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Matrix Factions -Trailer LoRes

Posted: Tue, 13th Jul 2004, 2:46pm

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This is a trailer for an up and coming Matrix mini-series, Matrix Factions. It was our idea, more like a spin off to the series. It directly follows after the end of the 3rd movie, Matrix Revolutions. As a continuation of the movie trilogy, it introduces new characters and a similar plot design. Strictly a "fun to watch" (and make) mini-series for those who love the Matrix. Be sure to watch it! Have fun and good ahead pull up a chair and enjoy the show. Thank you for listening. Thus the movie downloading begins.
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Posted: Thu, 15th Jul 2004, 6:51pm

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...where should i start?

editing=very, very bad
acting=forced, unconvinving and contrived
effects=....no comment

as a reminder, just because you have people wearing sunglasses and fighting with (BAD) swishing sound effects and you decide to use the ghosting video effect alot doesnt really mean its anything at all like the matrix.
Posted: Thu, 15th Jul 2004, 7:35pm

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Bryce007 wrote:

...where should i start?

editing=very, very bad
acting=forced, unconvinving and contrived
effects=....no comment

as a reminder, just because you have people wearing sunglasses and fighting with (BAD) swishing sound effects and you decide to use the ghosting video effect alot doesnt really mean its anything at all like the matrix.
You're mother would be very unhappy with you...
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 1:27am

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I hate to have to say stuff like that, but i tend to be blatant
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 3:17am

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ok Jesus "Bryce007" I'll admit the bullet affect wasn't great . The dust effects weren't that good either. The acting? You barely even saw any in the trailer to begin with, since it was mostly action sequences. The swishing noises I thought weren't that bad, but do you have any ideas were i can get better ones? (No Sarcasm intended) And the editing, i know is may not bethe greatest, but what was so bad about it. Please enlighten me. Im all fine for receiving criticism, but try at least a little bit to not sound so vindictive. By the way are any of your projects on this site, I would like to see what a good movie is like. Thanks. XOXO
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 3:24am

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interesting.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 8:59am

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hope you dont think im being over critical here but this is just my opinion and hopefully you'll take that on board as a means to improve upon your project and make something really good from it.

anyway... here goes.

I think your main problem is with editing - the sound of the song jumps from loud to quiet in a very jarring way - there's no subtlety to it and although its purpose is to aid the hearing of the dialogue, the dialogue is still too quiet to be understood.

Also - try using better locations - cos in all honesty it just looks like you're having a laugh in a nice peaceful suburb - there's no real atmosphere to the piece - try some night shots, some bad weather, some forestry areas, abandoned buildings - film in places that are aesthetically pleasing it gives your image more layers and will look a lot more convincing for a low budget. so many films on here are set in lounges, backyards - the ones that I like and remember are the ones that stick out in my mind, the ones that take you away from your home - like BRUK for example.

Also if i were you i'd work a little more on your fight sequences - im not sure if the people used are trained at all but try watching a bunch of HK Martial Arts movies (they really know how to film a fight scene) then carefully note the angles used, the pacing of the editing between each shot, and also the speed of the moves. do a little research, run some tests on some sequences and you'll be surprised how much your action scenes will improve.

Hope this helps.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 9:16pm

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Thanks man thats the kind of criticism i need not just some guy saying it is bad and not suggesting any means to improve it. On the fight scenes we simply just think of ideas and try our best to execute them. A few of us have training, myself when i was oh about 11 or twelve (I am 17 now) and two others that are going to help out have had extensive training. With all of my projects I always have problems with hearing the Dialogue. I have invested in a digital microphone, but its still difficult to hear the actors some times, any suggestions? And then there is the time editing I try to take pride in that so I really put a lot of effort into it. Instead of bringing it down so quickly what do you suggest i do. Perhaps have it at a lower level to begin with? And lastly there is location. Yeah I know it is in the suburbs, but you should see were I live. The entire city is a suburb and there are no real bad or industrial parts of town. We would try to leave town to film, but that really isn't an option for us. We have already finished episodes 1- 4 so not much i can do now. I debating whether or not to post them since not to many people find our work entertaining. Thanks for the criticism though, it helps since No one I know (except my friends who are in the film) has any interest in making movies.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 10:23pm

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Mate - dont put off posting ur work just because you feel they may not be well recieved. At the end of the day - it could go either way - and you could actually have a product that a lot of people will like and praise you for.

The worst case scenario is that it's not liked - but regardless of maybe one or two "pointless" comments you will find some constructive criticism from a viewer that may help you in your goal to make it. After all - as much as we all say we are our own worst critics - its never totally true unless you're watching it with an objective audience. When its just you and the material you can be blinded into believing its better than it is (something i've done countless times) I've had the benefit of seeing my film screened 3 times infront of an audience now - and each time I pick up a bunch of edits I want to make - i won't make them to it (as i've left that film go a long time ago) however, I have learnt from them not to make the same mistakes again.

In terms of your sound - what you've done for the music is to have it go immediately to a lower volume level, you really should fade it gradually (this doesn't have to be a long drawn out gradual fade) as if you simply have the sound levels between audible dialogue and music close its only a minor change. Seeing as you've invested in an external microphone you really should have better results than that.

I don't know your recording setup so i cant say exactly what to do - but before shooting anything I always do a couple of sound tests to see what quality the audio is before doing a take. It should only take about 5 - 10 mins to sort out any problems and is worth it in the long run.

As for locations I'd imagine that even in a pre-dominantly suburb area there must be tight locations (like an alleyway or anywhere thats slightly grimy).

Hope this helps and that you're not still discouraged to post - we're all learning here - and exposure of our work is the only way forward. I wish you good luck with the rest of the series.
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 6:41am

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Alright. I consulted my mother, and she tells me of this strange yet illogical rule that im supposedly supposed to abide by. "if you cant say something nice, talk undescriptive shit about a matrix fanfilm because you didnt find enjoyment in the watching of it"

But hey, thats just my mom for ya! tard
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 8:31am

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ghevans

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That's odd cos i always considered it to be constructive criticism.

At the end of the day - I didnt think it was good - but what i offered was far more than just .....

editing=very, very bad
acting=forced, unconvinving and contrived
effects=....no comment
The above won't help anyone - i mean this is a community of wannabe filmmakers - and we all want to succeed at what we enjoy doing, if something we do is considered bad then yes we want to know - but what is more important is that we know "HOW" to make it better.

If throwing insults at a film that someone spent time making is your bag then fair enough, but I personally dont see what either you or the person you're insulting will gain from offering no insight whatsoever into why you didnt like it.
Posted: Thu, 22nd Jul 2004, 3:42pm

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The flow on this trailer seemed a little strange to me. It wasn't necessarily bad, but the editing could have been improved to make it much better. I noticed the music cut in and out rather harshly. Also, the dialogue didn't seem to go together that well.

However, the fighting wasn't bad. It was a bit slow, but you were doing some pretty good looking martial arts. If you are able to do the fighting a bit faster, I'd say the fighting could be really good.

Although it's yet another Matrix spin-off, I'm interested to see how these turn out; with some good editing, I bet they could be pretty decent.
Posted: Wed, 13th Oct 2004, 12:07am

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cool
Posted: Wed, 13th Oct 2004, 2:54am

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bryce i dont see anything in the cinema from you