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Not Fair

Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 11:26am

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jnjosh

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This is my first attempt at making an actual movie with a story. So many times I tried and it ended up as a test or a trailer. Oh, and give me some constructive critisism, it won't hurt my feelings... smile

'Not Fair' is a short movie starring my kids that we created this summmer. It was written, directed, and pretty much everything else by me. It was just the 3 of us. I think the kids did extremely well in their first real acting role. If only Nick could not smile so much. I guess that is a good thing.

It was filmed at our home in North Carolina. For audio, I used a $50 Audio-Technica ATR55 shotgun mic, and edited with Adobe Premiere. Special Effects were created with After Effects and AlamDV. Lighting was created with a $40 home depot work light w/stand, a couple smaller work lights, and a chinese latern.


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Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 12:46pm

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Ok, im no Harry Knowles (www.aintitcool.com) but I really liked this movie and I'll tell you why:

Great cinematography
Nice angles
GREAT transitions
Kayla does an awesome job for such a young girl.
Good effects
Being a parent myself – great story

I have seen your other "Test" clips and I think we can all tell they are leading up to a good filmmaker.

I look forward to future projects from Kidventures.

Keep up the good work
Posted: Fri, 16th Jul 2004, 3:48pm

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i really enjoyed this film alot. very nice shots, and nice depth aswell. the acting was really good for little kids. and the fx's and compositing was clean and presice.
loved it, its a 5 in my book.
peace out
Posted: Sat, 17th Jul 2004, 12:26pm

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jeee...This movie was great.

What was good:

The Kids were excellent, Kayla is adorable.
Great camera work
great color grading
great story- I mus know, cause I have a mean older brother, and its just NOT FAIR !!!

It was really fun to watch. 5 from me biggrin

Cheers,
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Posted: Sat, 17th Jul 2004, 12:52pm

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The cinematography was really good, not to sure about the storyline and the subject matter, but over all shot very well.

Shoot a film like that, with a more engaging storyline and proper actors and you could be one of the most competent filmakers on this site.

A couple of questions:

1. How did you get such good depth of field on consumer cameras?

2. Did you use the in camera 16:9 mode or add the bars on after?
Posted: Sat, 17th Jul 2004, 3:09pm

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woah! That was good. Great job. I loved the cinematography.

Next time, as said before, get a proper story and actors, and im sure you're movies will be in the number 1 slot for weeks!

I give it a 4. It would be a 5, if the story was just a bit better. Hopefully next time though!

P.S. yeah, how did you get that insane depth of field?
Posted: Sat, 17th Jul 2004, 3:49pm

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Thanks for your comments. I would love to make something with more actors in it. I just don't seem to know anyone I can talk into doing it. The kids are into it so it makes it easy (sometimes).

As for 16:9, my camera doesn't have it, so I had to add the bars in premiere.

So you want to know how I did the depth of field? I am sure some of you have seen this:

http://www.pstechnik.de/datasheets/d_mini35.htm

That was a bit too much for me, so I hade to build one. I built my own as a 35mm SLR adapter to fit on to my camera. It was pretty easy actually, but it took some time, patience, some more patience, and a little money. Basically the theory is to project the image onto an image plane (or ground glass) just like an SLR camera does for the viewfinder. In this case, the MiniDV camera simply records the projected image. Only 2 small problems with it.

1. Everything is upside down so its harder to setup shots (especially with impatient kids) smile
2. It is hard to get the ground glass free of grain. (But running it through a soft filter or small blur takes care of that)

If anyone is interested here are a few links.

http://www.mediachance.com/dvdlab/dof/index2.htm (a rotating ground glass version. Good cause there is no grain)

http://ideaspora.net/aldu35/ (similar to mine, but not exactly)

I probably spent about $50 to $100 in making it and it does take patience. A lot of patience!


Anyway, again, Thanks for the comments!

Thanks,
Josh
Posted: Sun, 18th Jul 2004, 8:20pm

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I am always trying to be this nice guy when I say something about a movie... but this movie was not that great. It was really boring. (Don't hate me) But I think it's good that you're trying, and some day you would make a really good movie.
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 3:03am

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jnjosh

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Klut, I certainly don't hate anyone for thinking it was boring. It was my first, so I actually expected people not to like something... The only thing I am curious about, for educational purposes, is what didn't you like? Was it the story, or the editing, or the fact that it stars 2 kids, or something else? You know, something I can learn from and fix in future attempts.. smile

Thanks for any input.
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 3:22am

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very nice..what kind of camera did you use?...and does the 50-100 dollars you spent on that mini35 type thing include the cost for SLR peice or whatever.
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 4:24am

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Well, actually, I did harvest an SLR lens from an old camera... so it would be a bit more buying everything new... the lens would be an extra $100 or more...

Oh, and it was a Panasonic PV-GS70...
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 1:42pm

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Looked pretty good! I liked the cloning effect and some of the other special fx. You had great transitions, loved the one where the scene changes as the boy rides by on the bike.
The opening music was reminiscent of the 80's so that was so-so, the focus was off in some shots as well, may want to use manual focus next time. but overall it was pretty good,

i know how hard it is working with kids so....

i give ya a 4...
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 7:07pm

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seriously, i would definitly like to see some footage or still frames barely compressed in its original resolution. this has to be some of the best footage ive seen from a minidv camera period!....its like on par with or better than a 3500 dvx-100a im getting soon!...i would defintly want to have this little mini35 device on my dvx100 when i get it..could you please post some footage or stills? if you dont want to put it online or something you can email me them at streetsk8erdc@comcast.net or IM me on AIM ..my sn is streetsk8erdc ...if you dont want to send stuff than thats fine, i would just like to see some more uncompressed stuff from you and your camera..its really cool
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 7:32pm

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jnjosh

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If anyone else is curious here are some higher res images showing the depth of field and picture:





Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 9:24pm

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streetsk8erdc

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very nice thanks for posting them..i heard about the agus35 a while ago when he first invented this method..but i never thought about trying it because it seemed to complicated...and i thought it still had grain problems ...but what you have here looks really good..looks exactly like film..is that in 24p? did you convert it? or is it 60i? ....if its not 24p..if you converted to that ..it would probly look even more like film..but it looks great as it is
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 9:27pm

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It was shot 60i. I converted a pass to 24p, and it looked really good... My version is based off the aldu35, my ground glass is stationary. It did have a bit of grain, but that was no match for a small softening filter in after effects... smile
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 10:17pm

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streetsk8erdc

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cool...now im seriously thinking about buying a gl1 or vx2100..for about 1500 dollars less than the dvx..and making one of these things...it just looks so good..especially for being shot with a gs70...that footage rivals dvx footage..except resolution wise...but that defintly looks more like film
Posted: Tue, 20th Jul 2004, 5:35pm

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Well the blurry bits are a nice effect but the stuff in the foreground has also lost a lot of detail. Its ok to lose some of the sharpness in the focused objects cos it looks more like film but you need to keep that detail.
Posted: Wed, 21st Jul 2004, 9:33pm

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That was good stuff. I enjoyed all the fun effects in it.

It looked like the tv remote was actually the remote to Canon camcorder. Am I correct?
Posted: Wed, 21st Jul 2004, 10:36pm

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jnjosh

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Wow, you have an eye for detail. My daughter had lost her remote so I grabbed the first remote I saw... smile

Thanks!
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jul 2004, 10:28pm

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I somewhat liked it but i thought the editing could've been tighter.

Nice job in directing the kids - they did great. Not an easy task there.

Great work technically - and very nice transitions but your pacing suffered and made the movie too long/kinda boring.
Posted: Sat, 24th Jul 2004, 10:42am

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Great movie, but it wasn't really my kind of movies. Great work anyway with great camera angles and the quality of the movie was excellent.

Sorry. I wanted to rate this movie a 3, I clicked the 3 button and it even said "Are you sure you want to rate this movie 3?". When I clicked yes it became 1. Sorry.
Posted: Tue, 27th Jul 2004, 9:21pm

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I loved the transitions used in this video! It seems so simple, yet really add to the quality of the cinematogrophy. I can only imagine you used AE for the wipes and titling, but let me know. Great work. Tell the kids that they did an awesome job, too. At the rate you all are going, I wouldn't doubt you'd be great actors and filmakers if you wanted to apply yourselves fully to it.
Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2004, 9:50pm

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Very nice. You got great acting out of the kids!

ggbros
Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2004, 9:51pm

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extremesporter wrote:

Tell the kids that they did an awesome job, too.


I second that.
Posted: Wed, 22nd Jun 2005, 12:17pm

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Absolutly stunning. Excellent use of camera angles. The childrens' acting was very well done. This has to be the best film done with children I've seen on this website so far. Great job. What camera did you use? Because I'm getting a new one soon and I'd like one that got as good of picture as yours did.

Great job
-Jeremy-