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Dell XPS

Should I buy it?

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Posted: Wed, 14th Jul 2004, 10:40pm

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I'm looking to buy a new computer for my filmmaking. I have 2 questions.


1. I hear dell makes really crapy/unrelyable computer, true?


2. What do you think of the XPS?

The ad says its the best dell computer for multi-meadia. Video editing, gaming, memory, playing DVD's ect. It also come's with a free digital camera.

And it looks really cool smile

I'd like to see what you have to say if you own it. If not go here: http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/dimen_xps3?c=us&cs=&l=en&s=dhs&


Tell me what you think
Posted: Wed, 14th Jul 2004, 10:50pm

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Buy it.
Posted: Wed, 14th Jul 2004, 11:02pm

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I say buy it, my friend has one and it is a really nice computer.
Posted: Wed, 14th Jul 2004, 11:05pm

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Dell make very reliable and high end computers.

Best PC Ive brought is sitting under me at the moment.
Posted: Thu, 15th Jul 2004, 12:02am

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I'd go with a gateway.

Better yet, the new Sony Vaio's really kick ass.


EDIT: Checked out their website...

Dell kills you if you try to upgrade it at all. Goto Fry's Electronics...They have much better and MUCH CHEAPER computers there.

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Posted: Thu, 15th Jul 2004, 12:05am

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In consumer reports Gateway had more than twice the number of malfunctions that Dell computers had.
Posted: Thu, 15th Jul 2004, 12:05am

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I have had my gateway for 3 years with minimal if not problems that most pc's would go through.

Honestly though, if there is a Frys around your area check it out.

Or goto www.outpost.com

That's their online website.


EDIT:

http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4060762

This one is so much better than the one you were looking at for cheaper...Not trying to hit on Dell or anything, just trying to help you out.
Posted: Thu, 15th Jul 2004, 2:34am

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Dell's are TOTALLY reliable etc etc etc

had one for almost 2 years i think - not one problem with it - amazing machine biggrin

buy it

-MAGIC
Posted: Thu, 15th Jul 2004, 3:20am

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save yourself some $$$ and build your own and build a better comp for the same firiggin price
Posted: Thu, 15th Jul 2004, 3:26am

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xbreaka wrote:

save yourself some $$$ and build your own and build a better comp for the same firiggin price
Umm, that wouldn't save you any money. But it is a lot better idea.
Posted: Thu, 15th Jul 2004, 3:50am

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hell ya it would ave ye money, get me the specs of the dell zps and ill fire up a price list. wait nm omg dont buy that, it uses ddr2 ram, which will be a bitch to replace if ye ever wanna buy anymore. heres what ill reccomend you do instead as i said before build 1! heres my reccomended specs

processor=amd ahtlon 64 3400+ http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-426&depa=1

motherboard= abit kv8-http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-127-177&depa=1

ram=corsair value select dual channel kit 512x2
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-145-480&depa=1

video card= ati radeon 9800pro(great card own it myself)
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-286&depa=1

hard drives-
system drive= western digital raptor(sata(serial ata) interface)
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-144-200&depa=1

media drive=western digital cavier(sata inferface)
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-144-151&depa=1

cd burner/dvd burner- plextor cd burner and dvd burner combo
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27-131-327&depa=1

case and power supply-
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27-131-327&depa=1


Well there you go theres my personal reccomendations, i did not include a monitor or keyboard or mouse so looks around and pick what you like, this setup should make you a rock solid video editing pc way better than that dell, the 64 bit proc will keep you rocking for the new 64 bit apps, because in this setup theres 2 sata drives, and only one ide device you will have a free ideo channel incase you want to add another dvd burner, or a 3rd harddrive, the 9800 pro will be able tp play all the newest games as well as crunch through rendering and other video card heavy stuff, that 37 gb system drive will load your os quickly, your programs will load faster, and that 120gb media drive will hold all your raw footage and anything else you can throw at it.

Well im out, if anyone wants to make reccomendations to this setup feel free to, but after building 7 computers this is what id reccomend

Peace, xbreaka
Posted: Thu, 15th Jul 2004, 4:02am

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xbreaka wrote:

save yourself some $$$ and build your own and build a better comp for the same firiggin price
Posted: Thu, 15th Jul 2004, 4:52am

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I have said it once... and I am going to say it again smile www.MGEPCONLINE.com customize what you want and they'll build it for you, it's the best of both worlds, you get a REAL computer (which pwn's) and you'll be saving your self WORLDS of trouble, I've recommended it to ALL my friends, at work these guys are our SOLE vendor for complete systems, and two ppl on THIS VERY board have ordered a PC from these people (you can ask these guys for their opinion if you'd like). I, personally, have had MANY Problems with dell computers and have NO LIKING WHATSOEVER for their technical support staff. Besides Dell WILL AND DOES screw you over with proprietary parts and older parts they charge you more for (Like getting "a Geforce card and DDR RAM!" equating to a GF2/3 with DDR2100) Dell is bad news.

so once again I plug www.MGEPCONline.com CHECK THEIR www.resellerRatings.com rating... it's like a 9.66 out of 10! IF you need help customizing a PC let me know and I'll help ya out smile
Posted: Thu, 15th Jul 2004, 11:41pm

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XPS is not bad smile

However... whoever talked about how Dell kicks you (lol razz) when you try to upgrade... Ive upgraded quite a few parts before, replaced a motherboard before as a piece came off of it lol, and uhm, Dell had NOTHING to do with it, Dell NEVER has ANYTHING to do with upgrading ANYTHING, and if they do, you arent computer-smart razz

I on the other hand, wub the Alienware I'm getting ^__^ razz
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 1:09am

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Ryan wrote:

In consumer reports Gateway had more than twice the number of malfunctions that Dell computers had.
Didn't Gateway have a "trade in your old PC for a new one" deal a while back? cool

But for the XPS, don't buy it. You can get a custom built for a lot cheaper. I'm thinking of building one for ~$1200 at close specs:
P4 HT 2.8 GHz
1GB PC3200 RAM
36GB 10000RPM Boot Drive
250GB (Will get more later on) Media drive
256MB ATI Radeon Sapphire 9600 Pro (w/dual display)
DVD Burner
Win XP Pro

Of course as I said, the XPS has better specs but even if you were to custom build it from another place or build your own, it would still be much cheaper.

DarkJedi07 wrote:

I on the other hand, wub the Alienware I'm getting ^__^
Alienware is way too expensive so I don't see why you'd want it. I once customized the same Alienware computer for ~$700 less with Dell.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 1:16am

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alienware used to be good but now there name costs money
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 1:45am

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Well I know if schwar sees this thread hes gonna go on about getting a mac, so are may other poeple so Im gonna save them some time.

Get a mac, Ive been looking into getting one but I cant afford it just yet sence I cant get a job.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 1:46am

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Not worth it. He's most likely looking in the 2k price range as well.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 1:49am

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I say if you cant afford a mac, then either get this or use the money to build yourself a custom pc you will spend the same amount and the computer will be much better. The only dis advantage is no support if you build it yoruself smile, thats incouragement to build it right.

I say buy it then.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 1:56am

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Slick wrote:

The only dis advantage is no support if you build it yoruself smile
You mean to say centralized support which is no disadvantage at all. You get better support with building a PC because you get a separate warranty for each part. If your motherboard breaks down, call ABIT!

And plus, since when was technical support ever knowledgable? You realize that ~87% of all tech representatives are just people who are talented (according to standards these days) readers and have the ability to read topics on their company's knowledge base.

I am 97% sure that when you call Dell, you can easily hear the clicks at the representative's keyboard.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 2:11am

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well i never have that luxury cus i buy all my comp building stuff oem so it dont come wiff warranty and such which saves$$ but doesn't give you as good piece of mind as if you get the retail
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 1:21pm

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Are you in the UK?

If Yes... Go With 'Evesham'
Their site is www.evesham.com

Why?
- Excellent performance
- Outstanding Customer Service
- Fantastic Prices
- Made from DECENT, RELIABLE components
- They allow manual upgrades that don't affect the warranty.


This would ROCK for video editing.
http://www.evesham.com/PCs/Info.asp?e=00B849AA-809F-466A-BA5E-6B1009629AD4

Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition
Intel Pentium 4 3.0GHz (1MB cache, 800MHz) processor
512MB dual channel DDR RAM (PC3200) 400MHz
160GB 7200rpm hard drive with 8MB buffer
128MB DDR ATI Radeon 9800SE All-in-Wonder graphics with TV-out & DVI
17" Viewsonic VX715 (TFT) DVI monitor
£1,200 inc VAT.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 3:17pm

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omg dude, even if you buy from there they still charge extra because of labor involved, become a man and build your comp yourself.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 3:33pm

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Or, yes, you can build one yourself, but consider the following (seriously)

- If you screw up, there's no going back and there's no money back.
If you forget to instal memory without using antistatic wrist bands and you kill it, then you won't get a free replacement.

- You don't get free warranty. For Xmple, if your PSU (power supply unit) blows up and damages your pc. Then it's your problem.

- You MUST know exactly what you're doing... and in order to know what you're doing you have to learn how to do it and be interested in the subject. You can't just buy loads of components and bang them togethor, it's like trying to feed a cat Apricot Juice - it won't drink it.

- Spastics can be foolish and end up experiencing severe electric shocks.

- It requires LOADS of patience, because It may not work first time.
There's nothing more irritating than getting a blankscreen after putting a pc togethor.


I built a pc for someone who wanted very low-spec options, but at the end of the day... I'd reccomend you pay the extra for the assurance.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 5:52pm

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if ye can read a motherboard manual and plug shit in and use a screwdriver correctly you can build a computer
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 7:12pm

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Just thought I'd say that www.ibuypower.com has some really inexpensive and reliable pc's that you can fully customize. It's the cheapest I've seen on the net and has been reviewed as really great store.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 8:08pm

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if ye can read a motherboard manual and plug poo in and use a screwdriver correctly you can build a computer
... If you're a 'geek,' you can build a computer...
It's NOT that simple.
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 9:26pm

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TAP2 wrote:

... If you're a 'geek,' you can build a computer...
It's NOT that simple.
nah. you just have to not be scared of building one. like xbreaka said if someone can read and use a screwdriver they can build one. might be slow going the first time but once you know how to do it, it's cake. loading the OS is the most time consuming process of the whole build.

Dell throws in the free camera so you don't feel so bad about being ripped off.
Posted: Sat, 17th Jul 2004, 9:31am

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OK...

So we have John Doe, who has absolutely NO IDEA about building computers. You're telling me he can just go out and buy a motherboard and read the manual? The closest to that is a motherboard kit.

You need to make sure you have the right speed memory for your processor's FSB. You need to make sure you mobo supports advanced features of your CPU such as hyperthreading and high FSB speeds.
You need to know how everything connects (fair enough - this is covered in the manual) and you also need to know that computer components are static sensitive. Well anyway, I wouldn't reccomend building a PC unless you read a guide first.

Anyway, please don't continue the argument further because fxhomers are going to start getting annoyed. biggrin
Posted: Sat, 17th Jul 2004, 3:16pm

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TAP2 wrote:


Anyway, please don't continue the argument further because fxhomers are going to start getting annoyed. biggrin
Yes thank you! I was starting to get annoyed wink

but ya I am gonna recommend (again) an MGEPCOnline Computer or another pc builder/oem that can guarantee your pc. Don't build it yourself unless you are a computer person (or want to be a computer person), it serves you no purpose at all, and usually won't save you that much money. In all reality you might save $100...that's assuming you are buying from a company that isn't ripping you off (ahem.. Dell rips you off smile), and tech support aside, they are the ppl you need to talk to when something goes wrong, now you can shoot the shit with dell for hours before sending out your part (hopefully it's always a gamble with them) or you can get a friendly company like MGEPConline and in 10mins have your issue resolved, no bs. I say all this being a person who is an IT Specialist / Computer Enthusiast who builds his computers and servers (so deem me an idiot if ya want but them da facts bout me smile)

If you want to talk to them, dial the Toll-Free number on their site and ask for Misha (if you tell him "Matt from Allied" or "Matt from Rhode Island" sent you to him, he might help ya out on the price a lil). He can answer any of your question and put together a matching configuration to that dell machine.

--extra note--
Just because I have been asked a few times, I DO NOT HAVE ANY AFFILIATION WITH MGEPCONLINE other than being a continually satisfied and returning customer smile.
Posted: Sat, 17th Jul 2004, 4:51pm

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TAP2 wrote:


- If you screw up, there's no going back and there's no money back.
If you forget to instal memory without using antistatic wrist bands and you kill it, then you won't get a free replacement.
Not true. Most companies offer moneyback guarantees (especially the memory companies) in case of damaged parts, except if you decide to get discount parts from places like eBay or Yahoo! Auctions.

Of course, you SHOULD NOT BUILD A COMPUTER UNLESS YOU HAVE AT LEAST SOME KNOWLEDGE OF HARDWARE COMPONENTS AND YOU AT LEAST NO HOW TO. It's like Brintney Spears trying to give vocal lessons to people. Ok, okay, bad joke. cool

But anyways, on the other hand this doesn't mean you should never attempt to build one. Of course you will never have the experience to build one if you've never built one before so you should try one time. Maybe try with cheaper parts and put together a P3 system or something.

But surely, have someone else build this PC for you as I assume you will be spending loads of money getting it right the first time.

smile
Posted: Thu, 22nd Jul 2004, 8:06pm

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The thing about Dell is that they LAST. I have a PC, the very one I'm using to type this reply, that we've had for about the past 8 years, and it runs Windows 95, and is a P1. I (obviously) don't use it for video editing, I use it for things like msn, e-mail, Internet browsing, and typing up stuff. It works just fine. Sure, it's pathetically slow, unable to perform things like video editing, playing games, or viewing webcam, but it's still around. My Dad has used it almost every day for the past 8 years for his e-mail, Word documents, a bit of Web Browsing, Excell documents, and the odd simple Powerpoint presentation, and it still runs fine. Now THAT says something. It's the quality that matters.
Posted: Thu, 22nd Jul 2004, 8:08pm

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Every computer is different. Some Dells will last 10 years and some will last 10 days. Every batch has its lemons...
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jul 2004, 5:26am

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ringwraith554 wrote:

The thing about Dell is that they LAST. I have a PC, the very one I'm using to type this reply, that we've had for about the past 8 years, and it runs Windows 95, and is a P1. I (obviously) don't use it for video editing, I use it for things like msn, e-mail, Internet browsing, and typing up stuff. It works just fine. Sure, it's pathetically slow, unable to perform things like video editing, playing games, or viewing webcam, but it's still around. My Dad has used it almost every day for the past 8 years for his e-mail, Word documents, a bit of Web Browsing, Excell documents, and the odd simple Powerpoint presentation, and it still runs fine. Now THAT says something. It's the quality that matters.
my boss has one too, still runs great...ya I agree..that was when dell was GOOD! Dell no longer has that quality at ALL, they got rid of their quality control center YEARS ago because it was cheaper to jsut build the computers and ship them out and deal with the RMAs than it was to have it go through their quality control testing facility to optimize and prevent faulty shipments. Do not compare the dell of yesteryear to the crap it has evolved into today.
Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2004, 7:07pm

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Good point cutty my bad lol. Let's just say they USED to make good PC's. Although I have heard quite good reviews of the XPS in various magazines, such as PC World, but I haven't used it so I really can't vouch for it. .
Posted: Thu, 29th Jul 2004, 7:56am

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BORING. BORING. BORING.

The votes has been cast, and the vast majority think you should buy a Dell, and I have to say... I agree with them.

The only people that really disagree and say you should build your own or whatever are for the most part over-zealous overclocking freaks. Building your own pc is all good and dandy if you know what you're doing but you're not covered like you are when buying from Dell. My Dell kicks ass, and I've upgraded most parts of it.

Buying from another company is all good and fine. But I've found Dell to pretty much satisfy any need I've had. Go buy the Dell and quit reading this topic (if you haven't already).
Posted: Thu, 29th Jul 2004, 9:59am

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Joining the debate a bit late, but...

Everyone I know who's bought pre-made PCs have had endless trouble - Tiny, Dell, PC World, Hewlett Packard, Time, etc etc.

I had my PC built for me by a local independent PC shop, with parts that I took the time to research myself. I knew feck all about computers before, but actually looking at the web & specs, compatibilities etc has made me a bit more knowledgeable. And though it seems daunting, it is not hard. It's not for geeks & overclockers, either. I wanted to understand what makes a PC, & another thing is CONTROL. Knowing exactly what is in your PC & what software gives you control, so that if you have any problems you can isolate them swiftly.

So,

a pre-made PC by Dell or others gives you:
- everything supposedly configured & installed
- warranty
- premium rate phone numbers
- a flawed recovery backup system

a customised PC built for you to your specs gives you:
- knowledge about all the bits & bobs in your PC
- all the software on disks
- the operating system on a disk so you can do clean installs if things go wrong, rather than a 'system recovery' that does not help to isolate problems
- real upgradability. The casing will be a generic one that's easy to fit things in, rather than a company one that constrains what you add to it

If something goes wrong with your PC, & doing clean installs doesn't help, then problems are usually easy to solve yourself, cheaply & efficiently, instead of sending your PC inconveniently away for a week to a warehouse. Some people's computers have been sent back with more problems in more than one case. PC hardware problems are easy to resolve yourself if the problem isn't the motherboard. Graphics, USB, sound, floppy drives, CD drives, hard drives & fans are all easy to slot in & out if the need arises - just don't leave the power plugged in!

To conclude, my PC was built for me 3 years ago - 160gigs, 2.4ghz, 5.1 sound, 32mb graphics, realtime card etc. I have only had one hardware conflict, & this was the modem. I got another one for £4. I've had one hardware fault, the floppy drive. Got another one for £5. I've now upgraded the graphics myself to 128mb, added another hard drive, & added video in & out cards to the PC. No other problems that could be prevented (had trojans & viruses, but haven't we all). I was told by everyone who knew that I was "building" (in loosest sense) my own PC that I was committing technological suicide.

Just another perspective.
Posted: Thu, 29th Jul 2004, 11:03am

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Good post Mel.

I think the best way to really get to know what does what and why is to start off with something like I dell like I have, and then open it up. Research parts on the internet and upgrade as appropriate. It means you get to experiment but also be covered if anything should go horribly wrong.

Building a pc from scratch with little/no knowledge is not suicide so much as time consuming and occasionally hit and miss. My Dell works fine, not much in the case is origional anymore.
Posted: Sat, 31st Jul 2004, 6:40am

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If you can't build your own computer and decide not to get the XPS (which is awesome, by the way) then my friend Zac can build one for you.
www.zdpcs.com
Go there and pick what you want in your computer, then get a price quote and compare.