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MY First Time color correcting

Posted: Sun, 4th Jul 2004, 3:12am

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We should make a special forum just so ppl can show stuff and ask for comments... I am sorry to be nub but I was pretty happy with this and wanted to see what you guys thought of this. This is my very first time color correcting.


I used VirtualDub with the following filters (in this order):

MSU Denoiser
HSV adjust
levels
RGB Adjustment
blur

The reason I used blur, was because it slightly blurs the image (obviously) and makes it last sharp (obviously again) thinking on my own, video contrast very highly and film is more "mellow" anywho I figure if i use blur it'll cover up any lil video crap and give a sorta soft focus affect and "mellow" out the pic smile
Posted: Sun, 4th Jul 2004, 4:47am

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That's good, as I saw your post, I tried some on a still, my first time as well, it's quite fun I might add. Note, this is a sci-fi film, either comment, or take a whack at it and tell me what you did.

Before

After


PS- don't mind the quality, I have a horrible camera, getting a new one for my birthday.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jul 2004, 11:34am

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To Cutty201:
Good work, the "After" shot looks way better.

To Serpent:
From my point of view the other shot is a little too brownish. And the electricity kinda doesn't look very real.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jul 2004, 1:25pm

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Thanks serpent and red
What I did was I loered teh greens and blues and raised the red a tad, bvefore that I changed teh Hue slightly to give the skin a more natural look and generally bring out the color. I also used to yellow containers that were in the background of hte shot (not seen in the posted still) and they became yellow again and not a ligth yellow green. The more I think about it.... ya know if you print out on real high quality (flat not glossy) paper a color chart (or buy one) and before you film anything film that in whatever situation first you could use that as a guide for your color correcting... tho you might want to go for an entirely different look, I thinki t would help still to see how all the colors are affected by your changes smile

to serpent
I THOUGHT IT WAS FUN TOO lol I love messing with crap like this smile anywho,

I REALLY like your color corrected shot, then I read red's comment about it being a tad too brownish and I can see that now...but those grass and leaves look perfect smile You might try and lowering the red level a lil OR adding an additional RGB filter and lowering hte red that way you still have the original to go back to and it won't affect too much.

Typically flourescent light gets picked up as green (as does other white light) so lowering your greens and blues a tad usually bring out a more life like picture, tho outdoors where there is a lot of green and natural light (except in the desert and cold climates smile) There is LOTS of color you want to try to enhance and you have more range on what you'd like to change smile... I think...right now I am speaking completely in "theory" smile

As for the lightning, I agree that it doesn't look that real in the still but things like taht can change when they are animated smile What did you use for the lightening anyhow?
Posted: Sun, 4th Jul 2004, 2:45pm

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Here's some stuff I've done,
Unfortunately I lost the origionals for the two shots at the top.



I hope this shows how colour grading can impact your film.


The Top Right was from an action film, where I wanted a low-colour tone to it with a hint of 'oldness.'
That was done with blur, saturation adjustment, colour curves, sony glow & film grain.

The Top Left (same film) was supposed to be a horrible flashback where the character sees his family shot dead. I tinted the shot to give it that 'horrible' hint we were after. I also increased the contrast.

The bottom left is a fresh render from after effects.
The bottom right is the shot I wanted, where it's very dark and blue (as it's a storm). Very simple, just played about with the colourcurves again.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jul 2004, 2:49pm

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Tap, those are sweet! What program did you use?
Posted: Sun, 4th Jul 2004, 3:37pm

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I updated my shot, but it din't change too much, I will try again, going on vacation in a couple of hours.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jul 2004, 8:00pm

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I can't tell any difference between those two pics, Serpent. Except that one has a different pixel aspect ratio. smile

Cutty, those aren't bad, but they don't look really all that different. Good job nevertheless.

Tap, those are great. Especially the water pic (aren't color curves amazing!)

I'll see if I can get up some before and after pics I've done, I think they look pretty good, but it'll be nice to get some feedback.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jul 2004, 8:15pm

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Serpent, it looks like all you've done on that second one is lower the contrast.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jul 2004, 10:39pm

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TAP2, i have you new view on you as a film maker. you colorcorrection, is amazing, on the first picture, the second picture is pretty good too. i hope you get on MSN so we can Chat.
peace out
Posted: Sun, 4th Jul 2004, 10:51pm

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Ok, people need to remember that color grading is NOT the same thing as color correcting. Cutty's first example shows color correcting. The rest of these are color grading.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jul 2004, 11:02pm

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here is a 2 shots from "K-text" look at the huge difference color correction did.

tell me what you think. please.
peace out
Posted: Mon, 5th Jul 2004, 1:27am

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hmmm the blue feel to the second shot ssjaaron, does not make it look like the action seq ( if thats what the pictures shows razz ) I like the warm tone in the first one. Tipically i would give it a blue tone, if the shot takes place at nighttime biggrin
Posted: Mon, 5th Jul 2004, 1:46am

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no the blue gives it a cold or dark feeling. i hope you know what i mean.
peace out
Posted: Mon, 5th Jul 2004, 1:44pm

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well if thats what you wanted wink I can say until i know what the shot is bout razz biggrin
Posted: Mon, 5th Jul 2004, 2:10pm

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TAP2 - that is really good work on the color correction of that water shot - really impressive!

BTW - did you ever post your clip of tsunami in the end?
Posted: Mon, 5th Jul 2004, 4:30pm

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Yeah, my first one sucked, I did another one that looks nice, too bad I am in Connecticut...
Posted: Mon, 5th Jul 2004, 8:21pm

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Serpent wrote:

too bad I am in Connecticut...
...Why is that a problem? Are you away from your computer?
Posted: Tue, 6th Jul 2004, 12:15am

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I like that final one ssjaaron it looks a lot better.
Posted: Tue, 6th Jul 2004, 1:40am

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Yeah, I am not at my house, thus I do't have access to my computer.
Posted: Tue, 6th Jul 2004, 3:32am

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Serpent are you from the New england area? Cuz i am in RI?
Posted: Tue, 6th Jul 2004, 4:25pm

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It's hard to distinguish between the two terms.

The above two were 'Colour Corrected'
known to me as 'removing the amateurish look'
The bottom two were 'Colour Graded'
known to me as 'creating an effect'

I've allways been a 'color correction' freak. It annoys me when I see really good films submited in the cinema that are let down by a horrible uncorrected, amateurish appearances.
As I said, when you colour correct/grade - go for a mood.
There's no point in increasing the blue tones for no reason, this is what everyone seems to do and it shows up an 'inexperienced colour grader.'
However, I actually quite like ssjaaron's final shot. It's not to exagerated, and does capture that darker/realistic mood he's searching for.
I did the same with the top left clip.

When you look out the window as it's getting dark. What colour do you see?
BLUE. This is why blue works wonders with evening scenes.
I completely overexagerated the blues with the psunami clip, to give the darkish, stormy, evil feeling I was after.
As for the final tsunami clip, It will be featured in a film being filmed right now.

If I had to go for some basic guidelines to remove the amateur look,
this is what I'd reccomend.

- Desaturation or Increased Saturation.
(sounds strange, but it entirely depends on what you're trying to do)
E.G I'd use desaturation with evening scene, and increased saturation with a following indoor scene to create a 'warm' feeling to the viewer.

- Colour Curves or Increased Darkness/Contrast.
This is compulsory with all my movies.
1) It removes visible grain.
2) It helps create depth, between dark and light objects.
3) It removes horrible jagged edges.
4) A Solid black colour for black objects looks much more natural and lessfake than a multi-toned black object.

NOTE - I'm no 'Expert,' this whole topic is simply common sense and entirely depend on YOU as the director.
Posted: Tue, 6th Jul 2004, 4:41pm

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Here are some more examples, all from the same film.
Once again, I'm sorry I don't have the origionals and the DivX file on my computer has made them much brighter than usuall.

Posted: Tue, 6th Jul 2004, 4:59pm

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Cutty201 wrote:

Serpent are you from the New england area? Cuz i am in RI?
No, well, I grew up there, now I am in Virginia Beach, I am now visiting my Grandpa in Connecticut and am about to go to Cape Cod tommorow.
Posted: Tue, 6th Jul 2004, 5:14pm

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Wow! Very cool and helpful!
Posted: Tue, 6th Jul 2004, 5:32pm

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Tap2 agian i am amazed at your artistic eye. looks awsome, +1 to me.
peace out, oh and what what that First* screen shots of the kid with the gun in his face?
Posted: Tue, 6th Jul 2004, 9:42pm

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peace out, oh and what what that First* screen shots of the kid with the gun in his face?
I remind you that we're not all adults on here!!!
Having said that, that film is about 2 years old...

I'm really pleased you all like the screenshots. Most of all I hope you find them useful and informative.
Posted: Wed, 7th Jul 2004, 12:56am

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i really liked that First* screne shot it, reminds me (or what i vision) what Dusk will be like. i was saying i really Really Really!!!! liked it, i want to see a trailer of it or somthing.
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peace out
Posted: Wed, 7th Jul 2004, 4:46pm

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Hi,

I'm glad you like it.
As I had a bit of free time I made this. (the origional is top left)

(All made entirely and solely from Vegas Video 4, with STANDARD plugins)



I'd never use the origional shot.
Depending on the film, I'd use one of the others.

For example, if my film was being made in a hot country, I may use the bottom right yellowish one.
Posted: Thu, 8th Jul 2004, 6:01pm

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[quote="TAP2"]The bottom left is a fresh render from after effects.
quote]

How can that be made in AE? Was the water mede in some 3D program first? Anyway taht looks great!
Posted: Thu, 8th Jul 2004, 6:32pm

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An After Effects plugin - Psunami.

It creates realistic looking waves.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2004, 2:43pm

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Any good plugins for premiere in the way of grading/colour?
Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2004, 2:52pm

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video/color finnese
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Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2004, 9:47pm

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Or MagicBullet HD