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Posted: Tue, 29th Jun 2004, 3:33am

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mthoward

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Say I want a person 2 be flying flat out like neo when hes flying in the matrix and all the buildings and stuff behind him are going all over he place. How do I film the person and where can i get a similar backround or anything where someone could be flying.
Posted: Tue, 29th Jun 2004, 4:11am

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ssjaaron

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2 ways, 3D (hard) or green screen, with 3d city as a background. i am sure sombody will help you out.
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Posted: Tue, 29th Jun 2004, 4:15am

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mthoward

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yes, i was leaning towards green screen. Is there a way to elevate the person without harnesses, or i could probably just have the actor laying down?
Posted: Tue, 29th Jun 2004, 5:51am

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BackOfTheHearse

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Well, do something like what Sidewinder and Mecha did for DXM, where they laid on their stomach on a stool in front of a greenscreen and digitally removed the stool.
Posted: Wed, 30th Jun 2004, 1:02am

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For the original Superman movie they had Christopher Reeves lay on a piece of glass in front of the greenscreen, I believe. You would want to use tempered glass though, which could be pretty pricey.
Posted: Wed, 30th Jun 2004, 1:10am

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Ryan

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But dont have the person lie down on the green screen because the shado will make it look fake.
Posted: Wed, 30th Jun 2004, 2:52am

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Evman

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or, to save some trouble, paint the stool the same color as ur screen and then just do some touch ups on the odd shadows around it in post. Much less work.
Posted: Wed, 30th Jun 2004, 3:44am

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Or you could wrap a green cloth around the stool. That would be the best way. Then, just animate him wobbling up and down and shaking to add realism. Then pay shadow light fx to add in 3d background stuff, do it yourself 3d, or do it yourself 2d and just make a loop of a motion blurred city going by. To find the city to make the loop, go to google.com/images, in photoshop, just string about three together, and in your compositing program, copy and paste them flying by and add motion blur. Whew.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2004, 10:53am

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billy3d

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since everything is heavily blurred, some basic box's with some simple texture maps would do just fine smile
Posted: Sun, 4th Jul 2004, 6:35am

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The best way to do that within a 3d program is to create your "city" around a sphere, so it's basically like a small world with big buildings sticking out of it, then having a camera aligned to a spline circling it as a loop so you could basically loop the same city flying by over and over. if it's heavily blurred then it wouldn't matter smile

I'm hoping that makes sense, maybe a diagram is in order.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jul 2004, 2:37pm

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No way man, that makes perfect sense, great idea, that makes it fully loopable if you do it right.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jul 2004, 3:19pm

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Hybrid-Halo

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good stuff, let me know how it goes. I'd be interesting in seeing the end result. smile
Posted: Sun, 4th Jul 2004, 4:17pm

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For the original Superman movie they had Christopher Reeves lay on a piece of glass in front of the greenscreen
I was under the impression that they used front projection for the Superman movies?

Either way, if you were going to opt for the 'looped city' option as detailed by HH, then you might as well save yourself the trouble of making a sphere and all that by just having a single, flat city, and having the camera pan accross it - as long as the buildings at the start and the end were the same, you could just loop that footage in your NLE - as this would save time rendering a 20 second clip which is, essentially, the same 4 second clip looped 5 times or whatever.

Also, you might want to have some things pass between the actor and the camera, to make it less obvious that it's a looped clip - and that shouldn't be too hard in chromy.

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Posted: Sun, 4th Jul 2004, 4:32pm

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Rawree

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You could do it really simply by making a plane in 3DS Max and then using the Greeble modifier to generate a city, then just pan through it.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jul 2004, 5:25pm

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From a book I have:

"The technique of front projection largely replaced back projection from the 1950's. The background image is projected from the front of the screen onto a semi-transparent mirror and then onto a two-way mirror, and the camera records the background and the foreground as one image. The movie Superman (1978) used this method to give the illusion that actor Christopher Reeve flew above the city of Metropolis."
Posted: Wed, 7th Jul 2004, 1:37pm

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What I meant was, I believe they had him lay on glass so that you could see the rear projection screen behind him. I can't recall where I heard that though, so it is possible that I am entirely wrong.
Posted: Wed, 7th Jul 2004, 8:04pm

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BackOfTheHearse

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He was held up by a hydraulic arm, actually.
Posted: Wed, 7th Jul 2004, 8:31pm

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No dude, Superman could fly and SuperWoman was the cameraman.