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Posted: Sun, 24th Feb 2002, 9:53pm

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How do you make the res widescreen through premier?

i dont care if i lose pic at bottom, top
Posted: Sun, 24th Feb 2002, 11:20pm

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I use the the great free program VirtualDub to make my films widescreen. You can probably find it on any search engine.

If you do get it and use it, load your video, then go to filters, click add, then go to resize. Check the box Expand frame and letterbox image, on new height change to the following - for 2.35:1 enter 136
for 1.85:1 enter 172

Of course the following is for a frame size of 320x240.
Posted: Mon, 25th Feb 2002, 12:44am

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ok, im playing around with it.

when resizing does it resize images or get rid of the manual black that i added or what?

what i did in premier was add black bars to top/bottom, than rendering with nothing in the middle, and used motion to make sure nothing important cut off

what will it change here?
Posted: Mon, 25th Feb 2002, 4:23am

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When using VirtualDub, you don't have to add the black bars at the top and bottom. You should load your original video with it's original formating, for instance if the original video is an AVI in 320x240 and all you've done is added effects or anything in Alamdv or any other program. Once you load make sure you've checked the Letterboxing, and then resize the height until it's satisfactory to you. For instance, changing the height on 320x240 to a new size of 320x136 will give you a near perfect 2.35:1 screen size with the black bars automatically added.
Posted: Tue, 26th Feb 2002, 1:01am

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what should the cropping be at bottom/top

the #
Posted: Tue, 26th Feb 2002, 1:36am

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yo, kids its dirtyGeeza,

The simplest way is to create a mask (rectangular shape with an alpha channel) on a black or white background in either photoshop or illustrator! Then import into premiere and superimpose on the video layer track. (mask layer imported from photoshop or illustrator on top, video layer with video foogate underneath) Ok, Good Boy! Hope this helps
Posted: Tue, 26th Feb 2002, 3:59am

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That's actually how i used to do it,

but when i wanted a view from web file, u SAW that black and that is very annoying
Posted: Tue, 26th Feb 2002, 5:41pm

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Just cut the top and bottom off, why add black bars?
Posted: Tue, 26th Feb 2002, 6:47pm

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I dont know the dimensions in premier.

if i did, i wouldn't be asking now would i?
Posted: Wed, 27th Feb 2002, 1:32am

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From what I can recall, can't you just import in widescreen to begin with?
Posted: Wed, 27th Feb 2002, 6:18pm

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i tried
Posted: Thu, 28th Feb 2002, 3:07am

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hey

in virtualdub, i cant find an option to save as a quicktime movie.

i found it in premier, but not making widescreen

can i save as a .mov with virtualdub?

if so than how?

thanks
Posted: Fri, 1st Mar 2002, 3:11am

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No, virtualdub only does avi. Quicktime is not a standard editing format on the PC because it has to be licensed from Apple and the quicktime API is very restrictive.

As some people have noticed not having the pro version of quicktime limits what you can export as from certain programs.

Premier has support mainly because it is available on both Mac and PC.

Pro systems tend to use their own formats internally and so only export to avi on the PC as you are usually expected to reencode for release and if you were planning to make quicktime you would be expected to have quicktime pro or one of the more serious encoders (like the sorenson one or CCE)
Posted: Fri, 1st Mar 2002, 3:24am

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PS 16:9 Widescreen in a DV 4:3 size would be 720x405 for square pixels although because neither pal or ntsc is actually 4:3 you prolly have to adjust that a little to get a true 16:9 pic on a 4:3 tv.

Proper DV widescreen squishes a 864x480 image down to 720x480(ntsc) or 1024x576 to 720x576(pal).

Some good standard release sizes for computer based distribution are 320x240 for 4:3 and 352x198 for 16:9 widescreen. This allows you to get a reasonable quality for slow and medium motion clips at around 900kbps with the MPEG4 based codecs. (obviously using a 2pass encoder or the opendivx 2pass option would signficantly boost quality)

[ This Message was edited by: Kid on 2002-03-01 03:48 ]
Posted: Fri, 1st Mar 2002, 4:38am

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so what your saying is i need to buy quicktime pro to render into widescreen format without the black bars?


because in premier i have it like that, and than i export through cleaner, the aspect stays, but it adds black bars and its REALLY annotying, not too pleaseing to look at, but still better than full frame.

How was the widescreen quicktime version done for the matrix bullet time clip?

thanks
Posted: Sun, 21st Apr 2002, 6:41pm

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dood are yu nuts, basically what you are trying to do is make an anamorphic film, that is wide screen without the "black bars" there is nothing wrong with "black bars" I dont think they are annoying and all films are filmed wide screen with "black annoying bars" which represent unused film area, anyway my 2 cents
Posted: Mon, 6th May 2002, 3:28am

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well, they are, unless you're on a widescreen tv, than they disappear, unless of course, the black are part of the image, which shows up as extra black and makes it look shitty on a widescreen tv

either way, i found a while ago
Posted: Thu, 11th Jul 2002, 12:11am

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You arnt making anamorphic widescreen, thats when it is squished. That is the proper format for dv and if you have a dv camera/player that supports it it offers a much higher res picture.

If you are making footage just for the computer its best to take off the bars because they go back on automatically when you play it full screen to watch or to record through an analogue connection.

The reason you don't want them is because it takes A LOT of your bandwidth to encode the detail of the hard edges between the black bit and the actual picture which means that your picture will not look as good when the bitrate is fixed or if you are using quality based encoding it'll make your file bigger (something like 30%!)

The only time you should use them is when you want to export back to dv and don't have a camera that supports proper widescreen. This is not so good because a lot of the time sticking black bars over the top and bottom of your footage will actually take more bits to compress than the original strips of footage and make your remaining picture lower quality than before you added them!
Posted: Sat, 20th Jul 2002, 1:16pm

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anonymous

if u want to output a widescreen compression, so the video you ouput is 16:9 instead of 4:2. simply open adobe premier or (i use this cos i think it is much better and easier to use) ulead media studio pro 6 video editor. Load in a video from either a widescreen broadcasted film OR some of your footage which your video camera has auto added black lines at the top and bottom. Then, go into your project propeties and the preview window should be resolution 720 x 576. in the auto aspect ration ajuster, type in 16:9 so it makes the resolution something like 720 x 250 (i suck at maths). the in ur video editor, add a moving path but keep the video in its same position, but stretch the clip vertical until the black lines dissapear. then you just add it to the memory so u don't have 2 do this everytime. and then you can output a nice bit of Reel Widescreen film.
Posted: Sat, 20th Jul 2002, 1:42pm

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These maybe of interest

A Premier Plug in (free).

http://www.mykaskin.freeserve.co.uk/myksvideopages/anamorphic.html#letterbox

and also....


http://www.geocities.com/wunder01au/widescreen.html

Some really good info on these sites and a free plug in for Premier.

Hope they help.