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Twisted Studios now available on DVD!

Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 11:57am

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Twisted Studios have been with us since the beginning. As FXhome.com and AlamDV have developed, we've had the pleasure of watching Mechaforce and Sidewinder hone their skills with each of their movies, advancing from the fun frolicks of Fool Skool to the blockbuster extravaganza of DXM.

Check out the old Twisted Studios Spotlight for more info.

This fall, the Twisted boys are off to college. Sam 'Mechforce' Gorski is heading to Michigan and Niko 'Sidewinder' Pueringer to the University of Wisconsin-Madison, marking an end of an era for Twisted Studios. To celebrate several years of productivity they've put together a rather enticing DVD package, which we thought their fellow FXhomers might like to hear about.

The DVD is quite a collection:

• DXM and its "Making of".
• All of the Fool Skools.
• Pharmacide, the "Making of" and what was made of the aborted Pharmacide 2.
• A trailer for their current in-production movie, Red Sky And Concrete.
• Three unreleased films, which are generally free of special effects. Sidewinder assures us that they are 'quite awesome', though.
• All of the classics, like Metal Gear Redux, and The MATrix are for kids.
• All of the films in the Special Effects Testing series, where they generally endangered themselves by blowing things up.

They have also included an audio CD that is filled with songs written by Sam, ranging from power metal to electronic. A couple of samples are available for download:

Download Skull Hammer
Download Christmas Metal

There's a bunch more stuff too, but there's no fun in giving everything away!

You can check out the package and some menu screenshots to the right, and they have even thrown together a little DVD trailer, which you can download by clicking here.

If you want to get your hands on the Twisted Studios DVD, it's available for $14.99. Contact Sidewinder at nikopueringer@comcast.net for more info on payment.

Hopefully this won't be the last we see of Twisted Studios - they still have their current movie in post-production, and the team will be back together each summer. Who knows where we'll next see the TS logo - on the big screen, perhaps?

Best of luck to Sam and Niko from all of us at CSB-Digital!
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The package

A menu

Another menu

One more menu

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Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 12:48pm

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Awesome... Looks good. We'll miss you guys.
Maybe someday there will be a DXM2

Take it you got inspired by 'InFlames' with the music biggrin

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Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 1:02pm

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Got yourself a paypal account sidey/mecha?

I'll transfer the money right away if you have.

smile
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 2:08pm

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Heck ya! i am going to buy their DVD! you can count on me sidewinder and mechaforce. lol
peace out
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 4:09pm

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Tarn, the music links are backwards, pal. Might want to fix that... razz

-Adam twisted
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 4:12pm

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Well spotted. smile
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 6:59pm

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Very nice fellas. You got another buyer here! I was interested in how you did the DVD disc designs? They look very nice to say the least! Sad to see you go frown. Farewell, Twisted Studios.
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 8:21pm

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I shall buy, but they are leaving? Why, where? Darnit, please fill me in. I will buy it.

And a question, where can you print those CD labels? Not the covers, the disc itself. Thanks.
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 8:32pm

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can we have just the songs?
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 9:39pm

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Those are printable DVD's . . . You need a special kind of photo printer to do it. It prints what you want onto the DVD. It's pro.

Yes, you can have just songs.

Make sure tell us what country you're in so we can figure out the postage!
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 9:57pm

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Hey guys, thanks for the interest! Ssjaaron, I like the sig, but We still have more than a month to go before college, so it's not quite the end. smile


I've sent emails to those of you who expressed interest in a DVD, but I couldn't find email addresses in all of the profiles. Don't forget, it's easiest to email me directly, rather than tell me through the forums, but I'll respond to any requests on here.

Once again, my email address is nikopueringer@comcast.net

I've sent emails to:
Er-No
Ssjaaron
Serpent
Wiry


Feelthapain, I couldn't find an email address in your profile, so I'll need you to e-mail me.

Thanks again, you guys!
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I got goosebumps looking at the packaging. This is amazing, and will order it as soon as I can. Here's to you guys

*waser raises a glass with something in it*

Thanks for the memories guys.
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 10:23pm

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I'm saying what store, because Kinko's does not do it, it just does the cover, thanks for the e-mail though Mecha.
Posted: Mon, 19th Jul 2004, 10:25pm

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A store doesn't do it. Mecha has a special printer that prints on special printable DVDs.
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Oh, well maybe some print shop does.
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YOU GUYS ROCK.

congratulations.
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wow you guys a leaving! i cant believe this. Best of luck.
and please do keep posting here, if no regularly, but atleast on weekends.
I'll miss you guys cool
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Posted: Tue, 20th Jul 2004, 5:48am

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Oh, we'll still take time to post on here. I'm sure I'll find time for that. smile
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oh and if you leave can you gift me your "superuserness" ? biggrin











oh i guess not.....
Posted: Tue, 20th Jul 2004, 4:05pm

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$14.99 for that 'awesome sweetness'? well worth it.

Shopkeep, I'll take one!
Posted: Tue, 20th Jul 2004, 11:16pm

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I'll need your e-mail address, and it's as good as yours.
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i would just say thank you sidewinder and mechaforce, for all of your efforts in film making. you have inspiried probeblly all of us, in your films. you guys made me try harder in all of my movies. thank you for selling a dvd of your awsome videos, old and new videos,it makes no difference, because its done by twisted studios.
so thanks you for your inspiration, and your wilingness to put together a dvd of your videos.

this is ssjaaron, goodnight
Posted: Wed, 21st Jul 2004, 4:20am

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Stop preaching and just buy it! wink

Its not like they are never coming back again its just that we will see fewer films becuase they are going off to collage.

Sidey and Mecha I wish you the best of luck with your education. Have a good one.
Posted: Wed, 21st Jul 2004, 11:10am

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Does it ship anywere? I mean, like to Sweden? If it does, then youv'e got a costumer! biggrin
Posted: Wed, 21st Jul 2004, 2:24pm

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yeah, we mail it anywhere.
Posted: Wed, 21st Jul 2004, 7:00pm

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eh slick, i already bought it buddy. wink
so can it!
and i was just admiring them, becuase of all the cool things they do. after all this is a Topic about them.
peace out
Posted: Wed, 21st Jul 2004, 8:03pm

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Awesome! You guys never cease to amaze. Bravo on the DVD. Are credit cards a must to buy this? Probably, Dangit! How long will this be avalable? Do you have Paypal? smile

For those of you intersted in a DVD/CD printer: http://www.cdrecordingsoftware.com/cdprinters.html
Hope it helps.
smile
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Good luck in your future endeavors sidey and mecha!

I've been watching your movies for almost three years now!!!!
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jul 2004, 1:59am

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whats the printer you have called
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jul 2004, 2:35am

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I don't know. PM Mecha.
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come on, you guys knew i wanted a copy before you went official and would pay the $15 i suggested you sell it as and you haven't gotten back to me! ak! send me where to pay in paypal - i want one as soon as possible, dammit...and has mecha decided on the "other" thing? lol
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jul 2004, 5:26am

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Heh, I'll talk to you about that other "thing" when I catch you online sometime.

I never received an email, so I wasn't sure. Anyways, paypal request is now sent.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Jul 2004, 7:44pm

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Nice covers guys. I think maTRIX are for kids was the first fxhome (then alamdv.com) flick I saw when I came here last christmas smile

I even watched all of your films on here religiously for a while. That was wierd, but inspirational. I even bugged sidey almost every day when I found out about Pharmacide 2.

If my parents ever give my computer back, I'll be sure to order a copy right away.
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Oh, I totally just bought my copy. Can't come soon enough
EDIT: Just listened to some of Mecha's music.........This thing is well worth the $16. Christmas Metal is one of the best electronic songs i've heard in a long time. Want...to....use in.....movie
Posted: Sat, 24th Jul 2004, 9:55am

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UH... How could I have missed this thread the last days??? crazy

A DVD with TS films? Sounds like something I should buy for my collection...


Sorry to hear you're leaving off to college. Hopefully you'll find time to release some cool movies from time to time!

And now gimme that DVD! smile
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HAHAHA

It is official, Cantaclaro owns the first edition (first one hot off of the presses, individually numbered) of the Twisted Studios DVD!

Canta unsure
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IM SPEACHLUS

This is so crazy! I was just at film school and people where showing there work and I thought man I wish twisted studios had a DVD. I would love to get my hands on it as soon as I can. You have allot of stuff that was on your old site that’s on the DVD like that making of Pharmaside. You have inspired me ever since the beginning along with many others. Have you ever bought your movies to a film festable. Anyways Now I can the joy to all.

P.s. I love the art work too

EDIT - Ohh ya here is my e-mail..... beener_911@hotmail.com

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Posted: Sun, 25th Jul 2004, 5:50pm

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hey guys i'd be interested in purchasing, congradulations and wish you best of luck in college and your years to come

awooday@hotmail.com
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To everyone who bought a DVD:

The shipping will be delayed a week because Niko is gone for a week, and that means you can't get autographed ones! He'll be back this coming weekend!
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DAMN YOU, SALAZAR!!!!
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ohh ya and good luck in college, but im sher we will wee you soon....



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Waser wrote:

Haha... YES!
Posted: Tue, 27th Jul 2004, 11:18pm

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I might die if I don't get this DVD....

crazy I NEED IT!
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I'm running out every day to the mail box in hopes of getting my Twisted DVD. I feel like Calvin waiting for his beanie cap. Is sidewinder back yet?
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I paid for mine a while ago must have been a week already, wheres my dvd?
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MechaForce wrote:

To everyone who bought a DVD:

The shipping will be delayed a week because Niko is gone for a week, and that means you can't get autographed ones! He'll be back this coming weekend!
^^^^^^^

that's where
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Oh. twisted

Hurry it up and come back Sidey my dads starting to think I paid for a scam. smile
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Hey guys, some news on the DVDs:

Apple did us all a big favor by releasing a buggy upgrade to iDVD, preventing you from burning DVDs on a dual G4, or a G5.

So, after a couple of ruined DVDs, and five days of dead-end experiments, we have finally fixed the problem. We're borrowing someone else's laptop that has a DVD burner, and now we're finally getting these DVDs out there.

So, um, blame Apple for the delay. smile
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My life is now complete.

I just got it today, and I must say its amazing.
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stupid apple.
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I got mine too. Just realised that...

However, it is lacking DVDs. This must be changed.
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lol. minus one. silly apple fans. tricks are for kids.
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So are rattles. Go play with yours.
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lol. if i dis apple, everyone gets upset. but if someone disses microsoft, no one cares. lol.
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yahh well like i say "An Apple a day keeps Windows away"
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see. didn't rate it down. lil apple lovers. lol
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The apple vs pc debate is a neverending one, don't bother fuelling that age old fire we are all so very sick of. Please.

*sits and happily looks forwards to er-no's DVD arriving*
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yeah. i don't know what happened.

So, um, blame Apple for the delay.
so um. yeah. i did. k. back on topic.
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sidey and mecha - The booklet was fun to read, and red sky and concrete looks like you have put alot of work into it.

As for the rest of you (some of you), stop arguing about apple and microsoft this is twisted studios time to shine.
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hey...i have not got my copy yet, this sucks. and i was one of the first people to order one. mabey its becuase i live in utah.
peace out sad
........it better come tommarow, i paid my money....
(aaron picks up his shot gun and starts the clean it) twisted
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I as well ordered it a long time ago and I live in Utah, and I just got back from a five day trip hoping to find it in my house, but alas, no such luck. Well, MEH I say, when I get it, all the waiting will dissapear
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I got mine today, i loved it. my whole family watched and and we were lol. it was really funny and cool, thanks sidewinder,mechaforce for drawing all over my cover. lol, and autographing it.
peace out
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Woooo, just got my copy. From the looks of the package royal mail decided they wanted to watch it a well, cant blame them really smile The DVD looks great, really pro, cant wait to watch it later. Thanks guys
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No DVD yet.

I'll keep on waiting for the postman to deliver some Twisted love.
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got a package from Niko today, may be a bomb, but could also be the DVD.
Waser opens the package

I love you guys
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I'm so sad.
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is it too late to get one?
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Nope, but get it quick, Niko is about to go away.
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grrr.... gl1? or Twisted Studios DVD?... Sorry guys. lol. I'll see if I can get it.
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Dude, you already bid on a camera. smile
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You're acting like a Gl1 is the same price as the dvd...
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heh. no. but I need every penny for the gl1. so there you go.
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There we have it.
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I am seriously considering not buying anything (not even food) till I've saved up enough money so that this camera will not completely bankrupt me.
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Wow, that Pyramid Head costume was superb. It's a shame you guys never went through with that, because I'm a huge fan of the SH series, and that looked great. What was the huge knife made of?
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Got mine today.

It too, seems to have ben vandalised razz
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But the vandilizations are so awesome. You should post a picture.

Er-No, your DVD is getting sent out with the second batch, so you have a few more days to wait.


Edit: Oh, yeah. The giant knife was made out of cardboard, silver and red spray paint, and dirt. And a broom handle. And lots of duct tape.
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Did you guys ever actually film the whole movie, or is everything in the trailer all you filmed?

EDIT
By the way, here is my DVD


kind of a crappy picture, so if you can't read it, Mecha is barfing, while yelling BARF! and holding a sign that reads No Blood For Oil, and under mecha it says, "Sorry, we ran out of ideas to draw!"
No apology needed smile
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to the left is a dvd case i designed about two years ago for some design class in school.

great job on red sky...i love the score to the trailer. now THAT'S a great peice of film music. perfect. i listened to it on the cd a few times...it actually urged me to record some strings as well. btw, i like the acoustic sound of track 18.
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You know, I've been trying to submit the track names to the CD database, but I've gotten a server error the last few times I tried. I'll try again tomorrow.
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That reminds me, I'm a part of this youth radio program so I'll have a saturday night slot about once or twice a month, and I was wondering if it was cool with you guys if I played some of the songs off the CD on the radio, of course crediting you guys.
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Go ahead. Feel free to slip in the website address, or even an email one.
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Cool, great for you guys! Hope you made a little profit. How much did you spend on the DVDs and packaging? I'm thinking about offering my 'Atom' DVD to FXHome, but I don't know about supply cost. smile Too bad I can't buy it, no money. Not even $15. Sorry. unsure redface frown frown frown

Plus, my parents think it's a scam. (sorry bout that)
Not to be a moocher, but could you guys post the trailer for you're new stuff? (Please note: I can't buy the DVD, so don't put "buy the DVD") smile smile smile smile
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why don't you pay pal another user, and have them buy it for you, or would that be too complex, and appear too scammy
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Surely it doesn't appear scammy when it's appeared on a major website (that you've already bought a product from) as a news item, and lots of people have already received their DVDs and have been very pleased?

Although that doesn't help with the lack of funds issue. smile
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Heh. Thanks Tarn.

And sorry about the trailer, but that's a DVD exclusive, and I'm a man of my word.
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for one I am very pleased with my dvd, and i liked all the drawings that niko and sam did on thier picture. lol
well i suggest that everyone buy it.
peace out
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Okay, but our parents still think AlamDV is a scam, we only got it because my Dad was in a good mood after the hotel he designed opened. Thats also why we haven't been able ti get Chromanator lately.
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maybe you should make some maney, and give it to your parents, and say that you want to spend it on something?
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I've tried that. Made 200 bucks. Asked if they could get me Chromanator, the Twisted Studios DVD and keep the change. They still declined.
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Yay, I ordered it.
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Good for you.
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Is there a specific reason they think FXhome is a scam? Anything we could change/improve to make them more comfortable with our setup?
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how old are you atom?
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Still waiting for me copy but I cant. Make sense?









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Tarn, FXHome is fine as it is. Some people just have insecurities with buying things over the internet.

Sidewinder, check my profile. smile
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15.
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DING DING DING DING DING!!!!!!! You are correct, sir.
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I just got the DVD today and its pretty much one of the greatest dvds of all time. SWEET!






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"Lucky!!!"
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nice quote from napoleon dynamite, i still love the movie. ya the dvd was awsome, thanks agian.
peace out

"Lucky.................."
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I played some music from the CD on the radio last saturday, and it was a big hit. I had some people asking me who Sam Gorski was.
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what kind of people?
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The one who seemed the most into it was a chinese kid named Matt.
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What program did you guys use to make the Dvd menu
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We used all of these progs:

iDVD
3dsmax
After Effects
Garage Band
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What kind of air pump dealy did you use in one of the effects tests (I think it was the fifth)? I've seen one before, but I have no idea what they are really or where I could find one, but I would really like to buy one for a movie I am working on.
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bought it, love it, I noticed a lot more things in movies such as the wanted sign in DXM.
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Ok heres mine, I finally took a picture.

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ninja!
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I have an Epson R300 that prints on DVD's. The R200 is going for <$80 on the web now. It will print on the printable disks. The difference between the 200 and the 300 is that the 300 has reader slots for dig memory cards.
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Do you have pal dvds? I think I want this dvd smile
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I really want to buy a copy. Sam and Niko are two extremely talented guys. They deserve more creedit for what they do. biggrin
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I don't know, I' pretty sure they get exactly the amount of credit they deserve based on what they do.

What they do are weekly effects-test-vlogs/anime/party music/videogame/airsoft gun-2-minute-fights.

What they get is unlimited praise and viewership among the YouTube community as being visionary filmmakers, being some of the most-watched and most-subscribed users on the media site, and reaping ad revenue off it all.

They are the quintessential YouTube celebs these days, and that's the exact audience and response they get: YouTube. These used to be guys with great talent in narrative form and filmmaking force. Now they're 'star-in-your-own-100-second-effects-test-and-call-it-a-'movie'-ers. They're part of what is making today's filmmaking youth think the artform is about airsoft guns and VFX and not story or passion.

I'm not upset about it, or angry, but I certainly think they get exactly what they deserve. Times change, and so did they.
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Atom wrote:

They are the quintessential YouTube celebs these days, and that's the exact audience and response they get: YouTube. These used to be guys with great talent in narrative form and filmmaking force. Now they're 'star-in-your-own-100-second-effects-test-and-call-it-a-'movie'-ers. They're part of what is making today's filmmaking youth think the artform is about airsoft guns and VFX and not story or passion.
I'm pretty sure neither Sam or Niko pretend that their sketches are movies. Where are you getting that from? (other than your box of straw man arguments)

They know exactly what they're doing with their YouTube channel. It is exactly what it's meant to be. But I can guarantee you that's not all they're working on, just as I'm sure you haven't been only working on repeating the same 'get drunk' spoof concept for the last year.

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I've been lucky enough to spend a brief bit of time with Sam and Niko over the last year and I honestly can't think of two more inspiring filmmakers!

They are the best at what they do on YouTube - that is something absolutely amazing, especially considering how they are excellent at all the many different skills required to make their videos. Due to their huge popularity they have offers coming in from every angle. What is very rare is that they are able to plot their own path in the world of filmmaking because of their sheer amount of skill and their dedication to improve.

I think you'll see in the next year or so that Sam and Niko are not only the best at creating 100 second YouTube sketches but that they have some very big and significant ideas.

They were ground breaking here at FXhome as youngsters, they set the bar now on YouTube and in the future... well, I can't wait to see. smile
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I think you mistake my words for something of an insult- which I don't mean it as at all. I even believe I've spoken to you both, specifically, about this.

I'm merely saddened by the route YouTube has gone in regards to the 'higher quality' work on it. No doubt Niko and Sam are extremely talented people- I just wish I could see more from them than airsoft VFX work. Or, if this help- I wish I could also see less of that. Certainly the same could be said of myself and some of the work we've done recently, and their would be a fair argument there too, but with the frequency and exposure of their work- the once-a-week charade of minute-long content- I see them as stuck in the YouTube trap. Very similar to the reality tv trap.

It's not meant as any sort of jealous or incensed insult- I just think they get exactly what they are deserving of, and play into it. They used to be my biggest idols on here, now they are furthest from what I want to do. I guess I'm just sort of saddened by that.

And I don't think the best filmmakers I know on here or Hitfilm would disagree with me.
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Atom wrote:

No doubt Niko and Sam are extremely talented people- I just wish I could see more from them than airsoft VFX work.
You mean like this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this or this?

I don't find the 'airsoft action' YouTube genre particularly interesting either, but that's why I like Corridor's work in particular. It isn't just that, by any means.

I see them as stuck in the YouTube trap. Very similar to the reality tv trap.
What you see as a trap I see as an opportunity. Their online success has given them enormous cachet to negotiate projects. I understand that you're a traditionalist when it comes to filmmaking, and even respect that to a degree. You want to see people follow the well-trod industry path to success. That's a completely valid path. I do find it odd that you don't seem to want to acknowledge that there are other, more evolutionary paths now available to filmmakers.

Also take a look at freddiew. I'm sure you'd describe him as being 'stuck in the YouTube trap', and yet he just raised over $270,000 to produce a professional web series with an on-going narrative which is now in production. They'd only hoped to get about $75,000. That happened specifically because of the audience he's built up on YouTube, by making consistently entertaining videos on a regular basis.

Call that stuck in a trap if you like. smile

They used to be my biggest idols on here, now they are furthest from what I want to do.
That's fine, everyone takes different routes. But where you're describing them as being 'stuck in the YouTube trap', I don't think you can then deny that you're making a kind of veiled insult/judgement.

And I don't think the best filmmakers I know on here or Hitfilm would disagree with me.
I think the best filmmakers on here would love to have the kind of influence and audience and respect that the likes of Corridor and freddiew have. Why? Because it enables them, as filmmakers, to keep doing whatever it is they want to do.
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Literally everything you hotlinked I consider 'airsoft gun fights'. VFX-laden or inventive, sure- but ultimately they're all vacuuous, 1-2 minute 'test short' sort of stuff.

Obviously that reaction upsets you, judging by your response, but that's what I see. Same with freddiew, if not moreso. I don't consider them or that type of work filmmaking- which may sound prideful or snobby but, hey, that's the deal. Asian-inspired, VFX heavy, neon lights and dubstep, videogame-hybridized mini-videos aren't what I consider anything more than disposable entertainment- and I'm disheartened that people, even my younger brother, look to that as the current generation of filmmakers and narrative movies.

I find them played-out and contentless. And yes, I'm saddened that people don't follow the studio/industry path of the entertainment industry. There's still evolution to that way of thinking and working- look at me, I've got an agent and jobs because of my viral videos myself- but I also don't actively work towards more viral work despite people constantly telling us our audience would get bigger- because frankly I find viewcounts and subscribers/YouTube culture to be sad and anti-filmmaking almost all the time.

I find them the opposite of inspiring. I find them troubling. Don't think the best filmmakers on here would agree with me?

Gee, I don't know about that. Ask Sollthar. Or SwintonMaximillian. Or RodyPolis. Or Ben3308. The people I consider to be the most prominent and consistently-talented filmmakers on this site, the nominees consistently every year the FXhome awards have gone on- I've all spoken to and shared worries with about these exact people. There's a universal agreement there.

Does that sound meanspirited? Well hey, that's the consensus. I know you guys are still great friends with them and hope to capitalize on their success and viewership yourselves, so I can imagine how it might sound hyper-negative. But I think they're hugely overrated nowadays and going the wrong way in their filmmaking efforts. Maybe I'm wrong- that's my opinion, though. They're part of the YouTube game. I'm not. Max isn't. Sollthar isn't. They're real filmmakers.

The fact that freddie got so much money is cool, but it also worries me about the view/perspective of the generation on filmmaking and filmmakers. Maybe you can't or won't understand that, but I'm more than entitled to be a negative cynic towards people who are given such an otherwise vocal share of praise.

Haters gonna hate. Sorry I'm not sorry.
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To paraphrase something you've thrown at Sollthar over the years: it sounds to me like you just hate fun. smile

I completely understand people that don't want to go down the YouTube route. That's absolutely legitimate. But what I don't understand is disparaging people that do embrace YouTube, as if they're somehow lesser filmmakers.

The sketches made by the likes of freddie and Corridor certainly aren't 'films'. They're not attempting to be. They're comedy/action sketches. To criticise them for not being something they're not even trying to be is a bit strange. Regardless, if you can't see the actual filmmaking skill inherent in their production...well, I find that odd as well.

It seems a lot like the movie Vs TV snobbery that pervaded in the 80s and 90s. A lot of filmmakers and actors have now realised that TV is a legitimate format. YouTube/online is a brand new format, relatively speaking, and it's still early days. So a lot of people are snobby towards it - but give it time and it'll settle down into a very legitimate platform, I'm sure. But for that to happen you need people to take risks and embrace it in its gestating period.

As I say: I'm not saying that to be a legitimate filmmaker you have to embrace YouTube. But I am utterly disagreeing with you that those who do embrace YouTube somehow aren't filmmakers. Everyone takes their own path.
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I don't have any apathy for YouTube people, or even that they are doing the YouTube grind- and I certainly don't consider them to think that short comedy sketches/action VFX tests are 'filmmaking'.

What I am troubled by is the fact that the YouTube culture, that audience, and young filmmakers of a newer generation consider that to be filmmaking in the classical sense- and when people play into that, they do a disservice to the artform in my opinion.

It's certainly somewhat snobby, but I think a difference between YouTube and film is completely founded. More than TV and movies by a huge margin. And while I like hybridized entertainment and opportunities more than anyone- I'm also a film purist at my core, and have a passion for keeping the integrity of the medium. I love it dearly, and it pains me to see it as, what I consider, somewhat bastardized to a disposable, vacuous standard. Even if it is happening slowly.
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I wasn't going to get involved, as I thought this was dying out, but since it hasn't died yet, I'll throw in my 2 cents.

@Atom, what you are saying is like saying, "If you aren't performing magic on a stage, you aren't a magician." That's absurd of course because either way the magician is still practicing the art form, just in a different place, in this case youtube. People like sxephil, ShaneDawsonTV, Ksicsfaces, whatthebuck, etc are not filmmakers, but when you have people like Freddie W, or Sam and Niko who not only make videos but do it tastefully and with "style" it becomes apart of the art of filmmaking. They pay attention to cinematography, audio, grading, lighting, etc. just like you, they just produce small skits.

IMO the term filmmaking is broad. Very broad. Anyone who makes films are filmmakers. They make short films on a regular basis. They have a story, albeit an often times comical or just plain flat one, it is a story. It isn't the same as the traditional "special effects test" where people run around with guns or lightsabers and dink around. They are planned, (often times) scripted, and shot with care. Sounds like a film to me.