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Color Graded Fottage 2

Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2004, 10:07am

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I have done a new test on color grading for my new movie. I just wondered what you thought about it. It was done in Canopus Edius 2.5.



Sorry about that motion in the hand that makes it go kinda strange smile .

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Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2004, 10:32am

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Hmm.. The color looks fine in the before shot to me. You haven't "corrected" this footage, you've "graded" it. Why is it so hard for people to understand the difference?
Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2004, 11:11am

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Ok, I changed the Subject.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2004, 11:13am

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It depends on what u want to accomplish but i like the first one better.

Reason
the first one has color, so if ur color correcting that one looks better
And the second one looks washed out. Like, it looks pretty cool its just harder to make out where the guys at.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2004, 12:31pm

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The original looks better, as N8man said, it just looked plain bad, it could work as an flashback or something like that, but otherwize I should keep it as it is. The XL1s has beautifull colors, use it correctly smile
Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2004, 12:40pm

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We just had a massive topic on colour corrections?
Why didn't you post it in there? biggrin

After looks false, it seems to hint that it's a dream/flashback etc
The first is good, but perhaps increase the contrast and mid tones. Also I'd VERY slightly desaturate it.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2004, 12:43pm

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I thought of using that color grading onto a flashback, thats true.

Thanks for the tips everyone. smile

EDIT: I have tried the suggestion TAP2 gave me. What do you think about it?

Before:
http://www.rhp.se/before.jpg

After:
http://www.rhp.se/after.jpg
Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2004, 2:23pm

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I looked at all the images you have posted in this topic, and the before shots are a world better. It looks like you filmed your movie with a Sony Handycam -(i would know...)- and not lit it or tried to use any tricks to get it to look nice.

As for that much desaturation, in the clip - well, that made it look worse. I am a fan of bright colors. I enjoy colors. None of this "Color/B&W" stuff for me...lol. Do increase contrast. That will bring out the color and make the blacks .... black.

Now, dont go overboard with color. Use what you have filmed, and as Andreas said, Canon Xl1ses have good color and look. Take advantage of that.

Andrew biggrin
Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2004, 3:08pm

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i like the first one better too, just adjust the levels a bit and/or add some contrast for a basic HD kinda look.
NOTE FOR EVERYONE: if your trying to match your video to a specific films stock its color correcting otherwise if you give it a look etc its called color grading.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2004, 3:22pm

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AndrewtheActorMan wrote:

It looks like you filmed your movie with a Sony Handycam
Actually it was filmed with my other camera, a Sony DCR-PC9. It was because my tripod for the XL1s is broken so good guessed, Andrew.

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Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2004, 6:38pm

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Redhawksrymmer wrote:

It was because my tripod or the XL1s is broken
Wait... You don't know which one is broken?
Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2004, 7:02pm

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Aculag wrote:

Redhawksrymmer wrote:

It was because my tripod or the XL1s is broken
Wait... You don't know which one is broken?
That would stink if you had to fix both!

And yes, the before images are way better. The after images look like they were shot in Hi8.
Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2004, 9:36pm

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As for that much desaturation, in the clip - well, that made it look worse. I am a fan of bright colors. I enjoy colors. None of this "Color/B&W" stuff for me...lol. Do increase contrast. That will bring out the color and make the blacks .... black.
Directed at me heh?

Well, I agree. I'm a vivid person too, I like colours. I'm a huge fan of colours, BUT... he's trying to capture a feeling of the area through the image - and this feeling is mostly captured by colours.

If he wants to get that gritty, urban feeling of the area then he wants to use low-saturated colours and high contrast.
It looks fake if you made a scene shot in the city very brightly coloured, especially during the day. I can understand at night, it'd be very different.

Get what I mean?
Posted: Sat, 10th Jul 2004, 9:52pm

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I might have phrased my comment above a bit badly.

The desaturation is a good thing, i know. But I meant to say that he did it a bit too much. Try making it not that much, cuz in my opinion it makes it look Sony Handycamish. The second (AFTER) shot is what i said looked like a handycam. I was impressed of the colors in the first. Its just that the amount of color taken out was a bit too much. Thats my opinion.

So, not directed to you Tap, but i think you were joking. But I just wanted to clear that up for everyone. And about these "Color correcting/color grading"...etc. topics, try just making a film and using the technique as I think it would show off better. In film you set up a certain mood and this will effect the way you color correct and grade your footage for that scene. And for that picture, the image doesn't show the mood.

Andrew biggrin
Posted: Sun, 11th Jul 2004, 7:42am

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was playing around in combustion and ae so i decided to try and grade your pic.
Here's what i'v come up with.....
1. a kinda sunny day look, day look just gave it a warmish tone, added contrast and some diffusion
http://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v148/billyfx/sunnyday.jpg
2. Just with the curves and increated the saturation, to give it a kinda color full feel, lol dont mind the grain smile Trying out combustion's grain managment toolz wink
http://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v148/billyfx/ColourFull.jpg
3. Very little adjustment, a very common look to mimic film or hd
http://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v148/billyfx/SimpleLook.jpg

I prefer the color full look, i really like its soft tone. biggrin
Posted: Sun, 11th Jul 2004, 8:16am

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Oh, Aculag, sorry, typed in wrong. My tripod FOR the Xl1s is broken.

Billy3d, that grading looks awesome.
Posted: Sun, 11th Jul 2004, 9:51am

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I'd present it like this, perhaps with a tint of film grain to further capture the urban style.

Posted: Sun, 11th Jul 2004, 8:26pm

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Personally, I prefer the first over any of the graded/corrected/altered/whatever-ed shots that have been presented here. TAP2 - I think that last one is MILES too dark, I couldn't watch a film graded like that.

I don't see what the fuss is over grading/correcting. None of the graded shots that have been posted over the last few weeks, or infact, ever, have impressed me, or made me think "Boy! This guy knows how to make films!".

Why do I say this? It looks to me like there's a HUGE trend round here, and amongst many other amateur film-makers, to do 'stuff' to your footage; which, I feel, adds less than a well crafted script or shrewd angle and shot choices would.

I think too many people are getting caught up in trying to create work that looks good but has no substance to it - and I would have thought that the recent wave of "Look-what-I-can-do-to-my-footage" pictures, rather than posting completed films that utilise such techniques, would give evidence for this...

I think that when colour grading/correcting is done well, then the audience shouldn't notice - it should just add to the mood of the scene, and pass you by; not be glaringly obvious in a "I'm-trying-to-look-professional!!!!!" way.

Just IMHO smile

Cheers,
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Posted: Sun, 11th Jul 2004, 8:43pm

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keep in mind that these are all tests. I have graded all my recent films after they are done. To give the visuals that extra punch. Grading gives the audience a sense of professionalism. Someone who doesn't grade his footage may be regarded by his audience as an amateur and his films dismissed as pure home movies. Grading also can set a specific mood for your film that might be hard to achieve with out grading.

Grading is very important if you want to be taken seriously. All these pics are just tests.
Posted: Sun, 11th Jul 2004, 9:37pm

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TAP2, agian that is exactlly what i would have done. remeber peolpe contrast, contrast.
peace out
Posted: Sun, 11th Jul 2004, 9:53pm

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I like TAP2's best, it gives a more city-ish look to it somehow.
Posted: Sun, 11th Jul 2004, 11:19pm

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where is the big jpeg i wanan color grade up in this fohizzay
Posted: Sun, 11th Jul 2004, 11:51pm

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hor bort thirs ... (how bout this smile)
I think it still has a tad bit too much yellow but, meh:


Posted: Mon, 12th Jul 2004, 9:17am

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Personally, I prefer the first over any of the graded/corrected/altered/whatever-ed shots that have been presented here. TAP2 - I think that last one is MILES too dark, I couldn't watch a film graded like that.

I don't see what the fuss is over grading/correcting. None of the graded shots that have been posted over the last few weeks, or infact, ever, have impressed me, or made me think "Boy! This guy knows how to make films!".

Why do I say this? It looks to me like there's a HUGE trend round here, and amongst many other amateur film-makers, to do 'stuff' to your footage; which, I feel, adds less than a well crafted script or shrewd angle and shot choices would.
Firstly, If a film is shot poorly - then it's never going to look stunning.
I'm not being rude, but this shot isn't exactly amazing.

I think the whole idea of colour grading is great, it allows you to be creative and if you know what you're doing - the end result will be better.
Imagine in a film like 'Underworld,' they'd left all the shots ungraded - it would have looked awful.

Of course it's not allways necessary to tweek your footage, but as I've said countless times - it all depends on what effect you're trying to create on your audience. Common sense?

See this (top left is origional)
Do you honestly think the origional is the best out of the selection?
http://mercury.walagata.com/w/tap2/wow.JPG
Posted: Mon, 12th Jul 2004, 7:24pm

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..um ya could I just get a "OMG CUTTY YOU ARE A GENIUS HOW DID YOU DO THAT" smile ....

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but ya TAP is right.... damn... but ya grading it the way you want it to look is dependent totally on you and if your original shot is full of color and is just perfectly shot you have free range over how you want it to look. The rule of thumb is "Garbage in, Garbage out" smile
Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004, 3:01pm

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Personally, I prefer the first over any of the graded/corrected/altered/whatever-ed shots that have been presented here. TAP2 - I think that last one is MILES too dark, I couldn't watch a film graded like that.
Check your monitor's settings. biggrin
It doesn't look TOO dark to me.