that) as Mr. Passion-of-the-Christ did in the movie, and it was kinda embarassing. Well, consitering we do have a lot of corn fields and farmers, most of it is going to big business. Well, though I did see only the first hour of the film, I could see how it would only ignite the train of thought that you had about us. So if you did (and possibly do still) think we're hicks, please tell me.
Now about those holes in Signs. Yes, I do realize how dumb it is for aliens who are vulnerable (and I mean frickin' vulnerable) to water land on the only planet out of nine (or is it ten?) that's mass is about 70% of Alien kryptonite, but I saw something deeper in the movie. All Mr. Shamalamadingdong wanted to do by creating Signs was to give us a huge warning sign. Warning sign? Yes, it's his own "This is a test of the emergency broadcast system" to whomever saw it. So you're lucky if you saw this movie because now you know that when you see strange symbols in your kiddie pool, you can just spit on an Alien!
So does he know the Aliens? Yes he does. Mr. Salmadalma (or however the hell you spell his name) has known these Aliens for quite some time now. Unfortunately for Evman and I, we live where most of Mr. Sillydillyyahoo's film's were filmed, and everything bad happens to us first. So, if I catch word of Aliens coming this way, I'll post it up as a topic okay?
Okay, so if you think that him writing Stuart Little was amazing, then the guy who wrote Wayne's World is truely the second reincarnation of Jesus Christ.
Posted: Mon, 12th Jul 2004, 4:21am

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i have to agree with Lou here. I mean Mr. Pencil. I have seen numerous aliens in my backyard at night. sometimes i offer them lemon squares because they come around so often. M. Night hides out in the woods behind my house and whispers to them his biddings. Why else do you think his movies are such big successes? The aliens brainwashed everyone. He made a movie about them because they think that it is funny that he basically told us that they exist, yet we still dont get it. Why have i not killed him or any of the aliens yet? Cause they have gotten a hold on me too.... twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted

OBEY SHAMAYLAN! OBEY!
Posted: Mon, 12th Jul 2004, 4:32am

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evman101 wrote:

M. Night hides out in the woods behind my house and whispers to them his biddings.

Yeah, he does it in my backyard too.
Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004, 9:42pm

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I agree with everyone about M. Night Shyamalan. His films do have holes, but that doesn't mean that they're bad. I think his filming style is awesome. And the toned-down Twilight Zone style (God I hate twilight zone) twists at the end of his films are good. Sixth Sense was awesome with Bruce Willis being dead, and the flashbacks of everything that proved to him his nonexistence. And in Unbreakable (his coolest and best movie I think) at the end when he (Bruce Willis again) is finally resolved and he is happy and shakes Samuel L. Jackson's hand, he sees Jackson's past and Jackson waiting in the airport lobby while the bomb goes off (the bomb that he set to see if there were survivors) and him talking in the bar to the hotel architect about how a fire on the second floor would kill everyone, and him walking into the later-to-be-crashed train (where Willis was the sole survivor) tinkering with it to cause complications. I also like Shyamalan because in Unbreakable, he never shows Samuel L. Jackson setting a bomb, starting a fire, or tampering with the train. Everything's implied. And that is the genius. Also, though you know that there have been three catastrophes where everyone died except for good ol' Bruce Willis, (because Samuel L. Jackson is obsessed about them) you never actually see any fire or explosions.

Now enough Shyamalan praise. I hate how he reuses parts of his old films in his newer films.
Let me see, what is the signal color for dead people in the Sixth Sense? RED.
And what is the signal for the beasts in The Village?
RED.
And what is Bruce Willis's kryptonite in Unbreakable?
WATER.
And what are the aliens' kryptonite in Signs?
WATER
Coincidence? I think not.
Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004, 11:01pm

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ben3308 wrote:


Now enough Shyamalan praise. I hate how he reuses parts of his old films in his newer films.
Let me see, what is the signal color for dead people in the Sixth Sense? RED.
And what is the signal for the beasts in The Village?
RED.
And what is Bruce Willis's kryptonite in Unbreakable?
WATER.
And what are the aliens' kryptonite in Signs?
WATER
Coincidence? I think not.
Hey, I never noticed that. I guess he is just trying to apply familiar imagery (sic all around) or he's lazy.
What I like about Shyamalan is that he takes basic fiction elements (Aliens, Ghosts, Superhero's) and applys them as realistically to real life (i suck at writing) as possile, if that makes any sense. I can look past most of the holes, and just enjoy the films
Posted: Wed, 14th Jul 2004, 6:07am

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I have never figured out what the term "sic" means...someone want to explain?
Posted: Sun, 18th Jul 2004, 5:03pm

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I was just gonna inform you guys that its coming on tonight 8pm eastern time.

Watch it!
Posted: Sun, 18th Jul 2004, 5:08pm

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cool, thanks for the reminder.
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 1:00am

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im watching it now... Can you say... FAKE?!?!?!

lol biggrin wink

They arent doing a very good job of making it seem at least somewhat real.
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 1:59am

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Why not let those of us who aren't watching it in on what they're talking about and such?
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 3:12am

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Aculag wrote:

Why not let those of us who aren't watching it in on what they're talking about and such?
then watch it.

Its over now, maybe it'll re-run.

They were saying how night's films were not fiction, but these things all happened to him. But it was all so obviously fake that i was laughing during some parts. The interviews were obviously staged. They were saying "oh, Night is a shaman and a seer and all this stuff. And it was really boring cause it went no where. I was waiting for them to make up something even bigger at the end, but nothing much.


Sci Fi did this for The Blair Witch project Special. They tried to fake all this stuff really happening. But it doesn't work.

I was also really alerted to the fraudulence of it by the "written by:" and "costumes designed by:" and so on.
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 3:41am

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I missed it, oh well doesnt seem good anyway I went to work with my cousin at Marriot. Maybe they will give a re-run tommorow.
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 5:30am

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Maybe this could be helpful?

http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?flok=FF-APO-1401&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040717%2F0934496488.htm&sc=1401

Kinda dissapointing.
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 5:55am

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evman101 wrote:

then watch it.
Call my cable company and order the sci-fi channel for me.

Sounds like it wasn't really worth wasting time on anyway.
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 6:38am

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you know what the "M" in his name stands for?

"Monty"

can you dig it?
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 7:08am

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Oh, I can dig it, can and will dig it.


Ooba sends his regards Bryce
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its not monty its monoj and this very disaponting and totally fake doc was probebly just to promote his new movie the villige. witch by the way looks good anyway.
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 10:39am

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feelthapain wrote:

Maybe this could be helpful?

http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?flok=FF-APO-1401&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040717%2F0934496488.htm&sc=1401

Kinda dissapointing.
Weird - that article is a bit interesting. Somebody somewhere has a good case, otherwise they wouldn't have the big cheeses apologizing to the "public". Or...

ari wrote:

its not monty its monoj and this very disaponting and totally fake doc was probebly just to promote his new movie the villige. witch by the way looks good anyway.
It could be yet another "marketing ploy". Who knows? Regardless I'm looking foward to "The Village"
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 3:20pm

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Oh deary deary me !! What a larf... I laughed the whole way through. Except when they got Johnny Depp involved... uh -oh. And poor old Brody, what WAS he thinking ? I recognised the doc director from something else as well.... can't remember what exactly but a trip to IMDB will rest my mind at ease. Ah well...........