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Canon XL2

Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2004, 9:24pm

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Anyone heard of the XL2 or when it will be finished, will that even be soon? Is there any literature on it on the net? What will be the difference in the XL1 and XL2?
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2004, 9:27pm

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The XL1s is basically the "XL2" as it's an updated version of the XL1. I've looked high and low for anything about a new Canon camera, but haven't found anything. I've heard that it may be announced this year... and I've heard that it may not ever be made, at least not as the "XL2". It'd be interesting to hear something other than rumours.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2004, 9:36pm

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well i had firewire damga on my GL2 and had to send it in to the tech service in cali and was talking to the service tecvh about the "XL2" and he said "I havent heard anything of its release" SO thats why i wonder.

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Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2004, 9:36pm

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"release date"
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2004, 9:38pm

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I believe any upgrade will be a further enhancement of the XM2 model, not the XL1 - which is in my opinion the inferior camera of the two.

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Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2004, 9:56pm

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The XL1 is inferior because it uses the same CCD as the GL1. If they were to update it, however, and add the CCD used by the GL2, and add some other things (like an LCD screen), it would definitely be better.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2004, 10:00pm

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Update it?

Surely thats what we are talking about anyways, and with an LCD screen it'd be a new incarnation of the Xm2.

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Posted: Sun, 4th Jul 2004, 5:31am

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I agree an Xl1 is not ment to have an LCD display. I hear the image quality of the gl2/xm2 is better than the xl1s, that people just prefer the xl1s becuase they have interchangabe lenses.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jul 2004, 6:31am

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I think a lot of people don't realise how great it is to have interchangeable lenses. It's a really good thing to have. Sure it's not so neccessary for amateurs, but when you want to start making professional looking stuff, your lenses are really going to make a difference in your shot.

I want a mini dv camera with better image quality than the GL2 or that Sony one, interchangable lenses, completely manual controls for everything (aperture, focus, zoom, etc..), a black and white viewfinder, XLR inputs, 24p, and variable speed controls, like 12 fps, 24 fps, 60 fps, 120 fps...

How sweet would that be? Very sweet, that's how sweet.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jul 2004, 9:10pm

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We recently bought two XL1s' and the dealer told us that they have been discontinued, that's why they're really cheap right now.

A "friend of a friend" that was at a manufacturer's exhibition said that the Canon salesmen wouldn't say anything about it.

Another rumor that I heard was that it was going to HD, but this is all just world of mouth. I can't find anything online. My best guess is that they're going to make another camera, but not under the "XL#" model name.

Also, are there any proven, side-by-side tests that the GL2 is just as good or better as the XL1s? That all seems to be opinion-based, too, though I've heard it outside this forum as well.
Posted: Mon, 5th Jul 2004, 2:56am

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The CCDs on the GL2 are better, but then again the default lens on the XL1s is 72mm, as opposed to the small (in comparison) 58mm lens on the GL2.

But what I really like about the XL1s is it's form factor. It weighs 6.5 pounds and fits nicely mounted on your shoulder, and thus feels much more like a film camera. I was able to get incredibly smoother and more professionally looking shots with it as opposed to my Digital8 cam. And the GL2 is barely bigger than it, and it certainly doesn't weigh any more.

Maybe by the time I have enough money saved up, the XL1s will be in the $2000 range... smile
Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004, 7:51pm

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uh uh uhhhhhha Ya didn't say the magic word...
You guys ready to spoodge? are ya? Are ya ? lookie what I found for all yall smile

http://www.dvinfo.net/canonxl2/index.php
Posted: Wed, 14th Jul 2004, 11:39am

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The offical site - http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ModelDetailAct&fcategoryid=114&modelid=10350
Posted: Wed, 14th Jul 2004, 1:21pm

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I soooo want one.

Since the resolution is higher now, I'm guessing that Mini-DV tapes won't last as long, so a 60 minute tape will only hold 45 probably. That widescreen chip is awesome.

-Daniel
Posted: Wed, 14th Jul 2004, 2:44pm

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HOW CAN THAT BE REAL! Oh my god.

Variable frame rates..
Color Correction in camera...
Built in XLR... WITH phantom power!

I'm having a siezure. I need it.

Looks like I'll be selling my XL1s...
Posted: Wed, 14th Jul 2004, 4:14pm

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Aculag wrote:



Looks like I'll be selling my XL1s...
How much?
Posted: Wed, 14th Jul 2004, 4:39pm

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I agree I may be seling my Xl1 to get this new one. BUILT IN XLR!!! ::swoon::
Posted: Wed, 14th Jul 2004, 6:30pm

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Yeah, I'm almost glad that my film's been delayed. By the time it comes around, it'll be a good time to try this camera. The only thing that still annoys me are the lenses. I just wish there were viable alternatives because I really want to make use of lenses. But at that cost, it's a little tough, eh? Are their good unofficial lenses that were available for the XL1? If so, that could be a good thing.

Adam.
Posted: Wed, 14th Jul 2004, 8:19pm

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Well, you can have the option to buy just the body of the camera, which is what I think I'll end up doing, and then just get a Manual lens to go with it. I like that they're having it available without the lens. That's a good move.

Evman - probably like 2500 with the accesories (MA-200, battery, etc). But I'm not sure yet. I'll have to see what kind of money I'm making this summer until it comes out.

This opens many new doors for my feature film. If I can get my hands on one of these before December, WHEEEEE!
Posted: Wed, 14th Jul 2004, 8:36pm

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yerpers!!!! Its out too smile NOw i need a GL3 smile
Posted: Wed, 14th Jul 2004, 8:45pm

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It's not out yet, methinks.
Posted: Wed, 14th Jul 2004, 9:19pm

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Cutty201 wrote:

yerpers!!!! Its out too smile NOw i need a GL3 smile
You are getting a fricking super 8 cam! why do you need that?
Posted: Wed, 14th Jul 2004, 10:57pm

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evman101 wrote:

You are getting a fricking super 8 cam! why do you need that?
Because super 8 cams aren't that great?
Posted: Thu, 15th Jul 2004, 12:19am

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Does this mean we can also expect a GL2s or GL3 maybe?
Posted: Thu, 15th Jul 2004, 12:46am

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Aculag wrote:

evman101 wrote:

You are getting a fricking super 8 cam! why do you need that?
Because super 8 cams aren't that great?
I don't care because they are still film cameras. Plus hes going on like hes getting every camera that is ever going to come out. biggrin
Posted: Thu, 15th Jul 2004, 1:06am

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You can't just say "film is film" because not all film is equal. Film is a hassle, anyway. Give me an XL2 and a handful of minidv tapes and I'm satisfied. For now anyway. Although I don't ever see a point in shooting on film again. At least not for me. I've had enough experience with it to know that I don't want to use it.

Anyway, Slick, the XL2 is canon's last standard definition camera apparently, so whatever the next one is, I bet it will be something other than a GL or XL, since it will be HD, and I bet it'll have to use some other format than minidv. Maybe.

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Posted: Thu, 15th Jul 2004, 1:08am

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Aculag wrote:

I bet it'll have to use some other format than minidv. Maybe.
We can only hope... until then, i think ill stick with my digital 8... lol. I'm poor. wink
Posted: Thu, 15th Jul 2004, 2:33am

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What's wrong with minidv?
Posted: Thu, 15th Jul 2004, 2:58am

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Aculag wrote:

What's wrong with minidv?
Nothing. Just hoping that something better (hard to do cause minidv is so good) will come out.
Posted: Thu, 15th Jul 2004, 3:37am

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evman101 wrote:

Cutty201 wrote:

yerpers!!!! Its out too smile NOw i need a GL3 smile
You are getting a fricking super 8 cam! why do you need that?
oh ya ... smile tho it's always nice to have a High End Video Cam around for Documentaries, and for when ya don't have the funds for shooting on film smile

....And in response to Aculag whose made that comment before about Super8, I disagree, Super8 is awesome imho, it's much cheaper and useable than 16mm or 35mm. Also since your shots are now that much more expensive you tend to to pay more attention to your shots and what you take and what ya dont and making sure you do enough takes before you shoot...smile well thats kinda commoin sense but it's true smile
Posted: Thu, 15th Jul 2004, 8:37pm

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You're acting like 8mm is exactly the same as 16mm or 35mm. You could spend all the time you want setting up a shot with 8mm, but a decent video camera will still look better, especially if you spend a long time setting up shots.

It's cheaper because it's not that great. I think shooting on 8mm would be cool just for an experiment, but you're acting as though you're never going to use video again now that you can shoot on 8mm. Oh well, I guess. It's your money.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 1:14am

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Better is subjective, I think the term we are looking for here is "different" and just because I want to further prove my point by having numbers on my side:

http://jl-site.com/Super8/Resolution.html

and i'll quote just a small excerpt

by Phil Fitzlaff on jl-site.com wrote:


Resolution is the number of lines that make up the picture. The more lines you have the better the picture. So with that in mind lets take a look at the various formats:
-- Regular VHS cameras have about 250 lines of horizontal resolution.
-- Super VHS cameras have about 450 lines of horizontal resolution (a 60% better picture than with regular vhs.)
-- Mini Digital Video cameras have about 525 lines of resolution (another 60% better picture than with Super vhs)
-- SUPER 8 motion picture film has about 1315 lines of resolution!
Posted: Sat, 17th Jul 2004, 2:55pm

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DAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH XL2!!!!!!!!
Posted: Sat, 17th Jul 2004, 5:24pm

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the question is, does the XL2 have more pixels than the VX2100E ?
Posted: Sat, 17th Jul 2004, 9:57pm

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VX2100

XL2

The XL2 has 680,000 pixels per CCD, thus topping the VX2100's measly 380,000 pixels per CCD. That is 300,000 more!

Canta unsure
Posted: Sun, 18th Jul 2004, 1:50am

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And the GL2 has 480,000. So 200,000 more than the GL2 as well. Kick ass.
Posted: Sun, 18th Jul 2004, 3:53am

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lol sad sad sad sad sad........... frown
but the vx2100E is still good right?
Posted: Sun, 18th Jul 2004, 9:49am

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The GL1 is still good. Just because a better camera comes out doesn't mean that older cameras suck all of a sudden.
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Actually the GL2 only had a 1/4 inch CCD while the XL series cameras have 1/3 inch CCD's which makes a huge difference. As far as picture quality the XL1/XL1s and the GL2 were about equal. The size of the CCD make a ton of difference.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/2dig.htm

That article has good information on why. I'm not saying that the GL2 is not a good camera (as I'm about to buy one), but it isn't as good of a camera as the Pro series XL cameras from Canon.

Canta unsure
Posted: Tue, 27th Jul 2004, 6:28pm

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Aculag wrote:

The GL1 is still good. Just because a better camera comes out doesn't mean that older cameras suck all of a sudden.
Profound razz
Posted: Tue, 27th Jul 2004, 11:47pm

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gent23mj wrote:

Anyone heard of the XL2 or when it will be finished, will that even be soon? Is there any literature on it on the net? What will be the difference in the XL1 and XL2?
The XL2 is due out in August September, and is now posted on the Canon USA site....and i think it boosts a 800,000 pixel per CCD? cheers

Kodemania
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Way to read the rest of the first page of the thread, pal.
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2004, 2:23am

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Maybe thats why he doesnt have any force points wink haha JK, im not a good poster either dude, no worries
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2004, 2:36am

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The XM2/GL2 will still be nicer to use - my opinion of the XL1 was very low, I didn't like its design or feel. It was a perfect tripod or documentary camera, but thats about it. Gimme an upgrade to the XM2 anyday! smile


Swing swing.
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The main problem with the XL series of cameras is the lack of a flip-out LCD screen. Though I don't use it much, it is nice to know that it's an option. The lack of LCD screens on cameras in this day and age is inexcusable, not everybody likes looking through the viewfinder and for many shots, usually in documentary style shoots, it just isn't practical to have one eye permanently attached to an eye piece in order to make sure your shot is framed correctly. This is the biggest weakness of these cameras, it isn't like there is no room, the thing is HUGE.

er-no: bring on the GL3/XM3 so that the GL2/XM2 price will drop wink

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Posted: Thu, 29th Jul 2004, 3:28pm

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cantaclaro wrote:

The main problem with the XL series of cameras is the lack of a flip-out LCD screen. Though I don't use it much, it is nice to know that it's an option. The lack of LCD screens on cameras in this day and age is inexcusable, not everybody likes looking through the viewfinder and for many shots, usually in documentary style shoots, it just isn't practical to have one eye permanently attached to an eye piece in order to make sure your shot is framed correctly. This is the biggest weakness of these cameras, it isn't like there is no room, the thing is HUGE.

er-no: bring on the GL3/XM3 so that the GL2/XM2 price will drop wink

Canta unsure
You going to buy a GL2? I may be selling in late August, early September.
Posted: Fri, 30th Jul 2004, 2:53am

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How much?

I can trade you a GL1 and some cash, or just straight up cash...!

Canta unsure
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Interesting article about DV vs Film (read the whole thing): http://www.bealecorner.com/trv900/dv-35mm.html